2023 BMW R1250GS - The Amazing & the Truly Awful

I recently purchased a 2023 R1250GS after nearly five years on a Triumph Tiger 1200. There were a few surprises in store for me! This machine was never going to blow me away, that might be reserved for those trading up from smaller machines, but I wasn't prepared for what I found. There is a lot to like about this bike, but it has its faults too.
My height is 6' (182cm) with a short 29" leg (74cm). I weigh 18St 5lbs (116kg or 257lbs). The bike is a new 2023 R1250GS with stock Anakee Adventure tyres correctly inflated. It is factory stock with zero modifications. I had its first service and there are no issues with the bike.

[@JoeyPaul1]

I have owned both and they were/are the current generation. I’m not even considering going back to Triumph. You do have some legit points but your Triumph bias is impacting your perspective. I have yet to find anyone say the suspension on the BMW is bad. That is out of left field for myself and any other rider I know out here. Triumph is a good bike, but GS is still king when it comes to Adv.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

My Triumph bias is only from my recent Triumph ownership but I have owned more Hondas and Suzukis than Triumph so I'm not their no1 fan or anything. Most people don't say they think their suspension is bad because they think what they have is normal not having sampled better they are non the wiser. The GS is till king of course because the sales numbers say so 👍. Cheers Joey.

[@JoeyPaul1]

@@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff I would love to read or watch they plethora of folks complaining about the suspension. I think and agree with just about everything else. You at the fist and only person I have have read or watched complain about the suspension. Sorry… one person is not indicative of a problem.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

@@JoeyPaul1 as the yoof of today say, “it is my lived experience“.

[@skippynj1979]

I got the gs adventure.. with the electronic suspension... man it's awesome for crunching miles.. trail braking sucks with that front suspension..

[@andrewshore262]

I’ve only had my Triumph GT Pro a few days but you’re right about the suspension, it’s something you notice immediately very plush. I’ve never owned a GS but I have test ridden one, the instruments and switchgear I thought were actually better in my opinion. I love your approach / reviews something dead honest about your delivery, and of course never a truer word spoken when you see some YTubers missing out the bigger problems. It’s clear they’re just acting like paid shills, keeping an eye on the relationship with the dealer /manufacturer so they nurture a steady stream of rides enabling them to produce content and earn revenue. Fair enough…….but it does smack at being fake and some people buy into that.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Congratulations on the GT Pro Andrew, enjoy. Yes, I’m just not convinced we get the full story from most road tests at all for the very reasons you state. You even have to be weary of overly glowing owner’s reviews as that testosterone inside us doesn’t like to admit something might not be right with our purchasing decisions 🫣😲😀.

[@andybrown3508]

Total agree regarding, what you said .

[@motodruid4327]

Two points to mention. 1. The quick-shifter works well when you use it properly - I see other comments mentioning how to let it do its job, it's not for changing gears to slow the motor when cruising. 2. The suspension is fine. It differs from what you may be accustomed to due to the design, but it is not as you suggest.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

I beg to differ. Yes, you can get it to work better if you take your time and it can be good but it is not a patch on so many other bikes, even BMW's own XR on which it is superbly light and smooth and requires no thought. My bike requires a reasonably heavy boot on the downshift, often point blank refuses to drop out of fourth to third without a clutch. Objectively it is poor compared to what is out there. My suspension is fine in many scenarios but it is most certainly not on poor or rough tarmac roads, high speed damping is very poor compared to many other bikes I have owned. Many commenters here who have had the low chassis (LC) and the regular chassis version of the bike attribute what I am experiencing to the LC variant, stating they felt the same on their LC but not the regular setup bike. My riding buddy has a LC GSA, he hates the high speed damping too. Maybe its a geometry thing with the telelever and not the suspension? I still own the bike and it does an awful lot extremely well.

[@motodruid4327]

@@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff Sure, I'm not dismissing what you are saying. I think there may be more to the situation in this case, you may have a bike that is not well put together from the factory and needs the quick-shifter reset. Here's why I'm suggesting this as a possibility. I moved from a 2013 Triumph Tiger Explorer to a 2015 GS Triple Black. The engine and chassis made the Triumph feel slow at the bottom end, rough at the top end, and obviously, a bit top heavy. I also owned a 1200 Monster with a quick shift, and the BMW shift made the Ducati shift feel agricultural by comparison. I later swapped the 1200 Monster for an S1000XR. The S was a smoother shift and handled better, but (here's my other point) It's bound to feel better on the road because it's a road-based bike with conventional forks and an inline four-cylinder engine. The shifter will also be smoother due to that fact. Perhaps you might consider you are comparing two different purpose bikes, and that you may need to have a friend with a GS ride your bike to see if there's a problem to fix.

[@SideQuestStijn]

My 1250 and 1200 all click in and out of all gears with the quickshifter / blipper / shift assist pro. Only the upshift from 1 to 2 is not smooth enough when you’re riding slowly. If your bike sometimes outright refuses to quickshift, I would recommend getting the dealer to fix it.

[@mickfinn2596]

So you bought the lowered suspension version of the GS and are now complaining about the ride? Did you not bother to search the internet for comments about how the GS/GSA rode with lowered suspension? I'm on my 4th GSA, a 1250, all with standard height suspension and whilst the ride on any of them is not as plush as say, a K1600GT, its really not bad. And you missed one of the other major advantages of the BMW suspension and that is lack of dive under braking. As for the brakes themselves, being progressive is surely an advantage not a disadvantage? The brakes certainly work if you pull the lever hard enough. I will agree with you on the quickshifter. Its shit but then thats why God gave us the clutch and a hand to operate it with! As for your other complaints, you are missing out on one of the major functions of the whizz wheel by not having the BMW satnav because the whizz wheel can also control that. I find it particularly useful for zooming in and out on the screen when following a route. Apart from that the whizz wheel/button control is way simpler than on some other bikes and is all the better for that. I also have a Honda Africa Twin Adventure Sports and the controls still fry my brain after 18 months of ownership. And one last comment. The most truly amazing thing about the 1250 engine is the smooth low down torque which means it will pull at virtually any revs in any gear

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Even with ~30mm lowered suspension the travel is significantly more than most road bikes, its should have no bearing on the matter. The two bikes I mention on the same bit of road have far less suspension travel, one being from 1995 and the other from 2018. The CB1100 doesn't even have manually adjustable suspension? I tend not to suffer with dive under braking and so don't find this feature as anything unusual. On a public road and If you are observing well in advance there should be no need to be continually be using your brakes in an aggressive way at all, it is just not required. That does not mean riding slowly, brakes are for stopping at junctions unless you are using the road as a public racetrack. A bike equipped with forks needn't dive at all if you use it correctly. Any bike costing as much as a GS will have adjustable damping, if you are going to brake hard at every bend it is merely a matter of increasing the damping as you would be expected to do if riding aggressively. In summary I don't place any particular value on the anti dive feature of the GS because the forks don't dive on my other bikes either? The brakes If prefer to be more aggressive If I'm honest as I only expect to be using them with gusto in an emergency. You can two finger brake with superb strength in a hurry if needed. They are better than the brakes on my Daytona 1200 and the Nissins on my CB1000 though but not by a lot. Thanks for your input and experience Mick.

[@mickfinn2596]

@@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff Well my Honda ATAS still dives under braking with the front suspension damping set to max so I guess it must be my riding then. I still think the lack of dive on the BMW suspension is a big plus. As for the ride I think you should have ridden the standard suspension version before damning the bike

[@ridicule35]

Lowering a trail bike denatures it’s DNA. Yes it may have more suspension travel even in lowered form compared to your average roadster but it also weighs much more, it’s telelever and paralever suspension geometry makes it squat under braking or over bumps as opposed to forks compressing. The bike might by mechanically lowered but the spring rate on both shocks are the same as a non lowered bike. At the end, your short legs are penalizing the bikes natural performance. I switched from two K16’s to a 1250GSA because it’s suspension travel is literally TWICE that of the k16. The last three years and 40000km have been like riding a magic carpet.

[@Beinhartwie1chopper]

How is the sport suspension with its +20mm

[@aldvex8541]

I had the gen 3 t1200 and then for 5000 km the rally explorer and now i am owner of the gs 1250 triple black . Gs is by far hands down the best suspension i have ridden in any bike with pillion / luggage on and off . I dont know what have you done with your bike but the telelever and paralever works ultra smooth . The centre of gravity and the way the bike handles through corners is fantastic and non comparable also with rhe tiger . Gs can be driven sporty and has more friendly feeling to curve and lean through the corner vs the rally explorer which I was really afraid to lean or drive sporty . The wind protection could be better i have to say but it can be fixed with an aftermarket windshield like wunderlich . The fit and finish is a little bit terrible and you dont expect that from bmw . I have to say terry and keep in mind that the plastics are REALLY REALLY EASY to scratch so keep in mind that ! After all , the engine is really spot on. Very smooth non vibey when touring , smoother than the triumph but when tou are idle 1000 rpm you will feel some.vibes . I personally dont mins because you feel the bike alive in the other hand the bike works very VERY smooth on highways. The gs is the best bike ever made

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Thanks for your experiences Aldvex, we agree on an awful lot and that is why the handling of the bike (on a good road) was in the amazing category, it really is to be experienced. I think the tall, 21" wheel Rally Explorer from Triumph is not selling as well as the GT range as witnessed by free luggage options being offered (in the UK at least) but only on the Rally models. I think the GT & GT Pro are probably Triumph's best bet. I'm not convinced the Explorer's tank layout can compete with the GS Adventure without that boxer twin to offset it. I'm OK with the GS vibes and haven't found them intrusive at all. The engine note on the GS is addictive too. I have a two up trip planned for Europe later in the year, it will be great to see how it fares. 👍

[@lodewyksteyn1369]

Comments on quickshifter - Downshift with throttle closed, Upshift throttle in acceleration state. Cruising at steady state - don't get your hopes up. So in short - more use in spirited ridinng than day to day. It's a shift assistant, not an autoshifter.

[@bikemad75]

Nailed it. 😊

[@stevenharris7788]

Watched your video yesterday and thought about your suspension issue I think that you must have a problem bike because the two gs bikes I’ve had and got have been perfect

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

It’s been back to the dealer for it’s first service and given a clean bill of health. I specifically said I wasn’t impressed with the suspension and they said they were surprised and all was well with the bike.

[@austinmatthews347]

I have owned tons of spirts bikes and nakeds all engine types and the gsai own now is by a country mile the very best. I have owned 2 hexhead 1200rt bimes and an xr the r bikes are the only bikes i have ever owned that were cimfy out of tbe box. Needing very few alterations

[@juliangreaves5684]

I thought that was a great video, Terry. It's good to see the GS subjected to such scrutiny. My two cents, having had the full-height suspension 2018 and a reduced-height 2019 is that the full-height is much better on a bumpy road. Unfortunately that means the bike works best for the taller rider. Because of this and the difficulty I found with heaving it around while parking etc, I no-longer have one, preferring the R (which still has its own issues; too harsh in dynamic and too under-damped in Road). Overall, you're dead right in your observations and BMW need to sort out their suspension damping, quick-shift (on the R-series) and put the thing in a wind-tunnel to control wind noise. Apart from that, it's a brilliant bike and I'm looking forward to seeing what they have done with the forthcoming R1300.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Thanks for the feedback re the two different chassis styles Julian. After most of the comments I was wondering if I was a) exaggerating it or b) imagining it? Given the competition from others, KTM, Triumph, Ducati etc I can't believe they will run with this system on the next bike. I will be in line for that test ride. I wonder if the difference between a GS1300 & GS1400 will be conventional forks and a different suspension setup?

[@TheZbadam1]

Is it possible that the normal height version would perform better than the lower chassis version?

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

This is becoming the common answer from those who have owned both TacNipples.

[@geoloseth]

I’ve loved the suspension on my 2016 GSA model. You have to figure out what rider set up (1,1+luggage,2 rider), then your rider mode, then your suspension setting. I think you’ve missed using some adjustability options on your bike because all those options are in the new 1250 models.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

No, these are not options. That was the older way of customizing the suspension. Now the rear preload is automatically measured and adjusted, that works perfectly. It is the two road modes you have for damping that are the limiting factor. I get it is continually trying to optimise the damping and in "Dynamic" it does create a sharp bike for handling purposes but with poor high speed damping. In the "Road" bias damping it is like riding on waves.

[@geoloseth]

@@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff you can still opt to have it set the preload in any riding mode. Press and hold the suspension button, once the suspension settings appear, press and hold the button again until it changes from auto to either min or max - this is the new version of 1 or 2 rider set up.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

@@geoloseth Hi Seth, many thanks for this info, but I do feel you are mistaken. The Auto Preload is setting the preload based on the measured SAG from the swingarm position sensor on the left hand side of the bike under that small plastic cover. Whether it is a single rider, rider plus passenger or rider/passenger/luggage it is measuring the SAG under that weight and applying the appropriate preload to compensate. It is a closed loop system requiring no human input. They have been doing this on the Triumph Tiger 1200's for many years now. This replaces that open loop manual selection process that you have where it is you making the decision about your load and applying the appropriate preload to compensate. Separately from that I do know about the min and max preload option on the switchgear you mention which affects the preload amount, hence the ride height. This is something different, not related to load and the manual suggest the low setting for convenience and the higher setting for extra ground clearance that you may want when off-road.

[@rodallen2293]

I have always owned GS’s and I switched to the new Tiger 1200 Rally Pro as I was getting bored with the GS. Sorry I couldn’t wait to go back to a GS. You comment a lot about the wonder wheel what about that silly toggle switch on the new Triumph? Trying to use it on the fly you have to take your eyes off the road to look at the switch to make sure your not hitting the blinker switch. Secondly don’t try using the Toggle switch while on a bumpy road that almost is impossible. The 21” front wheel on the Tiger 1200 gives you a little bit of insecurity feeling while going around bends especially when there is bumps. Yes your review was honest but found it hard to believe it all when you were wearing a Triumph Jumper 😂😂😂

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

I will agree I fell out of love with 21" wheels on my Africa Twin over the winter of 2016/17 and decided I would never go back to that size. The Tiger 1200 Rally would not be for me either with its 21". The Triumph jumper was actually my mid layer, made for Triumph by "cold killers", great bit of kit. I did wear it on purpose though 😜

[@mac22011964]

THANK GOD it’s not just me. I have ridden GSs of one king or another since 1984 (I still have my g/s). I love boxer GSs…I have my 2012 GSA which I love. I thought it’s about time I upgrade and spoil myself with a 1250 as a retirement present. Having had one for half a day I couldn’t believe how crap the suspension was. I felt like I was on a bloody trampoline in road mode so decided dynamic was the only option but boy, it that stiff over the potholes…..as for the quick shifter BMW should be ashamed of themselves charging good money for a virtually useless bit of kit. ……BMW have sold tonnes of these things and thought….surely it can’t just be me who think a great bike has been ruined by the damping. My 11 year old (non ESA) Wilbers suspensioned GSA is much better damped giving far greater control and hugely more comfortable. The current electronic set up is a joke….I was genuinely saddened that that amazing engine and chassis was sol let down and that for the first time in 39 years my main bike will not be a GS.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Phew, you are one of the few to concur, I am not the flavour of the day here as you can imagine! I have a Wilbers on my 1995 Daytona and it does a brilliant job too, chalk and cheese in the ride quality from a 28 year older bike.

[@Banditmanuk]

This is why I love owner reviews. An excellent, honest, and at times funny review. I'm considering a move from an MT10 to something more upright and sensible. Certainly food for thought here.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Glad it added to the info gathering. The new GS must be so close I think I would bypass this one for now and see what comes of the new bike. But there will be a pile of the 1250's up for sale at bargain prices once the 1300 gets released. Cheers Banditmanuk 👍

[@samsara3694]

Probably the best review out there. Have some differences, such as the fact I think the the whizzwheel works well, and you do indeed get use to it, as you do a joystick that sits too close to the indicators (triumph!). Also, I find the brakes excellent - much prefer the feel of these brembos over the hayes. Screen, well you either like a short screen and are happy with the trade off, or you aren't and don't. I think these aspects are neutral and depend on rider preferences. Quickshifter, has to be used at the right revs - it's a big boxer that you are changing gear on, not a triple! On suspension, for some reason, they seem to have set up the non-dynamic softer on this compared to the GS1200, and I really don't know why. It isn't good, though I haven't found dynamic much of an issue. But the lack of settings is a real drawback no question. Praise be that you haven't moaned about the Honda drl indicators or the 'unsafe' rear indicators, the latter being the latest modding fad being pushed by the aftermarket guys and without able being to provide a scenario in which they are unsafe.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Yes, the aftermarket are doing a roaring trade on indicator systems aren't they! I had always on front indicators on my Africa Twin, loved them. Thanks for your feedback on the other points, agree completely. It is becoming very apparent, from other posts that the low chassis version of the bike is probably the issue with the suspension characteristics I complain of. Those that have owned both styles have no such problem on the standard height bike but did on the lowered too. Cheers samsara

[@subwayyt]

I’m shocked at the review of the suspension. I find the suspension the best quality of my GS . It soaks up all the bumps and never gets out of shape (maybe because I’m a 10stone rider?) . Apart from that, it was a great review 👍

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Thanks Rick, yes, I'm 18.5st, I think that is having some impact alright.

[@Basalderalder]

@@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff After 55k km on a 2020 1250GS I am surprised about the critical suspension review. Well, I don't have the comparison to a Tiger, but the GS is not limiting me on BADLY damaged roads. I have it always on Dynamic Pro and switch it often on the left handle between Dynamic and Road. Accidently, i was 15 stones when I bought the bike and reached 9 stones a year ago. (96kg to 58) I could say the bike is a bit less mushy, but not by much. More impressive is the positive impact to the experienced power output. Less weight is making the bike nimble af. xD Maybe I am missing something better, since I am satisfied with the existing. Thanks for your experience exchange. Btw: Big compliment to your review. Either you're a hell of an actor or you just simply shared your honest, direct, personal impressions. Obviously without influences of any mainstreams. 👍

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

@@Basalderalder Many thanks for your kind words and documenting your experiences with the GS. This was a totally unbiased review, I have no bad feelings towards the BMW brand at all and I am enjoying the many positive parts of my GS. I plan on doing a more in depth review focusing purely on the suspension to try and explain it more from my perspective and why I think it may be like this. Some comments have highlighted a few things. Take care👍.

[@Hemlck]

I am 19 stone and mine is perfect suspension. He must have a faulty bike.

[@freeheelsak]

@@nf4833stone is a unit of measure in UK

[@MarkATaylor]

😂 Coming from the gen 3 Tiger with its super smooth quick shifter to the somewhat agricultural GS version I agree. Although I’ve found that under load i.e hammering up the revs, it works better and eventually you get used to it.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

It does work better at higher revs but I do still find the gear lever requires some force. I have pretty much reverted to the clutch the whole time now as it does make the gear lever just click in lightly for me. Cheers for posting your experience Mark.

[@PetrolJunkie]

The quick shifter really isn't meant to be used around town. It wants you to bang through the gears at full throttle, it feels a bit stiff even then but it's a lot better.

[@rfk76]

3 years ago I have sold my F850GS for many reasons you mentioned here too. I am shocked 2023 R1250GS is still suffering from so many poor engineering solutions. I absolutely hated level of menus and buttons interface, the crapy navigation and forcing me to buy Gamin from BMW. Connectivity? Poorest ever and not stable (forgetting devices constantly). I was recently considering getting back to GS (from my Husky 701 Enduro, with amazing WP XPLOR suspension by the way) but your video made me want to wait for R1300GS and _your_ review of the suspension, connectivity and user interface (button functions) after a test drive. Thanks for making this video, very informative. Respect.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

I’m glad it served a purpose. Yes, I think the wait for a much needed update would be worth it. Not sure I’d want to be first out the block on the new 1300 purchase though. Every manufacturer is going to have first release problems that will take 18 months or so to sort out. No doubt it will sell very well though. Thanks for watching. 👍

[@SAMFICOM]

Also you may try to bring this bike to bmw and ask them to flash latest software and do suspension calibration. This helps sometimes

[@paulv22]

I have an R1250RS. I'm going to disagree a bit about the quick shifter, but you have to get a feel for it. First, yes, it breaks in a bit. Next, the owner's manual does give some specific and spot on instructions. You have to be on the throttle to upshift and you have to have the throttle closed to downshift. So, if I'm at a steady throttle but want to upshift, I just goose the throttle a bit and it's reasonably smooth. As for the suspension, at least on the RS, the damping is not tied to the rider mode. You can set the mode to road or rain and have the damping set to dynamic. I don't know if the GS is similar or not.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

You can set the damping to dynamic or road independent of the rider modes yes. I have used quick shifters for years on the Triumph and yes they are all better on the up shift on acceleration and off throttle downshift but this bike is particularly bad. It will often flat refuse to drop from 4th to 3rd at all even on zero throttle. It’s not completely hopeless but it is very bad, I shan’t be using it. Thanks for the tips Paul.

[@paulv22]

@@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff I might have gotten lucky on my particular bike, or it's now broken in. That said, it's the only quick shifter I've used so I can't really judge.

[@ExploringJeeps]

@@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff Mine shifts easily from 4th to 3rd. No issues. Take that in to BMW for them to look at. Sounds like something is wrong if it is that repeatable.

[@blearyview2254]

Haha there be foaming at the mouth tonight 🤣🤣🤣Nice honest review.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Cheers Bleary View 👍😀. Yeh, I’m not going to be popular 😬.

[@jay26cee]

Love the no punches pulled review. Wish others would do the same. That said, I am on my 2nd GS (2022 GSA) - previous was 2015 GS. I did test ride the 2022 Tiger 1200 on the same day as test riding the GSA. Coming from another GS (with an even shittier Quick Shifter and gearbox) I was swayed by the GSA with refined improvements over engine, gearbox, Quick Shifter and suspension (even my pillions say how wonderful the new bike suspension is - even on not so good roads) over what I was used to. But also, my niggles with the Tiger were: hard to hear engine exhaust note, snatchy throttle (on a gauge of 0 - 10 it felt like it picked up at 3 - dealer said all new Tigers like that), foot peg position too far back, less comfortable riding position, and the creme de la creme was the really poor dealership experience!! To the experience - had to wait for 10 mins into test ride window to get helped. Eventually, got on the road and something did not feel right with gear changes. Stopped for fuel and noticed the gear change level was bent in towards the bike and rubbing on the frame/engine. Took the bike back. Wasted another 20 mins while they 'sorted it out', and then found out I needed to bring the bike back 15 mins earlier so they could check it over before the next test rider. No apologies or anything. I did get offered a tiny bottle of water. At BMW ... complete opposite. Have it an extra hour they said, free coffee/tea/hot chocolate and biscuits. Of course, I used the same dealer for my previous purchase and services and all have been very good with loan bikes. I guess it comes down to personal experience and preference as we all have our own tastes.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

And doesn't it go to show how a dealer can balls up a sale! When I bought my Tiger 1200 back in late 2017 I had just left the local BMW dealer appalled at the attitude of the service manager. I cancelled my test ride and bought the Tiger the same day. The BMW salesman was fine, I got on well with him when inquiring about the bike. The other thing many Triumph dealers don't do is reset the bike to factory conditions. It is very common for riders to leave the dealer with the suspension damping set all over the place rather than its default level as the previous riders altered it. The throttle condition on the Tiger has been fixed now I believe with a software update. It was the flexible ergos that completely sealed the deal for me, Triumph could not compete on that front at all. Cheers Jay, thanks for a great story of how not to sell a bike!

[@mowman7777]

Great review. 2019 was the first year of the 1250. I have one an have put 40,000 miles on it. It’s an amazing bike, never ridden a Triumph. The torque it has and when it wheelies make me giggle. Quick shifter works smoother in the higher gears and when you’re ripping it. I don’t know much about suspensions but I will say the bike is a little “stiff” and doesn’t absorb the bumps as I’d like. It’s better when loaded down.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Good to know on the loading, I have a two up trip planned for the Dolomites later on in the year.

[@chrisvodka2412]

Fall 2018 was the first year of the 1250. Just for info.

[@northerniltree]

As a 2019 model.@@chrisvodka2412

[@silentspeaking]

We rode this bike on Indian roads a few months back and the bike was completely out of order. Same roads we did also on the africa twin and a tiger 900 Rally, no problems. But the 1250GS felt absolute shite on those bouncy roads. Thanks for pointing out the poor suspension.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Glad you can corroborate my experience.

[@colinstorrar449]

I test rode a 2020 GS and just didn’t like the bike. I thought the engine sounded a bit agricultural and I thought, as you do, the brakes weren’t brilliant. Also like yourself I found the latest Tigers a little tall, so I ended up getting a 2020 Gen3 Tiger 1200 Alpine with with only 2067 miles on it. I also had the lower seat the lower seat fitted, just to give me a little more confidence handling the weight at standstill. I think Triumph missed a trick not adding a low chassis version to the latest model range. Hope you come to terms with your new bike’s nuances and grow to love it.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

I'll have to get used to it! 😃 The Alpine edition is probably the best value Gen 3 Tiger out there, congrats, enjoy.

[@geoffas]

Watching this video, I am so glad that I had the opportunity to ride my BMWR90S and BMWR80GS bikes for 20 and 15 years respectively. I did all my own servicing and repairs on both bikes. Them were t'days?

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

I rode an R90S through London eons ago, it was my brothers, what a bike yes.

[@SW-MOTO]

Interesting review. The service pack is so much cheaper than in Switzerland. We need to pay 2300chf for 5 years option.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Thank you. Oh wow, that is significantly higher, the equivalent of €2384 😲.

[@rtimetoride7645]

I have a 22 Rallye lowered edition. The handling is why I bought the machine, lower center of gravity. Justin road mode it is springy but absolutely floats down the road like a Cadillac. If that bothers you then go to another mode. Yes electronic sucks because you don't know how to adjust it but most people don't know how to adjust their suspension anyway. Concerning the quickshifter going up is just a hoot. Pin it and bang the gears up yes going down it does not want to and the dealership said that. If that little bit makes you get a 1300 more power to you

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

I'd get the S1000XR over the GS after a test ride, the QS is sublime on that. I will have to stick with my choice for now though, trading so early will see me lose my shirt! I do ride in Dynamic suspension bias now and Enduro for the rougher roads even though they are not "off-road" lanes, that made a big difference.

[@infoglobalvino8963]

Enduro mode will do what you need on this roads and that works amazing well

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

some others have stated the same.

[@FenTour]

What lovely scenery, a brilliant looking route. David and I are planning on doing this in June, we will do it over 2 days so that we can visit lots of coffee establishments and “goo steady” (fen talk) safe riding and keep the vids coming.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Excellent, enjoy the trip. Be sure to include the Glendalough Green Cafe in the Wicklow Mountains for a coffee and cake stop (or a salad lunch), always a few bikes parked up there. Goo Steady!

[@king4aday4aday]

I agree with the damping, Dynamic is way too jerky for bad roads, Road is way too soft and flowy. When I'm riding with a passenger, I usually set it to Road just to not upset them, and ride much slower than I normally would. As for the quickshifter, the way I'm using it is 1-2-3 I clutch, above 3 I use the QS. I also almost always use the QS going down even to 1st, it does a good job with that. What I found is when I took it to a track, the quickshifter is a blessing, and works wonderfully in every gear. I think since it works on the principle of cutting the ignition, in higher revs there is a finer amount of control, as there are more ignition cycles in any given period of time. No wonder it's a "race inspired" technology, and fittingly, it works best in that context.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Thanks for the insight and your experience with the quick-shifter, makes complete sense. 👍. I'm glad your experience the ride as I do, lots of people don't believe it!

[@timoconnor9434]

Just purchased a GSA 1250 Trophy edition to replace my 1200LC GSA. I note your comments on the suspension, but I don’t agree. It is definitely harder than the 1200Lc, and I rode both almost exclusively in Dynamic unless it was raining. The handling in the 1250 is slightly better albeit with a firmer ride and I have noticed bumps and road imperfections are more noticeable, but I think that’s the cost to slightly better handling.

[@petermcgarva7207]

I’ve just bought the same bike , I agree the suspension isn’t the best around, it’s better than what your saying. If you put any suspension to a ‘sport’ setting on shit roads they’ll all jolt your fillings out. No bike is perfect, but for the price of these a few more settings on damping would or should be on the bike. This is my 12th GS, so I’ve had enough to experience the ESA over the last 15 years. From 2008 until now. I’ve had five Multistrada’s and their standard nor Skyhook suspension isn’t as good as they say either.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Thanks for noting your long term experiences Peter, appreciated. The trouble with knocking it out of sport on those roads is that you end up bouncing along it the whole way round. I am a heavy person and my weight has to play a role but if this system was truly intelligent it should know that.

[@Kornholeeoo]

I have the seat in the lowest position. I used to be 6’ tall. I’ve shrunk over the years but my inseam is still 32”. My only complaint is it’s just a tad too tall. Thought about the low version but I’ve heard too many stories that it rides rough and you lose some clearance. I’m on the balls of my feet but just wish it was 2-3” lower. I dropped my brand new bike the night I bought it,🤣🤣. 2023 GSA triple black. Crash bars work! No damage. Just a scratch or two on the crash bars. Can barely see them. Will touch them up soon.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Ouch! My Tiger 1200 with its top heaviness went over 3 times too, lost footing on gravel a couple of times and the other time I thought I had the sidestand down :-( Try the low seat from BMW or maybe the Wunderlich low version. I have gone back to using it all the time now and find it comfortable now I am used to it.

[@Kornholeeoo]

@@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff I bought the BMW low seat and it helps but there’s not too much you can do if all you can do is flat foot it. Raise your leg outwards just a bit and you’ve lost footing. My Harley, I can flat foot it with my legs/knees bent a good bit so I can step outwards and still be flat footing it. Easier to keep the bike upright. With the GSA, it’s just gonna be a learning curve to deal with it. I dropped it again the other day coming into the driveway and it’s at a steep angle and a sudden stop or I hit the garage door. I lost momentum and the bike fell.

[@Gary-UBIQUE144]

I have a 2019 R1250GS Adventure covering all types of terrain & I’m really impressed with suspension, no issues whatsoever. Also the quick shifter is smooth. Perhaps yours needs calibrating?

[@dptubexx]

I’m guessing the root of the “suspension hatred” is the lowered chassis version you’re riding. Or personal bias.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

This seems to be the overwhelming consensus by those that have owned the low and the regular chassis.

[@billy4rocks]

Yeah that quick shifter has caught me out a few times, there does seem to be a sweet spot in revs where it shifts cleanly (on my 2016 at least) but that said, i use the clutch 98% of the time...old dog new tricks and all that.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

I think that will be the same for me Billy, good job the clutch is excellent.

[@abudhabidel1]

Billy - agreed. I only the 'quick shifter' when I need to make a point- eg from 2nd to 3rd beside some asshole car driver - my Arrow race can speaks for me!

[@maxflight777]

You are mistaken about the mirrors.. they are superb ! You don’t need larger ones, these work well.

[@gsrider569]

I would disagree with a few of your findings. First off, you want a front brake that grabs with the slightest input? That would be a dangerous situation for especially inexperienced riders. A caliper that works with a more progressive pull to stop gives you actually better control, especially in trail braking. As far as suspension is concerned, remember, you have a modified suspension motorcycle that the little people can ride. You have less suspension travel and also less ground clearance. This is an ADV bike, not a Goldwing. Don't expect it to ride like one.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

I respectfully disagree on the brake performance, this isn’t a bike for the novice and most owners will have a good few years under their belt. The action on a better braked bike with a light two fingered touch is very relaxed because the action requires no effort. I agree it is no Goldwing and is not expected to be so, that bike whilst I admire it, is not my cup of tea either. Whilst I do have the shortened suspension version, by 30mm, this bike has significantly more suspension travel than most road bikes and much more than two of my other 1000cc plus road bikes to which I compared the ride. They were both much more well behaved with this test road. I plan to make a video focusing on the suspension some more to try and explain my rationale. Thanks for your comment 👍.

[@gsrider569]

@@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff It was a good review in all honesty. I ride a 2020 GSA HP and love this bike. Definitely not perfect but pretty damn close IMO. Especially after riding my Harley lol. I think BMW should have done a little more refining of the GS such as backlit switches, a more precise suspension setting that would truly match the riders preference before increasing the engine displacement which I feel is just to keep up with the Jones's. Keep up the good work Terence

[@racingtag1237]

I am not sure what’s going on with your bike. I believe it’s you! I love the suspension on my 23 GS and I love the quick shifter. I ride the bike off road as well and have only complements about the suspension. 37:41

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Everything is pointing to the fact I have the low chassis version.

[@SergeyVikultsev]

You are comparing GS to Tiger, are there any other bikes/manufacturers it can be compared to?

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

I only did that as I traded in my Tiger 1200 which was also a 1200cc shaft drive. Top contenders are the Ducati MultiStrada, KTM 1290, Harley Pan America (ridden it, brilliant), Africa Tin, V-Strom 1050.

[@bwlyon]

I know exactly what you are talking about concerning the dampening, and have recently demoed a GS low suspension and a standard height GSA. The standard height GSA dampening seemed quit good in either setting, but the low suspension GS dampening was either sponge soft or brick stiff. I currently own a 2016 Explorer 1200 XRT, the dampening settings are vast and you can easily adjust on the fly. I agree the engine layout and chassis has carried the GS for years, I was shocked how damn good the low speed handling of the GS is, but the dampening of the low suspension version needs a rework. Not sure but since it is electronic makes me wonder if an update to the electronics could solve the issue. I ride my Explorer with suspension in rider mode with suspension in off road mode to get the height down and everything else in road mode and get by. My concern with the Explorer is it’s top heavy and tip in in the corners is to fast for my liking. I’m thinking about lowering the bike to see if that helps.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

I went with the lust racing 20mm lowering kit on my 2018, you then raise the forks by 15mm should be the same for your 2016. They do a 40mm kit too. The trouble with the off road mode and lowering the rear only is that you are altering the geometry. Try dropping the forks 10-12mm (or 70-75%) of what you think the rear is dropping by in the off-road setting. That should mitigate that quick tip in. Best of luck.

[@geoloseth]

There was also a software update recall for the quick shifter that I’ve heard helps it out tremendously.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

I'm up to date on that. It has loosened up and got better but struggles on the downshift still between 5 to 4 and 4 to 3 particularly. It takes a heavy boot and often point blank refuses to shift requiring the clutch. Rode an S1000XR not to long ago, the QS was sublime.

[@thomasdoe6768]

This video is a good example, why one should form an own opinion. The screen adjustment is overly complex? You cannot adjust at the screen at 120 kph? This is a plain lie. Its totally possible and not a problem. Did you ever ride a KTM or Africa Twin for example? There you have complex mechanisms with screws and what not. I don´t have any issues with the screen. No noise, no wind tubulence.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

This video was my experience, I purchased the bike, it is not a demo. My screen would not adjust at 120kph, that is a fact, why would I lie? If I slow down it adjusts. It is also considerably noisier than my last bike but this is quite common on a lot of bikes until you find one that suits your frame. Yes, I owned an Africa Twin, 2016 where the screen does not adjust, I mention it in the video? Many bikes now though do have a much simpler screen adjust mechanism, it is just my point of view, you can form your own opinions.

[@georgetrillides3859]

Coudnt agree more on the suspension! Traded in my 2021 GS for a 2022 Tiger Rally pro.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Thanks for you posting your experience George.

[@johnmacdonald1878]

I couldn't afford one of these. I bought a well used 1200. I really like it. I ride on shite roads. and I ride it of road. Maybe I just don't know any better. I've never ridded the Wicklow Mts. I did ride it over the Brooks Range.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

General consensus among owners who have had both the low chassis and regular chassis versions is that the low chassis one makes some compromises on suspension and they find the two bikes quite different. It's only on certain roads and I have adjusted my riding style to suit more and use enduro mode up the Wicklow Mountains now which makes a good improvement. Cheers John.

[@billreynolds2221]

I own a 2022 r1250gs. For virtually all my riding I choose the best paved roads. I do the same in my cars. To me there’s no joy in crap roads. They’ll turn your Lexus into a rattle can and my bmw into a back breaker. Good roads and “road mode” is the way to go on a gs (for me). I actually thought the suspension was quite good and have read very little to the contrary until your video. Not sure what the options are but buying a tiger is not one for me. Be safe and take the smoother path.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Thanks for sharing Bill! Buying a Tiger not an option for me either now they don't make a low chassis model. I tend to like crappy back roads for the places they take you to that you otherwise wouldn't see. A 300cc Scrambler could probably do it better I'll admit. Well I shall give the GS a good test in Austria & Slovenia this year and those roads are going to be just fine :-)

[@billreynolds2221]

Checked my pegs. They're both perpendicular to the frame. I also have grown quite fond of my wizz wheel. Besides, who doesn't like to say "wizz wheel". Be safe.

[@jefft137]

I have been seriously considering selling a couple of my old motorcycles in order to buy a 1250 GS. I have a 2005 Ducati Multistrada S with a full Ohlins suspension that rides amazingly well. My 2017 CB1100 EX also is very controlled, as you noted in your review of your bike. My thinking has been similar to your thoughts when you evaluated various motorcycles in a video and decided that the GS was the bike that best fit your needs. I am grateful for this video. I would not touch a 1250 GS now with a 10 foot pole.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Well I know you have the perfect taste in bikes having a CB1100EX and an Ohlins shod Multistrada. They actually tout the CB's front forks technology as a system to smooth over the damping transition from low speed to high speed to improve rider comfort. So it was more than just marketing! I think now for yourself you might as well wait and consider the 1300 in the hope they give you more control over the damping, I can't believe they would keep this system?

[@ttrguy9952]

Terry Great review Sir. Onto the seat height thing, my business partner accidentally had break fluid on his hand when he touched the seat on my new Tiger GT Explorer. Shame on him! He had to buy me a new seat and I picked the Low seat for him to order unbeknownst to him. 😂 The seat is 20mm lower and is fantastic. Just an FYI. I'm totally happy with my 2023 Triumph GT Explorer. 😍 Ride SAFE and BE safe Terry! Cheers.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Result! That’s great the seat works out for you. I was expecting the GS low seat to be uncomfortable too and I was pleasantly surprised. Cheers TTRGuy 👋

[@lpete531]

Quick shifters are not meant for low speeds, but some bikes have better shifters I will admit. I never use it for 1 to 2nd gear, get your speed and revs up it will work much better than you displayed in this video. Enjoyed your commentary.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

It does work better at higher revs but I have been spoiled by the Tiger working exceptionally well at all speeds. On a busy medium speed country road with multi gear use it was a delight. I’ll reserve it for the higher gears as you say although currently it often fails to shift at all from 4th to 3rd and forces me to use the clutch. That is pretty random though so you don’t know when it is going to happen. I expect this will sort itself out with a few more miles on the gearbox. Currently with the clutch it is a super light gearbox.

[@JesusAlleineRettet]

On my Ducati so smooth even on 1-2

[@JJBB1971]

I totally agree, never use it for 1st to 2nd gear. With more revs it works great and smooth. I like also the sound it makes while downshifting

[@pault4513]

I think your comments about suspension is backwards and maybe thats why its not working for you because the spring preload is on the left side switch and the damping adj is on the right side mode switch but hey what do i know i only had my bike a couple weeks now

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

I know exactly where you mean, no confusion here. I am not getting confused between the damping bias ROAD or DYNAMIC and then PRELOAD options. Cheers though Paul.

[@andrewfletcher9559]

Love my Tiger 1200 Alpine SE Terry, delicious suspension and I can push the front end into oblivion with no worries, W.P at it's best, great honest video mate, well done!

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Cheers Andrew, WP is brilliant stuff and KTM owned of course. 👍

[@eugeniustheodidactus8890]

I literally just finished a demo and told the salesman that the seat ergonomics were a deal breaker for me. _( Being pushed into the tank.)_ He never mentioned that the seat could be adjusted.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Ah jeez. Yes, it makes a big difference. It is also why the rear seat can be fitted in two positions to clean up the gap between the front and rear. Lots of people miss that, even long term owners.

[@eugeniustheodidactus8890]

@@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff The store manager told me that if he could have only ONE bike, it would be the GS.

[@correykeen2956]

I think you need to take your bike in to get the suspension checked out. I've ridden some very bad roads on my '21 GSA and it had no problems in road mode. The problem you're talking about doesn't sound right at all.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Lots of owners who have owned both are pointing to the low chassis version, dealer says it is fine.

[@joeybobbie1]

Great Review. I Ride a 2006 R1200GS and absolutely Love it. You have to set the Damping and Rebound Manually but it works Perfect and is easy to do. I don’t have any Modes and that’s fine with me. I just jump on the Bike and Ride. The Owners Manual has suggestions for the Suspension Settings depending on what kind of Riding you’re doing and the Load you’re Carrying, and they seem to be right on Point. The Engine is a Dream, and I do all my Maintenance myself. I have No Complaints whatsoever. Thanks for the Video, I subscribed. Big Howdy from Texas.👍👍

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Cheers joeybobbie1. Yes, my 1200 Daytona is completely manual too and I can adjust it manually very easily if I need to and with great effect like yourself. There is something to be said for less electronics.

[@maxflight777]

Agree with the comments on the power port…. Unless it can deliver 10A … its pitiful

[@austinmatthews347]

If you have alarm set to auto simply pushing the keyless button disables alarm as ignition comes on

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Yes, I also found out you can auto arm it and it will switch on and off as you approach without even using the buttons. It is a very good system on the GS.

[@JakeStrada]

Great honest review and quite refreshing compared to most of the vlogers, These bikes now are alot of money-no longer is it the cheaper mode of transport. I just sold my ducati multistrada 1260s and have been considering a 22 model, definetly food for thought, especially at £18k +

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Thanks Jake. Just on the suspension, If you can go the standard chassis version these are much better according to those that have owned both. This looks like it might just be a feature of the low chassis version. It is a lot to pay for a bike though yes, I would say you were spoilt with the 1260, nice.

[@Totally_Unsupervised]

Good review overall. However, I do disagree with you on a couple of points. Most of all, your critique of the suspension settings. Last summer, I drove my bike on a 14,000 mile trip from Michigan in the Midwest US to Alaska, making it all the way to Prudhoe Bay. I encountered all types of roads on the trip, and I felt the bike handled them superbly. For most of the trip, I stayed in Dynamic mode. Like you mentioned, road mode felt too soft and squishy for most of the driving I was doing. Eco, and rain modes use the same damping as road mode, but can be switched to dynamic. When I encountered really bad roads, or on the many miles of dirt, road and construction zones I traveled through, I found it best to switch to Enduro mode, which has a softer suspension, and more travel as well as better stability on undulating and frost heaved surfaces; especially on pothole filled dirt and gravel roads. Often, road conditions would change suddenly and frequently. It was nice to have preset suspension modes to quickly switch between. It would not have been practical to try to dial-in nine different levels of damping for each suspension mode. Also, when I ordered my bike, I expected to replace the windshield with an aftermarket product that would provide more wind protection. However, once I had an opportunity to ride with it, I came to prefer it to the windshield on my other bike that did provide more wind protection. I found that for my body size, the windshield deflected the airstream over my helmet in a way that eliminated buffeting and provided an acceptable level of noise. Certainly not perfect by any means. But I appreciate the wind flow on my shoulders and chest on hot days when I had to rely on vents in my coat to provide cooling.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Thanks for your detailed comment about how you used the rider modes and suspension choice for various challenges Allan, that sounded like a great trip, very jealous. I probably make out the nine levels of damping sound more complicated than they are. One excellent feature on the Tiger is that you can disassociate your damping from the rider modes completely, just let them alter the throttle, ABS & Traction leaving the damping unchanged when changing modes. You can then leave you damping setting on the screen menu and increase or decrease within those nine levels just with the joystick then and there without delving into multiple levels on the TFT. I'll need some more experimenting on the screen for now, currently looking at an MRA with and extended spoiler for the winter. Cheers and Good Luck!

[@paulreed3716]

Just want to ride..not interested in tech unless it flies. Currently 1980 R100 RT..superb Great vid..many thanks

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Good choice! Just did an 800km 2-day round trip on my carbed Daytona 1200. Suspension brilliant, didn't miss a beat.

[@robertk4552]

I have the 2022 GSA Standard Suspension and enjoy both the quick shifter and the suspension. This is my first road bike so can't compare it to others. I would be driving a Cadillac rather than a motorcycle and jeep wrangler if I didn't want to feel the road. I do need to ride some alternatives to feel what you mean. I have had jolts with the quick shifter but far more smooth transitions even between the lower gears but again I have not had the opportunity to experience a better quick shifter experience. Definitely a couple things I will keep in mind for my next bike but I still enjoy what I have. Thanks.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Thanks for your experiences Robert. Yes, I think the standard suspension is superior by all accounts from owners who have had both. I think the new 1300 with its ride height lowering may be the key to an improved ride for shorter legged riders such as myself.

[@dimitridemul69]

thanks for your analysis. i share the same conclusions but just love the boxer motor❤

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Yes, the motor and the bikes weight distribution are incredible, cheers Dimitri.

[@hartley383]

Im coming up on 2 years and 12000 miles on my 21 1250GS, my first GS. I cannot really argue with anything youve said. I came to the BMW from 2 Crosstourers a bike over looked by many and knocked frequently. I thought going to the "best bike in the world" itd be light years ahead of the Honda but it really isnt. There are areas where im so dissapointed with the BMW. As you say it does have many many good points but i feel the things that let it down are things that could so easily be resolved, FFS theyve been building them for 40yrs. On our first tour on the GS my wife was climbing off the bike, slipped and fell to the ground, this has never happened before. Fortunatly she was ok, What had happened was the rubber on the pillion peg had rotated around the aluminium part, have a look at the peg, its only retained by a rubber spigot. I find this sort of thing so dissapointing. Ive now got after market pegs fitted. my 4k Himalayan has a better setup. This bike is the second most expensive thing ive ever bought, after my house. Ive also got paint bubbling on my engine, BMW are going to fix it but it really shouldnt happen. Dont get me wrong, i do really like the bike, i rode it back to back with a friends new 1200 GTPro Explorer just 2 days ago and ill be honest, i prefer my GS, not sure about the mechanical feeling through the new 1200, feels a bit unrefined, BMW is smoother, but at the moment doubt ill buy another GS.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Yes, for a twin pot the GS engine is very smooth compared to the mechanical rattle Triumph. However, I have a 1995 Daytona whose engine from new sounded like a bag of bolts in a washing machine so the new Tiger is bearable to me! Sounds like we have the same experience as you say, I was expecting a bit more, again, that 40 years experience came to my mind too. Your wife's experience must of had your heart in your mouth at the time, glad she was OK in the end. I also own a Honda and that is very high quality but it does have some engine paint problems too, unfortunately a 2018 so out of warranty.

[@graemelake8419]

Glad I went for the Ducati V2S as a replacement for my old GS, can’t fault it!

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

The skyhook gets lots of positive compliments.

[@knudsenj100]

Maybe I've never experienced a good one but I don't see the purpose of using a quick shifter while toddling around.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

They are just great for slow speed town work where you are constantly changing gear. I ended up with cramp in my left hand on my Africa Twin when travelling on the small roads around the Wild Atlantic Way, a quick-shifter would of made the experience so much nicer.

[@chadr9791]

WELL .... I must say that was a total eye opener.....two things ,,,,, I live in Ireland and used to live in the Wicklow mountains and the second is ,,I have being researching the GS or R 1250 GSA and I am so disappointed to find out this about the BMW ... I am coming from a 1700 RoadStar and live and ride on shit roads in West Cork ...plus my age is not on my side at 65.... I was hoping I had found my next 10 years of riding in the BMW adventure,,..... The suspension is so IMPORTANT for me at my age and with bad roads ,,,I just don't know what to look at next .That fact alone about the suspension has totally put me off buying a Bmw adventure bike. So in conclusion Terence O want to thank you for a very honest and frank review.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Thankyou, your comment got buried and I apologise for the lack of response. I hope you are sorted with new wheels now. I am only a couple of years behind you and suspension is my no1 consideration for any new bike. Yes, your roads in West Cork I only know from sections of the WAW and these are taxing in many areas to say the least!

[@rjeepster8640]

I have friends that ride the BMW for the police department and I cruise with two friends that have the 1200 GS so I’ve ridden them, and I like my V Strom 650 much better for suspension and comfort. He just doesn’t have the frills or the horsepower.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

I just spent a week on an Aprilia Tuareg 660 (with 240mm of suspension travel), utterly brilliant ride and totally customisable. I would trade down if I didn't have more two up work to do! V-Sroms are brilliant, especially the 650.

[@rafacycle]

I heard they don’t put heating seats anymore in 2023 ? Do you know something about it ? Do they leave electronics at least ?

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Mine came without heated seats even though they still advertised with them on the website. I did get the LED light package though which is brilliant at night. But they do not fitted the electronics for the heated seats so you cannot just buy them after.

[@SAMFICOM]

Agree on damping. 1200 2016 my had 3 modes for road soft medium hard and two for offroad.

[@revilok8698]

You should have tried the Ducati MTS V4S before you bought the BMW. The suspension adjustments are almost endless. You can stick with the factory settings for all the ride modes or you can go in and adjust them for each ride mode to your liking. There are some things the GS is better at than the Duc but the Ducati is truly a special machine.

[@ItsAllJustBollox]

Yep the V4S just soaks up the bumps.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

I did look at the V4S and they do have a lowering suspension option too which would of suited me down to the ground. I shied away on the fuel consumption, in hindsight maybe not a wise move :-0 I like the idea of full control over the suspension, similar to the way it is done on the Tiger. Every single rider mode can have one of nine damping settings.

[@ItsAllJustBollox]

@@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff my V4S averaged 50mpg touring around scotland they are not that bad riding at normal touring speeds.

[@JohnLaCroixRenaissanceMan]

I hadn't had a quick shifter before, but I find the one on my 2022 GSA works really well, especially off road when I'm standing and going between 1st and second on more moderate tracks at lower speeds. At higher speeds on the road, I think of actuating more like putting in 'a request to shift'...if feel like you don't get the shift until the bike speed/rpm are within some range, i.e. it won't shift until you are in a situation where you would normally shift with the clutch. That said, winding through the gears on a straightway (like a highway on ramp) works great as does coming to a long straight stop. Like others have said, you could have talked more about the suspension, but overall a good solid review, thanks!

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Thanks John. I was of to of had another video just on the suspension alone and unfortunately my hard disk crashed while I was editing it which trashed a lot of the files and editing. I hope to have it redone soon. Thanks for sharing your QS experience.

[@maxflight777]

The wizz wheel old fashioned ??? WTF ! I love it. I can negotiate the menus very fast with it .

[@maxflight777]

The quickshifter works well on an open throttle.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

I still think it is old fashioned. Yamaha just dropped theirs, they are not universally liked. I just think it is a lot of real estate on the handlebar for the limited function it has, i.e. up/down and left and right.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

It has got better in 3,4,5 on the way up alright.

[@user-hb6ms3mb4t]

Super points you raise. Have to agree as GSA owner. Thanks very much sir. G.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Thanks G. As you might have guessed I am getting a panning here :-)

[@user-hb6ms3mb4t]

@@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff Undeservedly! BTW I would be interested to hear what you make of the RT if you’ve ridden it? I tested it t’other day and was really impressed.

[@Kim_Thomas]

I took a GSA for a test ride, and I found the front brake was too strong. The lightest touch and I'd lose any composure. I used rear break almost entirely

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

That sounds like more of a problem or possibly a contamination of the pad Kim? I would be tempted to give the calipers a wash and fit new pads and a change of fluids.

[@rtimetoride7645]

And if you never had quick shifter before like I never have it's acceptable but not great but very nice to have

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Yes, it works OK in many scenarios but then other point blank refuses to shift at all. As you say, the trouble is when you had a bike before with an amazing QS. I just got off the '23 S1000XR and the QS is superbly smooth and super light. They have apparently improved it again on the '24 model but I would struggle to find a fault with it on the '23.

[@rokraider]

I wonder if having the lower chassis model affects the suspension , having less travel? Have you tested a regular height setup ?

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

I have not, buts lots of owners of both versions have commented that they noticed a difference between the two so I think there is something there.

[@armandomorales5857]

I've been meaning to upgrade from a triumph 900 GT to a r1250gs Guess I'll have to test drive it on my favorite nasty road before spending such an amount of $$$ Now I understand comments from GS owners "I hate this road" ... while on my Tiger I'm ok , yes the surface is rubish but the Tiger handles it

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

A lot of owners seem to think it is the fault particularly with the low chassis version but that still has a decent suspension travel so it is rather disappointing. Good luck checking out new wheels. 👍

[@armandomorales5857]

@@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff have you considered a suspension upgrade ?

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

@@armandomorales5857 I have looked at it and it is serious money as any supplier must interact with the ESA module. There are some limitations on having the low chassis model too so I would be wary of spending so much for a solution that may only be marginally better. Had it been the non ESA model it would of been an easier prospect to consider.

[@armandomorales5857]

@@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff Touratech sells the full replacement of the suspension for low models , including ESA , and yes it is expensive $$$. It is a pity that such an expensive motorcycle has shocks that can not handle bad roads gracefully. Thanks again for the objective review

[@chrisvodka2412]

i very strongly suspect the lower chassis version doing this weird stuff on bad roads. At least i have read a lot about this in German GS forums.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

This is becoming the common answer from those who have owned both versions Chris, thanks for pointing it out about the forum.

[@davecollier8054]

Best bike review Ive seen in years.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Thanks Dave!

[@bradcarter5123]

my sales guy told me the pegs are titanium. doesnt sound cheap to me and work brilliantly but thats me.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

I know they work but they don't look like bling. BMW make no mention of this Enduro footpeg being made of Titanium, I somehow doubt that is the case but am willing to stand corrected. It is a big plus, you would think they would market that more. Part Number 77252468451 refers.

[@davidmcmillan8408]

Terry - Sorry to hear that you're not 100% happy with the Beemer. Maybe you'd have been better off with a Gen 4 Tiger with super sized Grip Puppies and a pair of ex Gary Glitter platform boots?

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

I was gutted when I heard about Garry Glitter cos he was my idle as a kid, loved his records. Silly tunt for throwing it all away and in that manner 😕. I do like grip puppies though 👍.

[@jcc6664]

A very full and personal view of the 1250GS. I listen to your criticism of the bike but have to ask why then why does it continue to be one of the top selling bikes? The new 1300 is going to be an amazing improvement but the 1250 remains so many rider’s choice. Just think you have been overly critical. But as they say. “Opinions are like noses, everyone has one”

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Yes, I guess opinions are based on where you have come from too. Had I got on this bike from a Suzuki SV650 I would be marvelling. But I came from a Tiger 1200 with WP suspension and nine levels of user damping in every rider mode. Moving to a bike with limited user suspension control and poor high speed damping (which by its very nature only effects a rider on certain types of roads) took me aback. It is good to see the new 1300 has a lot more input from the user when it comes to damping. I still have the bike, it still has many positive attributes that I like. Cheers jcc6664

[@simongreenaway4801]

I’ve done over 150k miles on numerous gs’s , never had problem with suspension . Maybe I’m not sensitive enough

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Expect not.

[@roncampbell8468]

Hi Terrance, can I ask where you got the TomTom mount that appears to fit the existing GS navigation mount? I have a Tom Tom and would love to fit it up the same so it feeds off thr bikes power using the existing Garmon bracket. Cheers Ron

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Hi Ron. This is from an Italian company 3D AM and I bought it direct but I see it for sale in many online suppilers. www.adventurebikeshop.co.uk/satnav-phones/3d-am-e-nav-400500-tomtom-mount-bmw-r12001250gs-gsa-rs-750850gsaf900xrs1000xr/

[@iancharlton5530]

I’ve got the standard height gsa and I’ve not come across mine as having poor suspension I can ride it faster on poor roads in comfort than I can my 2009 speed triple. Is it because it’s a low chassis or have you got a problem with the suspension itself. Maybe worth mentioning it to your dealer. I do like the trophy colours

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

It could be because it has the shortened suspension and they have kept the setup from the longer suspended bike? Regardless the other two bikes have shorter suspension travel than the GS and they cope just fine. Recently had its first service and all was deemed fine.

[@Snowhite808]

Funny- or perhaps honest. Very subjective on points - but that is, what motorcycle riding is. The QS, is a matter of bad programming on the manufacturer side. The suspension though - is a matter of choosing the right tool for the job. If You lower any suspension, You will loose travel of controllable damping. The gs can be a smoooth ride - but it can also be a brick in the a.. Having choosen the lower suspension version, basically was a mistake for Your application. But - as for roadfeel - look, none of performance bikes have telelever - so it will always be somewhat detached. I dislike the engine feel and sound - but love the effectiveness of it. It just works superb.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

This is becoming apparent that the low chassis model is the culprit. But, my 1995 1200cc bike with manually adjustable suspension, with less travel, can do a much better job of traversing these roads if reasonable suspension control & comfort is the target. The GS would ride right past it of course and disappear up the road as dynamically it is just brilliant.

[@MrCapetonians]

Nice review; many thanks. I ride since 1982, then a Honda 750F. No talks about pre loads, suspensions, electronics etc, only decisions were 4in1 or stay with the beautiful 2 Aluminium exhausts. For the past years I am renting mostly and all over the world. Suspension I never had to fault on the GS nor the GSA. I am 190cm and 100kg. Even with three panniers no issue. Did Hechlingen off road class twice, no issue. Did dirt roads in the Cape, South West parts of Australia and various states in the USA. Alps, no issue, even fully loaded, but always alone. Never use the quick shift, I guess after so many years riding to use the clutch is second nature. Models were 2016/18/22. Have to try the Tiger and Ducati but feel so comfy on the GS. Safe riding to all.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Cheers for posting your experience Albert. Many others share your thoughts on the suspension. I have this nagging feeling the low chassis version does not work so well as the standard bikes.

[@mulderrigpainting]

Great review, agree with most of what you got to say..... sloppy gearbox, always have been, over complicated suspension and a shit load of electronics. Overall not a bad bike I am riding a 22 Gs 1250 here in San Francisco but it is a joy to see the Dublin mountains where I grew up riding. P.S. I don't miss the rain

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Cheers Gerard. I bet you don't! :-) But, I was out riding a 2004 Honda Pan European in the Angeles Hills in your mad heat wave last year, 109 Deg I think it was? I would of gladly taken the rain that day. That Honda V4 was like sitting on a charcoal BBQ at the time. Take in handy...

[@simonfrancis5458]

Thanks, youve just saved me 20+ K

[@tcat0211]

Agree the fit and finish has continually diminished over the years as well as materials used. My 2003 1150GSA is nearly perfect in that regard whereas my 2020GSA has areas and materials that does not befit a motorcycle with such a price tag.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Thanks for that, a modern trend in many things I think.

[@tcat0211]

​@@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestufftruly unfortunate... first time my girlfriend climbed on rear seat, the rubber pad on the passenger peg slid off and left a 6" gash on her shin. She was none too happy to put it mildly. Unforgivable that type of cost cutting.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

@@tcat0211 ouch! 😫

[@jordylad69]

Nice review, thank you. I have a 2015 1200GS I've had since new with over 40,000 miles, quickshifter works great and I love it and use it all the time, any gear, up and down. Just saying!

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Many thanks. If it works for you all well and good, that is all that matters. But try a four cylinder BMW and see the HUGE difference.

[@michaeljames7472]

One of the best reviews I’ve seen, thankyou for your hard work 🙏

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Many thanks Michael 👍

[@johnpace7174]

Great overview, thanks for sharing.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Thanks John

[@EdwardBoner]

I thought some of the comments were overly picky/critical. The comments on the brakes....vario....pegs...seat...wheel control. The comments are more about why he prefers a Tiger over the GS...not really looking at the GS separately. Same as comments about Cardo use. I use Sena and happen to be more familiar with Sena. I wouldn't criticize Cardo...just am less familiar, so find it cumbersome. By the way, the screen....I've used two GS bikes with the screen adjustment by BMW....absolutely excellent. Ride quality, I agree with entirely. The quick shifter....most BMW owners use it to downshift....or at highway speeds on 456 gears. Most people don't use a quick shifter at lower gears anyway, in my opinion.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

I only mention the Tiger as it was the shaft driven 1200cc bike I had just come from, it was an easy comparison to make and quite natural. I think the brakes are pretty rubbish compared to what I have just come from, yes they work but they are in no way exceptional for a premium brand bike. The Vario, I like them, they were a positive as was the seat a big positive for me. No criticism on the Cardo, I like it. Really just questioning the benefit of connecting to headset (of any manufacturer) to the bike, I'm not to sure it did enough to warrant that connection in the first place. I came around on the positive points on the screen. I hope as it loosens up it will adjust on the motorway but compared to other bikes it is still quite clunky no? Not as bad as a Honda NT1100 I will agree :-0 Many thanks for taking the time to comment.

[@dillcarver7731]

I had a Tiger 1200 Desert Edition (2021) for a couple of years and the brakes, quick-shifter and suspension were absolutely brilliant. They set a standard that I've missed in the bikes I've ridden since. I'd thought my GS was great until I rode the the Tiger (in respect of brakes and suspension). I have a 2023 Africa Twin now and really miss the extra-excellence of those features on my old Triumph.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Loved the look of the Desert Edition, it was the best looking paintjob of all the range. Agree on all you mention, Triumph always coming from behind made them try hard and deliver in those areas I think. The Nissins on my Honda CB1100EX are "adequate" at best! Cheers Dill.

[@dillcarver7731]

@@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff I was teetering on the brink of buying a new gen Tiger 1200, but ultimately was put off by the paint jobs. I know it sounds superficial, but it really matters to me. I have to admire the look of the bike I'm buying, I even considered buying a new Tiger 1200 and having it custom repainted. Triumph haven't sussed out yet that a black frame suits most schemes, whereas a white or silver/grey frame only works in certain instances. Interesting note... I wasn't thinking of selling my Desert Ed (with satin black Akrapovic Titanium can), but while it was in having a service, a guy in the dealers looking at Tiger 1200's said he wanted 'one like that' indicating my bike. Dealer checked and no previous model Desert Edition models were in stock anywhere... so the guy made me an offer then and there. The offer was great so I accepted and but for my aversion to the paint schemes, I'd have rode out on a new 1200. Instead Honda got my dosh for a new CRF1100L Africa Twin ES DCT in Matte Iridium Grey Metallic. I'm enjoying it but still miss those Tiger 1200 stoppers and suspension. As well as the exciting the top heavy 'whippy-ness' and flick of the bike (when moving of course not pushing it in and out of the garage). The Honda is more planted and subtle. The Tiger had a hint of hooligan in her. I also miss the hassle-free shaft drive as I'm back to buying chan oil.

[@androidemulator6952]

Terrence, just discovered your channel, but totally agree with your assessmentof the suspension- one can go faster on a much "lesser" HP bike, but with well sprung and set-up "yee-olde-world" oil dampers. Not surprise about BMW lack-of-quality and performance. long time BMW bike owner. You've gained a new subscriber!

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Thank you very much sir!

[@C_R_O_M________]

One thing that the GS doesn't give you (for sure) is feedback from the road. The telelever/paralever suspension has its advantages on the road but feedback isn't one of them.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

That seems to be a common complaint alright.

[@Fernando90054]

Had two GS’s. The 1200 and the 1250. This engine is better. Refined. Never tested the Triumph Tiger and I can’t compare. I always felt that the wind protection on the GS could be bettered, but in general the suspension pleases a lot, even with luggage and passenger. Once that I hardly go on gravel or off-road trails I ended to move to the 1250 RT where everything that wasn’t agreeable on the GS vanished. The RT has better brakes and with luggage and pillion very suitable to ride in highway and good fast secondary roads, but that’s it. Don’t put the bike on poor condition roads, narrow roads, fully loaded …you will not enjoy the ride. The bike gets too heavy and uneasy to maneuver, I experienced that and I don’t recommend. The gearbox of that boxer engines aren’t made for quick shift. It can be used on higher revs but that’s it. And it is always a minus. If we want a good quick shifter on a BMW you got it on the S1000 RR or even on the S1000 XR. Triumph for me, means classic retro style stunning modern bikes. The Bonneville collection is something like no other. My first bike was the T120 HT, goldline edition and it still hurts when I realize that I’ve sold it…And I’m sure that it will not happen again. I road tested a 1200 cc scrambler XC model and got really pleased about it. The engine has that little more pepper than the T120, the suspension set and the breaks Excel beyond expectations the capability to flick in the turns is kid’s stuff, the sound is loud enough but also civilized and the looks are top level. Didn’t like that they missed the leaning abs from stock on that model, as it is enough comfort and suspension competent for every road condition and the XE is too off-road style for my taste. One of this days I might test the Tiger 1200cc and than maybe I can say what it seems to me compared to the GS 1250 cc. Thank you for the nice video and opinion ✌️✌️

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Thanks for the detailed info and your experiences. Not having ridden a 1200 before I had nothing to compare the 1250 too but I have no complaints on the new engine even if I was dropping some HP from my old Triumph Tiger 1200. The power delivery and weight distribution made up for everything. I like the look of the RT, it has an enviable reputation and I imagine its weather protection is a step up over the GS for sure. Cheers, enjoy your wheels!

[@bertyboy7126]

i disagree with every thing you say negative about the gs , buy a different bike , the suspension and brembo breaks are amazing , iv owned loads of bikes and in my eyes the gsa is king

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Fair enough, that’s your experience. My experience is not yours. The suspension is sub standard compared to other bikes I’ve owned , brakes very good but nothing special and the quick-shifter very poor in the first two gears. You can disagree all you want but as the youth of today say “it’s my lived experience”. I have been extremely positive about the good things about this bike too.

[@tonycallanan3078]

Brutally honest as always. Better avoid Starbucks for a bit. Beautiful looking bike and I'm sure you will improve it if it can be done. Best of luck with it, well wear.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Thank you Tony 👍

[@Gary-UBIQUE144]

I have just seen this vid & the quick shifter is absolutely fine on my albeit the 2019/20 GS Adventure. Your vid is for the 21 onwards so did they change the quick shifter?

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

I doubt it but great yours is up to scratch. 👍 Have you tried many other bike quick-shifters? Most are now buttery smooth at any revs and zero hassle. Sometimes mine just point blank refuses to shift without the clutch ( usually 4th to 3rd)but it is better now that I have a good few thousand km on it.

[@Gary-UBIQUE144]

Yes tried several bikes, in particular the S1000XR & my GS is just as good. Also I have to say my suspension on all types of roads is very good. I did own a 2013 R1200GS & that suspension was a bit vague. Having said this I do think your vid is very good.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

@@Gary-UBIQUE144 cheers 🍻

[@papadougpapadougsadventures]

I have the 2021 R1250GSA that is fully loaded including the navigator. I concur with the most of the negatives you mentioned. The windscreen is unsafe to adjust at highway speeds if you even can do. I’m 5’10 and even the adventures slightly taller screen is to short and I get buffeting. The control wheel is not optimum and I have to rethink it every time I start a new riding year. With all of its faults it is still the bike I would have if I could only have one bike(I have 7).

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

You lucky thing, I have three, I have some catching up to do! Thanks for your input Papa Doug.