Ford's Power Promise: A Free 80-Amp Charger And Installation For All New EV Customers

[@ronwinn879]

Agreed. Good job Ford. Glad to see everyone changing to same charging cord as well.

[@nihongobenkyoshimasu3190]

I totally agree with your introduction comment: Most of my friends or my relative basically, said to me that they don't want an electric vehicle because (first) they don't have no enough range... and (second) they don't have a plug at home. If I told then, well what about if you get the plug installed at your home for free, would you consider getting an EV? In general then they start to be a little bit more interested !!!

[@appleiphone69]

100% spot on. No free public charging other than 250 kWh to get people acclimated.

[@JohnnyChronic18]

Love your channel man. We are moving in the right direction albeit too slow but better than no movement!

[@kboccuzzi7407]

Well said Tom. From your lips to OEM ears. Did my research before ordering the car. Had my home charger installed before I got the car. Can’t imagine going back to an ICE vehicle. Like others, my main concern is with road trips. When I have to get in a line for a charger, I have flash backs to the gas crisis. This situation can’t get better fast enough. Getting more people to rely primarily on home chargers will definitely help.

[@alangoldstein3350]

Absolutely correct Tom. Emphasizing home charging should be the 1st pillar in gaining successful EV sales. Unfortunately, public charging, emphasized by so many, is really a 3rd pillar. What is missing is a strong emphasis on workplace charging for those who cannot charge at home (ie apartments, condos). Charging of several hours should take place at home, overnight, if possible. But those for whom this can't work should be able to charge at their workplace. High-speed, public charging is essential for longer trips, but a poor and inconvenient solution for regular charging.

[@hallkbrdz]

This should help move inventory. Good idea Ford.

[@JohnCap523]

Designed to have Mach-E buyers look past all the flaws in that car.

[@axion8788]

@@JohnCap523 And this hasn't been happening for 100 years with ICE vechicles?

[@JohnCap523]

@@axion8788 Excellent application of whataboutism…

[@PeaceChanel]

Thank You Everybody for All that you are doing for our Planet Earth.... Peace.. Shalom.. Salam.. Namaste 🙏🏻 😊 ✌ ☮ ❤

[@krkope8277]

Great thorough overview. I had not expected the Ford offer to be so complete. They even have something for those of us who have already installed a EVSE. Good job Ford.

[@scottdvorak5606]

Tom is absolutely correct in his assessment here. I survived on a 15 amp 110 home charger for my first 2.5 years of ownership. It wasn’t ideal but it was doable for my 26 mile daily commute. I upgraded to 20 amp 210 circuit for the second year. It doesn’t sound like a big improvement. But it made the difference so that I didn’t have to hit a public charger for the 2 to 3 coldest weeks of the year. I now have a 60 amp 210 circuit. It’s awesome. My point is, you don’t necessary need to have a 60 or 80 amp charging situation. Most people could have an excellent experience with a much lower amp connection. So, even if your home doesn’t have 60 amps to spare on your main electric panel, don’t let that stop you. Even a 30 amp 220 would provide an excellent home charging experience for the average owner.

[@a-_-s]

240v 30a is a little slow for my 2022 F-150 Lightning ER (19hrs or so), but the 240v @ 40a I have currently is fine - 14hrs or so for a full charge. That said, 80 amps for that 8hr full charge would be seriously useful for the occasions I need to drive to a client 300 miles away. But yeah, 30 amps *at least* would be great especially if you actually *can* get a charger at your home.

[@lucristianx]

I did 110v and did 240v. You need 240v.

[@lunatik9696]

@@a-_-s Watts = Volts X current. 110V x 15A = 1550W 220V x 20A = 4400W The voltage doubles + a 33% increase in current. 4400/1550 ~= 2.8 times power.

[@scottdvorak5606]

@@lucristianx No question which one is better. But I just went back and checked. I was actually using the 110v 15 amp for 2.5 years. So, under some circumstances. I.E. a 26 mile round trip daily commute, it's NOT necessary. Useful and very desirable? Yes. Necessary? No. I would say this, if the EV is your ONLY car, or you drive more that that on a daily basis, then yes. 240v might be necessary.

[@lucristianx]

@ it’s absolutely necessary. At least in a home because that’s how you get your savings.

[@taxman121]

Thanks Tom! The information you have provided helped me make the transition to an EV. Just purchased a 2024 Lightning Flash. I have already had Qmerit come out and get me ready for home charging. Home charging is the best!

[@rtkracht]

Tom, I’m a standard range Lightning owner that regularly charges at home and love my EV. I took a quick trip from Houston to Baton Rouge over the weekend and found that there were no vehicles charging at 3 of the 4 stations I stopped at. Seems from my recent observations there is slow uptake of EV technology in some areas of the country…and if you can charge at Tesla facilities range anxiety is a thing of the past. I think this is a great time to jump into EV ownership with this new Ford incentive.

[@ShadLife]

The best feature of my EV is the simple fact I can charge at home on my level 2 charger. It is way better than ever having to go to a gas station.

[@AaronPaluzzi]

Bought my Kia EV6 with no charging equipment. A few months before I helped my neighbor install a L2 charger in his garage for his Ford Fusion Energi. So I borrowed his unused L1 charger for 5 months until I could install my own L2 charger. It took 3 days to charge, but I charged enough nightly that I could drive daily. Then if I was low after a lot of driving I'd use my "free DC charging". Now I only use the EA stations when I'm road tripping. Tom's joking about doing part of the job yourself, but I DIY'ed my install and it went great. Passed inspection. Get a electrical book and research how to do a 240v install. Find out what's needed. Even if you don't want to touch the wire digging a trench and installing pipe properly for your garage saves you a ton of money and is not going to expose you to electricity. Heck you could pull the proper wire and just run it to your panel leaving it next to the panel and hire an electrician to do the final install. Do all the wiring in the garage yourself or just pull the wire loose to the garage.

[@axion8788]

Tom tells it like it is. In 16,000 miles I have had to use public charging only twice. Otherwise, when fuel is low I just plug in when I get home and get going when I get up. ICE cars replaced the horse. EVs will replace ICE vehicles in the exact same manner.

[@johnnyv9024]

True. We have charged publicly a few times on road trips, but in general it always happens at home. Even on the road, the hotels had cheap lvl 2 charging (comparatively)

[@FordEnthusiast413]

Short of a mandate (and hopefully that never happens because not only is it unconstitutional it is also anti-american)an EV will never replace a gas powered vehicle! Oh and by the way I wish everyone still called them gas cars instead of ICE vehicles!

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

​@FordEnthusiast413 you'll most likely be driving one in less than 15 years, and without a mandate. You'll simply realize it's a better option for you at some point. That's obviously not the case today, but it will happen. 🙂

[@FordEnthusiast413]

@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Tom let me clarify. I was simply responding to the comment that EVs will completely replace gas powered cars. I do not believe they will ever disappear completely. Having said that I do believe EVs are a good option. In fact I have test driven a couple of them in the last couple of weeks. A Mach-E and an Ioniq 5. I was very happy to hear that Ford is going to provide a charger for the home and cover the installation charges for it as well. Other manufacturers need to do the same. By the way I do think you are doing an excellent job educating everyone about EVs. I have learned so much watching your channel as well as others i.e. Kyle Conner’s Out of Spec network of channels. Your F150 race with him and his dad was very entertaining! I would like to test drive a Lightning as well one day. I am hoping the stop sale on the ID.4 will end soon as I find that car interesting as well. Keep up the good work sir!

[@ericeinar]

@@FordEnthusiast413have you actually drove or owned an EV grandpa.

[@dominicsantiago6506]

I never really looked at it that way. When we first got our Ev's we immediately installed a home charger and we love it. We only charge when we are on a long road trips. I will say that is nice when you are on a long trip and it is free.

[@blownb310]

My favorite episodes are the ones like this, that explain in detail why free charging plans are such a bad idea. Thank you Tom!

[@Na808Koa]

I can't agree with you more Tom, once I had my home EVSE the anxiety of charging from public locations disappeared. They always seem so much in demand as we only have four Level 2 within a few miles away at locations were I can spend my time doing other errands such as grocery shopping or to have a meal out with the family while my nearest DC fast charger (50kW) is a little bit over 7 miles away.

[@KaiPonte]

Good video! I see home charging as the "game changer" for EV adoption. The only issue is that many places only have on-street parking. That will have to be solved before mass adoption. I have had my Mach-e for two years, 36,000 miles, and still only have a level 1 charger at home.

[@ElJefedelSaborTexidor]

Yes, this is great but one year late for me. Ford did give me the charger for free when I purchased my Ford Lightning; however, I had to pay for installation. For me, the cost was $1.5K. Just as Tom outlines, charging at home is absolutely great. Only do public charging when I travel more than 125 miles (on way).

[@johnpoldo8817]

Kudos to Ford for launching this program. By allowing up to 80 ft distance from breaker panel, it eliminates installation cost issues. Subscribers to the Ford program can’t say Qumerit is too expensive.

[@MikeHongisto]

This video is spot on. Exactly what every manufacturer needs to do. Thanks Tom!

[@joebullwinkle5099]

Power to you Tom for haranguing the non Tesla manufacturers to get off their backsides and get involved with assisting customers to setup their home charging situation. They should be doing the same with increasing DC fast charging as well! It’s great that Ford have the foresight to include their 80Amp connector. Now we just need the manufacturers to have 100Amp on board chargers on their larger battery capacity >100kWh vehicles, including Tesla

[@kevinmreams]

I thankfully had a 240 line ran to my garage in my new house. I had to spend about $100 on a good 14-50 outlet, and a 50amp GFCI breaker for that box, and then I spent $250 on a TopDon charger that seems to be working well so far. Through El Paso Electric, I get rates of 6/10 of a cent, so it costs me less than a dollar to fully charge our Kia Niro EV. We ALSO have the free Electrify America charging. We have only used it once on a 350 mile trip we took, but we are also glad we have the service if we need it.

[@DM-zq8qy]

$0.006 per Kwh? Or $0.06 per Kwh? At 6¢ per Kwh a 50 Kwh charge would only cost $3 and would carry my Bolt 230 miles.

[@kevinmreams]

@@DM-zq8qy nope, not a type, $0.006 on super off peak times.

[@kevinmreams]

@@DM-zq8qy I have to correct myself, I checked my bill, and it's $0.00764 per kwh for super off peak time, between midnight and 8am. And $0.058 for peak time on my EV meter for day time. I schedule my car to charge at midnight though, and it's full by the morning. My wife is really bad about plugging it in while I'm deployed though, so I have to turn off the scheduled charging so she can charge it in the middle of the day, so we paid $9.59 last month on our EV line.

[@47Wetter]

Great video, Tom and while this is a year late for my Ford Lightning, thank you Ford for taking this step. I think another step to minimize long wait lines at DC fast chargers would be for charging networks to increase kW rates after vehicles SoC reaches 80%. 😊

[@jamessimpson354]

Millions of people who currently own, or want to own, an electric vehicle live in multi-unit homes with a shared parking structure where personal chargers are not an option. We need charging solutions for Multi-unit housing in urban areas if we are going to solve the problem of congestion at public charging in urban locations.

[@mobobo218]

Easy. Gasoline engine

[@Jeff-cd2lz]

Love your channel! I’ve owned my Lightning for about a month now, and getting a charger at home has taken too long and has been a very painful process. If I would have known they (Ford) were going to offer this, I would have waited. Ford and other manufacturers need to do better! Their customers are spending big dollars on these electric vehicles. Qmerit /one of their network electricians is installing my charger, paid for out of my pocket. I bought the ChargePoint Hardwire charger. I’m just pissed that I can’t get my charger installed for free and I just bought my 2024 Lightning. Ford should have been doing this all along. So disappointing.

[@kevinkrause8946]

This is so spot on! I'll provide another reason. Charging from home is so much better for the grid from an infrastructure/cost standpoint. The cost/kWh for fast charging is way higher than home charging, unless you make it free. Please don't make it free.

[@samatwesu]

Another factor is the sticker shock after the free charging ends. DC fast charging is expensive versus gas. On a Bolt EUV getting 300 miles on a full charge at 42 cents a kilowatt hour (EA) versus NJ gas $2.75 a gallon. The Bolt EUV is getting is 28 mpg while averaging 4.6 miles per kilowatt hour. During coldest winter days same route I see 2.6 miles per Kilowatt hour with heat set to 80 making efficiency of my 142 mile daily round trip commute 16 mpg.

[@Bmeri3]

As Tom explains, not only is home charging much more convenient, it’s much much cheaper than public charging.

[@James-wz5qo]

This should be a no brainer for homeowners since it can be a nice perk to selling your home in the future, especially to prospective owners who are already EV owners.

[@davidmccarthy6061]

Yep, no longer have the Bolt but the EVSE is right there for the next buyer.

[@Godfather9814]

I rent a home with my folks and they were like “well the landlord might not like it!” And I told them for one a landlord can’t tell you what cars you can drive, and that having the house setup to be able to have a EV charging port is a plus for the future too

[@bigbertha8]

The amount of research I've done on home chargers and installation would never have happened if this program existed. This is such a smart, anxiety relieving idea.

[@yhk1977]

Well said Tom about charging at home experience vs DC fast charging 👍🏼

[@docallah]

Love the sound of this Ford Power Promise Program. I got the Ford Charge Station Pro with my 23 XLT Lightning ER, but limited it to 40A installation for now. House is only 100A service. BTW: Charging my 23 VW ID4 on the Ford Charger as well. Still have another 1.5 years unlimited 30 minute charge sessions at EA. 16:44

[@nihongobenkyoshimasu3190]

I like the idea of car manufactures and car dealers talking directly to Qmerit or something similar. Because when you contact your local electrician to get an EV plug, you often get an astronomical estimate cost. In fact, in many forums, people recommend to ask to an electrician to install a plug for a dryer instead than for an EV !!!

[@sirenbrian]

Great job Tom, you said the right things to the right people.

[@daneflanigan]

Charged at the Electrify America, Burbank, Walmart last week… a nightmare! I feel for people that have apartments/ condos that are unable to have home charging. It’s not the same experience.

[@LJLion]

I have a 30A circuit that runs two of my variable amperage EVSes via a splitter. I'm able to charge my Lightning at 16A and my wife's Etron at 10A. We charge both vehicles at home overnight. It's so convenient and meets the need of our daily commute. That's the way to go to save lots of money.

[@daves1646]

Props to Ford. As you said, Ford has been taking the lead on a lot of customer supports, esp around charging (1st @ Tesla’s doorstep, FREE J3400->CCS1 adapter, now home charging installed). Hope they see the pull through for their efforts!

[@chris1436]

Here's the problem with a Qmerit installation. Nothing qualifies as a "standard installation", according to the electrician that takes the job. They always want to double dip - get the money from the Manufacturer, and get some extra from the customer. We live in Southeast PA. My friend got a Chevy Bolt with free standard installation. He has a super straight forward 50 foot run from his panel to garage. First "non-standard" job was due to a drop ceiling. So we removed all the tiles and he called Qmerit to get another electrician. Second "non-standard" job was due to an existing unused breaker in the spot where the breaker would go for the charger. He explained that detail but it was not an "unused" spot in the panel. So we removed the breaker, put a cover in the empty spot, and he called for another electrician. The last electrician communicated with him once, and them ghosted him. I believe it was because they could not find any justification for a finding of a non-standard installation. He gave up and got the EvGO credit from Chevy. He still does not have 240v charging at home.

[@charliesullivan4304]

You can invite this first electricians back, and you can also contact Qmerit to complain.

[@GenevieveRohan]

I just bought my fully electric Mustang Mach-E on Monday. I love the car and look forward to being able to setup a home charger, so I don't take up space at the public charging stations. My new car has lots of power, a HUGE screen which easily allows me to see my map and lots of advanced features to keep me safe.

[@Captain_Aubie]

GM & Qmerit instslled my 50 amp breaker and level 2 charger totally free earlier this year for my new 2023 Bolt EUV. Fully charged from empty in 6-8 hours at 11kwh. Maybe once per week in Georgia for 17 cents/kwh or $10. No brainier, car was $22.5K new otd after rebates.

[@Goni983]

Definitely a great point, still waiting on ford to bring out an affordable 300+ mile car but maybe with this incentive they might be worth a second look

[@AdamJakowenko]

Great video, agree 100%. I have a 2021 Mach-E and a very old home charger (2014 Bosch 30 amp) so this would actually make me consider getting another Mach-E and be able to upgrade my home charging setup. And who doesn't love teenage labor 😆

[@battyhouse]

We have had companies who would not install a charger on our property due to the existing wire installation. It’s fully up to date and certified. It will be interesting to read the small print on this bold sales pitch from Ford.

[@midnight4109]

I was living in an apartment without a garage. Every week I would go charge my Tesla. Now I have a garage once again where I was charging level 1 which was adequate for the Tesla. When I bought the Lyriq, the dealership wired my garage for level 2 which works with the portable charger that came with the car. Now that I have the Tesla adapter, I wired it up for charging with the Tesla wall unit but the Lyriq doesn't want to accept charge, only idle once the car has finished charging, so I am back to using the portable GM charger. Just thought I would share my EV experience. At least I no longer need to spend the time and money to go out and charge publicly.

[@dgnokids]

Excellent initiative. I believe there is one more step to take when influencing these manufacturers. Since so many are starting to use Tesla fast charging the variety of locations of the charge port can cause issues at Tesla superchargers. Taking up 2 or more charging spaces happens so the cable can reach the charge port. Any manufacturer that strikes a deal with Tesla should relocate the charge port for all future production to the left rear corner of the car. This way they can back in and only use 1 space and not block adjacent chargers. Tesla should require it.

[@guyg2005]

Everybody has to love Jim Farley. Class act.

[@WatermelonJellyBean]

Great move by Ford for first time EV owners. Hopefully all the Ford dealerships with EVs will champion the new program. I drive a 2012 Model S that has unlimited Supercharging. I'll opportunity charge at times, but I'm mindful of available spaces and wouldn't charge at a crowded site. Driving a green Model S catches folks eyes, so I often have ICE owners stop and ask about the car and charging. I'll ask if they have Duke Energy (which serves a vast portion of NC) because of their EV Charger Prep Credit program. Last month I made a quick pit stop at the Sheetz in Goldsboro that hosts eight NACS Superchargers and charged while I went in (only EV there). When I came out someone charging an older Model 3 rental asked about my ownership experience because he was considering an ICE Audi or a Model 3 Performance. I asked him if he owned his home and if he was a Duke Energy customer. He had no clue about their program, which provides up to a $1117 bill credit toward the EV charger install costs and any electrical home upgrades tied to the install. After talking with me was scheduling a test drive via the Tesla app.

[@JR-mc1rn]

This is a great program. However, Automakers should offer superchargers at each and every one of their dealers 24 x 7. Not saying it should be free.. If I am on a long road trip, I then know I WILL be able to find a place to charge…

[@Kimandy6862]

Thank you Ford. I’m tired of pulling into an EA station and having to wait an hour for the VWs and Polestars to finish charging to 100%.

[@FlightDoc]

This is great. I thought Qmerit too expensive so installed myself

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

Hope you used torque wrenches😬

[@FlightDoc]

@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Yes sir, full proper outdoor install per current NEC code, 60A breaker, 6 gauge hardwire, conduit, proper torques, etc., inspected, and local county permit.

[@ryanlcooper]

Man that is a LOT of power. I've gotten by with 700 watts for my Kona EV with an extension cord strung out the window, I don't drive much but even if I did 16 amps on a 240v circuit would be more than enough.

[@johnpoldo8817]

700 watts is extremely low charging for an EV. 16 amps at 240 volts delivers 3840 watts which a respectable amount of charging power .

[@keegan854]

The Kona EV will go much further on 1 kWh than the F-150 Lightning

[@johnpoldo8817]

@@keegan854 Yes, I rented one last week and it was pretty good. I would never buy one because it failed to charge at 48 amps on my home charger. I had to lower power to 60% Niro setting for slow 6 kW charging. Was my Niro defective?

[@johnpoldo8817]

@@keegan854 Yes, it’s more efficient. BUT, the Lightning can carry more tons of materials than Niro.

[@keegan854]

@@johnpoldo8817 Obviously. They are completely different vehicles for different purposes. I was not trying to argue that the Kona or Niro is "better" in some general sense, just that you're much more likely to need faster AC charging with the big truck.

[@bryanhaen6750]

Ford lightning here I come!

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

You'll be happy with it!

[@No_Mormon_No_Cry]

Fantastic news!! Great to see Ford taking this step

[@gregpochet4812]

Change is difficult for people. So many people ask me "Where do you charge? Is there a charger near your house?" I always say "10 feet from my garage door. I charge in my garage". And they just look at me like I just said some complex math formula. Or people saying "I can't own an EV. There is not a charger near me"...

[@davidmccarthy6061]

Because it is true for at least 60% of potential owners, and that is why the EV transition in America will 15 years. Twice that long in some areas.

[@ThatTimeTheThingHappened]

This would genuinely make me recommend fordEV to people

[@jakecease]

This seems like a pretty good program. What would be better is if their vehicles were actually affordable though, they are just too expensive for the average person. If they would have stayed near the original price for the lightning pro I would already be driving one. Instead I still have my old pickup truck and a used model s for commuting.

[@boybabyboy29]

I totally agree with you 100% I always change my Tesla model S at home even though it’s free at the charging station and I have to pay for it at home

[@StevenScott12153]

This is an amazing value I will definitely bring this up for anyone asking about EV's in the near future

[@im4udevco]

Thank you very much for this advice Tom and hope OEMs like Hyundai and Kia will follow suit. I’ve given up on EA when it comes to charging and maybe this will help them regain customers.

[@sandshark5584]

I think this is huge to take away the headache of arranging charging installation for customers. Buy the car, Ford fixes the rest.

[@robertgamble7497]

Ford giving high (very high ) powered chargers with installation is great, but most people don’t need more than a 7 kw charger. In 2011 I purchased a Chevy Volt, and had a level 2 30 amp EVSE. When I upgraded to my 2018 Tesla model 3 I thought “I’m going to need to upgrade to a 60 amp circuit. I continued using my 30 amp EVSE, and learned I don’t need more than that. There needs to be a way to teach people to only charge what they need for each day, or better yet for the trip they will be going on. I realize it’s different with a Tesla, because the car will tell you where to charge, and how long to charge (usually 15 to 20 minutes) to reach your destination, or next charger to continue the trip. And when in a trip needing a charge, with SuperChargering, you know the charger will work 95+% of the time. Thank you for all the work you do, and I always enjoy your KZbin shows.

[@andrewt9204]

Yep, I installed a 60 amp circuit when I got my model 3 thinking it was sooo important. It was not. I have the car set to charge at 22-24A and that recharges my 120mi commute in like 6 hours. 30A circuits are perfect for cars/CUVs, and 50A for trucks & large SUVs. Now the Hummer EV? Yeah, it's so inefficient, you'll probably want that 60+ Amp circuit if you're commuting over 100mi/day. If you're driving more than 200 miles a day, probably best to make sure there's a good DCFC around you or along your normal route. I always make sure I get home with ~15-20% in case I really need to go somewhere right away I can stop at a supercharger along the way.

[@mrdsn189]

Fabulous news! Thank you, Tom!

[@ThomasRSmith-og7zo]

Can I get one if I purchased my Lightning about a month ago ?

[@frankcoffey]

You should charge at home. One reason is you use up some on the charge getting back home, just like gas. An EV should charge where it parks overnight when possible.

[@pauld6967]

Bonus points if it can charge both overnight at home AND at the office. Even if the office is just 120 volt Level One.

[@robertrobertson5120]

Great news Tom... and Ford!

[@TONYLING-l5t]

its great that Ford considered folks who already have an EVSE.......now if only they would consider helping those purchasing a used Ford EV :)

[@richardcooke1160]

This development is a game changer, I recently purchased a 2023 lightning last August. I received a free 80 amp home charger, only to realize that my current 200 amp electric panel was at its maximum capacity and I was not able to safely add an additional 80 amp breaker. The additional cost to upgrade my electric service to a 400 amp panel was nearly $5,000 dollars. I wish that Ford would reimburse me for this cost. Crazy expensive and truly made the entire purchase/experience stressful/untenable. My thoughts

[@vesuvius007]

The gm program was a pretty big selling point for me when I bought my Bolt. Good idea. Accentuate the strengths of EVs and get people charging at home.

[@Smidge204]

Honestly the differential cost from 60A to 100A is going to be pretty cheap, so assuming your home service is adequate for it that's going to be worth the price just for future-proofing.

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

Exactly

[@billybobbob3003]

@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney you sound entitled and out of touch ''just plug it in at home'' lol the problem is most people dont even live in a home bro they live in condos and apartments so you are screwing these people over with your home ownership entitlement.

[@ab-tf5fl]

Statistically, most of the U.S. population lives in single family home (~70-80% according to Google). People in apartments and condos definitely matter, but they are not the majority of all people.

[@billybobbob3003]

@@ab-tf5fl yes i was exaggerating, but you are almost discounting a quarter of americans man

[@pstoneking3418]

​@billybobbob3003 At least for the time being, people that can't charge at home probably shouldn't be purchasing an EV. I wouldn't have purchased my lightning if I had to depend on public chargers.

[@TaxmanHog]

Good point about future proofing with the 100 amp (80 amp charging) setup.

[@gregkramer5588]

Great deal, thanks Tom

[@AdolfoFoliaco]

Great content, I was wondering if you reviewed the FPL (Florida Power and Light) FPL Evolution, they give you the charge for, installation and you pay a monthly fee of 31USD, the question that I have if the charge that they give you is good, I already have that program, but I'm not sure if they have a cap, I'm trying to replace my second car with another EV and wondering is this will work for both car

[@pstoneking3418]

I've just started charging with my 32 amp charger using my solar system. I can't use the entire days worth of sun, but with a little over 13 kw of solar panels, I get around 65 kwh of solar power on a sunny day.

[@tombudetti5502]

The dealership added a ChargePoint Homeflex when I purchased my EV6 in February of 2022. I was on my own to hire and pay for an electrician to install it.

[@geminiecricket4798]

In the near future new homes will come with ev car chargers installed in the garage.

[@photosbykehinde]

It's already in play. Some builders in the Charlotte are are offering EV charging in your spec out just like ethernet and prewiring for home theaters.

[@TechnicalLee]

Some of us have been pushing for an EV charging circuit in the garage to become part of the electrical code. So it will be required in every new home. 40A minimum. On the books in a few jurisdictions, but there’s a lot of resistance from the builders due to extra costs.

[@michaelballdrums]

@@photosbykehinde Same in the Seattle area.

[@FordEnthusiast413]

Only if you pay extra for it

[@danimal107]

@@photosbykehinde A 110 outlet is all the average person needs. 30 mile per day avg,do the math. Another factor is less battery degradation at lower charging rates.

[@johnpoldo8817]

Notice on Tom’s wall of chargers that the Ford 80 amp model is at least 4 times larger than all others. 6X bigger than the small ones. It’s a monster !

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

It is unnecessarily large. But most people have plenty of room for it, so that's not really an issue.

[@Visualhead_Spacer]

i havent charged at public DC charging in over a year, its super rare unless I have to. Having solar, makes it pretty much FREE.

[@Wised1000]

A.very good incentive indeed abd high amperage to boot.

[@robsquared2]

I have an Ioniq 6 and bought it without even knowing about the free charging. I still use it because I like saving money in any way possible. But you bet I'd take the $2000 discount (or an installation, i already have a wallbox pulsar plus I put in for my old prius prime, I was way way future proofing).

[@brittgayle467]

Doesn’t Hyundai already offer a home charger installation discount? The type of charger Ford is offering is unique, as is the credit option.

[@robsquared2]

@@brittgayle467 They're partnered with chargepoint but I didn't even bother looking into it since I already had one.

[@fritzpaul2740]

Are the chargers ⚡️going to have a NACS connector 🤔

[@jackschabel9906]

Tom, a very interesting point about free public DC charging. Ford's newest charing offers should help congestion at public charging stations, at least for those with garages. But let's not forget home charging is not free. Hopefully, your local utility has an off-peak rate.

[@mariabrewer6763]

Very informative thank you

[@derrickconine9601]

I got a $633.00 quote from Qmerit. Charger less than 80 feet from panel and in the same building.

[@nicholasjacksonsr.253]

Amazing videos. I’m definitely gaining more knowledge so I can weigh my decision on a potential ev purchase.

[@FameyFamous]

I bought my Bolt last year and the qmerit estimate for installing 240 volts in my townhouse was too expensive. I wish they could have given me a cash rebate after I cancelled the home install. Their alternative was a $500 EVgo credit. This $500 credit is better than unlimited public charging. I’m incentivized to charge level 1 at home most of the time. I only use the public charging when I need it.

[@MichaelDuphorne]

Tom, thanks for all you do to advocate for the common man. Quick question: Instead of installing a single 60 amp output device (EVSE), can you get two 30 amp outlets installed? For example could I get two 14-30 NEMA or two 10-30 NEMA outlets installed right next to each other so that there is no longer wire run, but then I would have the ability to charge two cars simultaneously?

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

I don't know the answer to that. I suspect you would have to discuss it with the Qmerit Installer that Ford assigns to your job. I suspect not, though, because I don't think Ford want customers using plug-in equipment for daily charging, due to the high failure rate of the outlets.

[@barryw9473]

50 amp (40 amp, 9.6 kW) is plenty for most. 60 is great. This is an amazing offer.

[@JeffKubel]

Ford's Power Promise is a great incentive but it sucks it's through Qmerit. I know they are a sponsor of the channel, but they will bend you over when it comes to any added costs (longer runs, bigger wire, trenching). You will likely pay out of pocket as much as (or more than) a local electricain would have charged you for the entire job without Ford's contribution. I agree with you about disincentivising fast charging. People are just replicating the gas experience (which sucks), never really understanding the true benefit of an electric car (always waking up to a car that has fueled itself overnight). The $2000 alternate incentive, on the other hand, sounds nice. Stacked with A/Z plan, the Tesla Conquest offer, retail cash, 'low interest' cash, and the tax credit- Lightning comes in cheaper than the gas version.

[@gregpochet4812]

Tom, you say Ford/Qmeritt will cover the install 100%(if in the same structure, no digging is needed) etc.. I will believe it when I start seeing it. As you know, with the Chevy Bolt, they had a similar program, but stated "Basic install" was covered. As you know, there were a many stories about how Qmerit installers started not labeling it a "basic" install. Lets hope Ford does better.

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

It's a different program with different rules. This program doesn't have the same "basic installation" guideline. Perhaps Ford took notice of some GM customer complaints and tightened up the installation rules.

[@gregpochet4812]

@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney That would be wise of Ford to do.

[@michaelt.9372]

They tout the bidirectional charging on this FCSP, but what it takes to do the bidirectional is way more in depth.

[@JohnZolla-bp7tl]

I just bought a Hyundai Ioniq 5 and they didn't even tell me that it had free charging. I found out myself on the Electrify America website. I signed up, but I only drive about 100 miles a month so I'm good with level 1.😎

[@MartysRandomStuff]

I've had my I5 since February and still have not used a public charger. Had my charger installed at home for almost a year before buying the car since I thought I was going to get something else but that never happened. The salesman at the Hyundai dealership got me signed up for the free EA charging but the closest EA charger to me is in Philly about half an hour away. No way I'm going up there to get some free electricity, I tracked my usage for the first thousand miles and the total came to less than $50 added to my electric bill. I have a feeling they count on most people not using the free EA charging much, so it sounds like a great incentive but averages out to costing them less than giving everyone cash.

[@JohnZolla-bp7tl]

I think free charging from Hyundai will end with the 2025 models. I seldom road trip so EA is really more of insurance that I probably don't need. But it's free.....

[@Andrew5347d]

One downside to this offer is that you can charge only one EV at a time. Two years ago, I had a Tesla on order, and my wife wanted a Chevy Bolt. GM paid for the installation of a 50 amp circuit and NEMA 14-50 outlet in the garage. I got a NeoCharge smart splitter, and we plug in both cars with mobile connectors. The splitter will charge the Bolt as priority, then my Tesla. 50 amps is plenty to top off the cars overnight. If we both plugged in at a low state of charge, I don't think both cars could get fully charged during off-peak hours, but since our driving is mostly in-town, that hasn't yet happened.

[@sundownstudios502]

Will this offset any rebates they offer at the time of sale? I ordered my Mach E three weeks ago and I’m getting it under A plan and have a lease rebate applied. Great content Tom!

[@Eyahye]

Got a ford ev 3 months ago. Darn.

[@robh5409]

This is great from Ford. The way I see home charging is the EVSE is like an appliance like a oven. It may be considered a perk in the home if it's sold. We'll need legislation to help pay for and encourage landlords to install L2 charging at their properties.

[@milohobo9186]

This sounds way better than what I got through GM. I'm going to really encourage my friends to look into Ford for this reason alone. What is a good Ford model to recommend? Something small, efficient, and affordable?

[@nathanbrumbaugh8545]

@@milohobo9186 one of the latest mach e have an upgrade and gets over 300 miles on one charge and a little faster DC charging that’s probably the best one.

[@mobobo218]

That’s if your home electrical system is able to handle the extra load. Always a catch

[@davenealy7254]

So I just purchased my Mustang MachE, less than three months ago. Any word if they’re going to extend this to recent new purchases?

[@llaughridge]

If you don’t have a house, will they cover installing it at a relative’s house in a different state than where the car is registered?