2023 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon 392 Xtreme Recon on 37s (What's Gone & New) | Inside Line

It’s still here! If you are a Jeep enthusiast, you should rejoice over the fact that for 2023, you can still purchase a V8-powered Wrangler. How much longer the 392 Wrangler Rubicon will stick around continues to be uncertain. Most rumors say this will be the last year, but that’s not set in stone (as far as we know anyhow). No matter what, we say if you want a Wrangler with a V8, it’s best to act fast because these continue to be a highly sought-after vehicle.
In this video, we will go over what's new, gone, and things we changed.
00:00 Intro
00:22 2023 Hydro Blue Wrangler Rubicon 392
00:45 Interior Trim
01:02 Xtreme Recon Package
01:19 No More Unlimited
01:42 Crash Bracket on Passenger Side
02:34 Dimmer control gone
02:58 Powertrain
03:12 Making it 2WD
04:35 No 20th Anniversary
05:02 37s and no lift
06:07 37x12.50 Nitto Recon Grappler A/T
07:45 Suspension and Driving Impressions
09:29 Is it worth it?
11:02 Outro
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[@DUNEATV]

I believe this Jeep is the coolest vehicle for sale currently!

[@zacharymitchellwtx]

Love love love it. Best and funnest vehicle I've ever owned.

[@blakemarchand6650]

I’d say the same

[@americanpatriot8996]

It was 30 years ago and it is today. I think it always will be.

[@juanwick2726]

Does it still have that Fiat engine?

[@EAGLINWRX]

@@juanwick2726 it’s got a v8, you tell me?

[@americanpatriot8996]

I got my 2023 wrangler 392 about 4-5 months ago. Love it. I’ve always been a jeep guy. I was hoping they would do something special for this year also but they didn’t.

[@1IImrxII1]

They should’ve in my opinion done more on the outside appearance to separate itself from the other line of jeeps. It’s so cool and right now with the raptor bronco selling for over 100k in its current market this is a steal for the value

[@zacharymitchellwtx]

2WD is a blast! Nice hydroblue!

[@AnthonyZappone]

Great video! Mine is coming in this week, I can't wait! I do like the 37's on it looking at ordering them now. Thanks again for the info.

[@ixibladeixi2639]

Love the video. The changes make sense. Can't wait for mine at status JB now. I just hope it comes with beefy Fox 3.0 and Brembo brakes.

[@InfiniteBumblebee337]

Great presentation Ali, keep it up!

[@DrivingLine]

Thank you

[@Capricorn2500]

I believe the Jeep 392 is the best 4x4 available. It would’ve been nice to see it called the renegade again just a thought. 🤠

[@kg0311]

It's a really not great suspension, it's good for highway and that's about it. Look at his bumpstops.. stock it comes with 2inches before they hit lmao. And adding more bump, he just made it worse.

[@gabrielback5615]

I think they could offer a 5.7 model that would be priced far cheaper and still have exciting power, sound, and capability. It wouldn't have to be full time 4x4 to save the axles, it would probably get better mileage, run regular grade fuel, and still pull the larger tires. The 392 is cool for sure, but I'd be happy with the 5.7.

[@longreach207]

I didn't think about fuel restrictions...is the 392 a 93octane only?

[@gabrielback5615]

@@longreach207 Recommended.

[@longreach207]

Awesome video thanks for keeping the #JeepSpirit alive! 🇺🇲

[@Hooperugo]

Ordered my 392 in sept patiently waiting ,I did get the Recon package and the sky one touch top .

[@williamh6547]

Should have my factory order 392 Extreme Recon in a week or two 😁😁😁😁 and I've already got the 40" tires and 4" lift kit for it. I love the color of that jeep, I went with the reign color. Great video 👍👍

[@DrivingLine]

Love that Reign color! My friend has an XR 392 in that color with Bronze wheels and 37s.

[@adam_gonzz]

Congrats on the Jeep. I still want this 392. I have a 21 Rubicon. Love the color

[@larrywebster]

waiting to order a 24' 392 and throw some 37s on it. Jeep should just do it out right... :D they look so good on 37s.

[@jdetermann4674]

Another excellent video. Gonna snag some 37s for mine.

[@DrivingLine]

Thank you!

[@ixibladeixi2639]

Best set up for 392XR without using spacers. This should be the exact tires from the factory.

[@nickaltvater5592]

I want the 392 in the Gladiator

[@BlackJeepConvertible]

Drop the top!

[@jasonlovell3934]

The extra little flares on a friend’s XR hooked a rock and tore off the flare. Just something to think about.

[@DrivingLine]

Quick release flares just like the new Ford Bronco! Sounds like a positive to me! 😁

[@gvet47]

Without the extra flares you would probably be replacing the windshield.

[@DomBogey94]

God wish this thing was more affordable. 50-60K no prob, but 80 is ridiculous.

[@allautorepair406]

Enjoyed your video great feedback as i have been curious about the changes from 21 to 23. Good Job....I too have the 21 Sarge Green XR pkg. Im glad to subscribe to your channel going forward. Thanks.

[@DrivingLine]

Thank you!

[@austinaubinoe2195]

Sweet pickup up my dads in the same spec tomorrow morning! Would love to see production numbers by color when these are fully done.

[@Strizzle81]

For $80k+, you'd think Jeep engineers would have added d60 axles or atleast a Dana 50 rear like the Bronco Raptor. D44s are too small to handle that much torque long term.

[@JeepYotaAdventure]

I ordered my '23 JL392 XR in July. Finally got a VIN, but no build date as of today. Always great content. Thanks!

[@wtitrader7397]

Ordered mine in June and took delivery beginning of Oct. Heard there were part shortages for the xtreme recon. Also, don't pay attention to the Jeep link. Mine came in before it even updated with a build date. Best to just check in with your dealer. Just FYI. Enjoy your new ride. You're gonna love it..

[@davidboldon8764]

I ordered mine that is almost exactly like the one here, but I got dual top package and a few other things but it's hydro blue. As of today, I have a VIN, But no build date yet. It was confirmed in late July. I cannot freaking wait to get it.

[@zacharymitchellwtx]

Congrats!

[@davidboldon8764]

@@wtitrader7397 yeah, I had a 22' 392 and sold it because I wanted the recon. And yeah. My dealer is who told me it had a vin. The website sucks. It doesn't update! But I cannot freaking wait to get it!

[@boldrbangr9834]

Great info, thanks! Like you, I'm holding out for the Anniversary edition, but not sure how long I should wait before they're out of production.

[@McIntosh1006]

Don't wait if you want a factory V8 Wrangler. They have already stopped the XR (Extreme Recon package, 35" tires & 4.56 gears) for 2023 year models. But you can still order the regular 392 Rubicon, 33" tires with 3.73 gears. But not for long. Better decide soon or regret it for ever. Ganger is offering $6k under msrp, Koons is offering $8k under msrp if ordering.

[@Ducs4life]

Ordered ours at the beginning of Sept. Just went backwards in status this week. From D to C status. Patiently waiting. Search the forums, Koons Jeep runs promos. We are getting our build 8k under MSRP.

[@DrivingLine]

Nice!

[@kota-dx7iq]

How do you find out the status of your build?

[@Silvery12]

@@kota-dx7iqyou can track it directly from the Jeep website. I tried to attach the hyperlink for you but my phone is giving me trouble. The site is usually about a week behind but it’s better than nothing.

[@JeepYotaAdventure]

@@Silvery12I ordered mine on July 13th. The Jeep site always says "No information available at this time. Please check back later." My dealer does text me every week to tell me that there are no updates. So as of now, I just have a VIN. I'm sure it will be well worth the wait.

[@mamatobz2890]

Towing ability? Thinking a small teardrop camper. Ohhh the sound ❤

[@DrivingLine]

The rear suspension is very soft. Even just putting my small electric dirt bike on my hitch carrier you will notice it will drop down a bit. It would have plenty of power to pull the trailer, but I would want either stiffer rear springs or helper air bags if I was going to tow frequently with it.

[@chrislarsen1033]

Looks great love the blue coloring. Ps say hi to your dad for me!

[@DrivingLine]

Will do!

[@mowcowbell]

I had to go out into my garage and double check my 2023 Wrangler Sahara 4xe... yep, no 'unlimited' sticker.

[@twallison1]

I have a 22 392 XR. I was under the impression that you had to add wheel spacers for 37” tires.

[@Ali_Mansour_Editor]

If it’s a non-XR you’ll need spacers. The XR wheels have different backspacing. So, 37s work fine.

[@Jackal_Blitz]

I saw on the JL forums that some of the 2023 XR beadlocks had WAY less bolts than normal. Looks like your dad got lucky!

[@DrivingLine]

That’s wild! Thankfully, all bolts are accounted for.

[@brianf504]

Just less bolts on beadlock cover but still the same rim, just need to buy beadlock cover with more holes

[@jayabre]

@@DrivingLine I have a wrangler 4xe sahara and you like to put 37s. What recommendations do you have? I'm a first time jeep owner and also i will not be doing any off road stuff, just like the look of the 37s better.

[@DrivingLine]

You’ll need around 3.5 inches of lift to properly clear and cycle a 37 on a Sahara. I would check out JKS Manufacturing. They make a nice kit that rides great on the highway.

[@genocanabicea5779]

I wish it had a split rear end.

[@gvet47]

Just wait till they have a factory 392 in a two door. ❤

[@DrivingLine]

That would be wild!

[@robertyoung8289]

Bronco who?? 🙄

[@adamantonczenko1435]

😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@co4x4]

Nice vid and a simple fast breakdown. Would 38's fit with that same 2" rear bumpstop swap? Cheers from Denver Colorado!

[@DrivingLine]

It’s pretty tight wit the 37’s. I haven’t tested it, but my guess is a true-to-size 38 would rub.

[@scottrblum]

I have Nitto 38s on mine. I had to go to 2.5"" in rear and add 1/2" to front also to keep from rubbing.

[@jmanlevan]

I love these 392s! But I’m hesitate because of the corrosion issue around the hinges. Anyone with a 392 notice this yet? So surprised nothing has been done to fix that problem

[@Ali_Mansour_Editor]

I have a friend with a JL that had a problem with his hinges that was covered under warranty. He’s the only one I know of. My 21 392 hasn’t had a problem, nor has my either of my Gladiators.

[@jmanlevan]

@@Ali_Mansour_Editor thanks Ali!

[@AdventurousRedJeep]

I was thinking about putting a 37 inch tire on my Xtreme recon. Have you tried to do any off-road in with full articulation to see if the 37 is still completely clear. Was there any noticeable fuel efficiency loss with the 37s over the stock 35

[@DrivingLine]

It works just fine. I tested it thoroughly on mine. You can see that video here. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hWmXq6GYmJWAkKs

[@DSDS-cs9pt]

Thanks for the great, informative video. I have a 2024 392 and was wondering if I add a 37-inch tire do I need to add any extra hardware to the rear spare tire mount for it to accommodate the larger 37-inch spare? Thank you!

[@DrivingLine]

It will bolt right up. The only thing you’ll need to do is raise the third brake light up one hole to clear the tire.

[@wtitrader7397]

Been contemplating 37's on my 2023 392 xtreme recon. Will these tires do well in Northeast/mid-Atlantic weather? No off road here, mainly street/Hwy driving. Thank you for the video as always.

[@DrivingLine]

I believe so. I have a friend in the Northeast with the same tire under his JL and he’s been happy with them. We get a lot of rain here, but not much in the way of snow and ice.

[@wtitrader7397]

​@@DrivingLine Thank you. Road manner and handling is pretty much the same/or better compared to our factory 35's? Thanks again.

[@DrivingLine]

I would say these are better. I feel like they roll smoother for sure. I know they didn’t take as much weight as the stock wheels to balance.

[@angiegibson3976]

When I ordered my 23, extreme recon was not an option. Its all good though, from most videos, looks as if XR drive rough?? Maybe using wrong term so I guess it's a good thing I didn't get it.

[@DrivingLine]

The only suspension differences from a non-XR and XR are the shocks. So, same coils. I've never driven a non-XR 392. So, I can't comment on how it feels versus the XR one. However, I can say that the XR does not ride rough. In fact, it's probably the smoothest riding stock Wrangler I've ever owned.

[@UrduTravel]

❤❤❤❤

[@naamangeist7843]

Does the Recon Grappler pickup small stones like the stock tires do? I had Trail Grapplers on my JK and loved the wide tread spacing for this reason but my 392 stock tires are very bad at this. My rear fender flares have several rock chips from the tires throwing stones.

[@Ali_Mansour_Editor]

The Recons have very tread blocks and spacing. They don’t pack gravel nearly as badly as the BFGs. My dad has a gravel driveway. The difference between the two tires in terms of gravel packing is night and day.

[@Silvery12]

I need to get different tires because the same thing is happening to my 392. Makes me cringe every time I hear a rock hit the fender. I’m hoping the RokBlokz mud flaps help.

[@mehdiabderrahmane2439]

Do you think that we still have a little chance that Jeep will do the Galdiator 392 ? If not many rumours mention a potential hurricane engine twin turbo up to 510 horsepower in the future new Gladiator do you think it will happen? If yes when?

[@DrivingLine]

I think the 392 Gladiator ship has sailed. My guess is we will see some impressive numbers from the new Hurricane engine, but it seems like it’s up in the air with which applications will get the high output versions.

[@TwistedOff]

👍

[@mitchelllong5848]

I wonder the 0-60 difference with the 37s comapred to the non extrme recon pkg 33in tires

[@DrivingLine]

Car and driver tested an XR392 with the stock 35's and recorded a 4.0 0-60. I think a 4.5 is doable with 37s. You can test it with the Tazer, but I'm not sure how reliable that number is.

[@ajeliasiv]

I wanted to get your thoughts on running the 37x12.5 on the 8” recon wheels. I’m looking at ko2s at that size but they say it needs an 8.5” wheel. I’m sure it would be fine but needed some reassurance. I’m doing the bumps in the back you recommend with the 37 ko2s and a teraflex 1.5” lift on my high tide.

[@DrivingLine]

It will work fine. It's a little out of spec, but you can just adjust the air pressure to ensure you have a good contact pattern. I like the Recon over the KO2 as it's a more true to size tire.

[@ajeliasiv]

@@DrivingLine I appreciate the quick reply. That’s reassuring that they work just fine. Any psi you would recommend to start with. I ran my 35s at 34- 37 most of the time. And 10 on the dunes. If I had a 392 I would have probably made some different choices. But with the v6 I didn’t want to lose to much performance. Keeping the diameter down a bit and the ko2s have a load range c that saves me about 10 lbs a tire were what swayed me in that direction. Oh and I live in Michigan and the ko2s work great in the snow. You setup looks awesome with the nittos though. I might have regrets but let’s hope not. I’ve already got the tires waiting and I just received my rear axel spacers today so it’s almost go time.

[@DrivingLine]

I would start with 35 psi and move down from there. My experience with 37's with a load range D rating is I generally need to air them around 28 psi on a 17x9 to get a good patter and best ride quality. If I'm going to drive out of town, I tend to pump them up to 35. Given you are going load range C, you might benefit from a little more air pressure.

[@MrSilentarcher]

How tall is it with 37’s at the highest spot? I need to know if it will fit in my garage door. Love this video and great job! OlllllllO

[@DrivingLine]

36 1/2 inches tall. This still fits under a 7ft garage door without issue.

[@MrSilentarcher]

@@DrivingLine I was wanting to know how tall the vehicle is overall to the tallest point. (Ex. The highest point of the hard top?)

[@Ali_Mansour_Editor]

@@MrSilentarcher ah, I misread. It’s a touch over 75 inches.

[@faronf2006]

Does this have factory front Dana 60 & Dana 80 rear differentials ?

[@DrivingLine]

No. That would be awesome. All of the 392s come with Dana 44's front and rear.

[@cantstopwontstop976]

Still no manual transmission on the 392?

[@Ali_Mansour_Editor]

Unfortunately, no.

[@bryanstork7068]

Do you need the extreme recon package for 37???

[@DrivingLine]

The lift height is the same between the XR and Non-XR on the 392. The big difference in terms of 37s will be the tire relocation kit/tailgate reinforcement ,4.56 gears, and XR specific wheels that have a difference backspacing and width. So, you can run 37s with a non-XR, but you won't be able to run the spare without the relocation bracket. You will also need the 2-inch bump stops out back. The non-xr wheels will work if you go with a narrower 37 to keep them in spec. However, the backspacing might be an issue and could require you to purchase wheel spacers as well.

[@qosmio2140]

Can you do daily driving on 4H part time? Or should we keep it on 4H Auto?

[@DrivingLine]

You should not do daily driving in anything other than 4Auto or put it in 2 Wheel drive using a tazer JL.

[@Jeeps1]

i have an 18 jlu. i'f the Tazer puts the 392 into 2WD will the tazer put my jeep into 4 wheel auto????

[@DrivingLine]

If your transfer case did not come with the 4Auto from the factory, it’s not a 3022. So, no you will not be able to add on that feature. The transfer cases are totally different.

[@tomdeskins3544]

Since a few months have passed, how are the 37's working with just the 2" bump spacer in the back ? Still no rubbing with the factory wheels on moderate trails ? Still happy with the upgrade ? Thanks

[@DrivingLine]

It's still working great. The main downfall of the 392's stock suspension is the limited suspension travel and the fact that it's undervalved for the weight of the engine. If you are just looking to run 37's, this is by far the easiest way to accomplish that goal. Here's a video of me testing this same setup on trail with my Sarge Green 392: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hWmXq6GYmJWAkKs

[@tomdeskins3544]

@@DrivingLine Excellent Video. We are subscribed ! What is your favorite shock to use on the 392 if you keep the factory OEM springs ?

[@DrivingLine]

@@tomdeskins3544 I would see if you can get a Fox 2.5 with DSC adjuster to work. I believe they offer a 0 to 1.5 lift shock, which would likely be what you would need to work with the stock springs.

[@tomdeskins3544]

@@DrivingLine Thank you for sharing your tech. I've watched all of your informative Jeep vids. Excellent data. The Fox 2.5 for 1.5" lift is the winner. OEM Recon front is 24.75"R 16.75"C,, Fox 2.5 is 25.50" and 15.87" so a little more droop. OEM Recon rear is 27.00"R 18.00"C ,, Fox is 26.60"R 16.43" C so just a tiny bit less droop. Should be a perfect setup for stock springs. Thanks !

[@_CharlieHarper]

I was wondering. Can you make jumps in this car? The reason why I'm asking : the RAM 1500 TRX can do it. As long as we have this 6,4 L V8 Hemi under the hood here and similar dynamics, this is definitely a vehicle to run on a fast trail right? And on a fast trail you can definitely expect some jumps here and there. I think this car can be a very good daily-driver, while also being very capable off-road, which is something I would like to have for my weekend trips.

[@DrivingLine]

I personally would never jump this vehicle in stock form. The TRX has a long-travel suspension meant for going fast in the desert. This does not. If you wanted to upgrade to a long-travel setup with coilovers and bypasses, that would be a different story.

[@_CharlieHarper]

@@DrivingLine Ah, thank you for the insight ! So the TRX is rather for fast trails, while the Jeep is rather to do the technical stuff, rock crawling, etc.

[@robertallen6710]

My condo doesn't cost that much...😁

[@kimpeter7934]

Can it be flat tow?

[@DrivingLine]

yes it can.

[@blakemarchand6650]

What’s your guys average oil temp you guys see regularly and also what’s the hottest any of you guys have seen? I’m coming from my JT Mojave and I noticed the 392 runs much hotter just curious

[@DrivingLine]

I saw your question earlier. I haven’t had a chance to look. The 392 is currently locked in by something else at the moment. I believe it was around 225 last I looked. I know it runs higher than the gladiator with a 3.6 L. Never so hot that I thought it was a problem, but it does run warmer for sure.

[@blakemarchand6650]

@@DrivingLine yeah I wasn’t really worried about it either my consistently runs at about 235/240 ish but I do have steel skid plates, 38 inch bead locks, and a steel front bumper with a winch so it’s heavier then stock. I also live at 5000 elevation and I’ve seen it climb to 260 oil temp but that’s going up hills it does cool right down pretty quick though.

[@DrivingLine]

I have a friend with one on 40s that told me he was a little concerned about his oil temps as well. I wheeled all summer with 38s. We have plenty of heat here, but we don’t have the elevation you do. I think these things just like to run on the warm side.

[@blakemarchand6650]

@@DrivingLine I agree because they’ll get up to some pretty questionable temps and then they seem to cool them selves off pretty fast. Thanks for getting back to me on that 👍 Love your channel

[@alyssamiguel5752]

Miles pwr gallon?

[@Ali_Mansour_Editor]

It’s averaging 14.

[@JeepCherokeeful]

The only Jeep I want is a Hemi powered Gladiator;(

[@DrivingLine]

There are a few companies doing those swaps! It would be awesome if Jeep offered it, but it doesn’t look like that’s going to happen.

[@robertallen6710]

Not a Jeep...a pickup truck that looks like one

[@JeepCherokeeful]

@@robertallen6710 yes, a Jeep body on a Ram 2500 Powerwagon, what the Gladiator was and should be;)

[@yamahaking6137]

I heard transmission on this new jeeps are junk !

[@Ali_Mansour_Editor]

My experience has been nothing but positive. The 07 to 11 automatics and manuals had some issues. The 8spd in the 392 is different from the standard Wrangler.

[@v8felon]

Jeep is really missing out on sales the bronco is kicking its butt in performance

[@DrivingLine]

You think so? Interesting. I don’t see many Broncos in my area. In terms of performance, the 392 has a significantly faster 0 to 60.

[@Craig-ml8nw]

In Texas the dealers want anywhere from $20k to $50k over MSRP for the Bronco Raptor, I would rather have the 392

[@Unc0mmonSense]

Bronco supposedly has better on road manners but in no way offers more performance. The 392 is an entirely different league performance wise on compared to the Bronco Raptor. It isn't even close. 392 is nearly 2 secs faster 0 to 60 and runs mid 12s 1/4 mile. Bronco Raptor is at 15 secs. Jeeps 4XE is faster than the Bronco Raptor.

[@wtitrader7397]

Don't think so....🤣

[@ixibladeixi2639]

80 yards ahead of Braptor in quarter mile. Facts! Stop comparing Rubicon 392 to Braptor. It's not even fair. 6.4L V8 392, Make America V8 again. Since 1941.

[@alwayson999]

Awesome video. Been wondering about the changes for 23. Looks like if anything, 22's would technically be a bit better.