Hard to say who this car is for, the rich won't stand for the crap interior, the poor can't afford the gas bill....
@louiearmstrong4 жыл бұрын
@@Tomoyo0827 White collar man from the snowy midwest who makes $75k+, "only buys American," has a kid or two, and gets turned on by the word Hemi
@gearheadtechnology4 жыл бұрын
@@Tomoyo0827 poor people need to get a job
@nsbioy4 жыл бұрын
@@Tomoyo0827 this car is for the poor who think they are rich. Repo man's bread and butter.
@Tomoyo08274 жыл бұрын
@@nsbioy you nailed it
@aceofspades66674 жыл бұрын
SG is now apart of my 2020 quarantine streaming list.
@tankadams89264 жыл бұрын
I have a 2020 SRT and in Auto mode I average 16.5 mpg around town back and forth to drop the kids off. It’s about 50/50 city/hwy and includes sticking my foot in it once in a while. 300 mile road trips I’ve gotten as high as 21 mpg at 75mph one way and as low as 18mpg coming back. Overall, I’ve been pleased with the gas mileage considering how much fun I have with it. Great review of it. It’s every bit as fun as you say as a daily driver.
@deaf28194 жыл бұрын
Why not a trackhawk bud? Just curious.
@tankadams89264 жыл бұрын
David T Had to have the 3rd row.
@BrendanPJames4 жыл бұрын
That’s the same I get in my highlander hybrid
@thetechlibrarian Жыл бұрын
Honestly that’s not super terrible, I had a 2002 v6 accord and I used to get about 20mpg in the city and 24 if I was super light on the throttle.
@redhammer924 жыл бұрын
ahh yes carbon fiber in a giant SUV, gotta save that weight you know.
@doncataldo1674 жыл бұрын
You're really going to feel that 1.5 lbs difference when you're pushing this thing to it's limits on the track.
@SavagexRaccoon4 жыл бұрын
That’s like having an obese person shave all their hair off to save weight lol
@ArtVandelayOfficial4 жыл бұрын
Sawyer fat cyclist in lycra
@fhowland4 жыл бұрын
hahah
@redhammer924 жыл бұрын
@CJ Jacobs Of course and it's does look better than plastichrome all jokes aside. Just funny anything high cost MUST have carbon fiber even if it's kinda pointless and wasting the material.
@mikem22534 жыл бұрын
The giggling while doing 0-60 runs is the reason why you buy this. It also allows you to moonlight as family man.
@insayn79954 жыл бұрын
@@zacharyreynolds4303 true
@Justin_GFM3 жыл бұрын
This is the perfect car to pick up your dad and a few of his buddies from work to be some hooligans AND it's also the perfect car to fill up with family members for some Mother's Day outing. It looks great
@denisleblanc45064 жыл бұрын
Just watched a Tesla Model Y review and was really impressed. Then I watch this review and think to hell with Tesla. We sure live in interesting times.
@bwarren2284 жыл бұрын
Denis LeBlanc Apparantly our KZbin feeds are identical!
@VertigoGTI4 жыл бұрын
@@bwarren228 make that 3
@Elusive254 жыл бұрын
Tesla drivers think they are special
@Dowlphin4 жыл бұрын
If these things die out, it will be a concerted effort of two ideologies fighting each other, both driven by fear. If love dominated, we could have roaring zero-emission muscle cars that young people can afford new and don't have to kill themselves in on the road because there would always be a race track in range as there are stadiums and movie theaters.
@GotronFerret4 жыл бұрын
Great video guys! As a Durango SRT owner, I completely agreed on all points mentioned, both negatives and positives. For me, the positives far outweigh the negatives. In particular, given that these SRT's have become a steal on the used car market. Way undervalued for the driving enjoyment and practicality that you get with the excellent combination of muscle car, SUV, and value.
@harrykoyl37844 жыл бұрын
In total agreement! I actually want to take the wife shopping, hair salon, book club, cult rituals, etc... as long as I drive! SRT, baby!
@131freeskier4 жыл бұрын
couldnt agree more, I feel like that all srts are rare enough to be cool but still enough being produced to keep values second hand pretty reasonable. I just picked up a 15 Jeep srt with 25k miles
@ianholmquist84923 жыл бұрын
It is a dodge though. The only dodge that holds value is one with a big diesel engine. The rest of the vehicle means nothing. And even then, it's a dodge so I will never buy one.
@daytonasayswhat933310 ай бұрын
Not anymore. :(
@rkalla4 жыл бұрын
"80s action movie of 3-row SUVs" dude, that's a SPOT ON description.
@LlyleHunter4 жыл бұрын
Except that the term and in fact SUV didn’t arrive until the 1990s
@spydude384 жыл бұрын
"Get to da choppa!!!"
@liameisenberg97114 жыл бұрын
Mark has the corolla virus, rest in pistons
@mikezerker69254 жыл бұрын
The production quality of your videos is amazing! I’m not even in the market for a giant SUV, but still enjoy watching your videos for all the details you provide! 1:22 - OMG a Turbowski siting (sitting?)!! I thought he was deported!
@samuelorellana26034 жыл бұрын
He might've been. That's from an older video
@mikezerker69254 жыл бұрын
Samuel Orellana - yeah I heard that a Border agent saw him in one of Goose’s videos and they sent him packing back to Canada! Turbowski, that Crazy Canuk! 😂😂
@chipbabini4 жыл бұрын
sighting
@mikezerker69254 жыл бұрын
chipbabini thank you!
@tymac33064 жыл бұрын
I love these two, great chemistry, inside jokes galore and total and utter in your face honest brutality,...many of my coveted appreciations.
@robertmacdonald35514 жыл бұрын
MPG for test = 5?
@hyogomarume83454 жыл бұрын
Jack looking so much more comfortable doing the presentation solo. 👍
@petey81554 жыл бұрын
That's because he doesn't have Mark over his shoulder telling the camera "HE'S NOT VERY GOOD BUT GIVE HIM A BREAK HE'S NEW" I love you Mark but Jack was always great, he doesn't deserve that...
@agenericaccount39354 жыл бұрын
All for fast station wagons, even if they are a little tall.
@MrCarGuy4 жыл бұрын
Wagon: Something that doesn't flip 20 times when taken too fast around a corner. This: Nah.
@Trussme964 жыл бұрын
@@MrCarGuy If you have to worry about flipping a modern SUV cause you took the corner too fast, you shouldn't be driving at all.
@MrCarGuy4 жыл бұрын
@@Trussme96 "Modern" has nothing to do with it. Any vehicle at this performance level and having shortcomings related to gravity (putting it mildly here) shouldn't have the average licensed American driver behind the wheel.
@eddie2000ad4 жыл бұрын
Srt8 magnum 😁
@andoniades4 жыл бұрын
@@eddie2000ad u beat me to mentioning the mag!
@eppyz4 жыл бұрын
a $30k SUV with a $45k drive train 😎
@Justacogg4 жыл бұрын
Thank God FCA has the balls to still build vehicles the way God intended! Front engine wheel drive! Challenger, charger, 300 Durango, SRT jeep they’re all wonderful! Truth be told, I was a Ford guy my whole life. I still own a late model GT 350. My next car is quickly going to become a scat pack challenger as a daily driver when my magnum is retired.
@stuartshardsly31264 жыл бұрын
6:40 missed opportunity for a corona virus joke..
@savagegeese4 жыл бұрын
I had it before it was the end of the world.
@kjkj63624 жыл бұрын
I was germaphobic before it was popular
@nicholasspecialmusic4 жыл бұрын
Every joke about it has been told and overtold.
@jareknowak87124 жыл бұрын
It was recorded in 2017.
@bassandtrebleclef4 жыл бұрын
Exactly.... I didn't used to be OCD with cleaning, but I kinda am now.
@rileygifford15964 жыл бұрын
3:42 - Are we all just going to ignore the name of the song title playing in the top left corner? Nice touch, truly Savage.
@theworldisnotenough4 жыл бұрын
When I saw that I scrolled to the comments.
@Dowlphin4 жыл бұрын
LOL, and again Jack said "it's inoffensive" right after it. I just watched the Jeep review and there they showed 1-800-My-Car-Is-A-Turd on the infotainment and he used the same words.
@apocalypse4874 жыл бұрын
When Mark takes off his shirt, he also has to take off his sweater after. Just kidding. I was told that before.
@watchreport4 жыл бұрын
I wish reviewers would stop calling Alcantara “leather”. It is not leather or suede, but a polyester and polyurethane blend. It’s a high end microfiber, nothing more.
@r3354 жыл бұрын
Hey man. Know one cares. Ok?
@rollei35mm4 жыл бұрын
Now I know thanks
@jyusta14 жыл бұрын
He says "alcantara and leather", from the video it looks like the seat is made of both.
@rightwingsafetysquad98724 жыл бұрын
Alcantara is synthetic suede.
@quaidmciver1724 жыл бұрын
I think it’s pretty cool, and I’m not even a FCA fan. Poor man’s AMG it seems like.
@edman794 жыл бұрын
You'd better be rich with that gas bill.
@AbzAden4 жыл бұрын
Quaid McIver that’s one way of putting it but they both spend the same amount of time in the garage
@RobTheSeer4 жыл бұрын
Smart man's AMG. The money you'll save you can spend on gas, service, and tires. Unless you're buying a G63 then who cares.
@TheImperfectGuy4 жыл бұрын
It's even built on a 20 year old Mercedes!
@kettle_of_chris4 жыл бұрын
@@AbzAden I don't know I mean my Uncle has a GL650 AMG that's about 4 years old maybe 5. He's got between 80k & 90k on it and all he's done to it (or had to do to it) was the regular service. There was one thing repaired under warranty that did not prevent daily usage (can't remember what it was) anyway I've driven it a dozen times and I would definitely take the GL650 AMG over any S Class the same year. However would I buy one instead of a Cherokee Trackhawk or one of these Durangos? I think the Durango or the Jeep would be more fun so probably not. I say this as a Car guy and not an SUV/Truck guy.
@hmackprotection14 жыл бұрын
Thank You SRT for constantly giving us something cool
@jackholmes81054 жыл бұрын
T U in a world with so many bland cars I am forever thankful for their deeply flawed, deeply entertaining cars.
@hmackprotection14 жыл бұрын
jonny j Exactly! The fact that they are Unapologetically doing what you said, makes me Respect them even more.
@pontiacGXPfan4 жыл бұрын
Thanks SRT. You're actually pretty cool for a has been with no semblance of having a future
@hmackprotection14 жыл бұрын
pontiacGXPfan dude, you drive a damn Grand prix.. calm down little Fella
@pontiacGXPfan4 жыл бұрын
@@hmackprotection1 I rather have a Grand Prix than a shitty Chrysler that's going to be in the shop for 2 weeks out of every month for something broken
@huntercarter12734 жыл бұрын
The understated humor of this channel is outstanding.
@lc25574 жыл бұрын
How many blow up dolls fit back there though?
@Xmoto164 жыл бұрын
atleast 10...enjoy
@revolutionday14 жыл бұрын
Inflated, or......deflated?
@Xmoto164 жыл бұрын
@@revolutionday1 come on man inflated. ready for your private party.
@josiahthibodeaux4 жыл бұрын
@ Triplicity Damystery “exactly”!
@brendancarlson16784 жыл бұрын
Live, or dead ones?
@rkalla4 жыл бұрын
ROFL "it hasn't changed since 300 bc"
@kjkj63624 жыл бұрын
Dodge has one heck of a product placement team, they are the stars of Fast and The Furious franchise, and NBCs Chicago PD.
@ashcannotwatch4 жыл бұрын
@@zacharyreynolds4303 kinda the same story with my grandma, she had a 2008 Ford F150 with the 5.4. It didn't tow worth a crap and traded it in for a 2009 Dodge Ram with the 5.7 liter HEMI. And it does the job and she still has it.
@basithph89584 жыл бұрын
“Funnest three row SUV you can possibly buy” Damn right🔥
@shanet75114 жыл бұрын
Idk, the Mercedes GL63AMG and Tesla Model X are quite a bit faster
@stevenreichertart4 жыл бұрын
Love how you floor it every chance you get.
@diggleboy4 жыл бұрын
Guilty pleasure; if I can even write that about a Durango SRT. The affordable Mercedes AMG without the luxury trimmings and refinement. FCA took the best from Mercedes and made it SRT.
@MalteFS4 жыл бұрын
diggleboy and the worst from FCA
@lineoflads13884 жыл бұрын
Thus channel is definitely the best car review channel, no bs pandering, you guys are funny, the chemistry between you guys is also great!
@pontiacGXPfan4 жыл бұрын
What a Dodge Magnum would look like if it was forced to live life as an SUV
@AbeNXC Жыл бұрын
“Or your many Mrs because you drive an SRT product” … kinda feel attacked 🤣
@jakethesnake15034 жыл бұрын
My buddy rented one and we were both surprised on how enjoyable and comfortable it was for a Dodge
@Elusive254 жыл бұрын
For a Dodge? That's so racist 😆
@ianholmquist84923 жыл бұрын
Lol dodge is good at making cars that can melt tires. Other than that they suck
@triumphrider20024 жыл бұрын
I love the Durango. Every vehicle is loaded with plastic and making it soft to the touch doesn't make it any less plastic. The SRT package just adds to an already great vehicle.
@AJR11298 ай бұрын
in cylinder deactivation mode those 4 cylinders still displace 3.2 liters
@tomkab17034 жыл бұрын
wow. beside old school gems, this is my favorite video. The jokes, the banter, the 'meh', made it the most perfect entertainment experience out there. That combination of video production quality, the tsunami of information topped-off with that zing of fun.
@Hayden5354 жыл бұрын
Best video title ever.
@alishan88804 жыл бұрын
These guys admiring Hemi engines made me subscribe. Awesome
@flipfloplogic4 жыл бұрын
That's a handsome SUV. I can overlook the negatives if the positives are great. Yes its too expensive but most trucks and SUVs are too expensive. Omg that exhaust note in the cabin is sweet music.
@casamexico78384 жыл бұрын
I have a 2019 SRT and get between 15 mpg and 17 mpg most of the time. To get 10 mpg I would have to drive like a lunatic non stop. Perhaps when you drove the old one it had the older 5 speed gearbox, the 8 speed ZF makes a big difference.
@wesleyrice2138 Жыл бұрын
This is good info
@lordapophis57234 жыл бұрын
Man this guy is Savage when it comes to vehicle reviews.
@GUNMETALGUYUSA4 жыл бұрын
Watching this channel for a while. Production. Information. The professional, but comical, chemistry of the guys seals the deal for me.. keep it coming. P.S. lost it on the sly pt cruiser insert, BRILLIANCE. #savagegeese
@ScottE54 жыл бұрын
Listening to you two fools giggle while flinging this thing around backroads was much-needed therapy after watching tonight's news. Thank you.
@Elusive254 жыл бұрын
Go back in your cave.
@shekelwarlocke4 жыл бұрын
eating chef boyardee ravioli straight out of the can while watching this. the transitions make me feel like i am dining in an olive garden
@MarkRVillano4 жыл бұрын
What strikes me as being odd is the fact that FCA is able to knock the higher end trim packages on their RAM trucks out of the park, and do so at a similar price-point.
@nabatron214 жыл бұрын
The interior will he updated soon on the Durango
@TheHomeExpert54 жыл бұрын
$75,000? Looks like a $40,000 truck. Tops.
@Scypher0th4 жыл бұрын
you forget good sir! this is 2020! prices go UP UP UP and pay stay the same!!!!!!!
@kylekashner27864 жыл бұрын
U must drive a Mazda
@802Garage4 жыл бұрын
I love that consumers are considered so helpless, that the door card itself has to warn you "No open cups, closed containers only!" with a nice little emblem. 😂
@dragoonTT4 жыл бұрын
"Wait, I'm not supposed to put my open cup in a vertical holder? Maybe I shouldn't be driving a 4800 lbs missile down the highway."
@802Garage4 жыл бұрын
@@dragoonTT Just make sure you slam the door because the velocity will keep the liquid in the back of the cup. ;)
@jk134594 жыл бұрын
The best review I’ve seen thus far. I currently drive a 6.2L Raptor but I have twins on the way so I’m looking for a MANLY family vehicle and not a mini van, so SRT has my vote.
@Dcc3574 жыл бұрын
And an SRT will be far more reliable than those ST Fords with turbo motors.
@KlassicKraze4 жыл бұрын
The 10 year old interior design is kinda hanging in there lol
@MrCarGuy4 жыл бұрын
@@cn2673 Far from the truth...
@windanthonystream4 жыл бұрын
The interior is old but I found it very functional and easy to use without being distracted!
@raymonds74924 жыл бұрын
waiting for a pension like the gtr and aventador
@MM_454 жыл бұрын
Carson D not new stingray corvette
@johnnyn77534 жыл бұрын
More like the boys stole the keys for daddy's 3 row hot rod and went joy riding, than grown up review. Loved it!
@curtganeles9254 жыл бұрын
@6:39 - I LOLed so hard, I don't even have words. Oh, and top level review as always.
@thor2942 жыл бұрын
I recently traded my 16 2.3 explorer for an 18 R/T durango. The SRT price tag was just way too much due to the covid used car surge. Every time I re-watch these, I regret my decision but then I remember I get 18-22mpg in my R/T and only need 89 lol. Maybe in a few years when the market settles back down I will get a 21/22 SRT or even a hellcat
@aaronmajchen9824 жыл бұрын
NOOICE lo fi hip hop opening music. Waiting for the Savagegeese mixtape to drop.
@savagegeese4 жыл бұрын
I already did, its for sale at your local waffle house.
@S8ER3 ай бұрын
Still a great review years later.
@DonFather4 жыл бұрын
This SUV is very good at making you forget all about the cheap build. It's like an old Corvette in SUV form! I can see why you guys are having so much fun.
@AlainHubert4 жыл бұрын
One word comes to mind whenever I see any FCA product: crap. I'm surprised that the wipers didn't fail during the short sequence from 6:47 to 6:53 !
@hyacia4 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, the 2020 2011 Mercedes platform FCA plastic long wheelbase 3-row Jeep with a Dodge badge. This is the only channel that could get me to watch a video about a Durango.
@Crosyph4 жыл бұрын
The Grand Cherokee interior footage at the beginning had me rethinking if I'm watching GC review and not a Durango
@cfresh934 жыл бұрын
Just watched your original srt Durango review last night and loved it! Cant wait to watch this one
@CheessusRiced4 жыл бұрын
This interior will age about as well as the Daimler interiors of yore
@gadeane2874 жыл бұрын
It was great to see the grins on your faces when Jack put the hammer down.
@spydude384 жыл бұрын
Thats why you purchase the SRT Durango. That and the third row allow a family man to get his man card back legitimately.
@glennjonesii99772 жыл бұрын
❤ the intro 🎶!
@karolstopinski83504 жыл бұрын
The way you presented the car it seems that it's a Renault Clio V6 of the suv world. I love it :)
@takuan6504 жыл бұрын
Another great insight into American car culture.
@JCRFit4 жыл бұрын
Luv the bromance music in the beginning talking about the hemi
@BTC9094 жыл бұрын
When the miles rack up depending on your average temperature on where you live some will run into "cooling issues".
@ostreds4 жыл бұрын
@6:50...raining hard.....@6:53...beautiful sunny day. Weather changes fast in them parts.
@tominator234 жыл бұрын
We’ll see who will be able to afford one of these in a month or two. My guess, not so many. There will be crazy incentives though.
@mikehawk1202 жыл бұрын
Should have waited a few months to hit up the refresh.
@jsboening3 жыл бұрын
Glad they refreshed the dash for 2021
@VanguardX4 жыл бұрын
Can confirm, my 18 Jeep SRT gets 10 mpg combined and it will climb to 14 combined if im doing a lot of highway. Completely worth it.
@knowledgeman863 жыл бұрын
This is the most ignorant, obnoxious, ridiculous vehicle from dodge. However I'm glad they did it, thank you SRT for bringing out the inner kid in me.❤
@007galaxie4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the honest great review.
@sintoten30493 жыл бұрын
Now.. that’s a nice mood color
@robevans9164 жыл бұрын
Does this feel significantly different than the Jeep variant? And don’t all 500hp 5500lb SUVs get 10mpg when you’re actually using 500hp?
@GlennsCarCollection4 жыл бұрын
I had a blast driving one
@chronos45734 жыл бұрын
75K for an FCA product... Hell to the no!
@Subjohny4 жыл бұрын
Sounds like Jack is reading the script written by the Boss!💙
@chasegilmond56374 жыл бұрын
The third generation Durangos are the true successor to the first generation
@VaunShiz4 жыл бұрын
Had a rental Durango for 2 weeks only 10k in the clock and the interior trim was already destroyed the chrome was rubbing off and some of it was cracked straight through, it was a piece
@hamada1284 жыл бұрын
Most likely because it's a rental. I have a 2018 with 24k miles and the interior still looks like new.
@93DracoX4 жыл бұрын
Goodness, I know you guys try not to do heavily modded cars but I would let you drive mine any day. Problem is I’m in Miami 😂. If you ever get the chance to drive a 2014 mustang gt, id love to hear how good (or bad!) you feel it is.
@UnorthodoxMasterOfGames4 жыл бұрын
1:50 "My follicly challenged colleague..." HAHA
@DearMajesty4 жыл бұрын
So on the topic of fuel economy: I have to report that while driving around like a jerk, I've been getting better MPG in the BMW M235i than the Hyundai Sonata Eco. And I just did over a 100 miles with cruise control set to 90 mph pretty much the entire way (and a couple sprints above a 100) and returned an impressive near 25 MPG. That's kinda like not bad at all, right? Also, watching the oil and coolant temps, this thing is rock solid even when being pounded around for hours. There is no heat soak and the temperatures are dead consistent all the time. Only thing is that the exhaust gets hot as fuck and then starts ticking (annoying more than anything else)
@boywnderr4 жыл бұрын
As a eastern european where most of us like the 3 great german luxury brands, i'm starting to like these new american cars more, where is Turbowski?
@fabianherrmann63984 жыл бұрын
Going from the Honda Venue in your last video to this, and then put quiet piano music over it is just insane. I would buy it on the spot but in Germany you really will be broke driving this guzzler, not to mention not fitting very well on narrow urban streets. But man is it cool !
@hoppygoodness4 жыл бұрын
short, sweet, and funny...yes, the video and Mark
@THEFIRE3604 жыл бұрын
3:46 great choice of song in the infotainment screen "Fck this sht" lol
@TheBanjoShowOfficial4 жыл бұрын
1:46 i was genuinely waiting for him to say that they pulled that clock out of the 99¢ bin at the dollar store
@dualrealwheel72324 жыл бұрын
What's the name of the jazz song? So smooth and relaxing...
@LawrenceTimme4 жыл бұрын
What a beast of a machine
@naar71924 жыл бұрын
Great monster SUV.....Dodge all the way!!! Dot not be too critical......FCA is improving a lot.
@MrCarGuy4 жыл бұрын
The new Grand Cherokee and Durango seem to "just be around the corner" every year. But they don't come. I only hope they are improving them appropriately.
@igarrett1134 жыл бұрын
MrCarGuy20 There are spy shots of the new Grand Cherokee and updated Durango online check out mopar insiders website
@MrCarGuy4 жыл бұрын
@@igarrett113 Yes. I have seen them. This says nothing about their timeline. They can test anything and still delay it years.
@spydude384 жыл бұрын
Its because they keep selling at numbers that prevent them from making the change. 2021 the Durango SRT get a refreshed front fascia and interior. 2021 brings the Hellcat version and in 2023ish they move to a body on frame construction.
@cyrilmatthew29954 жыл бұрын
Geese, this car actually scored a very poor safety rating in the IIHS small overlap ..so does the cherokee .... Do u recommend this car from a safety perspective
@fhowland4 жыл бұрын
Looks like a really fun truck!
@Hazwaste634 жыл бұрын
Would also make a fine tow vehicle for a small to medium-sized camper. I'm towing a 26 footer with an RT, and would welcome the additional oomph of the 392.
@Natethegreat200c4 жыл бұрын
For the interior part , I’m sure by now everyone knows every interior he shitted on (people who have been in those very cars) know the interiors are good. The fiat starts at like 16-17k. What more do you want ?
@thefinerthingsag4 жыл бұрын
Nice job, Jack.
@illegalmachine4 жыл бұрын
Search any JGC SRT Facebook group. The 392 definitely has lifter issues.
@jackholmes81054 жыл бұрын
illegalmachine interesting, I wonder why their track cars aren’t reporting failures. Must be due to the cylinder deactivation.
@spydude384 жыл бұрын
In the Durango SRTs? Or in the Chargers and Challengers? Or all of them?
@expsterm14 жыл бұрын
Mark has come down with the coronavirus the way he coughed and sneezed.
@DaxXx9884 жыл бұрын
@7:00 Audi sq7 is arguably a more fun 3-row SUV (yes diesel is weird, and not as loud as this, but it's quicker than a Cayman lol)