2022 Fairhope Jubilee • Paige Pierce • Madison Walker • Tina Oakley • Chloe Alice • Emelia Marshall

[@thediscgolfguy]

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[@thediscgolfguy]

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[@jdragoon099]

You can usually tell who is right and who is wrong by who is willing to have a conversation. Do what you like, but remember that censoring others makes them the victim.

[@modgmodg6987]

All four. Did and done. Thanks Terry.

[@TheZachstylez]

"...that doesn't mean this comment section has to be a vile or insulting" Comment section: OMG HE'S CENSORING MY BELIEFS

[@jziskind]

@hyzerponix Nobody owes you a debate on anything

[@k2OS]

When I become emperor of the world, the 2m rule will be the first against the wall. As Dustin says well, it's unfair in the random nature of it.. Jeremy Koling illustrated it perfectly too during a practice round by pointing at a disc that was caught in a fork in a tree at 1m and saying 'how is this OK, when one just 1m higher isn't?'. Again good commentary and coverage and nice place by the ladies. I love the smooth play of Madison and Tina especially

[@Rew123]

Many things in disc golf are random. Here's an idea...don't throw your disc into a tree.

[@seymourglass26]

@@Rew123 Ah, someone who must live in California where your home course is on an old golf course. Must be nice to have all that wide-open space.

[@neighbsCS]

This coverage rocked! The duo of Terry and Dust is really awesome and I like the pace Dustin uses in casting. He reminds me of baseball play by play and I was a fan of his shoutcasting too.

[@eddieroberts2919]

Madison is beautiful.

[@maggiemae4585]

This looks like such a fun card to be a part of, with everyone cheering each other on. Love to see camaraderie and great sportsmanship.

[@PWheat23]

I love this channel! It gives me a lot of great coverage of disc golf and is something I look forward to watching after I get home from work. Thanks for your hard work!

[@thediscgolfguy]

You are welcome. Plenty more to come!

[@kryoutube214]

Thanks so much for this! Love it!

[@sofaqueen9405]

Loving this coverage. Thanks so much Terry for keeping us entertained in the offseason! It's really appreciated! I also appreciate your clear stance on respecting people's humanity. That takes courage. The disc golf world is lucky to have you.

[@yomgui84]

I can see the interest of the 2m rule in one only situation : to prevent people from throwing up and over, trying to crash in the trees after "cheating" by avoiding a narrow fairway. I'd like to see the 2m rule in effect on certain holes only, like you add some OB or mandos to make the players throw the intended shot.

[@justinchoi6666]

This commentary duo was amazing. Thoroughly surprised I enjoyed listening to someone I don't know anything about. Terry, as always, great job

[@jamesbyington4764]

Thanks for fpo coverage.my favorite kind.

[@taakotuesday7878]

Pretty sure I've seen hole 16's bent basket drawn on a few tournament stamped discs

[@kramersanders21]

I just like watching anything u put up Terry miller I like a short technical course in the woods is always fun to watch!

[@Bussipysakillah]

Great coverage, thanks a lot to all involved! To me, the 2m rule seems a bit of an arbitrary addition to the rules. Like on top of everything else, your disc must not get stuck in a tree. I just don't feel like that's what throwing discs is about, but I don't get too worked up about it.

[@joeallmon6942]

Glad you mentioned the meter from the fence rule.. i thought so , but questioned myself when a player on the men's MPO card didn't take relief.

[@SuperKartoffelpuffer]

I never play on courses with grabby trees, but it does seem very arbitrary that some shots fall out and some dont. Or one disc is 1.9 meters up and is safe, but another is 2.1 meters up and OB. As a compromise, rather than a blanket two-meter rule, what if a certain tree or bush was designated as a bunker of sorts? So if you get stuck in a "bunker tree", it's a stroke penalty, whether it's a foot off the ground or thirty. And if it's not a bunker tree, no penalty. Thoughts?

[@kingdavey90]

I like this

[@tracyruggles8423]

I like the idea of identifying specific bunker trees, shrubs, bushes. Similar to ball golf sand traps or putting greens that act as hazards with a penalty stroke. Then, we'd be able to say as soon as you're in California all foliage 2m and above is a bunker ;)

[@Hszion]

I think the 2 meter rule should be course dependent not state, sometimes it adds to the course.

[@coreywood6234]

Terry, great coverage of a C tier in Jan. I prefer shorter more Technical courses.

[@richardparker5975]

We have a couple private courses here in Spokane where the owners are from Cali and we play the 2 meter rule. i like it except for when i get one

[@BSalx28]

Thanks for the great coverage! 🤓

[@ken33461]

Thank you for this coverage. Though I have never played with the 2 meter rule, it makes sense to be in use. Had no idea until I read the comments some question the eligibility of a player as I was more focused on how poorly Pierce was playing.

[@saulguccimon1616]

I think as players progress and become better the 2m rule could prove useful in making a hole more difficult/fun. Especially is areas with less trees and natural barriers. I think making it function more as a selective OB or Hazard per hole could be fun.

[@brooksy3069]

terry is ofcourse great at commentary, but his other commentator is an absolute pro

[@jake_a_g]

I just think 2 meter rule should be applied with intention. Maybe a course can have it. Or even a specific hole depending on the course design.

[@grahjnn]

2 meter rule should be hole by hole, just like OB - I’m sure there are some holes, somewhere, where you really want to discourage some sort of over the top play. Just like an OB designation, it could be an individual use case to add some difficulty to a hole. Just thinking out loud, but curious if this would or wouldn’t work.

[@thediscgolfguy]

It absolutely can be used on a course by course basis, a hole by hole basis and even down to a single tree. Those are some of the options TDs have when declaring what is or isn't out of bounds. The decision is left up to the individual tournament directors so it's interesting to see how many people are so fired up exclusively at the PDGA about this.

[@tylerball9600]

I like the hole by hole basis thing. Makes a lot of sense.

[@benjam9035]

What happened to Walker on 15? Looks like she had a par & it was a 5?

[@thediscgolfguy]

I'm gonna have to look into it because now I'm confused as well!

[@Brettsparadox]

Dang people really hate the 2m rule. To me it adds to the game and makes it better, some lines you don't take because you don't want to stick 2m or higher in a tree. If you don't want to risk it then don't throw at a tree or throw that high lol And it's not really arbitrary, if you don't throw at that tree it isn't going to stick.. its the same way with some baskets on a slope, if you don't want the disc take a bad roll down the slope you have to play different

[@scottc4076]

Hey Terry & Dustin, MATH IS HARD 🤪🤪🤪

[@ojistatusn8ive814]

I don't "like" the 2 meter rule by any means, however this is competitive combat and it can equally play its part against everyone participating in the event. Even in casual rounds with my fellow discmates i still like to jokingly comment "2 meter rule!!" whenever any of us get our disc stuck up in a tree lol

[@caseybrooks]

Thanks for being Terry.

[@DingleBerryDG]

22:57 Madison hittin us with the mid round wardrobe change.

[@thediscgolfguy]

Haha, good call. I didn't even notice!

[@joevegas7443]

Sure 😃

[@thediscgolfguy]

Seriously, I hadn't. I think it was some magic behind the shrubbery trick thing she pulled. #OhMadz

[@jonspell88]

Against the 2m rule (because I land in trees often?)

[@nobudgetdiscgolfvideos1814]

I’m not a fan of the 2 meter rule, but I don’t have a problem playing with it in effect as long as I know ahead of time.

[@HoldenCameras]

Thanks for the footage, however at @38:11 that "short list" includes 33 Women just from one day at the Throw Pink's USDGC - third round...

[@thediscgolfguy]

Short memory that I have but you are 100% right!

[@mikegreene1167]

2m rule eliminates the time spent trying to retrieve a disk during play. but the penalty of hitting the tree to begin with in usually enough of a penalty so in general i dont think the 3m rule is needed.

[@_Joy_Unleashed]

2 Meter rule should be followed. If exceptions keep being made to not follow the 2 Meter rule than landing on top of the basket from outside circle should always count as a disc scored, not just a tap in for another stroke. 2 meters should stand. Always.

[@jamesmorris5074]

If the course is a clear wooded fairway with wide open lanes, I would be for the 2-meter rule. If there is a lot of brush and tight gaps on a wooded course, I would be against using the 2-meter rule.

[@oruatyrim]

2 Meter rule.. Most everyone's main defense is "It's a bad shot' if it's stuck in a tree!"---- Well, so is a bad putt/shanked drive.. by that logic, every time you throw and the disc doesn't land where you want it to, it should have a penalty shot added, along with the fact you're not where you wanted to be. We play a game where trees are used and in courses at all times. Unless you're in a poorly designed course where everything is wide-open and it's HyzerBomb/putt for 18 holes. Poor course design does not warrant penalizing players playing within the elements that are supposed to be on every disc golf course.

[@tracyruggles8423]

2m rule means you just have to think twice before throwing over or through some thick foliage. You don't get to just stick it in a tree and throw from below. You have to take a penalty to move the lie down below it... unless, I guess, if you want to climb the tree and throw from the branch (if it's possible). If you don't want to get stuck in a tree, don't throw that direction.

[@Brettsparadox]

The thing is you already are punished if you throw a bad shot that doesn't land where you want it too because you have to throw it from a spot you don't want too lol

[@tracyruggles8423]

@@Brettsparadox not true in all cases. I know a number of greens here in California where if I just chuck a lazy shot towards the green and get it stuck in a tree next to it, I'm actually rewarded if the 2m rule isn't in effect. The idea of guardian trees is that they are "guardians", not benevolent beings there to catch your bad shot. :)

[@Brettsparadox]

@@tracyruggles8423 True sometimes we get a good bounce off a tree. I for one love the luck factor, keeps it interesting. Though I'd rather be skilled than lucky and avoid needing luck, which at any course worth its salt has at least one good line to throw the discs at

[@seymourglass26]

@@tracyruggles8423 That's great except when the course makes you throw through the woods to get where you're going. I've yet to play a course with an underground route, but most the Carolina courses have no way to just play around every tree.

[@daemonblackfyre2.049]

Please explain how pointing out that biological men have an advantage over biological women in competitive sports is anything but 1000% factual. Because you don't like that I'm telling the truth doesn't make me "transphobic" !!! That isn't debating the issue, it's calling names when someone has a good point you can't logically refute.

[@tracyruggles8423]

The 2m rule is great... you can't just magically move your disc position 6 feet ahead or behind or to the left or right either. If your lie is up in a tree, you have to take a penalty to move it down to the ground (just like you would if your disc landed in water, or rolled out into a street... it's the same logic). If you don't like the 2m rule, then carefully evaluate your throw and the risk of getting stuck in a thick tree. Simple as that.

[@djveeps]

I'm against the 2 meter rule if it's a long course with a Buch of par 4s where you're throwing it really hard/far but if it's a pitch n putt course, like Morley in San Diego, my home course, then yes, by all means enforce the rule because it takes away a lot of super easy shots.

[@BrianKilgoreFFT]

I like the 2 meeter rule. Some people think it is random if you get stuck above 2 meters, but if you throw below that tree you will not get stuvk above 2 meters. It is a risk you take if you throw above the trees.

[@tayloredwards2330]

Love the creativity at 5:40. Also, have never played the 2 meter rule but couldn't see myself liking it. Too random

[@jillianwalin3625]

Emelia marking her lie with another disc on hole 12…

[@MikeMikeFV]

I don't think the two meter rule should ever be applied for casual rounds mainly because most times it comes into play it is because of unfortunate bad luck. And us casual players don't need to be penalized anymore than our lack of skill already penalizes us.

[@Hoshie7]

Definitely agree mikemikefv

[@seanu4963]

Love the content. I would say the 2 meter rule is unnecessary in most situations. I could see it in play as a rule for certain holes where landing in a tree could provide too much of an advantage. I don't think it makes sense to keep it in play for an entire course. People don't usually intend to land in trees, and a lot of courses have you throw in trees so it seems a little excessive to punish the player even more on a course thats already wooded and challenging.

[@andywidner4188]

I think there should only be a two meter rule in effect in an A tear tournament or like a major other than that I don't think it should be in effect because most the time if you have a two meter rule you're off the fairway and will be punished anyway.

[@nunyabusiness6382]

Definitely on the fence with the 2m rule but more leaning towards not having it.

[@thebr0wnhornet]

My opinion on the two meter rule is that it’s arbitrary. Perhaps the rule should be if it can’t be retrieved naturally w no props or assistance it’s a penalty, or that you have to throw from up in the tree on all stuck shots

[@TestTubeBuddies]

I dislike the 2 meter rule, your shot is bad enough if you're in a tree! No need to rub our face in it lol

[@sueinraleigh3091]

Why would you putt from a knee into a headwind? Wouldn’t you have to put your disc nose up?

[@M.Sellers-t5j]

The math doesnt check out does it?.. Tons of pros do it lol

[@darinladd5312]

Start lower, end lower? Good question, though.

[@hotmustardseed]

I’m fine with or without the 2M rule. BUT- make it apply everywhere so there is no doubt.

[@kobebrown2935]

The 2M rule should be always in effect, if you throw a good shot and don’t hit any trees you won’t be punished...

[@mikegasparac5062]

Im against the 2m rule, particularly if the course isnt maintained as well. I play where there are some gnarley bushes. Thats punishment enough, right?

[@nolanteubel6974]

I am against the 2m rule because I am bad

[@matthewcolemere4824]

I dislike the 2 meter rule because it is throws everything off. 9/10 throws in these trees the disc will drop down, so it just seems unlucky that it stays in the tree.

[@SubtleInfinity]

When considering scores and ratings, consistency is crucial. Players playing in 2 meter regions undergo more challenges and inconsistencies compared to those who do not. One could argue the scores and ratings balance out because everyone in the tourney is subject to the same rules but one thing that isn't consistent is when we (in California) have an errant shot or bad luck, we're looking at 5's, 6's, and 7's compared to other regions where they will only be facing a bogey. 2 meter region players are unfairly rated under the same metrics as players not in those regions. The "old school" ego needs to be taken out of the discussion so the sport can be taken more seriously under a level playing field.

[@michaelnewell9662]

anti 2-meter rule - tree hit outcomes are already very random and adding the 2-meter rule ramps that up even higher.

[@TheZachstylez]

Wait, am I missing something? I haven't finished the video, but how does Madison Walker take a double on Hole 15? I saw 3x shots...? Anyways-- 2m rule is terrible. I agree with Dust-- some holes MAKE you flirt with trees, if you are stuck in one then you are already punished enough with distance, why inject random luck as an extra penalty? Game is brutal enough with random log/stick in the fairway/green ruining your planned skip or roller, no need to make it more punishing. I say take as much luck outta the equation as possible.

[@michaelnewell9662]

i was wondering the same - maybe her comeback put hit cage, rolled away, and she missed that too?

[@rickfloyd4352]

I’m from California and don’t like the 2 meter rule. Our local TDs usually don’t make us play it. It would be great if that rule went away. Again, thanks Terry for the coverage.

[@Crunchyr1ce]

I dislike the two meter rule, it's just not that high if you're in a big bush or something and if anything it's mostly a game of chance. And shit I'm two meters tall - should I be worried about that rule? Will I be given a penalty stroke every hole for being 2 m?

[@darinladd5312]

You're 6.56168 feet tall?

[@joebrannon8843]

Coverage is ✅ as always.

[@gabrielkalohelani8540]

I like the two meter rule, but that maybe because i play in california.

[@feliciano1358]

I live in Cali, so I live with it but I think it's a rule that either needs to be eliminated or adopted everywhere else. It seems ridiculous that is a regional rule.

[@scottemery3578]

IM FOR THE 2 METER RULE!!!!!!!

[@hooperbloop7625]

I'm against the two meter rule. Every tree and bush is different. There's no consistency there like most OBs.

[@UnitedStatesNinpoAcademy]

2 Meter rule needs to go. PDGA needs to make a rule on it and it needs to go national or go away. Like a lost disc if you can not get it down within the 3 minutes then its a penalty, mark under it and throw with an added stroke. If it's in a tree, mark it, get the disc down and play on. But if it holds up the card and you can not get it down within the time limit then I can see a penalty. But I'd like to see a final rule we all play by.

[@scottc4076]

PDGA needs to make LOTS of rulings………… …justsayn…

[@TheAlto208]

I've never played a tournament with 2m rule in effect, but it seems like there is too much chance involved in it, so why have it.

[@allisonandrews3266]

I personally disagree with the 2 meter rule penalty stroke. I think the player should just take the shot directly underneath the lie.

[@jordanlamarca7709]

No to the 2 meter rule to random in heavily wooded areas. Especially when the course design wants you to throw high shots of elevation drops through trees.

[@LzyBn1987]

I like the two meter rule

[@williamtvaughaniv6805]

A rule is a rule as long as you know ahead of your play then I’m fine with it.

[@lcharliebishop6651]

100% against the 2 meter rule

[@SSJChar]

I've never had to play in a tournament that had the 2m rule before, and i hope i never have to. i never have thrown a huge hyzer to bypass the main obstacles but having the 2m rule, to me, is not a good way to reduce it. might as well say you only have a 45 degree horizontal window youre allowed to throw off the tpad, 22.5 degrees to the right and 22.5 degrees to the left. just not fun

[@nc3199]

I live in Cali and don’t enjoy the 2 meter rule :D.

[@BenPalm]

I think the 2 meter rule makes sense in a lot of locations. It makes you think more carefully about your shot. So I’m in favor of it. I just don’t like it when you have a horrible shot that then gets stuck in a tree. It’s adding insult to injury.

[@Trazzmatazz42]

Of course I don’t “like” the 2 meter rule but I think it’s fair, and am sad to see it starting to be weeded out of some tournaments

[@stuartautr3441]

Two meter rule is antiquated. You're already punished by having to play from a bad lie and also eating a stroke because your disc decided not to fall. I've seen people get two meter penalties off of skips on fairways and landing in a bush off the side of the fairway. It needs to be removed from play.

[@kellyflynn1376]

I like the rule but hate when I am playing.

[@TheGoldfishstew]

Not a fan of the 2 metre rule. Typically being stopped by high branches is its own punishment. If there are lines the designer wants to exclude then mandos are a better tool than risk of 2m rule

[@wallyb2649]

All the two meter rule does is add a little more variance to a sport that already has a lot of random elements. If you feel like its an arbitrary rule, well so are most of the rules of disc golf, or any sport really. Personally I don't like the rule, if you throw into a tree then that likely is already punishment enough, I don't think a percentage of bad shots should be extra punished because they stick in the high branches while other similar shots trickle though. But a lot of things that happen during a round aren't necessarily fair or consistent, sometimes a disc thrown into a tree by a small miracle hits only air and ends up parked under the basket. That random element is part of the fun also.

[@darinladd5312]

I know. Another example: spitouts ... especially on DGA baskets. That's why my favorite rule is the "Mulligan rule" where I go and pick up my disc from wherever it landed and take the shot again ... as many times as I want! Tournaments are great, but disc golf is art. I could watch Ricky Wysocki throw his entire bag--practice drives--and say "I had a great day watching disc golf!"

[@darreno9874]

The 2 meter rule allows you to throw wayward shots and get a break. So no to the 2m rule

[@scottc4076]

The 2 meter rule needs to go… I play in the woods…2 meter rule is all luck or unlucky… We ALL need to play by the same rules…ALL rules… Thanks for the coverage Terry… 👍👍👍

[@jonc9922]

Love the 2m rule; how many grenades and spike hyzers do you want to see? Other commentator is really good btw.

[@davidcash6370]

I’m not in favor of the 2-meter rule. I’m glad it is not enforced where I play.

[@grimmsop4209]

Not a fan of the 2 meter rule in general. I do see where it could be useful on certain holes but other wise I'd rather see it eliminated from the rules altogether.

[@DHartle03]

Against 2 meter and against being able to use a range finder in a sanctioned tournament.

[@connerloes7224]

I am definitely not a fan of a luck based rule like 2 meter I understand the premise but you can have 10 ppl throw into the same tree or bush and only have 1 or 2 stay up where the rest reach the ground not a good rule imo

[@seanmorris]

Not a fan of the two metre rule, I'm not sure it's a good thing to have regional rulings in the game.

[@darinladd5312]

... you mean like in major league baseball?

[@bigman23511]

against the 2 meter

[@broheme8922]

Paige's accuracy seemed to drop off last year and this tournament doesn't suggest it's back.

[@anthonycaldwell7403]

Hate the 2 meter rule, just my take though.

[@modgmodg6987]

2 meter rule=stupid. Thanks Terry.

[@stuartmccrory8998]

I vote the 2m rule doesn't count unless you can't get the disc back. You have 3 minutes to retrieve it, if you can't get it back, it's a lost disc and you play the rest of the round without it!

[@Eddiefresh]

Totally against the 2 meter rule

[@frolflungren7062]

Tina ❤❤❤

[@kramersanders21]

I don't like to two meter rule cause if your stuck In a tree u lose a stroke 😭...I think that's just rude the game is played on the ground if I can't climb in the tree and throw don't stroke me for it! enjoying the coverage

[@darinladd5312]

But what if it's in the water?

[@kramersanders21]

@@darinladd5312 surrounded by water is always ob

[@darinladd5312]

@@kramersanders21 exactly. if the game is played on the ground then anything not on the ground is ob. by your definition. rude, but logically consistent.

[@kramersanders21]

@@darinladd5312 we all know water is ob a tree is not ob if it's in the fairway common sense

[@darinladd5312]

@@kramersanders21 Perhaps you're just upside down.

[@mykalsykesful]

I hate the two meter rule.

[@dclamp123]

I don't like the 2 meter rule. It's enough penalty having to "play the mini-game" as I call it of knocking your disc out of a tree.

[@Javaman92]

Ah, the 2 meter rule. I'm with Dustin, it seems arbitrary to me. I'm scratching my head thinking that Madison wasn't in a skirt to start this round, right?