2020 Karma Revero GT Pre Production First Drive

[@davidmorillo3475]

I was commuting to work today and while I sat at the traffic light, this beauty pulled up and I was ASTOUNDED by how gorgeous and unique it looked!

[@BrianMakse]

I was impressed. Shame the company seems to be imploding.

[@Sodacake]

I'm taken aback that this channel is not bigger. Great content.

[@BrianMakse]

KZbin prefers inane content.

[@mooremaceo]

Love the car! not crazy about the grill. This is a car you have to see in person, it has a presence like none other.

[@lemaa4820]

You NEVER LIED!!!

[@christianspivey279]

Awesome 👏🏾 great review as always! Can’t wait for the full video

[@BrianMakse]

Coming in a couple of months. Looking forward to the drive.

[@megachef0421]

I love the carbon fiber touches around the car, it looks stunning

[@zeeshanmohammed6404]

I see this car so rarely in Middle East, so I was wondering what was the name of this car, but I finally found it.

[@luisaki1693]

@Quix I saw some of the older models in China

[@radityaindera3442]

Aston Martin badge would not look out of place in that car. Looks gorgeous and much refined than previous model.

[@boots_n_coots]

Nice to see that they did a proper job on the audio system, which many manufacturers STILL can’t seem to get right. The sound quality of the Bose system in my C7 GS is a big disappointment in an otherwise superb car. Ah well...

[@BrianMakse]

In your car, I’m willing to overlook the Bose!

[@boots_n_coots]

Haha, yeah she’s a keeper alright.

[@mrubuntuking5257]

I think the problem audiophiles have with Bose isn't the sound quality: they're definitely great-sounding, great-looking, and are certainly premium systems, although they have produced some duds like your Corvette's. The problem is the market echelon they try to position themselves in, and the price they try to charge for it. If you want a great-quality set of speakers in your living room, you can't go wrong in going to Best Buy and picking up the first Bose you see, and you'll be getting your money's worth. However, there are so many other Japanese and German brands that offer the same or better sound quality for even less money. Bose makes quality products for decent-enough money, but they and the automakers they design audio system for try to position it as a discounted version of Bang&Olufsen, Harmon-Kardon, or Pioneer-level stuff, and it just isn't even close. I'll check the premium audio system option on a car if it's Bose, but sometimes you can spend $1.5k+, even $2k+ to do it, and there's just so much better for that money. Some cars charge that much for a system with handcrafted metal tweeters that rise out of the dashboard. Like the Toyota Corolla, Bose is the "safe" option: you can't go wrong, and the stereotype that people who buy Bose are blind loyalists who know nothing about audio is as wrong as it is insulting, but if you're willing to take some risks and read reviews, you could do better. Bose isn't a ripoff like Beats by Dre, but I'd buy a Sennheiser or Sony pair of headphones for less money vs Quiet Comfort, for example.

[@boots_n_coots]

MrUbuntuking: Thanks for your thoughtful response. You obviously know a lot more about car audio than I do. My initial disappointment with the Bose in my C7 was triggered by a simple comparison with the HK system in my 2011 Mini Cooper JCW. I just automatically assumed that the eight-year newer system in the Vette would sound better, and it doesn’t. In its favor, the Bose has a lot more amplifier power, but there is something seriously wrong with the midrange. The HK in the Mini is not a super high-end system, but there is a sweetness and a natural-sounding mid-range that the Bose just can’t do, no matter how you fiddle with the EQ controls. Damned frustrating, I tell ya! There is an ‘edge’ on Diana Krall’s voice, for example, that just ain’t right. I suppose GM was just trying to meet a price target and Bose bid low. Perhaps I could fix the problems with some custom audio shop work, but I think my solution is going to be an aftermarket exhaust system. Turn off the radio, put the top down and listen to the V8 music, haha.

[@itsTurtleBoy]

Was driving home from college just now and I see this beauty and was like “Wtf kinda car is this? Are you a Ferrari? Fiat Spider? Kia Stinger?”

[@joetacchino4470]

Nice to see this car finally get a proper development. Always thought they looked cool. Good car if you want an EV driving experience but need to do long ranges or have range anxiety. I have a feeling that the Taycan will spank it though.

[@BrianMakse]

It’s quite good for what it is and keep in mind this isn’t the end game for Karma.

[@omarjimenez8895]

I remember being in middle school thinking the Fisker Karma was the coolest car ever and that one day i would have one

[@BrianMakse]

Fisker is long gone. This is fundamentally a different car.

[@omarjimenez8895]

@@BrianMakse yeah I wasn't implying they were one and the same I was just remembering when Fisker was around

[@BrianMakse]

@@omarjimenez8895 Soon Karma won't be around, either!

[@-Munditimum-]

Great video Brian! Very glad someone finally did a quick review of this car. More glad that it is you. I can really appreciate the new looks. Wonder if they will offer 22 wheels as an option going forward. I just wish the trunk size was a little larger, but I would still definitely consider this beautiful beast. Anyhow, I would imagine that most who would consider/purchase this product have other daily drivers in their fleet. Cheers.

[@BrianMakse]

Thanks for watching. I doubt they'll do 22s, but those carbon wheels on the one I drove are pretty trick.

[@sahinsahin104]

thank you for this

[@BrianMakse]

Hope you enjoyed it!

[@ham_ham3]

Finally, we can get it “pure EV ver”!!!! (in 2021)

[@oioioi5669]

Dope. I press the inner and outer hood panels for these cars and i was curious how these cars really were

[@BrianMakse]

It drives as well as I said in the review. Have you been able to see the finished cars up close?

[@joeyscleaninglady2877]

4.5 seconds 0-60 is a bit slow at this price point? If being driven by electric motors how come they couldn't get the performance up to Panamera levels? A 2003 E55 does 0-60 in the same amount of time

[@BrianMakse]

Let’s unpack this. First, this is rear drive. With electrics, tires are a real compromise. Wide tires or sticky tires = more drag. Acceleration is limited by the tire. In addition, this is their regular model, not a tuned special, so a comparison to any AMG or whatever dialed up version of a standard car is an apples and oranges thing.

[@joeyscleaninglady2877]

Acceleration is limited by peak inverter current. What is peak inverter current? Looks like this vehicle uses off the shelf igbt modules probably from semikron and not the discrete igbts as used in Tesla vehicles. Do you really believe a 16 year old amg " performance" car is a high bar?

[@BrianMakse]

It’s the tire.

[@joeyscleaninglady2877]

So with drag radials what would the 0-60 be? You keep making these assertions but never provide any evidence? Why is that?

[@BrianMakse]

Did you drive the car? No? Didn't think so. Regardless, let me attempt to explain, despite my crystal clear review. In every launch control start I did, the limiting factor was the tire, since the car was controlling wheelspin. This, of course, means the limiting factor is indeed traction. What's traction? That's the special connection between the tire and the road surface. A softer compound tire or a similar, but wider, tire would permit greater traction and, thus, quicker acceleration. This also means, of course, that the electric motors are delivering slightly more torque than the tires are capable of putting to the road surface. And what would drag radials have to do with anything? They don't stop or turn very well, which isn't the point of this car. By the way, if we're talking vehicle dynamics, what's your level of driving experience?

[@mabdood79]

What about the rear passenger space? The cramped rear seat area was a huge complaint on the original Fisker Karma.

[@BrianMakse]

I fit.

[@DragosDomnara]

gonna miss that spaceship sound like on the original

[@jaredbridgeman246]

Spaceship sound??? Huh???

[@DragosDomnara]

Jared Bridgeman the original fisker karma had a sound like a UFO. Search fisker karma sound and you’ll see what I mean :^)

[@jaredbridgeman246]

@@DragosDomnara 😂😂😂 lol sure man I'll check that out Jesse!!

[@earfors]

jesse florian definitely a UFO!!

[@psychonauturiel005]

I totally saw 1 of these on the freeway the other day!

[@BrianMakse]

I can't imagine they'll be around for much longer.

[@psychonauturiel005]

@@BrianMakse Why do you say that? I know Fisker had problems but i can see a market for that car. Specally in CA. I was so happy to see a test car lol it was off the 78 and i5 by Oceanside CA

[@BrianMakse]

@@psychonauturiel005 The car was great, but Karma now has more fundamental business problems than Fisker. Keep up on the news, homie. I wish them luck.

[@dwightmatsukawa6020]

Great video! I love how you keep it concise and informative unlike other car reviewers! Keep up the good work can't wait to see how your channel grows in the future.

[@BrianMakse]

Cool, thanks!

[@davidhunternyc1]

What do you think of the brakes?

[@BrianMakse]

Pretty sure I covered that extensively in this review. Certainly more than I could say in a quick comment.

[@davidhunternyc1]

@@BrianMakse Gotcha ; )

[@SpaghettiElie]

I found out about this car from the local mall, they have one on display when you walk around

[@rydingwithryan493]

2020 Ford F-150 XL 5.0L V8 SuperCrew: curb weight: 5,000 pounds 2020 karma revero gt: Curb weight: 5,043 lbs

[@BrianMakse]

2020 McLaren GT curb weight: 3400 lbs 2020 Mazda MX-4 curb weight: 2350 lbs

[@rydingwithryan493]

Brian Makse well...you told me lol.

[@Zee216]

Did they sell any?

[@BrianMakse]

All of them.

[@andrewbarczak3921]

What's the top speed on it??

[@BrianMakse]

Faster than any public speed limit in the country.

[@andrewbarczak3921]

@@BrianMakse That's for sure lol. Happy New Year 2020. 🎇🎆🍾🥂

[@BrianMakse]

@@andrewbarczak3921 Same to you, Andrew!

[@JohnAdreamstyler]

Nice...

[@juggalojjr]

Man I seen one next to me today, one cool and sounding car 👏👏👍👍

[@dennisnirmark1353]

Awesome car! Would like to see a comparison video between Polestar 1 and Karma Revero

[@BrianMakse]

That’s always a question of budget. Any ideas?

[@dennisnirmark1353]

@@BrianMakse No! I wasn´t suggesting that you in particularly should do it. I was just saying it would be an interesting the see them compared to one another. Wouldn´t you agree? Great review by the way!

[@jaredbridgeman246]

Interesting car!!! Can't wait to see you do a review on the Fisker EMotion!!! 😀🤗👍

[@BrianMakse]

Whatever you want, Jared! 🤭

[@niacal4nia]

Don't GTs and coupe have 2 doors?

[@BrianMakse]

Ask Mercedes-Benz.

[@gucciflipflopbleep]

This thing is sick.

[@cnearwheel7176]

I'll take 2 please

[@chillout1109]

This is just a car for the die-hard Karma (or Fisker) fans. There is no way one could possibly justify buying this $135,000 hybrid over a fully loaded Tesla Model S P100D that costs $133,000. The Tesla is two leagues above the Karma Revero GT, both in terms of tech and performance. Sorry, as interested in the car as Brian has been, I'll pass.

[@BrianMakse]

How's your Tesla holding up?

[@chillout1109]

@@BrianMakse Don't judge Teslas by the horror stories that you hear from a few owners who have been unfortunate to receive bad cars. The majority of us are actually enjoying problem free driving. My Model S is a year and a half old now, and the only problem I had to send it back for was a charging cover that would not auto-open at the click of the charge nozzle. I had to open it manually every time I wanted to charge, which wasn't that big of a deal. I would still buy another Model S over the Karma. I'm being serious. And I'm not even a Tesla fan.

[@BrianMakse]

And, yet, you haven't driven this Karma. Are you open minded enough to try one?

[@chillout1109]

@@BrianMakse Being open minded doesn't mean trying everything. That's just a modern misinterpretation of the meaning of that term. There are cars that you don't even need to try. You just know they will suck.

[@silencer169]

@@BrianMakse thank you for speaking on the driving dynamics of the car from a driver's point of view. Tesla fans live in brochure facts like 0-60 times. The interior of this Revero GT looks amazing! This is so much more of a luxury car then a Tesla has ever been.

[@Mireaze]

Damn, I need that car, so stylish

[@carminedauria-gupta2561]

The market will decide if this is a car anyone actually wants

[@BrianMakse]

Amazing. You answered your own question.

[@jaqyboris5593]

grill needs fixing for sure

[@JL-ef7bh]

Carbon fibre rims holy shit! This thing must feel extremely responsive to the throttle and brakes.

[@BrianMakse]

This car is as good as I said. Shame they seem to be on the DeLorean track.

[@runitbackgaming503]

So a fisker karma huh?

[@BrianMakse]

No.

[@runitbackgaming503]

Brian Makse umm yes, the Company semi recently bought Fisker. Fisker‘s first car was called the karma and so they rename the company karma it’s the same car just updated

[@BrianMakse]

Excellent analysis. Yet, still, no.

[@monochronology]

Amazing review, good job 👌🏼😄 I would also include charging specifications, after all is equipped with a 28 kWh battery pack 👍🏽 PHEV should come with fast charging 🤔 Won't you agree ?

[@BrianMakse]

Thanks. I normally take a few days to produce an episode. I had two and a half hours with the car. When Karma has me back to drive a production car, expect a full review.

[@monochronology]

Brian Makse I'll wait for the full review 👌🏼 Good work

[@monochronology]

Brian Makse page 27 www.karmaautomotive.com/_ui/docs/Karma-Revero-Brochure.pdf DC fast charging at 45 kW nice 👏🏼👏🏼😍 AC 6,6 kW (not great) but 😄

[@BrianMakse]

That's great info today, but I filmed this last August!

[@CaseyS555]

The interieur looks same like the old fisker karma

[@BrianMakse]

Not exactly, but thanks for watching.

[@instantdislikechannel5699]

I can see that you clearly got big problems driving/steering the car The cockpit seems very narrow...the middle-part to high, so that your elbow is always hitting on it... A big fail to me...

[@BrianMakse]

Here we go again...

[@rosestorming5420]

My dad owns one, they are actually REALLY comfortable to be in. The seating is nice and soft, LOTS of leg room especially for somebody like my dad (6'3) In my opinion you just seem kind of salty that you've never tried a car like this one.

[@megu2272]

I'm conflicted on the looks, it looks amazing from the rear but the front look a bit like early model S's

[@BrianMakse]

I will say the colour and the lighting didn’t help my shoot.

[@coreygrant5974]

Very similar to the S. Different dimensions but same shapes.

[@Slickpete83]

also for that price $135k , assuming u lease sports cars and want the latest technology better wait for the Porsche Taycan 👍

[@ChaimLoecher]

GT.... I think we are past 4.5 s as being "good" maybe GTI is what they meant... GT is a stretch

[@godsmack1716]

GT stands for grand tourer

[@GaiusdanhnhanAugustus]

Nice car, but the carbon fiber trim beneath the AC vents kind of resembles a mustache if you notice.

[@BrianMakse]

Do you have a thing for moustaches?

[@christschool]

What is the market for this? The Lexus LC 500 is superior to this car in every category and the Karma will probably cost more and have fewer dealers to support servicing.

[@slm8025]

It's like Sex on 4 wheels- Will be my first electric car, I like the gas/electro too till charging stations are common place.

[@BrianMakse]

Well, three things. You don’t really need a charger with this. The charging infrastructure is good enough now and only getting better. Lastly, is Karma still in business?

[@fenix310]

It looks pretty nice butt you look like your in a tight tub in the drivers seat

[@lemaa4820]

Lol

[@jefferywilliams3218]

damn a model s at this price point tho can get a p100d

[@BrianMakse]

Keep up. Karma is on life support.

[@OM-cr4ln]

Why tesla just cant do an interior like this

[@wildberry752]

Because they care too much about gimmicks

[@stevewise1656]

The 0-60 time isn’t all that impressive considering the horsepower and all the engine tech. The interior blows away the Tesla interior.

[@BrianMakse]

Acceleration is limited by the tire...

[@ahwayzcool4630]

I bet it'll be super expensive

[@yungblacky2939]

It looks like an Aston martin

[@BrianMakse]

Are you supposed to learn the designer previously did some work at Aston Martin?

[@handikawahyu5538]

I hope the car doesn't blow up again

[@BrianMakse]

What?

[@coreygrant5974]

Body shape is very similar to the Model S. Different dimensions but same shapes.

[@aaronsayd292]

I like the interior but would rather get a Tesla. At least they have fart mode. Haha. But in all seriousness it’s a good looking car for people who want a non-Tesla car.

[@vina.5832]

$150K, no autopilot, and still a hybrid. How does it even expect to compete with Tesla again? ☠️

[@BrianMakse]

I has Level 2 ADAS, just like Tesla. I don't know why you think their strategy is to compete with Tesla. That's a mighty big assumption.

[@vina.5832]

Brian Makse They were head to head few years back, Elon worked with the Creator of Fisker as well before the unveiling of many electric cars! Does the bottom dash also keep constantly flashing like that (slide of buttons)? Out of all the reviews I’ve seen, that’s seemed like a common feature/issue.

[@BrianMakse]

@@vina.5832 Henrik Fisker is not involved with Karma in any way. I think he's off chasing another EV dream. The flashing you see is a result of the frequency of the dash lighting and my camera's frame rate. It doesn't appear like that to the eye.

[@vina.5832]

Brian Makse thank GOODNESS! In that case, you’ve changed my mind. Some discrepancies or details as such I’d recommend giving a disclaimer for, since its often not the person’s fault. Since this is another car completely, that means the shotty quality of the Karma (after all the explosions, fires, and the hurricane flooding) isn’t the same here. Good to know the Revero is an entirely different project! 👍🏻🙌🏻 noice mate

[@BrianMakse]

@@vina.5832 Unlike other reviews on this channel, I had 2.5 hours with this car and it was impossible to shoot a comprehensive, unbiased piece. Other than the hardpoints and some basic components, this Revero is a totally new car, despite what some think. Perhaps they'll have me back to drive a production car more extensively.

[@jochem1986]

I like it a lot, but how can you compete against the trustworthiness of a Porsche branded Taycan? You can't, so this car is purely for risk-takers. And I'm not talking about thrills, I'm talking about dumb exposure to misfortune.

[@BrianMakse]

Apples and oranges.

[@jochem1986]

@@BrianMakse How? Because of the drivetrain? Or isn't the Porsche "boutique" enough?

[@BrianMakse]

@@jochem1986 The Karma is a PHEV. Taycan is a BEV.

[@jochem1986]

@@BrianMakse Who cares? It's not a night and day difference in practice.

[@DirtyTesla]

Gas??? Wtf lol

[@thatniceroccor7558]

6:04 is that an oil leak ? Lol

[@Slickpete83]

it sucks , definitely worth the money and headaches , imagine trying fix this car with all the electronics when the warranty is over , finding parts and everything will be over priced !!! , its gonna be worst then Lotus but great review video as always 👍🚘

[@larstofastrud1788]

Slickpete83 I’m not sure it will be more complex than pretty much any other new car.

[@BrianMakse]

@Slick Karma is targeting a premium customer and understands they expect top notch service. I'm not buying into your speculation. Glad you appreciate the review!

[@germainriahi8603]

A Jaguar that made love child with a Mercedes AMG?

[@pinksnail821]

No, an Aston Martin Rapide had a kid with a BMW i8

[@se_m2257]

160k? Good luck....

[@BrianMakse]

The company is nearly done. I don't think you have to worry.

[@kakerake6018]

Why does the group look so Tesla?

[@BrianMakse]

Why does this question make no sense?

[@kakerake6018]

@@BrianMakse typo I meant grill

[@kakerake6018]

@@BrianMakse why you gotta be so rude?

[@BrianMakse]

@@kakerake6018 I'm still confused. Teslas don't have grilles.

[@AuraMaster7]

Not sure I can trust someone who calls an engine a generator...

[@BrianMakse]

It functions as a generator, genius.

[@joshuagibbons2804]

“Accomplished race car driver” With 22k subs lmao. Later

[@BrianMakse]

Lmao KZbin commenter so inept can’t use google

[@adam.6373]

Tesla has entered the chat

[@BrianMakse]

They’re in their own echo chamber.

[@boots_n_coots]

Haha...

[@michaellidster1389]

Sublime brake pedal modulation? Car people have very weird fetishes.

[@BrianMakse]

Yeah. I’m a racing driver.

[@Chip-Monk]

It had a shitty interior in 2012 and this looks the same in 2020

[@BrianMakse]

Clearly you came here to drop your hot take rather than actually watch the review.

[@Chip-Monk]

@@BrianMakse it may look better but it still has the cramped back seats _which are nearly useless_ and some cosmetic upgrades. Its not a good car, wasnt then.. isnt now.

[@f1pace]

Accomplished race driver ? Pls don’t toot your own horn every video start😔

[@BrianMakse]

It's only there so that I can enjoy comments like this!

[@f1pace]

Cheers homes

[@freeze1305]

So Fisker sold its failing automotive company to Karma...who is going to fail too.

[@BrianMakse]

It's almost ironic. They've both been taken down by external forces.

[@addictedtopiano]

stop with the effing pan shots!

[@BrianMakse]

You're welcome to shoot the next one.

[@leehenry5764]

It's slow compared to many new cars.

[@BrianMakse]

However, it’s quicker than perhaps 95% of all new cars.

[@mattjames8683]

Ev range is 80 miles. What a joke!!

[@BrianMakse]

OK, Elon.

[@skynetsworld]

A 3 cylinder engine for 135.000$!?!? seriously??? the Corvette C8 has a V8 AND drives circels around this thing AND what did i miss? ah, right, it costs only half ... ok, to be fair, the C8 only has 2 seats and this 4, but .... anyway, bye bye Karma, maybe the next owner of the brand won't forget to put an engine in the car.

[@BrianMakse]

Um, did you miss the bit about it being driven by electric motors?

[@skynetsworld]

@@BrianMakse let me ask you: in which Universe make electric engines the kind of used pistonengine (or lack of it) more exciting? I don't mean the speed/acceleration, i mean the emotions you get when you think about the "heart" of the car or hear it's sound. The BMW i8 has the same problem. BMW forgot at least 3 cylinders (to be fair, it doesn't sound bad ... for a 3 cylinder, but not nearly as good as it could sound). I don't get why a lot of car companies don't get it. Porsche on the other hand knows how to combine hybrid and emotions, otherwise the 918 Spyder probably had a 3 cylinder "engine" as well, instead of the V8. And please don't tell me that a V8 would have been too expensive for the Karma, because we both know that's not true. And it can't be fuel prices, because someone who pays 135k for a car couldn't care less. Maybe you argue that the car is made for people that are numb inside and/or deaf and don't care about emotions. Ok, point taken. But with that i don't want to say that your work wasn't done well, because ot wss. You get a thumb up, not the car. And now i wait for the first guy who alleges i can't afford this car which must be the real reason i'm complaining. 😄

[@BrianMakse]

I think you're having your own conversation. Watch the video again. Perhaps click the link to the story.

[@LlyleHunter]

👍🏼

[@rosestorming5420]

@@skynetsworld As somebody who DESPISES loud cars I absolutely LOVE the peaceful quietness of the Revero. It feels like you're on a cloud peacefully floating along with all of your thoughts to yourself.