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2021 Turbo S Panamera! The Worlds Fastest Super Saloon!! Facelift Full Review

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@RemoveBeforeRace
@RemoveBeforeRace 3 жыл бұрын
Huge thanks to Ridge for sending me the sweet carbon wallet and supporting the channel! Here’s the site if you want one with discount too! 🔥👉🏽 ridge.com/RBR As for the Turbo, sorry for mixing up the BHP and Torque numbers, but the way it made me feel it may as well be true!! 🤣 Need to get my hands on a wagon/sport turismo, it’s such a beast! Greta to see Porsche taking this seriously at last.
@jamisonz3365
@jamisonz3365 3 жыл бұрын
Thank god that Porsche bring back the real Turbo S. They've wasted three years for their decision to cancel the petrol turbo s in 2017. The M5/E63s/M8/GT63s just crush the 540HP Turbo with no Mercy. They couldn't get the electric Turbo s E-hybrid sold well because nobody wants them. The most impression those Turbo S left to people is their longest names ever. I agree what you said sir. Now finally they are taking Turbo S seriously.
@haxhibaba
@haxhibaba 3 жыл бұрын
Hello ! You video maker or whatever is called, has made a tiny but substantial mistake regarding Turbo S specs, 630Nm & 820Bhp instead of 630Bhp and 820Nm at 3:33sec 🤣
@chenxinying3222
@chenxinying3222 3 жыл бұрын
@Jack njones no idea where I o
@Quez5k
@Quez5k 3 жыл бұрын
If you had to choose between this and and the gt63 s, which would you choose and why. My honest opinion is that the Porsche Panamera Turbo S looks better than the GT 63, I just love the GT interior. However, I’m a Mercedes Fan as well as now, a Porsche fan. Just want to know what you think?
@kreigerbailey3550
@kreigerbailey3550 2 жыл бұрын
Portland, JAMAICA in the Building !!!
@HARRY_1982
@HARRY_1982 3 жыл бұрын
The way that rear spoiler pops up is amazing. Porsche at its best.
@markswishereatsstuff2500
@markswishereatsstuff2500 3 жыл бұрын
Spoiler porn!!
@mikhailbakunin8334
@mikhailbakunin8334 3 жыл бұрын
@@markswishereatsstuff2500 haha the dirtiest porn ever!!!
@justinsamupindi
@justinsamupindi 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely 🙌
@mosalamasekoa9070
@mosalamasekoa9070 3 жыл бұрын
Why did i see the dirtiest twerk of all time??
@thenut1212
@thenut1212 3 жыл бұрын
I can’t believe how good the Turbo S sounds even with all the stupid OPS filters and Euro noise regulations now in place. That being said, I’d love to hear that thing screaming with a titanium or Inconel exhaust! Another great video and experience Raz.
@porschepanameraofficial5500
@porschepanameraofficial5500 2 жыл бұрын
Porsche best!!! Bmw shit made in Russia Kaliningrad 🤮🤮🤮
@mr_beast9000
@mr_beast9000 3 жыл бұрын
3:35 It is 630 BHP and 820 NM
@RemoveBeforeRace
@RemoveBeforeRace 3 жыл бұрын
Yep. FML 🤦🏻‍♂️
@anabang1251
@anabang1251 3 жыл бұрын
@@RemoveBeforeRace That mistake will end your career for sure. No more partnerships for you, I guess.
@inflightstudio
@inflightstudio 3 жыл бұрын
One day it will be 820 bhp so no worries.
@eshanmirash2456
@eshanmirash2456 3 жыл бұрын
@Jack njones I think that is exclusive to 911’s with that engine (gt3/gt3rs)
@SuperCarSmokey
@SuperCarSmokey 3 жыл бұрын
@@anabang1251 actually , youtubers make these "mistakes" from time to time. One of the best metrics on youtubes now is interaction. When people give a comment it will make your views go up. When we make a mistake , and people see it they just have to tell it in the comments. He know he did that wrong trust me :-)
@YuvrajSingh0407
@YuvrajSingh0407 3 жыл бұрын
“The things that should be bulging bulge instead” -Remove Before Race 2020😅
@justinlangley9522
@justinlangley9522 3 жыл бұрын
Surely You're not the only person that Picked up on the Joke haha!
@firewaffle1
@firewaffle1 3 жыл бұрын
That spoiler mechanism is too good for this world. Also great review thanks for keeping us entertained 👍👍. And it is good to see some drone shots again
@SharkBoy87
@SharkBoy87 2 жыл бұрын
I went in for a 911, left with a Panamera. Purists can go hate on the SUV's. It was just so amazing, great responsive car with immense luxury. I suppose that's inevitable with $40K in options. Do you want 100% 911, or its DNA in a car with all the roominess and luxuries of modern executive sedans? It's fun to hop in, turn that key, and hear it roar its engines. All the sports-dials, luxury, pop it into sport and have a playful drive, or cruise in luxury. I would say most will be plenty happy with the 4S model, and spend that extra towards options.
@kxngsanjay1683
@kxngsanjay1683 3 жыл бұрын
Panamera Turbo S > Gt 63s 4 door
@angadm7337
@angadm7337 3 жыл бұрын
i'll go for panamera turbo s ...metallic white colour and saddle brown interior 🥰❤️ love you Turbo S💕
@hummerchine
@hummerchine 3 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait! I’m gonna custom order the executive version as soon as I can.
@jeromep3182
@jeromep3182 3 жыл бұрын
I love that chocolate interior ,would love to see a drive review on the koenigsegg jesko and gemera
@Daveyboy_GolfR
@Daveyboy_GolfR 3 жыл бұрын
Wow this new refresh is so sleek. Interior is also so symmetrical. All right angles.. in a wonderful way. My 1 minor complaint is how the new RS, AMG, and M seats are so cool and updated, yet the new porsche seats still look quite dated.
@bobby4500
@bobby4500 Жыл бұрын
my absolute dream car
@Kiwigucci
@Kiwigucci 3 жыл бұрын
Stunning car. But I would never ever choose that red interior.
@hockeymann88
@hockeymann88 3 жыл бұрын
18:03 Well, you answered the question I would have asked you. Always a great review. The Sport Turismo version of this car really is appealing.
@limpunsing224
@limpunsing224 3 жыл бұрын
A comparison review of Panamera Turbo S & AMG GT 63 S would be interesting but I guess you don't do comparo ?
@leonchn7500
@leonchn7500 3 жыл бұрын
Throw the M8 GC in there too, or RS7
@thecomposite4385
@thecomposite4385 3 жыл бұрын
@@leonchn7500 definitely
@porschet5898
@porschet5898 3 жыл бұрын
On the track the gt63s would win, yesterday the gt63s shattered nurburgring record in a 4 seater, on the wet surface... Amazing car. But I'd still prefer panamera any day
@limpunsing224
@limpunsing224 3 жыл бұрын
@@porschet5898 Both cars are great & I always respect personal preferences
@oscartejura4887
@oscartejura4887 3 жыл бұрын
This was a press review so you can’t compare cars - it is pretty much all pre prescribed by Porsche unfortunately
@AntonPanteleev
@AntonPanteleev 3 жыл бұрын
Superb machine! Nothing compares in it’s class.
@zyxo5190
@zyxo5190 3 жыл бұрын
That spoiler tho
@307skylake7
@307skylake7 3 жыл бұрын
It’s what makes the Panamera what it is 🔥🤯
@jaz7119
@jaz7119 3 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6XKc5SGnJxrnpI
@SirMopy
@SirMopy 3 жыл бұрын
Haha love that you blurred the speed :D
@jayh5641
@jayh5641 Жыл бұрын
I know you are Mr AMG but you have to admit know Mercedes, BMW or audi can compete with Porsche engineering 🤓 big fan of your content man
@jamiebeverley9705
@jamiebeverley9705 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely beautiful, great machine, and great review Raz, top job 👍
@TheRealBobMarley
@TheRealBobMarley 3 жыл бұрын
12 Cards? Who the hell has that much ... debt? Lol
@waaargh2985
@waaargh2985 3 жыл бұрын
Porsche just keeps amazing me , they never disappoint.
@diMne86
@diMne86 3 жыл бұрын
To avoid rev limitor, put transmission in drive mode and press both pedals shift together.
@ardonjr
@ardonjr 3 жыл бұрын
8:13 .. About that softlimiter, have you tried this yet? (Tip from Carwow/Harris) 1: Put the car into Drive. 2: Hold both steeringwheel pedals. 3: Rev it ! Source: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aGazhZZ7a995b8U
@s_aaron18
@s_aaron18 3 жыл бұрын
Just about to comment 😂😁would like to see if this works on Audi's and other cars which are soft limited
@eshanmirash2456
@eshanmirash2456 3 жыл бұрын
I think that is exclusive to the gt3
@darrenw4833
@darrenw4833 3 жыл бұрын
@@eshanmirash2456 I’ve seen it work on 991.1 and 991.2 911s. Not sure if it will work on the Panamera but by pulling on both paddles, it basically causes neutral to occur
@eshanmirash2456
@eshanmirash2456 3 жыл бұрын
@@darrenw4833 it’s basically a clutch kick that Porsche has integrated because when you pull the up shift paddle after holding both and revving it up it causes the wheels to spin. There’s a great video on the smoking tire where Matt Farah utilises it to do donuts in a 991.2 gt3rs
@Gutalax5689
@Gutalax5689 3 жыл бұрын
the dashboard looks small
@drmohdfauzi72
@drmohdfauzi72 Жыл бұрын
Hi Raz, i think a typo occurred@3.33 Nice & informative review as usual 🤝🇲🇾
@kreigerbailey3550
@kreigerbailey3550 2 жыл бұрын
Portland, JAMAICA in the Building !!!
@biggravy9080
@biggravy9080 2 жыл бұрын
Best review found. Gr8 animations!
@mikaelandersson3255
@mikaelandersson3255 3 жыл бұрын
One of my absolute dream cars. Others are Mercedes GT Black Series, Mercedes E63s Saloon, Fod Mustang Shelby.
@vitorribeirof.695
@vitorribeirof.695 3 жыл бұрын
Smashed mate.
@swaaaa11
@swaaaa11 3 жыл бұрын
Rich blue and beautiful car
@demacf6805
@demacf6805 3 жыл бұрын
Banner said Turbo S, but you've reviewed the entire Panamera line. So many facts and figures I got confused, didn't enjoy it at all - I just wanted a spirited drive in the TurboS.
@tyablo
@tyablo 3 жыл бұрын
if you want to rev porsches, select Drive and then pull both shift paddles (it gets in Neutral) and then rev it.
@johnhuntermitchell
@johnhuntermitchell 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent review. Thanks.
@itzjdub282
@itzjdub282 3 жыл бұрын
Yes I've driven a Turbo S 911. It was the quickest car I've ever driven
@alkabond
@alkabond 3 жыл бұрын
Porsche website says 0-62 is 3.1 & 0-60 is 2.9
@hobbylounge7960
@hobbylounge7960 Жыл бұрын
Car is so gorgeus that no one noticed it has 820bhp at 3:34
@ericp4573
@ericp4573 3 жыл бұрын
Yellow calipers are so much nicer than the green ones
@markorollo.
@markorollo. 3 жыл бұрын
I've never been a fan of Porsches or really any car in that category, just not my thing. But I need a Panamera on my driveway. Will do once I win the lottery.
@christophhazy8080
@christophhazy8080 3 жыл бұрын
What do you think about the Turbo S Hybrid with 700hp? Do you prefer it over the normal Turbo S?
@scottstewart5784
@scottstewart5784 3 жыл бұрын
maybe he should do a video about that
@OM-cr4ln
@OM-cr4ln 3 жыл бұрын
Im pretty sure that you didnt watch The Video mate
@mohsin9825
@mohsin9825 3 жыл бұрын
Like the new locations :)
@Da_great333
@Da_great333 Жыл бұрын
A beautiful beast
@Personal_Comp
@Personal_Comp 3 жыл бұрын
But...the GT 63s has a 4s faster Nurburgring time for over 2 years now, and it's an even bigger car than the Turbo S.
@bhdrylmz4331
@bhdrylmz4331 3 жыл бұрын
was faster. Porsche Panamera is the fastest sedan in Nurburgring. But m5 cs is on the way
@Personal_Comp
@Personal_Comp 3 жыл бұрын
@@bhdrylmz4331 the gt 63s has 7:25 time, the new panamera turbo s has a 7:29 time...how is it faster?
@lukaposeidon8490
@lukaposeidon8490 3 жыл бұрын
You got it wrong. With that logic the panamera would have a lower 7:25 or a 7:24 time. There have been some changes in the nurbugring so that's why the gt has 5 seconds added. Anyways the panamera would be a little bit faster.
@Personal_Comp
@Personal_Comp 3 жыл бұрын
@@lukaposeidon8490 They've made the track safer and faster, with some of the most dangerous corners removed, with the new asphalt...so the GT63s could be only faster today... www.autoevolution.com/news/2019-nurburgring-layout-changes-explained-schwedenkreuz-bump-is-gone-130504.html
@kashsattar2066
@kashsattar2066 3 жыл бұрын
Even the wing mirrors in the shadow move when he changes the cars.
@shaunsmith9
@shaunsmith9 3 жыл бұрын
Instant Destiny- Tame Impala on the radio
@ezekielochieng8941
@ezekielochieng8941 3 жыл бұрын
For bad roads, come to the States. The roads are bad enough to require replacement on your windshield wipers after months if not a year or two of use
@steved2008
@steved2008 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic Video, even better car ❤️💪😎🍺
@choyayahyah
@choyayahyah 3 жыл бұрын
Great review as always. I'd love to hear how you think the Panamera Turbo S compares both to a 911 Turbo S and separately to M8.
@porschepanameraofficial5500
@porschepanameraofficial5500 2 жыл бұрын
M8???? Bmw is shit made in Russia Kaliningrad 🤮🤮🤮
@Nickbaldeagle02
@Nickbaldeagle02 Жыл бұрын
Like comparing an opera singer to Britney Spears and Jay Z.
@guillermoacosta7975
@guillermoacosta7975 3 жыл бұрын
What would you buy, tycan turbo s or panamera turbo s? What is the best overall car ? May be panamera os more ...luxury and confortable for long journeys?
@christmasisawesome9348
@christmasisawesome9348 3 жыл бұрын
Taycan is more sporty. Panny is more like an S class, A8, 7 series. Panny Turbo is on par with the likes of M5, E63s, and the lesser RS6/7. Taycan was developed on a new platform. Panny's is older. Taycan is more refined as a result. Panny is not bad here. It is just older. If you compare a Taycan 4s to a Panny 4s E-hybrid, Taycan is a better handling car. For more usability, utility, Panamera wins. Taycan is ultimately impressive as a Performance EVs. It's utility is worse than Panamera. The rear cabin space is smaller. That tiny cabin also applies to its trunk. You could almoat say that Taycan is a 4 doors 911 EV.
@aurorajones8481
@aurorajones8481 3 жыл бұрын
Im prepping to buy a super saloon next year and was on the fence w/ the 21 M5 and E63 but I honestly never gave the Panamera a second thought mainly cause i thought the first one was ugly as fuck. But this thing looks pretty damn good. No price yet for the E or this so just more waiting.
@jerenevavuo5446
@jerenevavuo5446 Жыл бұрын
I have sometimes surprised people by saying that this or this car is bad and that one is good. And the thing that have made the good car (small or big), have been that I feel the road, and that the car "dances" with me. Feels alive and responsive (even when heavy). I have explained it to the people with that Chinese teapot thing. They have never understood it. And now, first time ever, I see that somebody else is doing that with their hands as well. 😅
@georgschweier694
@georgschweier694 3 жыл бұрын
I love you Love Porsche ❤
@luckvoltia7316
@luckvoltia7316 3 жыл бұрын
Having a hard time choosing between this and a Taycan...
@BigBoss-ps6vk
@BigBoss-ps6vk 3 жыл бұрын
Get the turbo s. You have rest of your life to choose electric. V8 not so much.
@wolfgangbarrio5043
@wolfgangbarrio5043 3 жыл бұрын
Get the V8.
@Mrrlamb1
@Mrrlamb1 3 жыл бұрын
"Forget about the RS6...", he says. Never mind the $60K+ price difference.
@th3b0untyhunter
@th3b0untyhunter 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent review. really enjoyed this video. Totally agree about the Sport Turismo being the one to have, just a shame it doesn't have a version of that extending spoiler but it'd def be the one for me regardless in that lovely papaya colour please Porsche if your listening. ;)
@globalgenius3062
@globalgenius3062 3 жыл бұрын
We love AMG Cars!!! Where are they?
@willietaylor6605
@willietaylor6605 3 жыл бұрын
Why are you guys don't do anything with the BMW L peanut versus Porsche
@charlieboylol527
@charlieboylol527 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic car
@SaadKidwai
@SaadKidwai 3 жыл бұрын
GT63s for life!!!
@firewaffle1
@firewaffle1 3 жыл бұрын
Yes until the gt73e
@307skylake7
@307skylake7 3 жыл бұрын
@@firewaffle1 6.3l 4cyl 🤣
@SaadKidwai
@SaadKidwai 3 жыл бұрын
@@firewaffle1 Yeah however was Raz said, adding in more weight is a little bit of a deal breaker. Would rather get a tune on the regular one like what Brabus did
@janice711
@janice711 3 жыл бұрын
Your steering wheel seems really high. I have mine in my PTT almost all the way down- facing my chest ,not my face. So much better driving experience. Unless you are driving a box truck!
@najimlatif1383
@najimlatif1383 3 жыл бұрын
GPF Delete and Sport Cats: it will sound like a V8 Monster
@YounesLayachi
@YounesLayachi 3 жыл бұрын
Curious, what made previous Porsche cars not "proper super saloon" ? Edit : I should have finished the video before commenting xD
@ErwinVervaet
@ErwinVervaet 3 жыл бұрын
9:00 -> I see you've gotten inspired by what SSC was doing with blurring the speedo ;-)
@jaz7119
@jaz7119 3 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6XKc5SGnJxrnpI
@Quez5k
@Quez5k 2 жыл бұрын
Just want to ask, which did you like better between this, and the gt63 s?
@Nickbaldeagle02
@Nickbaldeagle02 Жыл бұрын
This.
@jeromep3182
@jeromep3182 3 жыл бұрын
Is it faster than the Alpina B7?
@Tommmmmmmmmmmm
@Tommmmmmmmmmmm 3 жыл бұрын
is there no turbo s e hybrid thing anymore? ):
@troygreen9321
@troygreen9321 3 жыл бұрын
Great cars
@den_525
@den_525 3 жыл бұрын
Is this the guy from American Reunion?
@choongjiancheong8923
@choongjiancheong8923 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice car
@MrLickid
@MrLickid 3 жыл бұрын
Will there also be a Turbo S E-Hybrid ?
@307skylake7
@307skylake7 3 жыл бұрын
Already is one!
@hamzab3659
@hamzab3659 3 жыл бұрын
@@307skylake7 this is it’s replacement. So as of today, no turbo s e hybrid is offered.
@307skylake7
@307skylake7 3 жыл бұрын
@@hamzab3659 No. Check Porsches website. Two Turbo S’s on offer.
@ovidiusolu1423
@ovidiusolu1423 3 жыл бұрын
hello from romania ! like....
@mayank8818
@mayank8818 3 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one who thinks that there is gonna be a 800hp Turbo SE Hybrid? Since now they know that there is gonna be a GT73 type car from Merc with 800hp?
@ConstantineJoseph
@ConstantineJoseph 3 жыл бұрын
Was the world's fastest. The GT4 Door 2021 variant won it back again lol
@pippipster6767
@pippipster6767 3 жыл бұрын
3:30 ... you’ve got your BHP and NM the wrong way round.
@mohammadmianji311
@mohammadmianji311 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome
@luxuryviplifestyle9494
@luxuryviplifestyle9494 3 жыл бұрын
The greatest dream
@davidkoreck1341
@davidkoreck1341 3 жыл бұрын
sounds like thunder and a snarl
@alexjin6087
@alexjin6087 3 жыл бұрын
Why does it look like model 3 at the front...
@DavidBoy333
@DavidBoy333 3 жыл бұрын
Im looking forward to trading my 4E for the GTS. I'd have to say the battery is tooooo heavy and so annoying during spiritual driving at some twisty country roads. The whole hybrid drivetrain takes away the potential of the Panamera chassis tuned by Porsche and i'd never buy another hybrid Porsche unless they can reduce the weight of the drivetrain from 300KG to around 100KG at some point
@absolutelybrightstar
@absolutelybrightstar 3 жыл бұрын
I like your videos, hope to meet you one day to talk about cars.
@armyandblink47
@armyandblink47 3 жыл бұрын
Is the 2021 Panamera turbo S worth buying or leasing? Any suggestion, please. Thank you!
@Nickbaldeagle02
@Nickbaldeagle02 Жыл бұрын
Yes.
@Wet--Fish
@Wet--Fish 3 жыл бұрын
Turbo S, would you take this or the Taycan?
@greengarth
@greengarth 3 жыл бұрын
What is your opinion, this car or your GT63S. I have a 2019 GT63S and love it. I have looked at the Porsche but to me they don’t have the quality interior the GT63S has. Thoughts?
@LVraidersFan123
@LVraidersFan123 3 жыл бұрын
Porsche interior is very tight. Surprised you think MB is better.
@shots998
@shots998 3 жыл бұрын
Ive been in both many times and the Panamera interior is far better imo. Looks wise and quality wise
@eknoorsandhu2349
@eknoorsandhu2349 2 жыл бұрын
Dawg the gt63 interior sucks
@zilaliandcompany8836
@zilaliandcompany8836 3 жыл бұрын
Faster than m5 competition?
@johnwarnick1259
@johnwarnick1259 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds nice, but Maserati still has best sounding exhaust systems.
@kamaluddin-zv5rh
@kamaluddin-zv5rh 3 жыл бұрын
Nice
@hamSAH713
@hamSAH713 3 жыл бұрын
i wanna see this against the gt63
@pomaze1
@pomaze1 3 жыл бұрын
There is no substitute.
@charlieboylol527
@charlieboylol527 3 жыл бұрын
How is it compared to a Bentley GTC,thanks 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿👍
@edgargomes8003
@edgargomes8003 3 жыл бұрын
How come i saw 2 different wings?are there 2 types of wings for the panamera
@scottstewart5784
@scottstewart5784 3 жыл бұрын
he drive two different models in the video
@kt10208
@kt10208 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, only the turbo s models (with the v8) get the folding ’transformer’ wing. Other models get the simpler spoiler.
@zaingondal6433
@zaingondal6433 3 жыл бұрын
Review the rs6...
@tyreevans5928
@tyreevans5928 Жыл бұрын
Umm you mean 620 BHP??
@krabbe969
@krabbe969 3 жыл бұрын
Loooks soo goood
@josemanuelandradedearaujo5576
@josemanuelandradedearaujo5576 Жыл бұрын
GOTE O CARRO Porsche Panamera Turbo S Fun Boa Andrade de Araujo José Manuel FRANCA 76
@mislead1070
@mislead1070 3 жыл бұрын
Actually, the BMW M5 Competition, Mercedes AMG e63 s, BMW M8 GC Competition and the Mercedes AMG GT63s 4dr are faster than the Panamera turbo s!!! So, its not really the fastest Super Saloon!!!
@itbeginx
@itbeginx 3 жыл бұрын
What makes this more luxurious than gt63 aside from the brand logo? From what I can tell the interior of the gt63 is way nicer.
@veljkomitric4453
@veljkomitric4453 3 жыл бұрын
Its all personal taste, i like this interior more than those screens in the merc but somebody likes them, it all depends on what that person likes
@PhatTok
@PhatTok 3 жыл бұрын
This is an ok looking car for the first time but made to look really ugly in the Sport Turismo model if you need proper seats at the back. It will be a great car but Porsche have got to better with their design, it's just a 4 door 9-11 but losing all the appeal of the 9-11 while not giving much more.
@hammmodjabeer7278
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All revised all changed bla bla bla. Anyone who worked on audis 4.0 tfsi or Porsche 4.8's and even these Porsche updated 4.0 motor, know that Porsche might make very special and unique cars in terms of performance and interior quality, but sadly it can be very unreliable in some cases. I've seen people sell their panamera or cayenne for a Lexus. How much do You have to have pain to do that? Ask yourself this question. German cars are performance marvels but other than that they can be a horrible horror story. It's all good if the dealer repairs your expensive junk under warranty, but if you have to take out 90k euros out of the pocket for a brand new motor or 35k for a new transmission, because the dealer doesn't somehow want to cover it under warranty, then it's either court and legal addressing which can be time consuming and the result might not be in favor for us. I've seen cylinder walls go shit on rs6/7, I've seen torn camshafts of Porsche engines, I've seen blown bmw M motors even though they were maintained well. Sorry, but I don't accept a 200k euro car or 300k euro car to be unreliable, no matter how fat our wallets are, it's still our money that we had to work for in one way or another. Now we're stepping into the unthinkable nightmare of ev crap, this will be another 20 years of german engineering surprising us with performance, but at the same time letting us down on reliability. I love and hate German cars.
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