2020 Toyota 4Runner TRD PRO Review and Off Road Snow Adventure

[@chrisgleeton6823]

That was an EXCELLENT demonstration of the effectiveness of airing down the tires. And completely by accident, too. I think that moment should be highlighted. Good Work!

[@ffbeardedprince8693]

Toyota engines are bulletproof. Never change

[@bigoneish]

What about all the head gasket issues they've had with other engines?

[@nathanpaullloyd]

Didn’t age well lmao

[@TheJoshuaborden]

Why does no one ever talk about Toyota’s amazing ATrack system? It works great.

[@MidnughtMerauders]

Atrac, which is called MTS in the newer Toyotas. MTS is a variable ATRAC that allows you to adjust the amount of slip allowed before intervention. For instance in mud you wouldn't want super early brake intervention because a spinning wheel is good where as on rock you would.

[@ghpatriot]

@@MidnughtMerauders My 4 Runner has MTS and ATRAC so...

[@ghpatriot]

@@MidnughtMerauders You can literally see the ATRAC button at 3:17 hahahahahahahahaha

[@MidnughtMerauders]

@@ghpatriot that's great. Learn more about your truck. MTS is an adjustable atrac.

[@riggsrunneroffroad7907]

@@MidnughtMerauders MTS (multi terrain select) is in addition to atrac. It adds throttle response into the mix

[@andyham6094]

Damn I get 16 mpg combined and my 2018 4runner has a 2 and a half inch lift and bigger tires and heavier wheels on it along with other armor. Either way the 4Runner is my favorite vehicle. Absolutely have no complaints besides the mpg but it’s a sacrifice i make for the enjoyment, reliability, piece of mind, and knowing this machine can take me anywhere anytime and bring me back.

[@eatonuter7113]

I thoroughly enjoyed this. Really cool seeing how this works as far as the snow was concerned. The 4Runner can certainly do it all!

[@CACressida]

4wd high is shift on the fly. No need to stop.

[@JPdaBiggaFigga]

Right! This guy is a fool.

[@OfficerCalebski]

As long as you’re 50mph or below! Love my 2020 venture edition

[@drn13355]

@Jared Stevens Hey does the venture have blind spot monitor?

[@wolfeyez300]

Jared Stevens Agreed. While powertrain was not necessarily the reason I chose my Venture, the drivetrain is proven and all the bugs have been worked out throughs the years.

[@wolfeyez300]

Daniel happy No

[@mercurials54]

Just did a road trip along the Oregon coast on my 4th gen and I averaged 16.9 mpg w/ 33s, the only thing the 4Runner needs is a 6sp transmission.

[@tex168]

16 limited 4x4, 245k @ 18.3mpg

[@frankzhong9402]

That 8 speed in the current sienna and 3.5 v6 in a current 4 runner would be perfect 😍

[@Kodazot]

I wish 6spd or they must option special.

[@CDub-np1cc]

Fun video. Love my T4R. Theres a good reason why the 4Runner doesn't have all sorts of extras and the same engine its had 4ever. Nothing breaks. Ever. And when you are in the middle of nowhere you know it will get you home every time in any weather.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

17:50 - the best moment of the video 😉

[@breeze787]

My wife has recently had her eye on a 4Runner up from her initial interest a RAV4. What a coincidence. For the last 2 years she's been scouring up everything about RAV4's. And then just recently she's been talking a 4Runner. This is from a lady who's already had 3 4Runners and got another one for her son. After watching this video I am really impressed with the 4Runner and I really hate to say this but I really like that Army Green 4Runner but my wife doesn't care for that color. Thanks for putting this up I enjoyed looking at possibly our next vehicle.

[@MsRizzo69]

Tell her the new Lunar Rock is an awesome color 👍🏽 she’ll love it!

[@fuckinmetal1982]

more Karleena, she's beautiful and has a great personality for this. great host/co-host potential and also good to get a females perspective. i'm in the market for a trd pro now and my wife obviously plays a big part in my decision given she will be using the suv as much as me when hauling around our son! keep up the good work!

[@ftabrane]

Karleena is the start, what a great personality, she makes the video really fun, congrats

[@anthonyrosa5006]

Laughing at stuff that's not funny? It gets really annoying and seems phony and forced.

[@lordsknight4516]

And she looks good!

[@Ahrobak]

i agree happy person having a good time

[@bathingtiger4925]

Anthony Rosa lol true

[@bishopscore]

She is a lovely lady.

[@houla]

Did you ever lock the rear diff? Try A trac?

[@mattfamilydetectorist]

The Dewalt Air compressor is fantastic! I do love mine.

[@bohan9957]

Two sets of words: "snow chains" "don't stop" Both will work like a charm.

[@proconsumersafety]

I agree. I have grown up by ski resorts in the mountains, icy roads and deep snow, with 4wd or AWD with snow chains is the best. Often necessary were we live.

[@g.fortin3228]

I never thought airing down would help so much. So good to know. Might need to get an inflator now ! Karleena is a cool co-pilot for sure !! Keep the 4runner stuff coming !

[@sostrucking]

You can get accessories that you can get to air down all 4 at same time to a specific pressure. Just look up offloading clubs to see what one's work best and how far down you can go.

[@Marco-ce8kr]

23:02 it was the very right time to use crawl control

[@maicol67]

Same for 25:08 IMHO

[@puregsr]

I can attest that the snow in the Pacific Northwest is very different from the rest of the US. After the extremely wet snow comes down, it packs down, melts, freezes over, churns, and crusts over, it's like driving on ice cream mud that has a thousand separate layers with the base layer that behaves like everfrost. I am originally from the Midwest, lived through New England winters and Pittsburgh winters, the packed snow here is really hard to drive on esp with hills. And I am a winter tire (Blizzaks) fanatic

[@nicneo]

Yay...another great video with Karleena.

[@Mjr1348]

Been there done that with 2 lemon ZR2’s. I had an 18 and a 20. I now have a trd pro 4runner and I love it !!

[@PlymouthNeon]

What? How did you get two of the same lemons in a row? You figure that forgiving Chevy the first time for the lemon, that you'd get a better one next time.

[@richardcasey7521]

That road would scare me completely! I just bought a 4Runner yesterday... I have SO much to learn.

[@davidf9027]

No need to stop/neutral for 4High, only 4Low. You can shift in and out of 4H while moving. Also, you didn’t note that the rear seat passengers can decline their seats.

[@mikev1338]

I bought pretty much the same 4Runner last November. Mine didn't come with black rear logos or that rear cargo tray, but I had the predator side steps added on. It was pricey, but it's been the perfect daily driver for Canadian winters.

[@JeanYvesHudon]

Next time, use a-track on off road snowy trails. Works much better

[@Buck-mp4yi]

It does come standard with some pretty good tires too. This is one of my favorite vehicles ever made!!!

[@jakethepitador2558]

When driving in snow/ice conditions, car reviewers should be testing with proper winter tires: "All terrain tires have a rubber compound that is designed for warmer weather use. Dedicated winter tires have a compound that grips better in colder temperatures and a tread pattern that is better suited for traction on snow and ice."

[@drivingsports]

We request them, but not all manufacturers comply.

[@RagingBad]

No shit Sherlock

[@iTrove]

Fun video, came for the review. Stayed for the beauty of Karleena’s smile. Great review for a Normal consumer’s use.

[@nathanspence4859]

4runner all the way. That's my choice. And hopefully mis Carlena gore will be ur new side kick. :)

[@olizk]

Nice two persons host , having someone to talk to in your video makes it comfortable to watch

[@romp8667]

I love you guys thank you for featuring toyota take care" I worked for toyota in Japan and its a pride to own one we produce 300 motors a day and 100 goes to the box 200 are rejects a needlepoint hairline porosity is rejected Now i have two tundra and a sequoia"

[@endlessnameless3996]

Do you have any idea why Tacoma shudder when coming to a stop? I've had two 3rd gens and it's been an issue in both with no resolution.

[@jlficken]

They finally put a readout for tire pressures on a vehicle?!?! I really wish my 2016 SR5 had that.

[@maicol67]

Same for me on my 2019 TRD ORP

[@mikefoehr235]

Where you stopped in the snow...you could have locked the rear diff and go in 4LO. Bringing a shovel or two can be a game changer and some tow straps. Even a come along can be a game changer. About fuel economy...the 1GR-FE is a bit thirsty but man oh man it may run forever. Having owned GM and FORD....TOYOTA rocks in quality and reliabilty. I have driven thru 2 ft of snow with not much trouble with my 13 Taco.

[@wildbill23c]

Did the 2 feet of snow driving a couple years ago for a month in my 08 Tundra LOL...one year we finally had a real winter where I live and created massive problems for many people in their little golf cart sized cars and their soccer mom cross over cars....suddenly out came the old school 4x4 pickups and SUV's from the 90's and older LOL.

[@РоманХристенко-и1х]

The best in this car is Karleena!

[@marcbathon2346]

Not really

[@vuexiong1625]

Annoying...

[@realitycheck3672]

*Y o u S o u n d L i k e A L o n e r W i t h A* *B o n e r.*

[@jonathanroybacchus3423]

14:13 “Have you done anything like this before? It's been a few years. . . not in a car with toys like this” 😏

[@mmcouture01]

definitly the best choice for the end of the world!

[@DefMusic79]

I had those tires on my WK2. They rode rough, horrible when they got wet. Yet did well in the mud that I had them in.

[@stephanlevesque7632]

Engage the locker....use the tools that are available to you!

[@lam62sw]

The locker does not improve all that much on snow the ATrac and Crawl Control are better features to use than the locker. I have first hand experience in a 2020 4Runner Venture.

[@masonthomas9671]

@@lam62sw I was under the impression that under 5mph and in 4lo you can use the rear locker and ATRAC at the same time. The locker will fix your rear wheels and ATRAC will apply brake force to which ever front wheel needs it.

[@DrivenHard]

In 2020 you want to stop and shift into N for 4 HIGH??? There is no way Toyotas 4WD is that behind the times. For 4LOW yes, but it should be a shift on the fly thing for 4HIGH. Can someone please confirm?

[@mateo85tx]

Driven Hard I’ve got a 2010 FJ cruiser that shifts into 4H on the fly up to 50mph, I’d assume you definitely can do the same on the new 4Runner also.

[@BernonCars]

You can shift into 4H while moving, I can do it with my 97 Tacoma lol

[@brodiwheeler7583]

Confirmed, this guy is just a 4x4 noob.

[@bookabk]

I have this same 2020 4runner and have shifted into 4H while going 45 mph on multiple occasions.

[@RioGood]

Just send it, lock the wheels while sliding and shift to 4low!

[@dawood2u]

I was on this Trail last week with my 2022 TRD pro, it handled the situation like a champ

[@rsxteufel]

The car system is great but the driver have lot to learn.😂

[@docholliday6285]

Seriously...got a little frustrating, know the 4Runner could do more.

[@steeziewonder69]

This was a headache to watch😭

[@RichRich1955]

Tell us what he did

[@marcreus1360]

The purpose of the video is to show the car for a regular driver. We all know that experience make the difference on those situations but this is a basic car review not an overland/off-road channel. 🤫

[@RagingBad]

@@marcreus1360 shut up

[@Jax1957]

I really enjoy your videos. They are very informative and just downright fun to watch. I believe in this video though you misspoke about MTS. MTS does regulate the amount of wheel-spin by adjusting throttle performance and brake pressure. Still excellent information throughout as always.

[@BorisBeer24]

God how I wish I could afford Trd Pro and that they were available in the EU, only hope is to win the lottery and move to the US, wish me luck

[@richardharker2775]

I like watching your videos. Very good common sense approach using vehicles for what they were designed for.

[@drivingsports]

Thanks 👍

[@snowysysadmin59]

The only thing to make this beast even better.....a true 6 speed manual. cmon the tacoma gets a 6 speed, give the 4 runner one! (i know, the market isnt there, theyre not gonna waste the time or money)

[@RioGood]

My FJ enjoys the real 6speed.

[@snowysysadmin59]

@@RioGood I've always wanted an FJ cruiser. One with a 6 speed would be a dream. 😍

[@danarello2563]

Hi Ryan, I'm in the market for a 4W Drive vehicle for baja adventures. My first pick would be a 4 Runner. But I'm still looking. I really enjoyed your video.

[@ericduany2809]

I had those tires on my 04 in Vermont. Great tires in mud, pretty bad in ice/snow. But as long as I threw it in 4Hi I didn't have any issues.

[@commerciallifesafety]

Where you finally stopped was the spot that you should have engaged the crawl control. I have a trd off road. In order to tow my boat off the beach sand I use crawl control. It is the only way I will get it off. I had people try without using it with no success. Momentum helps when you can get it, but from a standing stop crawl control is better than human control.

[@somethingawesome9547]

By the way, I bought the dewalt because of you. Absolutely a fantastic tool. Did not have to buy the battery because I use that 12V input in my Honda.

[@naturalLin]

I drove a 2017 wrangler 4roor Sahara. I was in that same situation. I didn’t need to air down. Snow was at least 8 inches. I put the jeep in 4Lo. And plowed through. If it got stuck I reversed a few feet and drove forward. The trail I was in was undriven compact snow as well. You didn’t try hard enough 😂

[@bassage13]

You don't need to go into neutral to put it into 4 Hi. You can shift it while still driving.

[@bassage13]

@Luis Bolanos Toyota's instructions in the owner's manual tells you to shift to 4 Hi while driving. I guess Toyota doesn't know anything about trucks.

[@babyseals4872]

Man that green looks realllllllly nice on a 4Runner

[@rampagedingo]

This vehicle makes me feel like an underdog. I really love the 3rd gen. Personally I hoped they sold these with an optional manual transmission.

[@shanet7511]

Underdog? Its one of th most common and well known offroaders. Periodt.

[@rampagedingo]

@@shanet7511 but you cannot forget the Toyota hilux pickup truck with a solid front axle. Those things are indestructible.

[@shanet7511]

@@rampagedingo This isn't a Hulu though so moot point

[@loneapple440]

Great vid and with Karleena in the test runs makes it super vid.

[@mikeo.4203]

This type of stuff had me subscribe keep them coming!

[@tipsofme]

Try it again with studded tires and lock the rear diff. Also, slow down when it gets rough! Tires are the only thing that create contact traction. Clearance is great but you can plow through snow with a FWD car on studded winter tires and a slow rate of speed. You might turn your front clip into a snow plow but it will work. You can have a car with all lockers, a center diff lock, be on street tires (G63 AMG) and not make it that far. Contact contact contact.

[@JT-fx8mn]

I want one but these are going for gold! Even for a used TRD pro with 60k miles they are still going around 50k

[@ElectricDanielBoone]

You guys did a good job, but you need to slow down in deep soft snow to stay on top. Adding chains would have helped a lot too. Most importantly, you need to have proper recovery gear and know how to use it!

[@tmmsplace]

Whoohoo 20hp more. But, how’s the Highlander in deep snow, uphill towing? My experience, 4wd handles better than AWD unless it’s an Audi, and torque is more important than HP in a truck or suv

[@snowysysadmin59]

The only thing (i can respect and understand why) is that, when you guys get stuck slipping or sliding, you go to "lets go as slow as possible and see if that will fix it" and most of the time, that will get you out of trouble. But i think at the end, instead of just backing down the mountain, you should have backed down a few feet to where you had grip, turned off TCS and just hammered down and see if it would get through that rough section.

[@vincesmith764]

I agree.Being scared of the skinny pedal proves you are actually writers/editors that truly know nothing about "off-roading"

[@mechmat12345]

Pro tip: Bilstein 6112/5160 are very similar to the setup in 2018 and older TRD Pro. Used in conjunction with a lift and some KO2s on a TRD Off Road model, and you will blow by a TRD Pro on the trail and still have a few thousand extra dollars in your bank account.

[@RagingBad]

Pro tip? Everyone knows that

[@vivasjimmy]

come on my friend why you quit?? you needed to push it !

[@MisterTundra2595]

He dont wanna pay for damage

[@vivasjimmy]

@@MisterTundra2595 yep makes sense but it is shame I don't think that is what the audience want to see...

[@jrking178]

I did not think airing down the tires would make that much difference. Wow

[@lunamaria1048]

Excellency review!!... I have the 4Runner TRD Off Road with Fox Shocks and a Magnuson Supercharger (installed last year) that I love so much, it is definitely my forever rig lol... My only dislike about it was the lack of power on the highway when it came to passing and accelerating faster when on the highway, especially when fully loaded for overlanding.. The Magnuson supercharger makes her feel exactly as you would expect an SUV of this size to feel.. I can pass on highways EASILY now.. Even when loaded up with water, extra fuel, my rooftop tent, food, spare parts, recovery gear and everything else needed for remote touring.. It feels more like a V8 now!.. Even every aspect of off roading is even more funner than it was!

[@gregggallo3347]

Hows gas milage with all the new work done?

[@lifeisgood070]

Where the hell can I find a woman like that to marry? She seems genuinely cheerful and she listens. Holy crap. (I'm only 6 mins into the video).

[@simpleredvigor]

2020 TRD 4Runner for me :) Great videos!

[@The_Notorious_CRG]

it was weird seeing a TRD Pro struggle in the snow like that. And...if that's what Karleena looks like with out makeup, I wonder how she looks all dolled up! Cute!

[@puregsr]

I don't know where you're from, but the snow in the Pacific Northwest is very different from the rest of the US. After the extremely wet snow comes down, it packs down, melts, freezes over, churns, and crusts over, it's like driving on ice cream mud that's crunchy with a thousand layers of different density. I am originally from the Midwest, lived through New England winters and Pittsburgh winters, the packed snow here is really hard to drive on esp with hills. And I am a winter tire (Blizzaks) finatic

[@The_Notorious_CRG]

@@puregsr - I'm in Utah. I understand all that, to me it is weird seeing a TRD Pro struggle like that. It's not really a ton of snow that they were on, usually on these kinds of videos they have a harder time traction-wise with tons of mud, deep watery mud or a ton of sand. I know the packed snow and ice would be a problem too.

[@dj331]

Found your channel a few weeks back and have subscribed 👍🏻 great content 👌🏻

[@connorsmith3234]

Wow just stumbled on this video I’ve been working off that road helping build cell towers. I’ve been driving my F-550 service truck up that road for years.

[@paulsumpter9573]

My wife drives a '19 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk..amazing vehicle.

[@claudiacanales2662]

Yup I get 16 too. It’s bad but every thing else is awesome!

[@chee75]

this is the best review video so far i watch nice job

[@shanet7511]

This video makes me miss Washington so much. I can't wait to move back in a few years.

[@johnmcalisterjr3913]

Great job on the video.great copilot always nice to have 2 people when you go off roading again love your copilot great personality..is there a website on places you can go off-road across the country

[@1g2002541]

WoW, Great Demo of Crawl control. Thank you for this video.

[@Urgento22]

why are you driving so fast on ice? also why would you not use the locking differential and crawl control to go up further?🤦🏻‍♂️

[@drivingsports]

At that point on the mountain the risk was greater than the reward.

[@neogeoking]

But at least use your truck’s potential fully first before back down. Now all I could think of is you, not the truck.

[@ss1114]

Best review Ive seen yet!

[@phillipsinclaire]

In Canada where I live this vehicle completed loaded prices out. close to 80000 dollars after all taxes and fees. Whoa....

[@mikec3454]

TRD Pro? I'm in Canada as well, pretty sure when I built one last on Toyota Canada it was around $63k or something. Still too much ... The TRD Off Road is better value IMO.

[@frankzhong9402]

Highly underrated channel!

[@andy1209na]

WOW! What a beautiful co pilot; oh yeah, the 4 Runner looks good too. Just bought one last month, and loving it. Nice video, you guys really did an awesome job, subbed

[@rtomei]

dude you don't need to stop to shift from 2wd to 4wd hi

[@underdog8896]

Even a TRD pro 4 Runner has it's limits.

[@CP-kb1du]

Especially with this Idiot behind the Wheel ...

[@alexl6976]

Actually halogen lights are good. The color tone is soft and the visibility is better than LED in fog or blizzard.

[@joreldavis4069]

You can shift to 4x4 on the fly. You don't need to stop or put in neutral. FYI

[@hellraiserx9490]

I think all four by fours are pretty much like that these days

[@joreldavis4069]

@@hellraiserx9490 they are. That's why I thought it was funny he thought he had to stop and put in neutral just to go to 4Hi

[@LLCoolPass]

it seems its not electronic. it has lever. therefore rules apply. stop go neutral first

[@hellraiserx9490]

Johnny B That really sucks!

[@megabyte7047]

Jorel Davis To go into low, you do.

[@docholliday6285]

Stuck in snow so he floors it 😆 And chains would absolutely make a huge difference.

[@hyper_t47]

The 4Runner is a great choice if you are looking for real truck based SUV. The engine and transmission are out dated but they are tested, reliable and smooth. I don't like the engine and transmission combo in my 3rd gen Tacoma as much although I do get decent gas mileage.

[@jimmy-et1pm]

Nice vid...currently have a 2018 trd pro truck....once I ditched the stock tires and went with michelins....the thing was unstoppable. Thinking about an upgrade to a 4runner....need the room.

[@brandonm6117]

Which Michelins did you get?

[@WillN2Go1]

Good review, thanks. convinced me to buy a used one. Why buy 2008 tech on a 1996 powertrain in 2020?

[@mechmat12345]

Because they did actually do some updates in 2020 like improved safety tech, updated infotainment, and push button start/keyless entry on some models. Resale value is also spectacular, meaning you won't save much buying a late model used version if you have a higher interest rate (which is common in new vs used financing). Carvana literally has a 2018 TRD Off Road model right now and they are charging $150 MORE than the original window sticker price.

[@david05111]

I wonder if using crawl control at the very end of the video might have extended the trip a bit more

[@docholliday6285]

Ya think?

[@RagingBad]

He's a noob and doesn't know how to extract all the benefits of the 4Runner off road systems

[@wcjeep]

Was the locker engaged? Also recommend the TRD Offroad for most people. It has optional Kdss for better on/Offroad performance, as long as the vehicle maintains stock height. TRD Offroad does have the factory rear locker.

[@anthonydotb]

KDSS equipped vehicles can be lifted a few inches (3 I believe) without any major modifications. My TRD Offroad/Trail is lifted 1.75 and zero issues with KDSS. But I also agree with you. I think the TRD off road is the way to go. TRD Offroad with no kdss can be upgraded to an even better suspension than the TRD Pro, and for much less.

[@lesterguess1915]

It would be good to see the Ford Bronco go thru that same trail

[@macdaddy1617]

You’re better off getting The off road edition. If you go onto Toy Tec .com you can get KING SHOCKS they are adjustable or even Fox has them too. You get a lot more bang for your buck plus your getting a 3 inch lift for better clearance. The roof rack is crap so you’re better off not getting a Front Runner roof rack or any other top brand. It has no linear weight distribution for anything heavy. With the savings of that money you can probably add a front bumper with winch and lights . Also you can get a full skid plates which they do not offer. Oh yea the crawl control is good but I rather install a front locker. Do the research first but if you got money to piss away kudos for you!

[@nhatkhoile587]

Your videos get better everytime congrats!

[@Jo5ue1]

Love this! I was thinking of getting a 2020 Subaru Forester Sport and putting some Method wheels on it to make it look more manly (not Soccer mom SUV) but damn this is a sexy bad ass looking machine. It's expensive but I look at it as an investment, the resale value it's up the roof. An used 2013 TRD PRO goes for 40k now in days.. if you can afford it go for it, you will stand out from all those Wranglers.

[@vincesmith764]

We that love the 4runner..LOVE it the way it is.We that buy and continue to buy over and over...or every 20 yrs or so ,as they last that long, simply do not care about fuel mileage or what yall talking heads refere to as "outdated" headlights or 6 plus gears and all the "new fad.ish" a.k.a. sissy options.We love the fact that it is a TRUCK .It,s sickening to us that yall want to press Toyota to make it a highlander or patriot clone .We that buy and love simply do not care about fuel mileage. We love Tough & Durable. Thank you.:)

[@tsizzle]

Nice video. Glad Karleena got a chance to drive! Did you ever test how the Subaru Forester XMode does in these same conditions deep snow? AWD vs 4WD? Would it have made any difference using winter/snow tires/chains?

[@lesterguess1915]

They did one with the Subaru Forester with Dual X-Mode in snow and towed a Mazda CX-9 in the snow with the Forester, but was not this same road, I don't think.

[@gregkerchner3175]

why must I watch chevy ads when I'm looking for a Toyota ?

[@Wild1995]

This was so good. Thank you for demonstrating all of this

[@3rreid]

OMG! That was fun, but I was scared for u guys n that cliff.... Lol glad u all made it

[@Mikefoxx55]

Ryan.. shoulda aired down your boots 😄😄😄. Go Karleena. 👍

[@judgeadvocate9275]

That's sad. I've owned 2x CJ-5s, and a CJ-7, and never came close to getting stuck in snow, even when the snow was up to the doors. But then again, the tires bigger and badder on one of the CJ-5s. The CJ-7 (1980) was all stock.