2020 Online Diplomacy Championship Final - Full Game Commentary

[@estelleespero19]

CaptainMeme: This could potentially be a very long commentary, you know better than we do. Me, seeing the nearly six hour time: Oh.Oh no.

[@Ponja__]

That weird area you were talking about at about 4:45:00 would be the 'Bay of Biscay'.

[@mattbackler2988]

Bay of biscay

[@LegendaryTactics]

Congrats on hitting 1k subs! Great commentary and analysis.

[@DiploStrats]

Thanks! I think that's not in small part due to your channel popularising this game, so thank you :D

[@AnglosArentHuman]

"This could potentially be a very long championship" *looks at video length* Not even 18 hours, what a joke.

[@mbeebe10]

I am in my first game of diplomacy on web diplomacy. I am glad I found this game. Very interesting how it works. Wish we could see more of the conversations.

[@DiploStrats]

Glad to hear it! Re: the press, I always wish we can too because you're guaranteed to miss a lot just trying to read the board. Maybe someday someone will run a tournament where all press is revealed at the end. In the meantime, the Media Wars and Can This Alliance Really Work videos do go over some press, but those are the only ones on my channel that do!

[@mbeebe10]

@@DiploStrats I watched can this alliance really work. I really learned a lot just from how you spoke to people or people did not speak to you. I got Austria in my game and the Italy player is one lined answers haha. Thank you for putting in the time to these videos so people can learn from you.

[@DiploStrats]

@@mbeebe10 Good luck on your board! One line answers are the bane of this game :D

[@jaymoney5090]

Nice, another long video! Keep up the commentaries, they're really good! (I'm sure this one is too, but it was released like 2 minutes ago and it's 6 hours long so I can't judge yet!)

[@DiploStrats]

Thanks! We really need more tournaments to happen so we have enough things to commentate once we've run out of years in the eternal game :D

[@robertscott7812]

Ezio: The French Press is...terrible Coffee lovers: >:(

[@blade_riotous1595]

Me watching in 1040p so I can watch triangles and circles move in maximum visuals. All jokes I really love this game.

[@blade_riotous1595]

Thanks for the liked comment even with the video being years old :)))

[@f0llf0sten]

4:44:35 what about BIC for Bay of Biscay? I mean thats the name of this part of the atlantic ocean.

[@josephcohen734]

4:44:38 it would be called the bay of biscay

[@DiploStrats]

I'm surprised there is an actual name for it! Much better one than the Brest Bight too.

[@TheGameKat]

The real issue is that you couldn't have crammed the longest game of all time into a mere 24 hours

[@DiploStrats]

I mean, we might have gotten a whistle-stop tour in there. But yeah, the series is likely to be a fair bit longer than that :D

[@RugnirSvenstarr]

Finished this marathon over 3 days of watching. Very entertaining, good stuff guys and a very late well done to the winner

[@jaymoney5090]

1:46:55 Obvious answer is that you can convoy it out through both NWG and NAO, but given England's position.... it doesn't make any sense (there was no way for a fleet to end up in NWG in S05). I agree that holding in Lyp is just better!

[@peterlegg2394]

The only guess I have is so that they could leave Liverpool open for an extra build if the convoy fails. But there's no way that was ever going to happen without France/Germany NMRing/vacating SCs.

[@Nathanael_Forlorn]

I really appreciate this running until 1925 potentially! Strategy is very different and we see those late playoffs!

[@Nathanael_Forlorn]

Kiel is not "key-yell" but "keel" iirc.

[@swainscheps]

Hide the list of player names, doesn’t add much - list those in the description….make the map bigger (important)

[@DiploStrats]

I really wish we could! Unfortunately the Backstabbr map doesn't go any wider than this, so we really need something to fill the space there. If we made the map any bigger it would cut off the top and the bottom.

[@thomaswall7685]

So kind of off topic question. I just started webdiplomacy and I can’t read the map well with their “boats and ships” . Is there a way I can change it to look like this with circles and triangles color coordinated?

[@DiploStrats]

Unfortunately not on webDiplomacy. Their map is kind of unreadable - they're supposedly working on updating it, but that's been in limbo for a while. To get this map we recreated the game over on Backstabbr, which has a much more readable map!

[@thomaswall7685]

Ok cool thanks for the reply, keep up the great vids

[@thumper8684]

Rules question: Can a unit support a move into it's own territory?

[@Shannon_Lynch]

You cannot use a support to dislodge one of your own armies or fleets

[@DiploStrats]

Matthew's right, but also - a unit needs to be able to directly move somewhere in order to support a move there. A unit can't move to its own territory (that would just be a hold) so that order wouldn't be valid anyway.

[@kunallobo4136]

How does the diplomacy phase work online? Also what's the year end rule of 1925? I thought it was 18 supply centers?

[@DiploStrats]

The Diplomacy Phase is usually 24-48h long - press is text-based, so players check in and send/read messages when they have time to do so. The year end rule is a condition put in to stop games going on forever - 18 supply centers is the victory condition in Diplomacy, but there are certain positions on the board called stalemate lines which can be permanently locked down by a defending power. There are quite a few which lock down enough SCs that victory won't be possible anymore. So games can also end by mutual agreement (draw) or by end year (timeout). In qualifying rounds of tournaments, people usually score points depending on how many SCs they have when the game ends. In finals games (like this one) it's often just 'the person with the most SCs when the game ends wins the tournament'.

[@blade_riotous1595]

Timestamp 4:15:06 , Gonna finish later

[@Enkrod]

Please pronounce Kiel as keel, that's about as close as one can get with english pronunciation. Ki-el sounds just jarring. Source: am german.

[@DiploStrats]

Gotcha! It's hard to adjust but we're working on it :D

[@Enkrod]

@@DiploStrats Absolutely great content otherwise.

[@kaisudau8818]

What type of potato is the constantly yawning guy using as a microphone?

[@DiploStrats]

Aha, hopefully a better one soon! Depends how much I can put into the DiploStrats Budget (tm) this year :P

[@paxhumana2015]

Why not just play Risk, Stratego, or Command and Conquer instead?

[@Hobbit823]

Risk, Stratego and C&C don't let you win by lying to your fellow players. Diplomacy is more akin to Mafia / Werewolf than Risk.

[@DiploStrats]

@@Hobbit823 Agreed! The way I'd describe it is probably that Diplomacy is what you get if you turn DnD into a competitive game. It's nothing like traditional wargames.

[@davidfoley8546]

I have so much more fun with Diplomacy than Risk, there's just no comparison imo.

[@arthurdaffos1490]

No Rng, just skill and LOTS of deceit