2023 Best Food Plot Planting. Part 1

[@keithknechg3217]

Very true,so much conflicting info on food plots.

[@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663]

This is the best information for food plots on this channel

[@mmontaperto2]

All I can say John, thank you for the personal call! I’ll say it again, that says a lot for a company! Great talk and I would say, great advice from the both of us.

[@williamfletcher9753]

Your straightforward approach has my full attention.

[@whatsnextgarage]

I’m right across the river in Crivitz! Holy crap what an informative video! Well done an I really appreciate you sharing these details that help us non farmers build sustainable food plots! I’m in! Watching the rest of this series now!

[@fisherman_of_navarone]

The chalk board is a great way of giving detailed yet concise information we can all use. I really appreciate it. Shout out from the Ottawa Valley in Canada.

[@1974webby]

The doe factor lol your awesome hahahaha . You are soooooo right about that.

[@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663]

I’ve seen properties that do not need much of any summer food. But I’ve also been to dozens that really need it. Habit design and implementation can be a big factor is the holding capability of bucks on a property from May - well past hunting season.

[@lukemorrow3851]

This in depth food plot information is gold! Keep it up! I’ve been buying northwood whitetail seed for years and now all these videos are icing on the cake! Thanks!

[@JackFrostTheDeerHunter]

Always enjoy your videos and learning from you. Been doing this for a few years now and your planting strategies always make sense. I have a 50 lb bag of medium red clover that got donated to me...gonna play around with it in my plots this year. Keep up the great videos!

[@Mark-oq5pf]

Thanks for another great video packed with information John! For anyone new to food plotting(or even the veterans) John has the best seed mixes and is always willing to help. Its nice to see John working with Josh at Whitetail Driven Solutions and Brad at Harper Growing Solutions, what a powerful combination! I've been using Northwoods Whitetails seeds and Plot Dr for a few years while also following Josh Whitetail Driven channel. For a novice I grow some great food plots thanks to these guys, it's great having all of them work together!

[@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663]

Ya Josh’s planting system and theories are something new but I believe we can provide a quality product and service he and his client’s demand.

[@DairylandLegends]

Great information as always!

[@josephtreadlightly5686]

This video passes the b.s. eye test. Things r very situational when it comes to planting. I've been doing this now for 25 years. U can't fight gravity or bend rules such as having sustained & consistent plots when the universe craves for balance. Having a 5 year plan is much more logical than being a Chris Farley character such as Matt Foley. U just aren't going to be able to grab the world by the tail & stuff it in your pocket. In his words, "if u think this way that u might find as u get out there that u aren't going to anount to Jack Squat!" I"m in my 3rd year in a row of central MN drought & all I try to do is embrace what i have & not be freaked out by fighting things that will only amount to wasting time. I have perennial clover in areas that r fringe areas. Only gets sun when it's covered by dew in the morning. I made several small brush piles which grows a nice crop of natural stinging nettles. Deer love the tops & @ 4 feet high it hides fawns well. Clover grows better on the low side than the high. On more open areas that r more susceptible to weeds I planted once years ago a mix of sunny/shady perennial kentucky bluegrass. Every year in early March to early April I broadcast white & ladino clover & there's no weeds. Areas adjacent to that that is pretty sandy w/o enough shade i stopped tilling 3 years ago. Instead I planted Buckwheat. One crop that germinates in June chokes out the weeds while building biomass. Early August I walk through the Buckwheat & broadcast a blend of brassica, trophy rape & forage radishes along with just a little turnip seed. In dry, sandy soil I've had 1 to 2 lb turnips & 15" radishes. But it didn't come overnight. I had to mow nightshade & pig weed down for a while. No plans to till this area cuz planting on the right day & terminating the Buckwheat immediately afterwards is all that is needed. As far as Doe Factory goes I take out 1 mature doe a year with my bow or every other year. Letting a doe live & have fawns there that is out of her is the only management on my part. Remember Field of Dreams & if u build it they will come. They/them is a buck. A farmer wouldn’t let a cow take up valuable real estate when she's done producing & I take that stance on small setups. This doesnt apply to large setups. Due to human intrusion & a little different version of real estate I'm just not going to have mature bucks moving about in daylight hours . John's breath-taking photos are a testament to what u need to set yourself up for success!

[@bcompton53]

Great video! motivated me to place my fall order

[@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663]

Thanks

[@patrealscent]

John, we have had great luck and the best clover plots with Aberlasting Clover, Durana and Bearcat Red. couldnt beleive how durable it is.😮

[@eliinthewolverinestate6729]

Clover mixes with fruit trees and bees works well. Less mowing than grass. The trees with clover needed less water than trees with crunchy brown grass around them. I like the clover mixes enough to plant in my yard in town. Not only do clover lawns require less mowing, but they also need less watering than most grasses. Because clover is a legume, it takes nitrogen from the air and transfers it into the ground, where the gas improves nearby plants and soil quality. Depending on the region, and type of clover it is semi-evergreen or evergreen and tends to thrive in full sun to partial shade.

[@jeremysilcox9362]

Alabama: planting crimson clover, balansa clover, durana clover and chicory on small plots. Then bigger plots wheat, rye, oats, winter peas, and some radish.

[@2ndAmdDem205]

I'm in Alabama too. I'm Buying a new property next month. How did your plots come out?

[@jeremysilcox9362]

The clover/chicory plots were very sparse. Partly because the deer ate them down. We have a high population. 75% of all of the winter peas in the big plots are gone too. The small clover plots will take off here in about a month or two. @@2ndAmdDem205

[@chadoverkamp9407]

Great video love watching them keep them coming Hoping my HD screen comes up with this drought we have here in central MN Sucks!!!!!!

[@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663]

Hope you get rain soon!!

[@jasonaxtell2617]

Great video. Thank you

[@66rmw]

I’m pretty sure I’m going to plant your clover/chicory blend this fall in Alpena Co. Thinking about planting with Oats. So you have an Opinion on BFO ? I planted a small test plot last fall and it did indeed stay green under the snow and the deer were digging for it in muzzle loader season. I like the idea that the oats will die and not compete with the clover/chicory in the spring like rye would. Or is the something I shouldn’t be worried about and just use rye as my nurse crop ?

[@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663]

Oats work fine as a nurse crop but can frost out by November.

[@novchild1968]

Great in-depth video John. Curious with the timing of planting clover with a nurse crop so the grains are still palatable come deer season.

[@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663]

@@novchild1968 early to mid August is our timeframe

[@travissmith-wz5nc]

I am in Lincoln just south of you. About 4 miles off lk Huron. Oats have never stayed green past November 8th. Radish and cereal rye work best for me. Your soil get concrete hard in summer? Or is it slightly lower land and better quality? Love the northeast area.

[@suzmell1]

Hey John this was a really informative video my plot thanks too substantial rains are really beginning too green up what do you think for me is the way too go when I do my fall plot next month

[@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663]

We will work on it

[@davidimig1596]

John looking for your advice on which of your clovers you’d recommend. I have a 1/4 acre plot with a dozen fruit trees. Gets good sun and I have the ability to water if it get to dry. 8ph. Mid to mid/high levels of N,P and P. Green Bay Area. Thoughts? Also thoughts on oats or rye as the cover plot? Thanks as always.

[@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663]

Oats as a cover if your planting this fall Our clover blend will work

[@chadoverkamp9407]

How long with 90 degrees will the HD seed stay good in the ground with minimal to no rain

[@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663]

As long as it’s buried , should be fine for weeks

[@vincealdrich7960]

Love your commitment to seeds and soil content! Returning costumer here. I'm thinking of planting red clover and rye into clay August 1st. I haven't been able to establish brassicas in three years (stunted growth). Looking to add organic matter. Any reason why I shouldn't?

[@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663]

Rye and clover may be a better option Look at Penecal from Harper Growing Solutions to help with the clay

[@carrollsanders9376]

Are you drilling it in or tilled in, if tilled in try slightly sub soiling the clay to break up the hard pan. The hard pan in clay can prevent Brassica from growing.

[@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663]

@@carrollsanders9376 we lightly till before planting

[@carrollsanders9376]

@@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663 Then you have a hard pan that will prevent roots from developing my suggestion is find a small subsoiler and pull it though the soil and break up the hard pan, then plant some deep pentating crops like Alfalfa if you can raise it this fall. If your in the north a deep rooted Legume in summer time will help break up the hard pan.

[@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663]

@@carrollsanders9376 I have done this method for 12 years. We have built organic matter up in our soils. We run enough brassica and radishes as well as summer soil builders to where the hard pan doesn’t seem to be a big issue

[@markc2036]

So can you broadcast your clover, rye and oats over what you just sprayed? Or do you need to scratch the ground first? We're not allowed to disc the road. Thanks

[@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663]

If you can’t disc or scratch up the ground to bury the big seeds, I would just use rye and clover

[@markc2036]

@@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663 thank you

[@johnathanoneil243]

Hello, have a question about Crimson Clover. I know it does well in cooler temps. In higher temps will it go dormant until soil cools down? I'm in SC, heartiness zone 8 and planted crimson around mid-june. Been very hot, up in 90s. Had decent amount of rain so not necessarily drought, just very hot. Will crimson start to take later in fall when temps cool down? So far doesn't look like ANY has germinated..thank you!!

[@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663]

I would think later towards late August early September is better

[@kentschwartz7840]

Can red clover and chicory be planted together in bad in sandy soil

[@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663]

Sure

[@carrollsanders9376]

Chicory does best in sandy soil, red clover does good, but I will not plant chicory with White perennial clover anymore. We are Using Forage Soybeans and Sunhemp planted into white Lidino clover, to feed the deer though the hot months.

[@travissmith-wz5nc]

@carrollsanders9376 why not chicory with white clover?

[@carrollsanders9376]

@@travissmith-wz5nc We drill Forage Soybeans and sun hemp into the clover to have high protein levels in the food plot durring Summer Month, we spray it with 24D-b and Basafran to kill broad leaf weeds. That would kill the Chocory, plus the clover likes clay soils the Chicory likes sandy Soils, so we plant Chicory on sandy soils and Dill oats and brassica into it, along with alfalfa. Every September. It doesn't hurt the Chicory actually helps keep the weeds out of it. We also use Cowpeas and Labb Labb, in clover sprayed with Generic Pursuit Herbicide. Separating the Chicory means both clover and Chicory do better and gives us more option for the hot dry summer months when the clover dries out.

[@nicschaalma3508]

I planted your white clover mix. And it’s coming up ok. But tough year to frost seed with drought …. Can I drill in anything to it this fall to add tonage as it establishes ? Drill in oats radish rye ?? Anything with it ? More clover ?

[@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663]

Oats and rye and more clover if Needed

[@amb221989]

I currently have a bag of your Crimson Clover that Harper gave me, I had planned to throw it with my brassicas this year but do you have a better idea? I have about a 1/2 acre kill plot that I hunt regularly on my 12 acres in Muskegon/Whitehall area.

[@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663]

You can add it to brassica or use a rye/oat combo with it as well

[@amb221989]

@@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663 excellent! Thanks John.

[@mikemccarty1403]

What setting should be used on the EarthWay spreader for 10 lbs per acre?

[@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663]

I use 1.5 to 1.75 Multiple passes until it’s all gone

[@dannjohnsonZ28]

Can i put the clover/chicory blend together with brassica? If they do well should i even bother overseeding with rye?

[@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663]

I would not do that Brassica is a tough way to establish clover blend. I would use crimson

[@mattalderton3723]

I have a brand new 30×60yd area in my hardwoods that I removed leaves trees and stumps I disked one time any advice on what to plant???

[@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663]

Rye and oats

[@bryanmadewell709]

I’m trying to start a small plot on mountain land. I ordered seculsion 360 I’m planning on putting it down first followed by brassicas. What is your opinion?

[@bryanmadewell709]

Also I’m located in middle Tennessee

[@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663]

@@bryanmadewell709 if it’s a small kill plot I’d just use seclusion 360. Brassica May not work the best on a small Plot. How big is it

[@bryanmadewell709]

@@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663 hopefully I can make it 30-30 ft

[@ronbonofiglio7654]

I've retired and am spending my summers 26 hrs of driving time north of my food plots. What would you recommend i do on food plots that I won't attend to from the end of May thru mid October? Soil tests came back surprisingly good. I'm in the western part of Virginia.

[@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663]

That’s a long time to be absent. Couple thoughts 1) can you hire some work out 2) possibly a clover plot but not May need mowing.

[@thomashalonen4732]

Which clover can handle the lowest temperatures and remain palpable green? In the fall.

[@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663]

Clover blend plus chicory stayed green here well into January

[@Mo75149-j]

Are your clovers already inoculated or do we need to inoculate?

[@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663]

They are inoculated already

[@keithknechg3217]

My biggest problem with fall planting is the massive flocks of turkeys just vacuming up the seed.

[@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663]

Use a few coyote decoys That helps us

[@keithknechg3217]

@@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663 great idea,thankyou.

[@justinkelley4984]

You must be talking about WI clover blend lol. Heavy on the berseem. I will never buy their mixes again

[@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663]

Ya It will disappear quickly

[@justinkelley4984]

@@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663 not to mention their Pure Attraction mix 85% buck forage oats. Way too high in my opinion

[@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663]

@@justinkelley4984 I think there is a place for oats, but in a combination with multiple species.

[@justinkelley4984]

@@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663 for sure. Just not at that high of a rate they use

[@jimkindle3563]

💪👊👍

[@craigkowalczyk3516]

The whole doe factory is total nonsense. That other guy thinks he knows more than he does.

[@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663]

When the messaging from a lot of these channels /shows is continually changed , it’s tough to figure out what to believe or what advice to use. So much in the industry has become like the WWE, purely entertainment that you can’t take serious anymore. That is why we are doing this video series. Try to get past all the nonsense and offer folks solid information for their programs.