2020 Hyundai Kona Electric 0-80% DC Fast Charge Test

[@mikeg7845]

Tom, you produce some of the most relevant EV videos out there. Your 70 mph range test and EV charging tests are pure gold for someone shopping EVs. Thank you!

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

Thanks for the kind words, Mike!

[@pinkelephants1421]

Always love your reviews Tom. Your professional approach of trying to stick to the objective rather than the subjective is what makes your content so accessable. 👍👌

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

Thank you!

[@kjh789az]

Thanks, Tom. 26 dollars for 80 per cent is not going to encourage people to adopt EVs.

[@alfontana6242]

With gas here at $2.60 / gallon thats 10 gallons of gas even 30 MPG with a garden variety Toyota Corolla would be 300 miles. With our 2020 Highlander Hybrid AWD t@ 40+ mpg that would give me over 400 miles. I don't see the bargain using that charging station....

[@wombatdk]

That, and the bigger issue being the whole charging process itself. 1) Charging is too damn slow. If you have to use public chargers (I do) because you can't charge at home or work, it's a major hassle. With gas, you fill up in 5 mins. EVs... even a Tesla, not so much. And Tesla is the only car maker that got charging right to begin with. 2) Public chargers are insanely unreliable. It happens too often that I pull into a charger and it doesn't work. Once a month at least. Sure, I can usually switch to another charger at the same place, but again - when was the last time you had a malfunctioning gas pump? 3) Completely fractured charging systems. Some you need an app for. Others you can use a credit/debit card - if the reader works. Some require a RFID card. Some charge by minute, some charge by kWh. It's a bloody mess. 4) By far most chargers have no roof or anything. If you have to charge in bad weather, that's a whole lot of misery right there. Even worse when it's snowing and you end up with a pile of snow on the charge port. With the Kona in particular, Hyundai fucked it up beyond belief. There is NO weather stripping around the charge port door. Which means in winter it can easily freeze shut. I added weather stripping to mine, which solved the issue. Why, Hyundai, WHY?

[@nc3826]

EVs are most charged at home.....so that was just FUD (from you know what fanbase)......since Hyundai/Kia still have the most efficient EVs on the market...

[@OvenBak3d360]

It is so much cheaper to charge a Tesla and faster. It annoys me that Tesla is such an anti-consumer company they treat the people that purchase their vehicles like shit. Also being from Michigan I am almost 200 miles away from the nearest Tesla service station. A Kia or Hyundai or even a Chevy for that matter I can bring it down to have its yearly service done 10 minutes from my house. And if I wanted to do some of the simple work at home like just changing the brakes or something like that I can go down and get the parts easily from any basic auto parts store.

[@godnessy]

@@wombatdk I charge at home every evening, I dont have a special charger - just plug it into a normal wall plug. I even set the time i want the charging to start to avoid high tariff time when electricity is most expensive and my monthly "gas" bill for the car is around $13 - using the car every day to deliver the kids, go to work, shopping etc.

[@flolou8496]

This video is so important now, if your anything like me and noticing now that used Kona's for the 2019 year are selling under 20K routinely now, and your comparing the pros and con's of this model year VS the used 2022 Chevy Bolts, which unfortunately still have only 55KW capacity,

[@peterwright837]

Here’s a real world charging cost data point from a trip I did from Northern to Southern California and back over Memorial Day weekend. The trip was about 330 miles each way in a 2020 Chevy Bolt. On the way down I did 2 stops for a combined total of 45.2 kWh for $11.00. On the way back I only needed 37 kWh for $9.64. I used a combination of Electrify America and ChargePoint charging stations and am a monthly pass subscriber on Electrify America which means the price per kWh is $0.18.

[@anthonyc8499]

Electrify America is providing interesting clues to the timing of their pricing change. * Kona/Niro Select Plans only good for 2020 * Pricing will switch to per kWh (where legal) " Mustang Mach-E buyers get 250 kWh free when the car comes out at the end of 2020.

[@JohnRoss1]

Electrify Canada has the same pricing structure but there is no deal for the Hyundai /Kia 's. They don't have many sites operating. They'd be the last choice for me. I gave them feedback and they actually called me to talk. It's up to the manufacturer to make a deal. Why not just reprogram the car's bms handshake to charge below 75 kW ... If EC or EA won't budge on the price.

[@nc3826]

Nice to know Hyundai/Kia still have the most efficient EVs on the market...

[@RealHIFIHelp]

My nissan leaf 40kw uses about 50 minutes from 0-80% using the max capacity of 50kw fast recharging station. Once I did it in only 40 minutes. 80-100% takes about another 50 minutes. The Tesla charged faster and has a bigger battery. That is the only thing I miss in my car. But I still don't want to pay double the price to only get that and some new features. I would rather have the most stable EV which is the old/boring Leaf from 2018.

[@dalekaechler4872]

Hi I really enjoy your videos. The 2023 Kona ev is advertised as having a 415 klm range. When I do a full 100 change I Kona says I should get 500+ klm range. Don’t understand this. My home charger is grizzl-e installed by a good electrician on dedicated 60 amp circuit breaker.

[@Steil-o]

That screen changing all the time really bothers me. Would've been better to record the Screen inside the Kona to see the chargingspeed

[@abbaby555]

I'd it just me or is electrify America really price gouging? How does it compare to Tesla's supercharger pricing for the M3?

[@zumezoom9593]

So I couldn't plug into a DC fast charger at 350?

[@be236]

Yeah, EA chargers are one of the most expensive of them all... as for Hyundai Ioniq 38.5kWh, Tesla Bjorn did a charging test on it and says it did worse than the 28kWh older model...

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

Yep. I did the same. Video coming next week

[@be236]

@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Great.. now if only you can get your hands on Kia Niro EV to do the same range/charging test, that would be awesome to compare with Kona Electric, knowing they will be similar, so the winner would get bragging rights...

[@danielroden9424]

wait...3.50 for 6800 watts is ... like 34 miles of range. thats about the same as the price of gas. 70 cents for the 150kwh push is ...2x that? ouch! charge at home!

[@kaptenyes4788]

thank you for this video

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

My pleasure!

[@mikeg7845]

I noticed the insane amount of level 2 chargers you have at home. Do you have any that you would recommend with a charge rate of at least 6kWh? Not looking for fancy, just a simple weather safe unit. I have a Clipper Creek 3.8kWh unit that works great for my Volt, but I am planning on getting a Bolt and would like to take advantage of its faster charge rate. My current unit has been mounted to a fence post 5 years and performs flawlessly regardless of the weather. I am looking at the AmazingE FAST Level 2, 32 Amp EV Charging station on Clipper Creek site, but wanted to know if there was a better value proposition in the market. Looking to stay at or below $500, without compromising safety. Any thoughts? Also, do you sell any of the units you have acquired?

[@Joesolo13]

Very informative, thank you

[@NoCampiRush]

Hey Tom. What do you recommend for at home charging I have nema 14-30 plug in the garage already ?

[@aifresnofresno]

How long does it take to add 200 miles of range in this Kona while DC fast charging?

[@mblakeborough]

Wow thats expensive. Yes cheaper but still wow.

[@andyswarbrick9991]

Since the latest battery update changes the charge curve, has this car had the battery update applied?

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

Don't know. Hyundai hasn't officially explained what they've done with the update and when all the cars get it.

[@wombatdk]

My 2019 Kona has it, and it extends the higher-current charging for me, thus speeding up charging a little. It drops the speed later. Like, it now stays at 25kWh until ~84% whereas previously I think it dropped to 15kWh at ~76%, give or take. On the other hand, it far more agressively drops down past 90%. From 90% to 100% now takes me about 45 minutes I think. Edited: Corrected the numbers... I should not post comments when I am not at home. :)

[@puuhapete6425]

Electricity seems to be a bit expencive in USA

[@justinjones6810]

In the public charging network yes in most states the rate is a lot cheaper to charge at home

[@RobbieFitzgerald]

$26 for 80% is still cheaper than most ICE vehicles, I would think.

[@cameronduke639]

I was curious so i did the math. 80% battery is 206 miles 206 miles at $26 dollars is 12.6 cents a mile National fuel average is $2.17 At $2.17 a gallon at 12.6 cents a mile that's only 17.5 miles a gallon. Pretty horrible. My RAV4 hybrid gets between 40 and 50 mpg.

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

So as I noted in the video, the true cost should have been $18.20, not $26. I only paid that because I didn't sign up with Electrify America as Kona owners would. That lowers the real cost per mile to 8.8 cents per mile. Plus, most people only pay DC fast charge rates on the rare occasion when they are driving long distances. When I charge the Ioniq at home, which is about 95% of the time I drive an EV, I pay 2.9 cents per mile. That's less expensive than your RAV4 even if it gets 50mpg. It's also important to note that the RAV4 hybrid is rated at 38 miles per gallon, so you must be a very efficient driver. If you drove an Ioniq, that efficient driving style would also allow you to go further in that vehicle also, so the cost per mile would be about 20% lower than we quoted here.

[@cameronduke639]

@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney I completely agree with that. I actually was looking at the Kona before the RAV4 which is why KZbin recommend that video. Charging at home pretty much can't be beat by ICE. Its also worth noting I have an early deposit on a Rivian RT1 and can't be more excited for when they come out.

[@josephcarroll6356]

28 dollars to get 240 miles? Prius cost of gas is less than half that and it only takes a minute or 2 to fill up, oh and you get over 600 miles of range. Electric is cool around town but not going across the country.

[@backwoodsbungalow9674]

Disappointing result. It did meet the claimed charging time but 52 minutes is a long wait, so I could not recommend that to an elderly neighbor or busy friend. 😞 Did the iMiev charge to 80% in about 20 minutes? 🤔 The battery pack has increased and hence the distance you can travel after charging to 80%, but the C rate at the cell level seems low compared to the 2009 cell technology in the iMiev battery. 😱 How long did the small battery in your BMW i3 take to charge to 80%? For the mainstream motorist a car needs both the range of the Hyundai 64kWh battery and a charging time of about 20 minutes to close to 80%. Affordable BEVs still seem to be a long way off that target. Hence the Tesla stretch still seems a good option.

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

No EV currently charges to 80% in 20 minutes. The Taycan is the fastest to 80% and can do it in 23 minutes. I agree it should be faster, but I believe if it had 100 kW charging that would be fine. It would then likely charge to 80% in about 35 minutes.

[@wombatdk]

Despite claims to the contrary, battery technology is still pathetic. You can either charge fast and degrade the battery faster, or slow and bang your head against the wall waiting for the damned charge to complete. Yeah, there's plenty of claims that we'll have 5-minute charging with no battery degradation "soon". I've heard that bullshit for the last 10 years at least, if not longer.

[@Joesolo13]

@@wombatdk It's hardly "pathetic", it's a fundamentally different tech than the gasoline people are insistent it must emulate. Charging as fast as fueling up would be nice, but if someone actually takes trips over 300 miles regularly, they should probably stick to a PHEV like the ioniq. 20-30 minutes charge to 80% would cover the vast majority of use cases, it's just a matter of making a stop for a meal halfway through your trip.

[@wombatdk]

@@Joesolo13 Battery tech _is_ pathetic. Charge speed is idiotically slow. Batteries get damaged by discharging too low - unlike an ICE which you can run to empty as often as you like. Batteries get damaged by frequently charging too fast or regularly charging to 100%. They get damaged by sitting around unused or sitting in extreme cold. All that is utterly pathetic.

[@huss1205]

In terms of overall costs, ICE cars still way cheaper in terms of long term ownership...

[@robinjacobsson250]

Hell No. Its the other way around.

[@huss1205]

@@robinjacobsson250 I did my calculations carefully...

[@randeep312]

Depends on what car you compare the ev with and how much you drive in a given day. That is where the difference is. Its not guaranteed saving with any ev especially if you compare it to a basic ice 4 cylinder and you don't drive much.

[@yangmagic0703]

Eh. Are you sure? Lol. Oil change + gas is way more. Btw this car full charge is $7.5 Canadian Dollars here

[@youwhatsuptube]

Wow... that is slow af.. the more i do ev buy research, i only see tesla as only feasible option right now due to charging even though it is expensive

[@jamesrockhill548]

My brother has a 2021 Model Y and I have a 2021 Kona EV Ultimate. The average time between us charging is 20 minutes. That’s not to bad

[@milads4070]

@@jamesrockhill548 how do you like your car three years later

[@peterwright837]

Here’s a real world charging cost data point from a trip I did from Northern to Southern California and back over Memorial Day weekend. The trip was about 330 miles each way in a 2020 Chevy Bolt. On the way down I did 2 stops for a combined total of 45.2 kWh for $11.00. On the way back I only needed 37 kWh for $9.64. I used a combination of Electrify America and ChargePoint charging stations and am a monthly pass subscriber on Electrify America which means the price per minute is $0.18.