2020 Tesla Model 3 vs BMW 3 Series review - can you really choose electric over petrol? | What Car?

[@whatcar]

So, would you choose an electric car as your next new car? Does the real world range of the Model 3 Standard Range Plus fit into your life? Or is an all touchscreen control system too much for you? Let us know below!

[@robsmith1a]

I have had a Zoe three years, I am never going back to petrol. I love the way an EV drives and it is super convenient provided you have a way of charging it at home. The range means that I usually want to stop before it needs charging too. I would personally like a less Spartan cabin than the Tesla but otherwise would love one.

[@h.i2114]

What's the negativity towards tesla? How much were u guys paid? The model 3 is selling way more than the 3 series in Europe and America making a biast review wont affect sales mission failed!

[@MrCpolzin]

The Tesla 3 kills the 3 series..

[@jmckey]

Tesla. I have an electrician coming on Tuesday to assess installing either an individual charging setup for us or a station for the Townhome complex I live in. It'll obviously be more up front work to make all this happen but all the future obvious features of the Tesla make it a no brainer choice. Autonomous driving because humans suck and I love my wife and kids, electric b/c i love having a stable ecosystem for me and my wife/kids (plus overnight charging sounds swank), and everyone says once you get a taste of the instant torque there is no going back to ICE vehicles.

[@adonaiorion]

Pathetic to talk about tesla as the representation of EVs when it is known there are many more with a lot less lawsuits, they are nearing thousand open and counting because they aren't delivering the quality claimed, along the many accidents, etc. Not to mention the psychopathic CEO musk. Why not compare electric cars rather than be a sell out to some company?

[@francois6478]

I live in the US and own 2 BMWs ( m240 and X5) and the Model 3 SR+. While I love the way the BMWs look, feel and handle, they stay in the garage most of the time. The SR+ is quicker than m240 (drag raced them at the track) is infinitely cheaper to run and maintain and the infotainment system and sound system is just better and more advanced. Although I sometimes miss the visceral growl of the bimmer’s straight six, the model 3 is an overall better car with a silky smooth powertrain. I ordered the Cybertruck and will not look back when I go full electric in about 2 years. We live in amazing times!

[@mihnealazar7039]

In US it makes sense. In Europe it makes sense, but less. I live in Romania. Here pretty much all people in cities live in blocks of flats (up to medium and high-medium class). So over-night charging is not an option. People would have to rely on charging stations, which are mostly free but slow. And there are few charging stations in the big cities, while in between them there are pretty much none. So a long trip is excluded if you have an electric car. So here the BMW would make more sense.

[@Haldexify]

Mihnea Lazăr maybe one day there will be slow chargers on each parking spot. In Oslo, a lot of appartments have basements with car parking. That should be required by law.

[@supaahflyy]

@@mihnealazar7039 it actually makes the most sense in places where fuel is vastly more expensive such as Europe and Australia (I say this because I live here). In the US fuel prices are still pretty cheap by world's standards even if the residents don' think it's not. So it's less compelling but still a little cheaper going electric. In Europe and Australia, you'll save tons of money not having to buy petrol

[@hchchc22]

I agree. Model 3's electric motor drivetrain feels silky smooth compared to all internal combustion engines, even the smooth operating BMW inline-6 engine. There is no question that electric motor is the superior approach to vehicle propulsion. Anyone who has driven the Model 3 would come to that conclusion.

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

@@mihnealazar7039 Short term it can be an issue for how to charge an EV without off street parking. However, long term there will be charge points for street parking, car parks (garages), shops, offices, etc., as EVs take over. EVs win long term due to vastly lower operating costs (1/3 to 1/4 vs fossil fuel and combustion engine wear and maintenance) and within 5-10 years, lower EV purchase costs, as battery costs continue to fall.

[@vts747]

Since 2018 my dual motor Tesla Model 3 keeps getting better because of the free over the air updates. It's like owning a newer car every few month or so. This is one of the most important reasons to own a Tesla, your car is getting better while aging. I won't consider any other EV brand until they offer the same capability.

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

@John Edwards Not in any significant way. The only thing that requires a hardware upgrade in some early Model 3s is full self driving, which requires a new neural network computer. The cost of replacing the computer is included in the price of the Full Self Driving option. So basically no new hardware is needed for most software updates, same as your phone or computer.

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

@John Edwards Teslas have had major upgrades via over the air updates. Autopilot was originally rolled out as a software update. Tesla does extremely rapid development, and improvements happen every few months. Most of those happen without hardware changes, though Autopilot does require cameras, etc., and a some early cars didn't have them. In addition to constantly improving software, Tesla makes hardware improvements pretty much non-stop, and at a MUCH faster pace than the old car makers, particularly continual improvements to battery chemistry and capacity, but in almost all other aspects too. Rapid development and short update cycles is something borrowed from Silicon Valley software companies, and it's a reason progress and innovation is so rapid at Tesla and SpaceX. Most of the sophistication/capabilities of SpaceX or Tesla vehicles are due to software, and the software is being continually improved. In addition to excellent software that's constantly improved, Tesla (and SpaceX) have top quality hardware implementations (mechanical, electrical, computer) for the software to run on. And they too are under constant development and improvement. A Tesla Model S made in 2020 has very extensive improvements from one made in 2012, and the changes happened nearly constantly over time. Another key point is that due to very high levels of integration, Tesla has control over far more of their hardware via software then other car makers. Most other car makers literally cannot upgrade the software of (most of) their car's systems, and that's a major reason why other the air updates were unique to Tesla for a most of decade. Most other cars literally can not do over the air updates today. So some of your concerns seem misapplied or underinformed.

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

@John Edwards Tesla has major hardware changes and minor hardware changes. Only the very largest hardware changes are incompatible. The oldest Teslas that lack Autopilot hardware (obviously) can't do Autopilot. Teslas that have Autopilot hardware (from 2014 on) can do Autopilot software upgrades. A few of the Autopilot details differ between the latest neural network hardware (version 3) and the second most recent (version 2), but the neural network computers are a modular board that can be upgraded to the latest (from version 2 to version 3) without changing anything else in the car. So again, some of your criticisms are inaccurate. Regarding choice, it would be great if other car makers made cars as competent and capable as Teslas. So far no one has made a car that competes with the original 2012 Model S at the same price for range or performance. They are therefore objectively more than 7 years behind Tesla.

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

@John Edwards Air suspension is probably the only other major consumer difference over the entire life of the Model S. Most of the other internal improvements are invisible to the end user, but make the car better in relatively subtle but important ways like efficiency. Better efficiency translates into better range and lower operating costs, and has improved nearly continually in many ways: battery chemistry, motors, software, etc. Battery capacity has improved continuously resulting in lower costs and longer ranges. Battery improvements are inevitable for all EVs, but Tesla starts with a major advantage in battery cost due to massive investments in battery making at their Gigafactory. Tesla very likely has the lowest battery cost of any EV made today, and the cost advantage is a substantial lead over other EV makers. Other battery makers are catching up, relatively slowly. Tesla's battery performance is more of an incremental gain, but it's a significant one, and a significant and ongoing commercial advantage over other EVs. Battery cost is a reason Tesla can build EVs at a 20-28% gross profit margin (similar to BMW and Mercedes gross profit margins), while GM loses money on every Bolt (Ampera) EV sold. Same with Fiat, for sure. Tesla recently improved the Model S and X suspension with the Raven version which is (more) adaptive and incrementally more comfortable and sporty when appropriate. Tesla's lane keeping and cruise control are universally regarded as the best performing, due to better neural networks, better training, better fleet learning, and better updates. The design of the Model 3 is more stable than the Model S and X because it's a mechanically simpler car that's more highly evolved, being a newer design. Experience gained from S and X was applied to 3. Model Y is even simpler than Model 3. Model Y benefits from the experience of designing and manufacturing Model 3. Neither 3 nor Y should have as many changes as S and X because they're newer and simpler designs. They're better optimized from the start, due to the experience effect.

[@Maatsy]

John Edwards Well, when that day comes you can just upgrade the hardware/display. I’ve seen people do this to old teslas like 2012-13 model S. It’s not that expensive, specially not compared to buying a new BMW because you want upgraded interior f.example.

[@andrewkirk3159]

You mentioned voice commands in relation to the BMW but not the Tesla. So for the sake of balance here is a list of available voice commands for the model 3. Sorry if you find this comment "hateful' but facts don't care about your feelings. Command List: - Open Browser - Go to Google.com or Go to Tesla.com - Search Google For X - Open Easter Eggs - Open Phone - Open/Close Energy App - Adjust mirrors - Adjust steering wheel - Enable/Disable sentry mode - Lock/unlock doors - Lock/unlock Windows - Open/Close charge port door - Set driver seat heater to - Set Seat (XXX) heater to (XXX) - Set rear seats to high - Set wipers to auto /1/2/3/4 - Show Wi-Fi - Show/Close Backup/Rear Camera - Show/Close Bluetooth - Slow down windshield wipers - Speed up wipers - Turn off windshield wipers - Turn on windshield wipers - Turn on/off all seat heaters - Turn on/off front defroster - Turn on/off rear defroster - Turn on/off the defogger - Unfold mirrors - Wipers Max - Open Home Link - Open/Close Owner's Manual - Show me tire pressures - Show Trip - Open/Close autopilot - Open/Close Display Settings - Open/Close Drivers Menu - Set dome lights to automatic - Turn dome lights off/on - Ho Ho Ho - infinity and beyond - keep sumer safe - Fart Noises - Adjust Air - I'm cold - Increase/Decrease the temperature X degrees - Make it cooler - Make it warmer - Move air up/down - Open/Close HVAC controls - Set fan to automatic - Set fan to X - Set the temperature to XX - To infinity and beyond - Turn off "H" "Vac" - Turn off the air - Turn on/off Camp mode - Turn on/off Dog Mode - Turn on/off floor, windshield vent - Turn on/off recirculate - Open the glovebox - Set passenger seat to high/medium/low - Show seat heaters - Show the odometer ‪- Turn on/off rear left/right/middle seat heater‬ - Open/Close Music - Open NetFlix - Open KZbin - Play - Show media - Next Song - Mute Music - Cancel Navigation - Drive to - Go Home - Go to airport - Go to Work - Navigate to - Take me to - Turn on/off satellite mode/view - Turn on/off Traffic Display/view - Where are the supercharger stations - Zoom in/out on the map - Call - Open phone app - Show text message - Text Message MotherFrunker - Send Motherfrunker Hello this is a text - Send Poop emoji within text - Bug Report

[@tannman87]

Andrew Kirk ‘my butt is cold’ turns on the seat heater!

[@Tzoid1]

Andrew Kirk my butt is cold

[@michaelfink64]

Model 3 actually has excellent voice recognition that controls most of the things that would otherwise need buttons, including steering wheel and mirror adjustment, navigation, media, even the glove box, so I don’t think the absence of buttons is a big deal. I have a Model 3 Performance and my wife has a 330e, so I have a pretty good idea of both. I like the way they both drive, although the Model 3 has far superior acceleration, of course. I think the Tesla seats are more comfortable than BMW on long drives. The user interface of the Tesla is far superior (although I do like the BMW head up display and think that this should be available in a technologically advanced car such as the Tesla), as is the voice recognition, driver assistance, over the air updates and the app.

[@mihnealazar7039]

I saw that voice commands in the latest update are trash in Europe (from Tesla Driver on KZbin)

[@chrisabbott683]

Mihnea Lazăr Over the past few weeks I’ve found they have improved massively. A month ago they were useless but now it works as expected 90% of the time.

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

@@SpeakerKevin Agree, and the main factor is actually living with both cars long term. Testers who test a car for a day or two don't fully understand how they're actually used in driving on a ongoing daily basis.

[@unickygtube]

@BTICronox Here's a helping hand to make you understand why the Model 3 approach is so superior. Go onto eBay/Google, whatever, and have a look for "BMW 3 Series mirror button". Thousands of results for sale. Meaning (obviously) thousands have failed. Are they even all the same? Of course not. You'll need to hunt for the exact one. Then spend the time/ money to get it fitted etc. Understand now? But, yes, you're extremely welcome to your extra 2 seconds every couple of months when you might have to adjust the mirrors with your dedicated little button. I also assume you whipped out a physical keyboard and plugged it into your tablet/phone before typing your response, eh?

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

@BTICronox Everything is not on the Model 3 screen. The only thing the screen is used for on a daily basis is glancing at the speedometer occasionally and the map. Both are very large and clear. Temperature control is at a fixed position on the bottom of the screen. Most people set it and forget it. Everything else ACTUALLY USED WHEN DRIVING, can be adjusted from steering wheel stalks or scroll buttons. And it's all very easy to use due to excellent ergonomic design. These things and more are on the steering wheel stalks and scroll buttons: cruise control distance, cruise control speed, autopilot engage and disengage, confirm automatic lane change, audio track and volume, phone answer and hangup, text message read and reply, and the usual gear selection, turn signal, windshield washer, etc. Due to that, hands stay on the steering wheel and eyes stay on the road for pretty much all normal driving functions. They are easily operated by touch and feel alone, and they're very easy to use. All navigation, phone use and even text messaging can be easily done using voice commands. There are also voice commands to adjust temperature, seat heaters, music selections, phone, etc. Voice commands are the easiest and likely most common way to navigate somewhere. just like your phone except the car can do almost all of the highway driving. So the idea that the screen is used for everything is objectively wrong in actual real world use. Most of the settings on the screen have fully automated settings and are set it and forget it, and voice commands and steering wheel controls are used for most common driving functions. For example, most people set the automatic lights, automatic wipers, automatic climate control and never change them manually. Temperature is easily adjusted while staying in automatic mode. Because of that the screen gets very little use during actual driving.

[@barygol]

I'll tell you main difference. When you own and drive for a while the model 3, you just can't go back to a petrol engine car. That doesn't happen the other way around.

[@kiae-nirodiaries1279]

Ditto that. I am not in Tesla territory on price, my drive being a modestly rare Kia e-Niro but once into an EV there is no way to go back to all that mechanical fuss.

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

@@kiae-nirodiaries1279 Agree. All EVs are better than their fossil fuel equivalents. They're quieter, smoother, quicker, simpler, cleaner, much more efficient, easier to drive, and far more convenient to charge at home or work than ever going to a fossil fuel station. P.S. Thank you for helping to spread the word about EVs. They are much better than fossil cars, though generally takes a little bit of real world use for people to fully understand why. P.P.S. Kia Niro EV price in the U.S is $38,500. Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus price in the U.S. is $39,990. In the U.S., they are essentially the same price before tax incentives, though presumably Kia has the full Federal tax credit because Kia, Hyundai have built so few EVs.

[@DittyDafku]

I just rented a 2020 model 3 for two days and I cannot believe what i witnessed. It was like the discovery of something momentous. The most beautiful driving machine ever. Its super super smooth and the acceleration is exhilarating! Once you are in it. All other cars look like dinosaurs. A wise man once said, simplicity outperforms complexity. Engines are a complex mess with many moving parts doomed to fail over time. Tesla has basically none of that. I mean im not even sure what can go wrong besides the standard wear and tear pieces of a vehicle like tires and brakes.

[@SuhasSreehariOnline]

I disagree personally. I own a BMW 3 series. I e driven Tesla Model S a couple times. I love my BMW way better. It handles better. And I don’t have range anxiety.

[@raymond4307]

😅😅😅 I will say it depends

[@fattypark]

The 3-series is a cracking car, but it's an evolution rather than revolution. Tesla's cars are game changers, and are forcing the entire industry to adapt. They have a lead on battery tech, and their charging infrastructure is way ahead of anyone elses. Electric is the future, particularly because they will achieve price parity with ICE cars by around 2024. The UK in particular will see a big hike in sales volumes from April with the 0% BIK rules for company cars. Charging infrastructure will develop at an equally fast pace.

[@joebloggs4191]

Until one day they discover they aren't as green as we are led to believe or cheap to run since they will tax electric to the hilt if they loose tax income from petrol / diesel.

[@adonaiorion]

Check the lawsuits and the battery issues. MAny are talking about how their cars suddenly stop working. Not adding the sudden acceleration and deaths because car loses control. The whole thing is controlled by a computer system that is also accessed remotely from others computers, etc.

[@Sci-flyer]

Αngel PendragoΩ you realise there hasn’t been a mainstream passenger vehicle produced in the last 30 years that isn’t “controlled by a computer system”?

[@scottizenberg]

@@adonaiorion You are a shmuck with no knowledge of what you're asserting! No such thing ever proven with sudden acceleration. And no one has ever hacked a tesla. Enjoy your car..

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

@@adonaiorion Please stop trolling. Unintended acceleration in all cars typically comes from stepping on the accelerator instead of the brake pedal. Like most cars, Teslas log accelerator position, brake position, etc., for accident investigation. In those logs Tesla can see this is the cause of "unintended acceleration." This is standard on all modern cars. Again, please stop trolling.

[@earthlingmarto7277]

To say 3 series has a better infotainment system is like saying Nokia has a better software than IPhone

[@Dralonet]

Bmw infotainmentsystem better? For real?

[@bikesqump]

Markus if there is no button to fondle then theres nothing for the reviewer to review!

[@mihnealazar7039]

He meant the usability of it overall (because you don’t have to reach to the touchscreen on the BMW while you drive). Also, for over 40 people that don’t see that well, how will they operate the car?

[@markrobin9566]

Mihnea Lazăr Progressive multi-focal lenses on their glasses!

[@mihnealazar7039]

razorx999 lol weird indeed. But it seems that people from US don’t have such an eyesight issue as some Europeans. I’m from Romania and pretty much everyone I know over 40 has eyesight issues, and ones over 70 yrs actually have pretty major issues. :/

[@mihnealazar7039]

razorx999 lol in Romania people don’t even have progressive lenses for glasses (or we might have them but they are very expensive and so only for the high-class). Most people have a pair of glasses for what their problem is, so one with close and far vision problems (I know some people with both affections) have 2 pairs of glasses. We are behind other nations in some domains, like health, because our salaries are much lower and we can’t afford some modern treatments. At least state hospitals are free (if you have a medical insurance which just means having a legal job).

[@davidfenwick987]

....so there was absolutely not validity in your criticism of the stearing wheel adjustment

[@retro1120]

True, I was so confused as to what he was talking about

[@FELUNKADUNK]

Pretty much no validity in many of his arguments....media superior on bmw because of knob, guess he’s never supercharged and watched KZbin or figured out voice control....quieter at 70mph lol what is he on....

[@ewadge]

As an owner of a BMW, really there is nothing attractive about the BMW idrive system.

[@ewadge]

Chris R is it now? Where are you getting your data from?

[@drdhwhitney]

As owner of a BMW 1 Series M Coupe, I aver that its best feature is the absence of BMW iDrive and obsolete when built Nav system! My M3 Tesla performance arrives soon and just may get me to sell the 1!

[@Durzel]

IDrive is decent imo, but I feel like the issues with the Tesla touchscreen interface are overblown. How often do you really need to change things on your typical commute?

[@alexandreandrianov5970]

It a matter of taste. If you like BlackBerry circa 2008.

[@AllanSustainabilityFan]

@@Durzel Not to mention most of them can be handled with voice commands.

[@eron17]

Anyone who drives both cars for more than an hour realizes that the BMW feels 30 years older than the Tesla.

[@chrisabbott683]

Chris R Have you tried a Tesla. I used to drive an M135i. Loved it. But I’m a Model 3 convert.

[@tagg8233]

@Chris R Hard to believe; if you disliked the first two so much why would you try the third. Also, given the customer satisfaction rate (and incredibly low depreciation rate of the model 3), even if you are for real, you are absolutely in the minority.

[@chrisabbott683]

Chris R To be honest I hate the X and am not keen on the S either. The interiors are very poor for the money. But I love the 3. Maybe try one at some point. But at least you’ve tried some models. Fair enough. They’re not for everyone, we need more choice in the EV market.

[@chrisabbott683]

Chris R Tesla is having an investor event on battery/drivetrain technology in April I believe. Will be interesting to see what they announce. They purchased a solid state battery company a year or so ago. Tesla have certainly shaken up the market.

[@chrisabbott683]

Chris R The 3 you drove sounds like a Friday afternoon build! Mine was delivered in September 19 with no panel gap issues and no problems in 5,000 miles since then. And my monthly costs have fallen significantly.

[@humphreybradley3060]

Great comparison! There is no doubt that electric cars are the future! As a company car buyer the Tesla is REALLY compelling!

[@phamnuwen9442]

Remove the unfair punitive taxation on ICE and all the subsidies to EV and we'll find out.

[@steveb4012]

@@phamnuwen9442 Agree totally, we're going through the painful process of choosing a new company car, we've settled on a RAV 4 but its emissions are rising in April. Is that a Samoyed in your thumbnail?

[@phamnuwen9442]

@@steveb4012 That's Storm. He was a Japanese Spitz.

[@steveb4012]

@@phamnuwen9442 cheers for the reply, my Sammy in the thumbnail.

[@Cross-xm2fr]

@@phamnuwen9442 look at the Tesla us sales where gas is cheap and there's no ev subsidy anymore

[@attorney8452]

As an owner of a BMW, I love the material quality which Tesla will never have!

[@dandetweiler581]

FYI, all the examples you gave of the Tesla infotainment system being cumbersome are available through a simple voice command. Couldn't be simpler.

[@mihnealazar7039]

Watch Tesla Driver on KZbin. In the latest version the voice commands work 1 time out of 10 (in Europe)

[@waynerussell6401]

Consumer reports put Tesla at the top[ for entertainment systems. And no mention of the superior audio system in a Tesla. www.consumerreports.org/automotive-technology/choose-an-infotainment-system-you-will-love/ www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-sound-system-secret/

[@neil2742]

They work much better than that for me, although I admit the last update did degrade them.

[@LarsPallesen]

He was really grasping for straws with that complaint.

[@AutoAbsolute]

@@mihnealazar7039 mine works 9/10

[@ZesPak]

After owning my tesla for 30k km, I think you've got the question "can you really choose electric over petrol?" the wrong way around.

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

Electric vehicles are cleaner, simpler, quicker, quieter, smoother, far more efficient (3x to 4x) and can be charged almost any place that has electricity. The latter is vastly more convenient than ever going to a fossil fuel station.

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

@tony ryan No need to ban anything. ICE cars currently cost 3x to 4x more to operate than EVs even though the fossil fuel industry gets more than 5.2 trillion USD in government subsidies per year globally. Reference: www.imf.org/en/Publications/WP/Issues/2019/05/02/Global-Fossil-Fuel-Subsidies-Remain-Large-An-Update-Based-on-Country-Level-Estimates-46509 Total cost of ownership of an EV is already lower than ICE for similar classes of cars. By 2025 to 2030 at latest, it will cost less to build and buy an EV than a comparable ICE, due to falling battery costs. At that point it will both cost more to buy an ICE and 3x to 4x more to operate. Almost no one will buy an ICE at that cost. This is without any subsidies. ICE is already going to be dead for purely economic reasons. And companies that have billions tied up in ICE factories and infrastructure will go bankrupt due to stranded assets since ICE vehicles will be worth almost nothing then. Only manufacturers that rapidly and aggressively move to EVs will survive.

[@unickygtube]

@tony ryan Don't be silly.. Did they ban horses when the motorcar replaced carriages? No. But you don't see many horses on the road nowadays. Because you would be an idiot to contend it's a better way to get from A to B than in the car. You can, however, ride a horse any time you please. Plenty of horse racing, equestrian etc etc. THAT'S the place for ICE cars, not banned, but simply existing as enthusiast, niche sports and hobbies. As it should be. Similar to the insanity of strapping your family onto a horse to travel hundreds of miles because you didn't like newfangled motor cars, a lot of idiots need to be force fed the truth that ICE vehicles are factually, laughably unsuitable and inferior for 90%+ of motoring usage cases.

[@drdrew3]

tony ryan Nobody seriously believes that ICE cars will be around in 30 years. They didn’t need to ban flip phones or Blackberries for them to disappear. Burning hydrocarbons is primitive and unhealthy. It just takes time to open your eyes and accept the “new normal”.

[@odisy64]

@tony ryan i drive nothing but pick up trucks and jeep wranglers, i want gas cars banned as soon as EV's become accessible to 99% of the population which will probably happen in less than 20 years.

[@rwodar9928]

Wrong, you have a ton of voice commands and don’t need to touch the screen for everything on Model 3.

[@siviter]

In no way is the BMW infotainment system better, tell me one thing that is. The Tesla has huge beautiful maps, Spotify built in, you can even watch Netflix on the thing. The only thing you leave open on a car screen is a map, pinch and zoom is the best way to manipulate a map whilst driving.

[@siviter]

UPDATE. Recently released BMW i4 concept uses a touch screen 😂

[@DuesenbergJ]

This is like e test in 1997 between a Nokia and a IPhone and the Reviewer concludes that the buttons on the Nokia are better.

[@davissilvestrs1996]

You’re delusional. Buttons on a car’s infotainment system are infinitely better and safer.

[@drdrew3]

DuesenbergJ Excellent analogy. Everybody who was hating on my original iPhone in 2007 now owns one (and an Apple Watch too). All the Tesla haters now will be driving one within a decade. It’s a transformative experience. My BMW M3 was the worst car I’ve EVER owned

[@McNessie101]

A very apt comparison!!!

[@jeffkeryk3550]

The Tesla Model 3 is a game changer. BMW is scared.

[@limpunsing224]

Model 3 LR for me It's a good time for me to go EV having built a new house with solar panels

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

Solar + EV is a great combination. Drive your car and power your house on sunshine. Energy/cost payback is typically 7 years, then it's free driving and free electricity.

[@mddah01]

@Bong Lim - Agree - we have solar, a house battery and Model 3 - costs nothing to run the car or the house. Plus we only notice power cuts when we go outside to find the neighbourhood in darkness.

[@robertlangham2356]

Yawn

[@bebomac5]

Clicked off when he said BMW’s infotainment system was better.

[@scottizenberg]

Ridiculous comparison. 90% of buyers prefer Tesla. BMW is in serious financial trouble over the next 5-10 yrs

[@Neojhun]

BMW iDrive is infamously bad. Just the recent generation we're designed to patch the fundamental problems of the horrible early iDrive.

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

@@used_user Tesla has fully automatic climate control, and the temperature buttons are at fixed locations on the touch screen. In addition temperature can be adjusted by voice command.

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

There are pros and cons for both cars. Tesla does lack Apple Carplay and Android Auto direct integration, but has an excellent media system of its own. BMW's iDrive seems horribly complex and unintuitive at first, with one nob for accessing many functions, but eventually some people seem to be able to use it well.

[@jezbo7827]

scott i I beg to differ, once the German car brands start entering the EV market properly, Tesla will be history. I think you need to take into account that the build quality and driving experience is what BMW’s are all about. Tesla is poor quality and sell their cars based on a tasty 0-60 acceleration. Look at the new Porsche Taycan, their first all electric car and it drives and fees like a Porsche.....good bye Tesla.

[@siviter]

If you drive the Tesla you won't want any fossil car as a daily. Everything seems old fashioned and quaint once you've drove the digital age. As much as I love all cars, future generations will lump internal combustion and steam engines together in the same lessons at school as they are similar technologies.

[@humphreybradley3060]

Liam Siviter so true!

[@joebloggs4191]

I remember years ago we used to get milk delivered to the house by a man on an electric milk float nobody wished to have an electric car and it certainly wasn't the future. If you are true petrol head yes you might admire things like Teslas but ultimately they are appliances on wheels you just don't get the same sensation as driving something with a characterful petrol engine like in a Porsche or BMW or Ferrari e.g. Yes perhaps it's better than your petrol engined Nissan Micra though.

[@MrGonzonator]

@@joebloggs4191 I used to ride a horse with plenty of character but I wouldn't go back. It stunk, cost a fortune in hay and was always at the vet. Same reason ICE cars are becoming obsolete really.

[@joebloggs4191]

@@MrGonzonator becoming obsolete? hardly! a very long way to go before that happens. Most people cannot afford to buy an EV and there are plenty who live in accommodations around the world that have to park their cars on the street or live in apartments for whom charging an EV at home is an impossibility. Right now only around 2% of all new cars sold is an EV and there are countless of people who never ever buy a new car, many who buy cars that are 5 to 10 years of age. EV will be in the scrap yard by the time they are 10 to 15 years of age as no one will be able to afford to replace the batteries which just like in your mobile devices goes to pot after some use! So what happens to all those highly toxic batteries at that point?

[@siviter]

@@joebloggs4191 I appreciate those things too. But 99% of cars on the road are not exotic. They're diesel Astra's and fiestas.

[@farhatsam8529]

4:06 "The reason BMW infotainment system is better, is because..." this the most subjective argument i have ever heard. Do not throw personal thoughts as if they were general thoughts. In addition everyone apart you will say that the Model 3 infotainment system is better

[@Clarkeyrules1]

farhat Sam all reviews are opinions

[@farhatsam8529]

@@Clarkeyrules1 I don't think the same. A review should only show facts, and if the reviewer wants to share his opinion, in general reviewers add sentences like : 'My preference is ... and it's only my preference', 'I personally prefer.. but it only engages me'. A good reviewer is a honest reviewer

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

@@farhatsam8529 Agree though some things are more subjective than others. For example style is largely a matter of taste. That all said, the Tesla entertainment system is very easy to use and has voice commands and thumb wheel adjustments. And the Model 3 is incredibly well styled aside from the nose. I really like the clean and modern interior of Model 3, though some people may consider it too simple.

[@luis-carneiro]

Petrol car better? Really? Tesla Acceleration is 5.3s 0-60 mph not 6.1! Do you really know what are you talking about?

[@robertlangham2356]

Hmm, a list of one (0-60 time) to help select your next vehicle. I must try this simple methodology. Never mind Tesla, go for a Saturn rocket, that should do the trick 🤣

[@luis-carneiro]

Robert Langham Just stating that they can’t even present correct data. Tesla is much more than just acceleration of course. They also don’t show the price of bmw they are using in the review so that we can compare both models. Unprofessional review to say at least ...

[@walterndlovu7452]

This guy is not American he is not brainwashed by Tesla like you guys. They better ban hybrids and patrol engines to save Tesla

[@luis-carneiro]

Walter Ndlovu Fact: I’m not American! Fact: The review has wrong data! Fact: The review omits relevant data! Fact: I really wish that old school car makers won’t became another Kodak company! Fact: I really wish bmw embrace innovation!

[@andyjackson3663]

@@luis-carneiro I'm typing this no without actually going to check but even i spotted those Tesla 0-60 times and the first thing I said out loud was "thats not right!"

[@nasirshal7633]

I am beginning to love Tesla(model 3)

[@ericschmidt1987]

Don’t test drive it like me. Because it blew my mind and steered me away from being a 3 series buyer. I bought one 3 months later.

[@jonathan6665]

Warning!! If you drive one, you will buy one 👍⚡

[@RockyMountainTesla]

It’s the best car I have ever owned. I mostly drove German brands, BMW, Mercedes B series, and one Toyota Camry Hybrid. The Standard Range Plus beats them in every respect.

[@CC-sp6kl]

@@ericschmidt1987 same here except I ordered one the day after

[@LarsPallesen]

So let me get this straight - according to this reviewer it is more annoying to have a car that automatically remembers all your side mirror and steering wheel settings than it is to have a car where you have to do all the settings manually one by one every time someone else has driven the car before you? Yeah, I'm not sure I agree.

[@MrKlawUK]

agree. I share my 4 series gran coupe with my wife and had to pay extra for electric memory seats (standard on model 3) and it only stores seat + mirror position. She has to still adjust steering wheel every time we swap. Memory on the steering wheel is a nice addition

[@macgibbon]

In addition to the tax savings and the like, for a company car - you also save on maintenance of brakes and tyres, as well as oil and coolant, etc etc, AND the Model 3 has the ability to get out of danger by itself if it senses there is a crash imminent, even if you're not in autopilot.

[@jools2323]

Tyre wear on the Tesla is slightly higher as it has more weight. Other than that, maintenance is much cheaper.

[@joebloggs4191]

Get out of danger is a crash is imminent? so why have many died behind the wheel of a Tesla?

[@rossmc40]

@@joebloggs4191 because no matter how clever the car is it cant always compensate for the stupidity of the people behind the wheel of it or other cars. Tesla's have a much lower accident rate than cars without their safety tech, it's just the fact the media jump on every incident that involves one that gives the false impression otherwise.

[@joebloggs4191]

@@rossmc40 Well if it detects an accident is imminent and takes evasive action what does the stupidity of it's driver have to do with it? Fact is that both these cars and plenty other ICE powered cars have 5 star safety ratings.

[@rossmc40]

@@joebloggs4191 because not even a computer can react fast enough to move a 2 ton object travelling at 70 mph out of the way quickly enough every time. It also cant overcome the stupidity of someone smashing into the back of you if there is nowhere for the car to go to avoid it. Have a look on youtube there are hundreds of videos of Tesla's avoiding accident other cars would have plowed straight into.

[@Tilten]

Model 3: ” It’s a touchscreen, so you have to look at it, it’s distracting.” BMW 3 ”It’s better, you have a dial”...but you still have to look a the screen, right? So how is it better and less distracting?

[@bikesqump]

Tomas L i put it on autopilot if i need to fiddle with something on the screen but i have to get better about using voice ctrl... im old!

[@lebomangena9801]

Try driving a car with touch screen and buttons and then tell us which one is better to use while driving. It’s not even close

[@Tilten]

Lebo Mangena ...but it’s not about driving the car, it’s how you control the infotainment system. Try controlling an Ipad with a dial. Silly.

[@lebomangena9801]

Tomas L not sure if you are aware of this but this discussion is about cars so unless you spend a lot of time in stationary cars, how you operate it while driving is more important than when stationary.

[@Tilten]

Lebo Mangena This discussion is about the claim in the video that it’s easier and less distracting to use your fingers to manuever a dial to control settings on a screen THAN using your finger and pointing at the screen. Whatever method you chose, you still have too look at the screen, and I argue that it’s quicker and easier to use your finger. That is also why phones and tablets don’t have dials. When you drive a car, quick an easy means less distraction.

[@stefanoromei1094]

i'm a bmw client since many years...but i tried the model3 long range AWD and performance....i have been really impressed from these cars.on the road teslas are very fast and agile.the performances are crazy...so,maybe not for drifting but for the real life , i admit tesla is the "ultimate driving machine"...

[@trueblue4l1f3]

So hyped for my model 3 lr awd! Few more weeks!! 😁

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

Enjoy! Model 3 is arguably the best compact sedan made: smooth, quiet, quick, modern, excellent suspension and steering, neural network driving, etc. There's a reason Tesla has sold more than 500,000 Model 3s in a relatively very short time.

[@drdrew3]

trueblue4l1f3 It’s damn near perfect. I just want to get in mine right now and drive somewhere. ANYWHERE! I got a new job with a 60 minute commute each way. Driving the Tesla is transformative and therapeutic. The paradox of silence with instant torque is seductive AF

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

@@drdrew3 It's all of it: the silence, torque, acceleration, handling, automation, smoothness, styling, modernity, energy efficiency, constant improvements by over the air updates, etc. Tesla has made the best possible case for EVs by making a truly excellent car. It's the result of a lot of hard work by a great team and visionary. There's a reason Model 3 is selling as fast as they can be built with zero dollars of advertising. Model Y should do even better.

[@cbromley562]

In our SR+ now. Several hundred miles from home. When you get a Tesla, you just want to drive.......all the time. And it keeps getting better.

[@drdrew3]

C Bromley I dare you to test drive a Tesla DM LR AWD (or Performance). Looks nearly identical to your SR+ but orders of magnitude more thrilling. The look on people’s face is priceless feeling that instant torque for the first time. I’m addicted

[@cbromley562]

@@drdrew3 You don’t have to dare me Andrew, we did consider them. And we’re tempted. Decided in the end, to go for the SR+, as it was less expensive, and had all the qualities, and more, that we needed. It is, seriously quick in its own right. Accelerating up steep hills, is a thing of beauty.

[@Scruffmcbufff]

I’ve driven both the SR+ and the 330i for 2 weeks. I now own a model 3 SR+ Enough said

[@DirtRat62]

Why do you guys always go on about how quick these cars can turn into corners etc? Have you tried that with the wife and kids in the car? I have, and all I got was a bent left ear and a back seat full of sick! That is why we are getting a model 3 in September! ( Working on the wife for a Cayman for me!)

[@ouethojlkjn]

Yep the usual reviewer who gets to play with a car for the day, shredding the tyres then droning on about the nuanced toe-in due to the active suspension tungsten lift flanges.

[@hammertimee777]

This is an example of biased journalism. While the BMW 3 series is a great handling car, it does not handle better than the Model 3. The Model 3 does not have an engine in the front and it has a lower center of gravity than a Porsche 911. It handles better than the 3 series. Just because the Model 3 SR+ has a little more body roll than the 3 series doesn't make it a better handler. The reviewer may be more familiar with the handling of the BMW and thus feel more comfortable with it. The Model 3 has the weight distribution and center of gravity of a super car. It just needs slightly stiffer suspension to exploit the chassis.

[@mlhutche]

If you add the M suspension option, the cost brings the Performance Model 3 into play, which has far better performance.

[@kinjat561]

mlhutche still a heavy pig in corners though

[@Robbie6298]

@@kinjat561 Not really, almost every objective review has the Model 3 performance eating BMW M3s for lunch on the track. Here's one of them from top gear. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eoS1iH6urtmKapI

[@AOTanoos22]

@@Robbie6298 You do realize that the BMW top gear used is the last gen BMW 3 series from 2012, right ? That car is even older than the very first Model S...

[@brushlessmotoring]

This was an awesome comparison, very fair and balanced, and a solid summary of both vehicles. One notion that does have to be squashed is the idea you _can't_ own an electric if you don't have a driveway - this just isn't true. I park a Model 3 on street, do a weekly top up at the local community centre, or use super chargers on big trips. It's not _as_ convenient as a home charger, but it is very workable. Charging at work is also worth asking about.

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

For those who *can* charge at home or work, you plug in when you arrive and have a full charge before you leave. For home use (with electricity where you park) you typically set a timer so it charges late at night when the grid is underloaded, and electric rates are cheapest. It's incredibly convenient to start any day with a "full tank" and never go to a fossil fuel station. Fast chargers are generally only used for long road trips, as you note. People seem very confused about this, assuming that a fast charger is like a fossil fuel station. When you can charge virtually anywhere with electricity, the latter is decidedly not the case. Charging is actually more convenient since any time/place a car is parked can be used to charge, provided electricity is available, and there aren't many buildings/facilities that people drive to that don't have electricity. In the long term, charge points will be available for most parking spaces.

[@AOTanoos22]

try doing it in a big city in Europe, like Paris, London, Berlin etc. you can not charge your car at your home since you obviously park your car on the street and live in a building with multiple floors from where its impossible to charge your car. At work its the same story, going once a week to a supercharger is also no option since the superchargers are outside of the city or on the outskirts so it would take me at least half an hour to drive to that location if there is no traffic, let alone charge the car all the way up and drive half an hour back. The only way i could charge it is at a public charger 15 minutes away from me which is a slow 50kw charger, so if i'd charge the car once a week with a 50kw charger i would literally spend hours every week just waiting for the car to get charged. So still i would take an ICE car at any day of the week over an EV.

[@karlod2630]

159g/km of CO2 is not correct. You must add 300 g/km for making and delivering 1 litre of petrol/diesel to petrol station. 459 g/km of CO2 is correct.

[@crazyfroggie6546]

How much co2 to build , transport and install hundreds of giant wind farms to generate some electricity

[@tagg8233]

@@crazyfroggie6546 This is one of the most thick-headed things I've read in quite a whilr

[@Haldexify]

Chris R making electricity in my country is by water. So very good. And i know that in 30 years, 85% electricity will be from reusable sources (water, wind, solar)

[@Haldexify]

Chris R darling, here are the stats from my country; 95,3 % water 2,4 % heat (burned waste) 2,3 wind Norway.

[@Haldexify]

Chris R sry didnt catch that. English is my 3rd language. Anyway. I am talking about the future posibilities, while you are focusing on today’s constraints and using that as an explanation why EVs are no good. EVs are the furure

[@RealEconomics_]

The BMW has a better infotainment system. You're joking, right?

[@DuddiPranav]

No, he is right , I have owned a tesla model 3 since 2019 and this year i ordered a BMW x5 and I think the infotainment in the BMW smashes the one of the Tesla in every way, It is just so initiuitive to use while you are driving and quite frankly in standstill as well. I don´t think any car brand ca replace the german car brands. They are at their own league.

[@mikkelstormhansen9733]

@@DuddiPranav Yeah no, the infotainment is way behind, why do you think that the Tesla doesn't have Apple carplay? (besides Elon not liking Apple) It doesn't need it

[@TheWinstn60]

Ohh dear the infotainment system is better in the 3 series? I must have mis heard that

[@aaronmckeever3601]

Definitely model 3

[@paulmew2293]

Probably the least accurate and informative review I’ve ever seen. Stats wrong, no pricing information on the BMW or options, even contradict themselves during the review, early on saying that the BMW is better equipped, then at the end saying the Tesla is better equipped?. Lazy journalism at it’s finest

[@ltrtg13]

Yes I can always choose an EV. I would prefer a modern drivetrain. Not some Victorian stream engine. That has been modified to use cancer causing fluid that is more dangerous the some batteries.

[@lachlanB323]

@@ButterWaffen Dude on average electric vehicles produce 4x less C02 when the electricity is 100% non-renewable

[@garyco766]

@@ButterWaffen I think you are confusing nickel with cobalt, which they use more of in refining petrol than in batteries FYI. There is a lot of misinformation spread about EV batteries. like the whole gas vs coal argument, and the cobalt thing. Jason has a great video debunking all of this on Engineering Explained channel (which mostly covers petrol cars, he doesn't have a bias on this).

[@deshshillingford]

@@lachlanB323Dosent change the fact that actually making the batteries is actually very polluting.

[@lachlanB323]

@@deshshillingford True but it's getting better. Btw this was taken into the equation. But yes it's not good. But it's definitely way better than fuel vehicles.

[@OzMediaOfficial]

As someone who loves BMWs idrive system, and really cannot get behind Tesla's looks, both interior and exterior, I am really looking forward to the BMW i4.

[@ClarenceSnickerstheonlyone]

Pretty good overall review but common the 3-series having a better infotainment system? That’s a joke!

[@farhatsam8529]

4:06 that was my comment above

[@e-herm2726]

Clarence Snickers ..it is purely an advertising stunt for bmw..TESLA does not advertise, so they cannot earn anything there

[@e-herm2726]

Chris R ... They are fed by the conservative Autolobby .. go try it yourself I would say

[@ClarenceSnickerstheonlyone]

Chris R I’ve extensively used both, to this day I still rent 3-series while on the move. But I know people with the Model 3 and the infotainment is just another level. I don’t know, maybe it’s a generational thing, big screens doesn’t scare us millennials, and we develop muscle memory for it very quickly, but not quickly enough for the span of a review like this. It’s literally my only complaint about this review everything else is on point but the infotainment in the model 3 is so much more advanced it’s a joke to pretend there’s something better on the market when nothing come close.

[@pongpanlak1759]

Owning BMW cars for over 10 years, it is now the time to part with BMW (for good). The values of BMWs drop like crazy for even 3 years of use. I Have my Model Y for less than a month and I don't feel like I want to drive the BMW at all.

[@radiculus27]

My thought exactly. Long time bmw/merc owner here. I got a mode y with good build quality. Way better than any German car that I have owned coming for m and amg. I have a car I can drive like a Prius and get 100+ mpge. Or I can drive aggressive and get supercar performance. I used to have a Prius for daily and amg/m for weekend. Got rid of both Prius and German cars and now I have the best of both worlds

[@CFG39]

Model 3 FTW. NO contest here. I’ve owned a ton of different cars. My Model 3 Performance is by far my favorite car I’ve ever owned and it’s the first EV I’ve ever owned. It’s so fast, fun to drive and the simplicity of the controls makes it a joy to use, whereas my mum has a new E-Class estate and literally can’t figure out how to do anything because of the 6985 buttons, dials, touchpads , etc. Model 3 is so straightforward.

[@ouethojlkjn]

My father-in-Law got a C class estate and he's just given up on trying to figure it all out. a touch pad, a rotary dial (that is also a mouse) and other buttons behind and in front of the dial and others below the touch screen - that isn't as it turned out, a touch screen. The mapping is painfully slow, you have to pay a subscription to keep the maps current. It's last decade drivel.

[@kumarraj2012]

I love how the world has evolved to my likings. Almost everyone here is in favor of Model 3 and as an EV enthusiast, I love it.. EVolution..!👌👌😘😘

[@MegaCommissar]

If you dont want to go through the menu, you could hold the microphone button down and say "Adjust mirrors" and you're there.

[@chrisabbott683]

Henning Syversen you can even specify which mirror so you say adjust right mirror and it’s already selected you just use the thumb wheel.

[@pratik1568]

The new 3 series is absolutely gorgeous BMW really nailed the design on this one

[@abrahamgalvez7091]

Great video! But you left out voice commands that are available so the driver doesn’t even need to touch the screen while driving.

[@nicholasmcmorrisdaye149]

I don't see how you're comparing old ass technology to new technology and saying that the old as technology is better BMW has been using that rotary dial for the past 20 years like how much is BMW paying you to sell this old shitt

[@Th3Vik1ng]

So new = always better? Then why is Ligitech still making some of their top gaming mice with a cable?

[@dr-sy1fs]

LOL yep

[@LarsPallesen]

I think he's just parroting what car reviewers have been saying for the past 20 years; "BMW's iDrive is the best car infotainment system". Yeah, it used to be in the world of ICE cars - but that was before Tesla completely changed the paradigm. Claiming that a little 7 inch screen and a dial is better than a 15" responsive touch display is just ridiculous.

[@X862go]

Wow that tesla looks amazing 🤩🤩🙋‍♂️🙋‍♂️ I have a 3 series it is in the shop almost once a month trash 🤔.. the information screen is dead ass slow definitely getting a Tesla in 2020🤞

[@randyhare6527]

It’s obvious they were trying their best to appease the source of their income, while at the same time gaining the clicks from having Tesla in the title. Haha the petrol car is now so much more expensive, they have to use the disclaimer “if money is no object”. The depreciation on that 3 series is going to be so much faster than it has in years past, you’d have to really be wanting to throw money away to buy one. If you haven’t driven a Tesla yet, I highly recommend it, just be warned, you’ll want your checkbook with you.

[@ouethojlkjn]

The other thing no reviewer talks about is all the plastic finding its way into modern engines, along with turbos, sensors, plumbing. It all works fine for about the duration of the warranty but after 3 years, you better not be the mug holding the melted plastic.

[@fraggod]

Dont like the outcome of this video, seems biased to BMWs favor.

[@LarsPallesen]

He certainly tried his best to make the BMW come out on top as the better car - even if it means having to claim that manually adjusting the side mirrors and steering wheel is better than having the car remember all settings for you automatically and claiming the BMW's iDrive infotainment is better than Tesla's 15 inch touch display! Yeah, he tried.

[@RussMEagle]

Technik und Co But the Tesla won?

[@tnickknight]

Watch something else , there are thousands of videos worshiping Teslas

[@fraggod]

@@tnickknight I watch what I want, but really taking a >300 hp electric car and test it vs a 181 bhp petrol car and then say that the bmw is more pleasant to drive is not honest. I like the styling of the BMW, not so the IC-Engine. But if you ever driven an electric car and felt the instant torque you understand the hype. Friend of mine got a Nissan Leaf, and it would nail down my old (sold) BMW Z4 2.5 192 bhp. It feels much quicker, sure got some drawbacks (charging) but our cars standing still 90% of time, so if you could plug it in.. I have driven Model S few days and sometime the Leaf, I got hyped, so my Model 3 is ordered and I get it soon. No hate

[@markjames2338]

Dude, how old is your Tesla SW? I don't use the screen, I just tell the car what music to play, or whatever I want it to do.

[@mukamuka0]

Model 3 already has extensive list of voice command. You can control most of the function through voice. If you want to open a glove box, just press steering wheel and say "open glove box".

[@stevecox4465]

I own a model 3 and it is WAY better than any BMW that I have owned or driven. My previous BMW i3 constantly broke so was constantly given appalling BMW 3 series replacements. I can’t believe that a supposed responsible journalist is promoting shocking dinosaur burning and polluting car.

[@chrisabbott683]

Chris R Want to produce some evidence to back up your first statement?

[@stevecox4465]

Chris R I suppose that you are so ignorant to understand that digging up oil, transporting it half way round the world, refining it, transporting it again is HUGELY carbon intensive. When are idiots like you going to realise that we must stop burning stuff to prevent a climate disaster??!! And btw, the Tesla comes with indicators which is seemingly an option few BMW drivers choose!

[@chrisabbott683]

Chris R I think it’s fair to say there’s no type of car that does no harm at all. The issue is whether ICE cars or battery EVs are more harmful. I’ve seen no evidence to support the latter to be honest. And they produce no local pollution. That’s a pretty big deal.

[@stevecox4465]

Chris R complete nonsense and you are very ill informed. I suggest you get your facts straight. Batteries will last twice as long as a petrol or Diesel engine and then can be repurposed after being in a car. Then they can be 100% recycled into new batteries. Lithium isn’t toxic and makes up a very small amount of a battery. Cobolt is being reduced in batteries (and is also used to remove sulphur from the emissions when oil is refined). Electric cars are also energy agnostic (they don’t care where it comes from) so they can be charged from wind, solar etc (I bet you have some equally bullshit facts!)

[@chrisabbott683]

steve cox I believe cobalt levels are being reduced and may be zero before long.

[@NaokiWatanabe]

"Petrol vs electric" seems a dangerous oversimplification for choosing to accelerate the downfall of civilization and, you know, not doing that.

Not expert in handling or build quality but to say that BMW has a better info system than Tesla it’s show that you don’t nothing about software and technology... maybe if you are 60 years old and you still use Nokia Cellular you will find BMW info system better... but if you our born in Touchscreen era... you will hate those 1000 buttons and that old fashion way from display. I don’t expect that Tesla will beat in the next 5-10 years BMW, VW, Mercedes in handling, build quality because they have 100+ years experience, but when it comes to Software and the Hardware from Software TESLA it’s much much much better. For people like me, in love with technology Tesla will be the only option. I don’t own a Tesla, not yet, but after you drive a Tesla couple of hundred miles any other car that you will drive will feel that you traveled in the past and very boring.

[@RemoteSpeed007]

Not an age problem, I'm 60 and drive a MB, they just don't understand all the advantages of a Tesla. My next car will need to be an EV, with the best tech and performance.

[@cyber3tesla83]

credibility lost at infotainment better in bmw. and 0 to 60 is way quicker than 6 seconds. it's 5.2 sec

[@chrisabbott683]

Chris R I would agree I-drive was better until Tesla recently sorted their voice control system.

[@cyber3tesla83]

@Chris R old ass outdated infotainment system sure bud countless other reviewers have even clearly stated the model 3 infotainment as superior. you know what else used a scroll wheel,blackberry and look at that no one uses that anymore.

[@waynerussell6401]

@Chris R www.consumerreports.org/automotive-technology/choose-an-infotainment-system-you-will-love/

[@CATCHMOUSKY1949]

Your missing the fundamental point the internal combustion engine is dead!

[@drdrew3]

CATCHMOUSKY1949 A few years back BMW actually pledged to stop making ICE cars by a certain deadline (?2025?). Now they realize they don’t have the engineering chops to compete and instead are focusing on anti-EV propaganda. The flat-Earthers have a more convincing argument than the ICE manufacturers do

[@josephhardwicke6344]

@@drdrew3 you have no fucking clue what you're saying.

[@TheJohndoes1]

My P3D has voice recognition that works great and I’ve not come across a bmw that can stay with me yet and apart from century mode it will record the last ten minutes of driving if you press the horn or touch the screen great if you have or see a accident

[@imstillminty337]

The tesla model 3’s 0-60 is 5.3

[@teslasnek]

When talking about the infotainment systems, you forgot to mention that the Model 3's allows the owner to watch KZbin, Netflix, and Hulu full screen on its 15 inch Full HD 1080p screen, and that those features, along with others and future features, were added via OTA software updates that didn't require the car be brought into a dealership.

[@nickbaker4857]

Your knees seem to be at the same angle in the back of the BMW, does it have a battery under the floor as well?

[@chrisabbott683]

Nick Baker Plus he could’ve slid his feet further forward to reduce the knee angle.

[@glideman]

I’d have the Tesla any day over a bmw🤟⚡️⚡️👍

[@subevo35]

Seems biased due to the real 0-60 is. 5.3 secs for Tesla and infotainment is unmatched .

[@demon6garra]

Biggest thing that wasn’t compared is maintaining the car... wait until you need to change a single part under the hood of the bmw, made that mistake.

[@stevejoneswildwriter]

You forgot to mention that the Tesla is an appreciating asset, whereas the BMW will be banned soon and that'll greatly diminish its re-sale value...

[@Commentator541]

Steve Jones Lol tesla is NOT an appreciating asset.

[@hakantopkaya3150]

And BMW won't be banned ANYTIME SOON

[@son_o_day]

@@hakantopkaya3150 Yeah they won't be banned they'll just go bankrupt cuz they didn't switch to making electric cars.

[@hakantopkaya3150]

@@son_o_day Don't be silly, they've already begun making electric cars... nearly all of them

[@Behzad_abd]

Would have been nicer to call them bmw and tesla. I got confused so many times between model 3 and 3 series... :) good video though

[@gianluca.g]

I prefer my horse over this new soulless ICE engine. It's more fun to ride, it requires inexpensive water and grass, goes offroad, jumps over fences, and most importantly it parks on its own.

[@USUG0]

you have also to consider that if you buy them with your own money, in five years time, the residual value of the BMW will be 0.

[@BK-px7ds]

What?

[@USUG0]

@@BK-px7ds buy the bmw and try to resell it in 5 years, and let me know how it goes

[@elcarmi]

How are you saying “181 miles real range” with a straight face??

[@Elonpocalyps420]

elcarmi he literally pulled those numbers out of his ass

[@RockyMountainTesla]

It really depends on conditions I suppose. 250 miles EPA is lower at highway speeds. I agree they should say what they are using for their test procedures. We haven’t driven our 2019 SR+ in summer conditions too much, but I would guarantee we can get 100% of rated range on a nice summer day with city driving! But I would say real world would be 90% to 10% because we only charge to 100% at the start of a trip. Since we have 19” wheels, it’s a few percent less efficient and we are at 5% battery degradation, 100% rated is 360 km / 225 miles now, so 225 x 80% (90 to 10) is 180 miles at 100% efficiency. But I doubt that is what they are saying.

[@elcarmi]

@@RockyMountainTesla It is misleading to say the least

[@drdrew3]

Rocky Mountain Tesla These reviewers understand the BMW because it fits with their ingrained traditional expectations of what a car has been. You really need to live with a Tesla for a few weeks to appreciate an entirely different model for fueling and interacting with your vehicle. My BMW was just a tool for getting around - my Tesla is integrated into my lifestyle and much more satisfying. I don’t miss my Beemer or Mercedes for a second

[@RockyMountainTesla]

Andrew Leavitt I don’t miss our Mercedes either!

[@astroplutonium]

Had a 330e last year. Have a Model 3 LR 2021 now. The Model 3 bounces more on the streets. Does not like pot holes or uneven roads. BMW is a more comfortable ride because it is lighter. Model 3 is speed machine. I had it 3 months on Chill because we have ice on roads and witched it to ''Normal'' today and my face has changed a bit.... But still the 330e is a much more comfortable ride.

[@EV-Diary]

Live the video abi5 confused with you didn’t compare it to the 330e

[@andrewpetrella1787]

6.1 seconds 0-60? It's more like 5.4 if not faster

[@emilesprenger]

"I just want to say one word: Over The Air updates" BMW is a fossil

[@Pipsicle330]

My BMW updates its iDrive whilst parked.

[@Helloooooo]

pipsicle that’s three words

[@joebloggs4191]

Over the air hacking!

[@AOTanoos22]

"one word"...read that again but loud and slowly

[@Themazcorner]

Thanks for the video. Should have included the 330e instead with regards to the tax charges and running costs.

[@AscendedSaiyan3]

Tesla Model 3 Performance beats all BMW 3 Series versions around a track (not just a straight line).

[@AscendedSaiyan3]

@Chris R YES...it DOES. It has even beat a Ferrari 458 Italia around a track. Ask the professional driver that did it (Randy Pobst).

[@markrobin9566]

Chris R lol re: Argument Clinic, John Cleese & Michael Palin.

[@AscendedSaiyan3]

@Chris R I just gave you the information. You are just a quick search away, for ridding yourself of your current ignorance, on the subject.

[@Steve30x]

I would pick the BMW not because it's petrol but because it's got the speedo and other things where they should be. I don't like the way there is nothing but a huge tablet on the middle of dashboard in the Tesla. That BMW dashboard and interior is so much nicer too. I also love the way that tab .... Infotainment thing isn't stuck onto the top of the dashboard like most cars these days. Give me the BMW as an electric car and it would still be the car I would choose.

[@Steve30x]

@Ru55o Gaming Renault twizzy?

[@atthelord]

Just waiting for an all electric 3 series. I’d buy it the day it launches. Till then, imma save up for a model 3.

[@ferkert114]

@@markplott4820 i totally agree.... But maybe he is really a BMW fan....

[@atthelord]

Mark Plott I really really love the model 3 performance and actually want to get one, and its my favourite car on the market today. My only gripe with is that I don’t like the interiors. I know it sounds stupid, but I like the gimmicky mood lighting, contrast stitching and the subjectively better audio system with the gesture control stuff and in general the look of the cabin of the 3 series. I like it a lot but can’t get myself to buy a internal combustion engine car again. (even though I currently drive one, the next will be all electric for me) Btw the model 3 performance is the one that outperforms the M3 on the track. That’s 60k GBP, quite a lot more than 35k USD 😅but I know what you’re saying and kinda agree.

[@qwxs963]

Arman Talwar wait what ???A 2020 car that costs 70.000 euro beats a 2013 car, ow my god thats like amazing 😉. Listen to yourself. I have a g21 (touring) 330i a beautiful car compared to the plastic toy car look of the model 3. The front of the model 3 is just sadly build, they could have made is so much better. But they had to make a cheap car to save their skin. I did testdrive the model 3, i might have considered it if the handeling & looks were better & if the infotaintment was not bad with touch only (super dangerous while driving) .And (sorry to say it) bad voice control in dutch. ( the bmw voice control is Bad as well only thing that works perfect is the “hey bmw” part) but you have the perfect working wheel to control the screen & toutch & gesture control. No need to almost crash just to make the volume of the stereo louder. Buttons > touch while driving.

[@Stug665]

Would have made more sense with the comparisons mentioned if it was against a 330e!?

[@dickmartino9933]

Thanks. The M3 wins hands down for being electric and green.

[@GrumpyFink]

A company providing a £30K 3 series will not fork out an additional £20K+ for a Model 3. Also the 3 series looks batter and is a nicer place to be.

[@nurbsenvi]

Yeah but that BMW will be worth 20k after a year

[@crazyfroggie6546]

Might be worth 20k but the dealer network will ask 25k

[@drdrew3]

RandomTechS@#T Latest figures show the yearly depreciation of Tesla is least of any car on the road - just 5% in first year. But if you shop for a 1-2 year old used Tesla you will actually find almost same selling price as a new one. The used ones sell within hours (or minutes) of appearing on the website. So there’s a virtual wait list for even a USED Tesla - amazing!

[@teslateslo89]

it's nice to see Chris Martin from Coldplay is reviewing cars now.

[@dustinricks5464]

The BMW just seems outdated. Maybe we should bring back the horse and buggy.

[@gazlives]

bmw infotainment better? Because rotary dial. Lol. This is the blackberry of cars

[@maurizionaldi1124]

I think in the UK at the moment, electric is always the better choice...the infrastructure is there, the cars all have sufficient range. Its a matter of mentality, some people just don't want change, but the world will move foward anyway.

[@richardglover314]

You hit the nail on the head, like any good EV the model 3 will be addictive, once you have one, there's no going back. So think carefully before you buy.

[@Pepniti]

I’ve driven both g20 330e and model 3 SR+. The Tesla is so much better I ordered one for myself.

[@jct4111]

How did the acceleration compare to the 330e? Was the sr+ considerably quicker?

[@hwajuhwarang]

Wow, how much did BMW or BP pay you for that review, so one sided! Your career in this segment has just become way more limited.

[@jnergo8406]

Daniel Perez can you elaborate ? The review is well balanced, and the Tesla wins... Having driven both, I find this review very accurate, and it confirms my conclusion : if you’re passionate about driving, the bmw rewards you more, but as a company car will cost you nearly 2x as much, which is impossible to justify. The Model 3 is very cool, very practical, and drives very well, but is let down by its steering : precise, but without feeling, it’s like making love with a beautiful doll 🤭

[@hwajuhwarang]

@@jnergo8406 look back at your words, in particular, the first few minutes. You immeadiately favoured the BMW whilst sitting in the T3. You began by saying, one thing after another, that the BM was better. This was before you even sat in the BM. The preferred bias was obvious to me so much so that I stopped watching the video after only a few minutes. I was not looking for what was better, rather I was looking for a straight forward comparison. I have not been in either car, so was keen to get a balanced review. I stand by my original comment. Thank you for your reply.

[@quantaca5773]

@@jnergo8406 passionate about driving is one thing, but how many time can you actually drive in a "spirited" way, on the edge diving from corner to corner ? it would be nice if car reviews focus more on actual day to day driving ability, like, how does it behave in a city, on a highway, heavy traffic, speed bumps, driving comfort, easy to park (at times the view is so attrocious, though sensors/camera's help). is the boot space actually usable (i mean knowing the liters is nice but there's cars with a big boot space and a trunk opening where you barely can fit a large hardshell luggage case through). accellerating onto the highway, and something like 30/40-70/90 kph accelleration for passing a slow vehicle on a 2 lane. and yes, testing behaviour in fast corners is also a safety feature but i mean these are supposed to be daily drivers and not performance cars (or versions)

[@jamesw5719]

Why didn't you use a hybrid BMW 330E in this test?

[@DanielDuese]

James Willmott too expensive compared to the Model 3

[@jamesw5719]

@@DanielDuese Tesla is £42k (less £3.5k govt incentive) and 330e is from £40k (less any discount). Still can't see why they used a 320i?

[@madman4286]

@@jamesw5719 because they wanted to compare full petrol vs electric, just for the show.

[@radiculus27]

My Tesla gets used much more than the other cars. Low maintenance and just as fast or faster. Plus I make my own premium fuel from the sun as I have solar.

[@sybaseguru]

Tested by a dinosaur, you allowed BMW to set the agenda and looked at tick boxes. As a result you missed most of the Tesla tech - voice controls, auto wipers, headlights etc that work. BMW claims to have some of it, but its 20 year old obsolete technology.

[@richardlabeja]

I will buy the BMW i4 next year.

[@ouethojlkjn]

Let's hope they get it out on time. No more delays people. It's always jam tomorrow.

[@danielbroad]

This was pretty fair. If i was making this choice I don't think i'd be able to get over the thought that with the BMW i was choosing the past and with the Tesla the future. However for some that might be just the reason to buy the BMW....

[@mr8I7]

It’s certainly closer than you would expect this early in the EVs life. I would stick with the BMW for now and wait to see the charging network improve before fully committing to an EV just yet. Might not be long though and it’s hard not to root for EVs for the air quality improvements it’s going to bring.

[@enoughofthis]

Keep your 100 years old bmw tech

[@robster2.0go76]

1000 times rather BMW than tesla! You want to drive YOURSELF in a CAR? Not a smucked up invalid car, where musk decides how and where you go!

[@descb600f]

0 - 60 in 6.1 for the Tesla. Really because more is more like 5.3. Where does your number come from.

[@mihnealazar7039]

Maybe they tested it instead of taking the number from the website idk

[@descb600f]

@@mihnealazar7039 well they should sack the guy then anyone can very close to the claimed fiqure in a Tesla. Just search SR+ in KZbin and people are doing mid 5 seconds. But hey don't let real world testing influence you.

[@mihnealazar7039]

descb600f ok then, just thinking where they got that figure from

[@chrisabbott683]

It’s definitely under 6. Mine feels nearly as quick as my previous M135i which did it in about 4.8. A few months ago it got a 5% power increase via an over the air update. Never had that in 30 years of ICE cars!

[@andreaboioni1760]

Not only the 0-60 time, but also the bhp since Tesla SR+ has 283 and not 235 as indicated in the video