2021 vs 2017 Daiwa Legalis LT 3000D-C First Impression and Comparison, Best Spinning Reel at $69

[@brianpeter7139]

@4:40 It's actually the body that is different. Part No. 45 on the new reel, Part No 44 on the old reel. Compare the parts sheets, they are different part numbers. The new body is made from Zaion-V material versus their older Carbon Lite material. The material itself is both lighter and stronger, but also the new body has a thicker handle section. The two together were redesigned to eliminate the handle flex that was a major complaint with the old version. Other than that all the parts are exactly the same and interchangeable. Just the main body was the change.

[@TTangOutdoors]

Thanks for the comment! You know after using the 2021 version for 2 seasons I don't think the upgrade is an actual upgrade on the 2500/3000 size. I actually like the 2017 color better. I'm sure guys who fish 4000/5000 size would appreciate the Zaion V upgrade. I mean I caught close to 30lb pike on these older LT reels never felt the flex.

[@brianpeter7139]

@@TTangOutdoors Ya, I'm with you on that. I like the new Zaion V body for the lighter weight and increase in handle rigidity, but why they went with that ugly blue color I don't know... They actually have 2 versions of the 2020 redesign with the new upgraded body. Europe got a really classy looking black and gold version similar to the 2017 model (slightly darker gold, looks great) that also has an extra bearing under the spool, but called "Legalis LT". North America for whatever reason got the ugly blue modded version without that extra bearing, and a completely different spool, and confusingly also called "Legalis LT". But they are different versions of the same reel for the 2 markets. No idea why they do that. It's a great reel either way, but I would 100% prefer the European version. If shipping wasn't so expensive I'd have ordered that instead of getting the ugly N/A version from Cabelas on sale for $74.99.

[@TTangOutdoors]

You sure the European version has a spool bearing too? I just checked daiwa France website and it's 5+1 which is the same as NA legalis. I got a couple 2021 Daiwa Fuego CS(Zaion V), the color is so fire I love it. Do you know that you can get the CDM version of the Zaion V legalis from Aliexpress? It's called Legalis CS. Lots of Aliexpress stores don't charge shipping. I've bought quite a few reels from Ali.

[@ИринаЕгорова-е9у]

*Bought a 500 for an ultralight rod. It's very smooth **enjoyable.fishing** recommend casts great. One odd thing- the bale wire is a bit heavy diameter in my opinion for a reel of this size. But a great purchase.*

[@TTangOutdoors]

A 500 size for Daiwa LT? I thought the smallest size is 1000. Yea the thick bail wire could be a little big for that size of reel. But I prefer it over Shimano thin weak bail. Thanks for watching!

[@MuahMan]

I like the colors of the new one. I bought three in 2500, and 3000. Usually buy the Stradic Ci4 but they are constantly out of stock and their replacement the Vanford as well. These Daiwa Legalis are way better than I thought they would be.

[@TTangOutdoors]

Nice I love to color too. People need to wake up on these Daiwa lower end reels. Best for the price.

[@stickfiguretree5411]

Been fishing with this for 3 days now and it feels like an upgrade from my pflueger. It's so smooth.

[@TTangOutdoors]

Glad to hear that Cody. What size is your legalis? Pfluger is nice just not as light as Daiwa. I will fish with it this week.

[@stickfiguretree5411]

@@TTangOutdoors 2500, got it from sportsman's warehouse. They had low stock

[@TTangOutdoors]

Nice I'm thinking about returning my 3000 and get a 2500. I simply don't need that big of a spool. Yea they are low stock everywhere. Hopefully restock coming soon.

[@eli8699]

@@TTangOutdoors 2500 out kow at academy just ordered mine

[@billsutorius2753]

Nice video, great job explaining the details of this reel. I feel confident that I will now buy one of the new models thanks to your review 👍🎣

[@TTangOutdoors]

Thanks Bill! I've used this new Legalis for almost 2 years now. No issue and caught me lots of fish and still going strong💪

[@duanebledsoe7566]

I saw another video on this and they demonstrated that Daiwa had also widened the stem where it meets the reel body. This is visible looking at it from the front or from behind. No difference was visible from the side. That plus the new frame material has solved the flex problem. I would say the rear cap having that gap and a slight angle change also contributes to strengthening the stem.

[@TTangOutdoors]

Great observation Duane! Was it i_fish KZbin channel you watched where he talked about stem thickness? Daiwa listened to the consumers and yes my initial thought on the new back plate is the same as yours. I think it does help with the rigidity of the stem.

[@duanebledsoe7566]

@@TTangOutdoors yes it was i_fish.

[@jaybee006]

Thanks for the review. I just bought the 2500 XH (high speed version) from Salt Strong. Haven't tried yet but should put it to the test soon on sheepshead and trout!

[@TTangOutdoors]

No problem Jim and thank you for watching. I think you meant 2500-XH model. Salt Strong is pretty big on Daiwa reels, I watched most of their reel reviews. You're gonna love it. It's so smooth and light. Have you heard of the new 2021 Daiwa Fuego LT? I will be doing a review video of it. There's no legit English review of it yet.

[@jaybee006]

@@TTangOutdoors Yes. Just edited to XH. It has the 6.2 to 1 retrieve vs. the 5.2 to 1. Just 55.99 with club membership at Salt Strong/Fish Strong. I like the Daiwa reels. Have several including the BG 8000 for bottom fishing grouper, snapper, and AJs. Heck of a reel for the price! This one should also fit the bill.

[@TTangOutdoors]

I have the 2500 size Legalis mainly used for fresh water walleye and pike fishing. Not sure how it'll hold up in the salt. The drag is powerful I think I will handle salt water fish well. I'd get the Daiwa Fuego just because it has water resistance.

[@jairusaudwin2605]

Thanks for the video. I have been looking video that covers 2020 Fuego vs 2017 Fuego because i fish salt water, but i couldnt fine any. Thanks to you, now i know the main difference which is the more rigid and lighter body on 2020 model. I do feel some flex on the stem when fighting bigger species or when using heavier sinker on the 2017 model. So 2020 model has an improvement on this department.

[@TTangOutdoors]

Yep you got that right buddy. The upgrade in the new fuego is the same as in the new legalis. I'm curious what size fuego you used to feel the flex? I used 2500 and 3000 and didn't feel much flex, I'm sure it exists. You're welcome, I'm glad this video is reaching lots and provides answer to a lot of us.

[@RedfishBass]

The frame and side plates and rotors on the new model and older. Are made of a carbon composite material. Not zaion . The daiwa proycon lt line is the first group of reels to offer the zaion material. And the original proycon lt have been discontinued. But are still available. Next reel to offer the zaion material is the daiwa tatula lt .

[@TTangOutdoors]

I mean Zaion is still carbon composite just denser carbon strands. Zaion V has more carbon than the DS5 carbon composite material used on the 2017 legalis LT.

[@CATCHFISHORDIETRYIN]

Nice 👍, I just ordered the size 4000 today, looking very forward to getting it & using it. I can't wait...

[@TTangOutdoors]

Glad you are able to get one! Stock is low where I am. Enjoy!

[@TTangOutdoors]

The New Legalis kept the anti-reverse switch, so if you like back-reeling it is still an option. (To me, it's just 1 more entrance for water to get in the gears)

[@duanebledsoe7566]

I use this switch whenever I over reel and have to back off just a little to position the bail to open and make my next cast. Also when I wind the bait up all the way to the rod tip accidentally. It’s just convenient for me. I suppose it’s possible to just pull the line out against the drag a bit instead, but that might mean backing the drag off to do it.

[@TTangOutdoors]

Good for you man. Maybe I should try it and see how I liked it.

[@mathewlinder4764]

I subbed after your first sentence.

[@TTangOutdoors]

I appreciate it Mathew!!

[@AnglingSpiders]

Nice comparison, thanks for the video.

[@TTangOutdoors]

Thanks and you're welcome! This is probably the best spinning reel at $90.

[@Henry-xh8ec]

Awesome review. Im glad you checked the stem flex and compared the weights, interchangeable butt plate and handleknob play. Alot of the same items i compare. You should do more reviews.

[@TTangOutdoors]

Thanks Henry! I appreciate like minded people checking out the details. Thanks for the encouragement, I can definitely do more reviews as long as I get the fact straight.

[@Henry-xh8ec]

Are the spools interchangeable from old to new model?

[@TTangOutdoors]

@@Henry-xh8ec yes the spools are interchangeable.

[@madalindrugea9576]

hi , can you please attach a photo with the schematic of tge new legalis ?

[@TTangOutdoors]

I can't attach a picture in an already uploaded video

[@tedgaddy7398]

Just a heads up on weigh, you really think your store bought commercials sold scale would be more accurate ?

[@TTangOutdoors]

Probably not the most accurate scale. I would think it proves the weight difference between the new and old models.

[@joed2497]

Hey good review on this 21 Legalis LT here but let me ask you something when fishing this (Newer Version) does it feel more Rigid (less flex) with this newer (Zion V) Material would you say? and also about the (Folding Handle) that right hand side (Cap Screw) does it loosen up while fishing or remain tight?....Thx, JD

[@TTangOutdoors]

Hi Joe, thanks for asking. I don't feel felx on either new or old material.... so I can't really tell you. I actually fished both reels. The handle screw cap does turn with he handle but I didn't notice it loosen up.

[@LuRanOutdoors]

Nice video man!!! You are slowly turning me into a Daiwa fan boy also. Lol. I think the new back plate is probably for lighter weight? Or somewhere to hang your reel up? (Jk. Lol). Love the t handle, won't be having sore thumb with that! However I think I like the black and gold color of the old one better... I don't know.. haha.. blue is growing on me tho.

[@TTangOutdoors]

I just love the fact that Daiwa keeps competing with Shimano with innovation every year. The back plate is light plastic so they barely contribute to the total weight. Hey, you can definitely hang it somewhere haha, great idea. I love the black and gold, but they are hard to find on the market now. I will probably return the blue and get a 2500 size, spool way too deep.

[@dafisheries2297]

How it a work for big carp fish in sweet water

[@TTangOutdoors]

What's sweet water?

[@dafisheries2297]

@@TTangOutdoors Fresh water

[@TTangOutdoors]

@@dafisheries2297 oh yeah I've caught a few decent carp on the reel. Drag is perfect to play a big carp!

[@tuanduy061]

Are the spools of the newer and older models the same for a given size?

[@TTangOutdoors]

Yep, different cosmetics but same line capacity

[@UzunKamis]

Thank you very much for the very nice review. Are the handles and spools interchangeble? Do they run properly when interchanged? Thank you.

[@TTangOutdoors]

Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. Yes the spools and handles are completely interchangeable. I haven't fished with a 2017 spool on 2021 body so I can't tell you. I think it'll work just fine.

[@UzunKamis]

@@TTangOutdoors I have 2017 Legalis LT 2000S-XH and 2500XH with extra spools. I just wanted to renew my bodies, this is why I asked the question. I just bought 2021 Legalis CS LT 4000 XH, but not used it yet. Everything with the new body makes me feel good but the gap in the back plastic, which may accumulate some water inside. Thank you once again...

[@TTangOutdoors]

Ok I see. Honestly I don't like the gap in the new back plate design. I swapped the older LT reel back plate onto the new legalis haha. I don't think your 2500 legalis butt plate would fit the 4000 reel.

[@sonnypolicarpio1701]

Back plate for the looks only

[@TTangOutdoors]

Makes sense! I prefer the old look but I guess that's to just signify the new Zaion V material

[@CATCHFISHORDIETRYIN]

Hey bro, I'm curious, what are those plastic washers that come inside the box used for/how do I use em or do I need to add them to my new reel because I just received my 2021 Legalis 4000D-C.

[@TTangOutdoors]

Those are the same washer on the main shaft above the drag clicker. If you add a washer your line lay will lay heavy towards the bottom of the spool. If you remove a washer it will lay line more top heavy. Usually you don't need to add or remove as the line lay should be good out of the box.

[@CATCHFISHORDIETRYIN]

@@TTangOutdoors Excellent, well explained. I just learned something new from you. Live & Learn. Thank you.

[@TTangOutdoors]

No problem and you're very welcome. I learned a lot from KZbin. Glad I'm able to help. And enjoy your reel buddy! Out of the box these Daiwa reels tend to lay line a little heavy towards the top. That's normal.

[@bobjohnson7207]

Awesome Review somehow I own mostly Daiwa rods and reals.I must have good judgement of Quality and Value.& overall design. I like the Classic screw through handles It was one of Daiwas greatest inventions. The handle looks cheaper but again it's a nice Daiwa design. The colour would match my boat. Daiwa address frame flex by widening neck on Regal. I wonder if the side plates are interchangable with either the new regal or old legalis which is thinner than the regal.

[@TTangOutdoors]

Thanks Bob! I found the hex style inserted handle to be a little bit smoother than my screw on Exceler handle. Not sure it the back plate would fit on he Regal but I'm guessing it will.

[@TTangOutdoors]

Sorry Bob I get what you mean now. Regal upgraded the stem and side plates to be thicker yes. I think if I compare the new Legalis side plate to my exceler I should be able to find out if new Legalis kept the Regal thickness. Great observation Bob!

[@deproofgod4135]

Do you think Legalis 2500D-XH is too small for my 7'9 MH rod? I can't find size 3000 in my local store.

[@TTangOutdoors]

Hey buddy. What kind of fishing are you planning to do with this combo? Salt water or fresh water? That rod sounds like is for big fish fishing. What kind of line are you putting on the spool?

[@deproofgod4135]

Normally I do fish freshwater like Catfish or Pacu 2-8kg fish. And that rod is my 2nd rod I know nothing about fishing gears at that time and I was scare that small power rod is easily break. I already got the right setup for myself but I want to get another reel that fit with that rod and only Legalis 2500D-XH is available in my local store I have to wait around 2 month for the bigger size arrive.

[@deproofgod4135]

PE Braid as main line and Fluoro as leader.

[@TTangOutdoors]

I see, I think it will work for freshwater fishing the 22lb max drag of the legalis will handle most fish. However because the 2500 is very light (only 7.2oz) it might not balance with your big rod as well. You might wanna put the reel on your rod and give it a feel. And I think you will have no problem spooling 8lb to 40lb line because of the deep spool large line capacity. This reel was sold out in my area as well quickly after the release. Due to covid I believe shipments have been delayed and inconsistent. I think it will work just fine with your mh rod. Cheers

[@TTangOutdoors]

@@deproofgod4135 by the way I use the same braid main line fluoro leader too. 10lb suffix 832 braid and 15 lb fluorocarbon. I do a lot of casting lure fishing with this reel. Paired with 7ft ML fast 13fishing omen black 3 rod.

[@Anti_ZionisNKRI]

The Spring guide still old School?

[@TTangOutdoors]

Spring guide? Did you mean the bail? It's the same air bail on the old model, feels the same looks the same.

[@Anti_ZionisNKRI]

@@TTangOutdoors no... The Spring that under the bail arm... Is it Spiral spring or juat V shape wire?

[@TTangOutdoors]

It is a spiral spring.

[@Anti_ZionisNKRI]

@@TTangOutdoors Thanks

[@minhtrung3557]

How many dolar pro ? 2021 legalis 3000

[@TTangOutdoors]

89 Canadian dollar or 69 US dollar

[@DannyBoyOutdoorsTravel]

Great review Tom, I will stick with Daiwa for the rest of my fishing career😅

[@TTangOutdoors]

Thanks Danny! Bold statement haha and I'd say that's a great decision!

[@robertveith2255]

Like them both hard to say !!!!

[@TTangOutdoors]

Oh yea me too haha. I fish them both.

[@robertveith2255]

Fish for the same fish you do !!!!

[@TTangOutdoors]

There we go haha. I'mma film some walleye fishing sessions on the new Legalis. Hopefully it gives people a good idea of the performance.

[@FishingLifesProject]

all parts its same, only 2 piece's is different, 2017 its much mutch beater that newer.

[@TTangOutdoors]

Yea I like the 2017 better too. The Zaion V materials upgrade isn't that important to me on a 2500 size

[@FishingLifesProject]

@@TTangOutdoors yep and for me mate.. The little different about weight can't excuse why we should buy it. New generation for color, and one fit ,its not enough to give Extra money . Is just marketing.

[@TTangOutdoors]

I agree if there's still stock for 2017 it's a good buy. I do like the 2021 version of the Fuego LT. The red is sexy

[@FishingLifesProject]

@@TTangOutdoorsyep 😁😁🤙

[@carlospadilha7197]

Sorry man, but the new reel has no diferences compared with de 2017 model! That peace you interchange, is the only diference there are in the two reels! The body they call Zaion V is the same thing as the previous legalis with some mixture of carbon, as they say!! And diferent color....! nothing else!

[@TTangOutdoors]

I agree.... not very much change at all. I would still recommend people getting the older models if they are available. The new ones are 0.2 oz lighter tho. But I don't they they need to be lighter cuz they already got other brands beat. I wonder how much better can spinning reels get in the future for the $70 price range😁

[@traviswhitworth6506]

@@TTangOutdoors I just ordered the 2021 2500d xh for $55. I have two 2017 models too. Great reels! I also have an exceler which is basically the same except the handle is different.

[@TTangOutdoors]

That's awesome! They are the best at that price point! I also have an Exceler. Recently got a few 2021 Fuego LT. Gonna do a video on it!

[@spartandan3014]

Thank God for no flexing on this reel. I bought some new Lew's reels and they flex on 4 lb bass like it's nothing and they screw me up.

[@TTangOutdoors]

I have never used Lew's but I think in 2022, no flexing or no significant flexing should be a standard now. Daiwa been improving every year and I'mma fan.

[@m-rezaabazar-ghafari8757]

Very very good reviews. Thank you.

[@TTangOutdoors]

No problem! Thanks for watching!