2023 Norton Commando - An Honest Review!

[@simonbowen6653]

It's great to see Norton back, but it's important to get a review that highlights the realities of potential ownership. As a one bike owner I'd take my T100 every time.

[@budekins7779]

+1 on the T100👍...

[@gavinthomas5999]

I was a tad jaded to hear your verdict on the revised Commando Andy. There was me thinking you were going to get all starry eyed and wrapped up in unbridled nostalgia! I was particularly interested because I own and regularly run a vintage Commando, a 1976 Mk3 Roadster which the new Commando draws its inspiration from. Yes, vintage bikes do require fettling but once mastered they can offer miles of reliable every day fun. Plus, the feel-good factor of owning the genuine article and engaging with gentlemen of a certain age (I’m 65) is worth its weight in gold. Besides, the real thing is cheaper, easy to maintain and puts a smile on every face as you ride past. Happy days!

[@andygilbert7585]

Good to see Norton back on our roads as they are truly an iconic brand. And what a super review. Every motorcycle has it's niggles and they are always brought up in conversation and it seems Norton have a few more than the brand or price commands. It needs honest reviews to help develop bikes like this so hopefully in 2yrs time many of the things you don't like will have been ironed out. A great 20+ minute review, keep them coming.

[@stevecolwill9761]

Andy, just for fun, you should try and ride an original ‘70s bike such as a Commando, Bonneville or even a BMW classic R or Japanese offering such as a Honda CB750 or Kawasaki Z1. Then you will know what it was like for us who grew up with these bikes; no ABS or TC, certainly no fuel gauges, but a pure biking experience. You might be surprised…

[@Jim-nm1en]

In the 60's and 70's we had to use a combination of throttle, clutch and brake control to get the best out of our bikes in all conditions, no computer controlled rider modes. I used to ride my old british bikes all year round, through deep snow , heavy rain etc as I couldn't afford to buy a car at the time . Maybe we were a little bit hardier at the time and got on with things the best way we could.

[@redzed40]

maybe he should...we did at the time and learnt how to ride and work on them :)

[@3ukchriscool]

yeah how can he be a bike reviewer with so little experience and lack of knowledge of how different engines feel , bit of a plank review really

[@dave8204]

@@Jim-nm1en I still ride all year round and have done for 48 years now ;-) I did stop riding in the snow about 5 years back though as I'm more aware of my mortality these days. I've never,so far at least,owned a bike with ABS,"rider aids" etc . I've seen reviews lately complaining about bikes with no gear indicators, which I find hilarious,as much in a "are you serious" way as remembering when Suzuki were ridiculed for having those back in the 70's,how times change. The original ones were great,when it rained you could find yourself in 8th gear,or at least that's what the indicator said,

[@chrispomphrett4283]

I don't know how I've managed all these decades without a slipper clutch.... Rode a bike with one recently, conclusion, big deal.

[@matthewcoleman8267]

The first and last TMF review of the new Nortons 🤣 Full respect to you for such an honest review.

[@a.r.t.4611]

Beautiful looking bike. Finish looks very good. They then put on a carbon mudguard that is as much use, as a fart in the wind. Why most manufacturers have followed this trend is beyond me.

[@russcattell955i]

As the look is 70's Commando, halogen headlight & bulb indicators, ok. WTF is a carbon mudgaurd & gold USD forks doing there ?

[@lauriebloggs8391]

I couldn't agree more with this, spot on. A big annoyance for me on so many bikes!

[@timparker9235]

and the useless looking rear hugger

[@camberwellcarrot420]

I had the same thoughts. Not sure what to label this awkward mixing of periods, anachronistic?

[@lauriebloggs8391]

(I was referring to the useless mudguard syndrome of many manufacturers...)

[@davidconnelly2096]

Thanks for such a candid review. I think it exposes how difficult it is to revive an iconic brand to the point it is sustainable and able to compete. Shows also how good the others have become. That said nostalgia may help them.

[@robertjames6640]

For nostalgia, try an Indian made Royal Enfield. They are pretty good representatives of older British iron.

[@duncancleverley6366]

I have been super tempted by this bike despite all its faults.. I even went to try one.. but compared to my T120 it was a super uncomfortable riding position.. I love the looks and could live with some of the faults but it was so uncomfortable I walked away.. shame. Thanks for the review Andy.

[@davidchampkin5999]

They used to do a California 961 model with high bars which was really comfortable . I used to own a 961 MK 2 and I never noticed much vibration . It smoothes out at 50 mph and get a great surge of torque . Norton should have put risers on the SP to bring the bars up a bit . The other bikes are cheaper but they won't hold their money like a Norton and certainly won't get the attention when you ride to the bike cafe . The clutch is hydraulic.

[@Xanavi23]

Thanks for this video Andy. I was privileged to own a Manx Silver Commando MkII 850 Interstate for 22 years from new and it was a great bike. The Isolastic suspension provided a very comfortable ride with almost no vibration evident whilst touring. Your comments about the vibration with this new machine is certainly intriguing!

[@marcusrichardson3472]

There are so many good bikes out there in all categories, it's almost hard to find a bad one. So when you do stumble on one, it really stands out. I respect Norton for trying to get going again but I would want something new to distinguish it from its recent past

[@maxw576]

Much respect for not giving out a participation trophy. I hope you can give Norton a glowing review in the future. Many of us, and you're certainly one, want them to be successful.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I do indeed!

[@3kdn]

Respect for the honest review. And i wouldn't worry to much about riding another Norton again.

[@1234567marks]

So refreshing to hear someone tell the truth about the excessive vibration, I rode a Dominator back in the Garner days and was shocked by the rough feel of the engine, I had hoped that they had done something about it but unfortunately other than rubber mount it (isolalastics anyone?) there’s clearly little they can do about it. Also you mentioned the lack lustre power, I rode to the Donington factory on my 1991 900ss, on the way home it felt like a rocket ship in comparison to the Norton! (And a damn site smoother). I so want TVS to have a huge success with the Norton name but it’s absolutely obvious that the 961 won’t do it for them. Looks wise it’s quite nice IMO but even then it looks a little incongruous in places. Anyone considering buying one should take a very lengthy test ride, a minimum of 2 hours I would say to be sure that it’s the bike for them. P.S. you mentioned the 1200 Thruxton, I have one, it’s superior in every single way to the Norton, and as you said 3k cheaper!! PPS you’re right not wanting an old British bike, they are crap 😂, just sold a mint condition fully restored 1947 T100a Tiger, what a relief!!!! PPPS I have a collection of bikes, the 961 will not be joining it that’s for sure 😂

[@tommillar2821]

my brothers got one and for some reason i thought it would be at least ohc when i rode it i was surprised they had engineered in a feeling of an old push rod twin, little did i know,,, my 1200 thruxton would blow it into the weeds no contest, but it does look very nice, not nearly as good as a triumph.

[@PhilipBallGarry]

I know it's not a good comparison regarding performance, but the Royal Enfield J series single is exceptionally smooth thanks to excellent design by the Bruntingthorpe team and a balance shaft. So, it can be done.

[@robertjames6640]

I rode a Wasp sidecar outfit in a motocross event, standing in for a friend. It had a. Norton engine and transmission but did not seem plagued with the vibrations of the Atlas and early Commandos. Even Triumph have revamped technology and produce bikes that sell. This Norton will remain a low volume seller, I bet.

[@philbro1829]

ONE NORTON FAN SAYS THANKS FOR YOUR HONESTY ... IM GRATEFULL FOR YOUR REVIEW

[@roseysnapper]

Good, honest review; well done TMF for not following the crowd of pro journos who wax lyrical about Nortons. You may not get another Norton to review (shame on them if they don’t let you have another) but you’ll win new fans of the TMF channel for giving a real-world, every-man review. Keep up the good work.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thank you - appreciate that!

[@matt_adelaide]

Another thumbs up for calling a spade a spade and for not getting caught up in hype or nostalgia.

[@jamiebyles2724]

A perfectly honest review, which is what we are after, and at 16k, there is little excuse for cheap feelings switch gear etc. Great job 👏

[@jimmyb4982]

I love your honesty and character, Andy. The bar is pretty high these days, and there are plenty of retros to choose from, so this bike is really quite mediocre and superfluous in today's marketplace.

[@pjhammer78]

First and only honest,unbiased review that i’ve come across. It seems integrity is a rare trait these days.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Well it's all opinion, I seem to be in a minority of one!!

[@robertstone4025]

Comparing with a 1970s commando it's a good step up I'm sure , but I would not trade my 900rs for one , not even if it was half the asking price after watching that review . Thanks for an informative honest review of a bike that should have been more polished in not just its bright work . So many other great riding bikes out there at a fraction the price . Looks great though for those who will buy it as an investment and barely ride it .

[@johnlaw5762]

I love retros and this is gorgeous but anyone choosing this over a thruxton either has more money than sense or really values rarity too much. The Thruxton is better in every way, just as pretty (if not more) and much cheaper…this from a R NineT owner 😉

[@flatcapcaferacer]

I've had a Thruxton R for 7 years now and had a BMW R9T/5 for a couple years before someone stole and agree with you.

[@alanprice9938]

I’m seriously thinking about ordering a R12nineT, so I’d be interested in your experience as an owner of the RnineT. I’m 6ft 4”, but I fit easily onto my 996, so don’t mind a tight arrangement, but I don’t want to look like noddy either 😃. As far as I can see there aren’t many downsides to the beemer?

[@johnlaw5762]

@@alanprice9938 the R NineT was my dream bike since introduction and it was 6 years before I eventually got one. It is also my first road bike. To say I’m smitten with it would be an understatement but to be fair, I have nothing to compare it against. I’m only 5’10” though so can’t tell you what it’s like for taller riders either. I’m clearly not much help but go and ride the R NineT as that’ll give you a good enough idea about what the R12 NineT will be like

[@flatcapcaferacer]

​@@alanprice9938 Depends on how bendy you are at 6'4". The distance from seat to foot peg is just a bit over 19 inches. I found the bike excellent except on consecutive days of 300 mile days. I have some videos on my channel with the R9T doing various rides including the drag strip.

[@paulv22]

@@alanprice9938 You should rest ride an R1250R also. It's not as nice looking but it's a nicer bike to ride.

[@DatOldeBiker]

Thanks Mr. Flyer. It seems that Norton hasn't quite got this bike to where it needs to be. However I think it's great to see the brand producing product and hope they will improve it enough to keep going. BTW very refreshing to get an honest "warts and all" review. :>)

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thank you!

[@marcelcharriere]

High Sir Thank You very much for your video on the Norton Commando I'am 68 year old, French, and a normal person and if ready available I buy one tomorrow Why, because it is vibry noisy and mainly because it is made in England and mostly because it is costly I am fed up of all these people looking for cheaper and more cheap without considering what they will give to do to their children if all is produced in the other side of the word. Oh my God, so pleased to watch your video, and thank to the loud engine sound, I do not hear the negatives, and thank to the vibrations on the mirrors I do not hear the negatives I know this bike will please people like me, and so why should we ask Norton company to change the model we love Thank You Andy

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Delighted to help!

[@MarkATaylor]

My neighbour has one and I enjoy the racket when he fires it up. The Norton brand and styling looks great from my side of the fence. But, on closer inspection its not quite there. I think the Bonnevilles (and other retros) are just as pretty but come with the quality for a more acceptable price. Spot on review

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thank you!

[@RobertBrown-qt8dp]

In the early 60's my uncle asked me if I wanted to go for a ride on his new Dominator, it had already had the Dunstall treatment. So there was I on lovely summers day in my shorts with no helmet hanging on to my Uncle for dear life on the Kingston bypass. That's when I became a ton-up boy, with Uncle, who looking back was clearly nuts, he was in his early 40's at the time. He told me that we did 106mph. So on my return to my Nan's I proadly anounced this, her then laying into my Uncle full belt and braces. A few years later I had the pleasure of riding a friends Manx Norton, with the advice slip the clutch a lot and you'll be OK. Great vid once again Andy

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Great story Rob - those were the days! (Some say!!!)

[@greenman7126]

Appreciate your honesty it validates your bike reviews and puts your opinion up in my estimation. Keep up the great work.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I appreciate that!

[@johncranwell3783]

you know all my life I have hankered for Norton commando never quite made it in buying one back in the 70s…. I had Norton 600… what a heavy vibratory machine that was but it did go round corners beautifully…. No wonder there was so many tritons made. Anyway, I had a 650 BSA thunderbolt, 1969,all modded up with full devimead conversion which made it an absolutely wonderful machine to ride and then somehow I slipped into BMWs the old ones not the new ones…. Family is growing up and I’m looking for another bike and I am so happy that there are so many retros as that is all I want simplicity but more reliable…. Still researching, but the Royal Enfield 650s. Are my favourites right now….. great review, although somewhat disappointed that for the money it’s so rough as you say…. Good review, that’s what I like. Thank you

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thank you for watching and for stopping by!

[@BumbleBee-qe8kc]

Don’t worry about it Andy, you have just given an honest review you can’t be expected to love every bike you ride, everyone’s opinion is different. 👍

[@ejdtm]

It’s a great looking bike. You can tell where they try to balance, old style and new style. And it really will be up to the owner where to go from there if they want to customize it.

[@billcotton1551]

I think you will just get the vibes with that engine. It is a beauty though! I agree with you TMF ,no excuse for the rim tarnishing.

[@TheMotoStudio964]

Brilliant Review. I’ve had one of Garner 961’s and I can relate to everything that you said. I really thought TVS would have made more of an effort. Such a shame!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

That’s interesting - thanks for sharing

[@stevecambers3190]

I have the Z900RS & a 2009 Bonneville & I would not have quite put either of these two bikes in the same league as the 16k Norton. This is because of the Norton's name & its heritage. However, I value your opinion, so having listened to your review I probably won't be adding one of these to my collection, anytime soon... You were honest & that is all you can be....

[@goodthiefphoto]

Yay! Norton is back but with so many retro bikes with such good quality and tech, it's a shame that Norton misses the mark. I think I'd be looking at a Triumph Thruxton RS (in Competition Green!)

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Couldn't agree more!

[@ianpotter5840]

I’ve had my beloved Street Twin for 2 years now and I’m certainly not ready to part with it. But I did wonder if the 961SP might be an option one day. I ride quite long distances and love to do the odd tour and it’s clear from your review that the Norton isn’t the right bike for that. Leaving aside the vibration etc. even details like the foot pegs, brake and gear lever look like they’ve come off a cheap chinese bike, not something that costs twice the price of a comparable Triumph. In fact Triumph’s classic range foot pegs and levers really are a work of art. What a shame, a bike maybe just to look at and ride occasionally. Thanks for a really detailed review.

[@dave8204]

A mate of mine,well-known in the bike mag business,had a 961 a few years ago as a company bike and told me he hardly rode it and didn't really like it,this is someone who has owned a lot of bikes , ridden several hundred at least and very rarely actually doesn't like one. He's actually just bought a 1970's Commando,the third he's had, which he really likes.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I’m glad we concur - did he publish about it in the magazine?

[@Paul-67]

Good to watch your review of the Norton. I have recently subscribed to your channel and have been binging on your many episodes. Your passion for motorcycling is apparent and I particularly liked your past review of the 05 Triumph Sprint, it seems that the lovely sprint opened up your whole word of motorcycling. Great to watch your travels as well.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Welcome aboard!

[@jonecin]

great review. I own a 961 2018, awesome bike for people who want a Norton. This is a true honest review.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Glad we concur!

[@andiway1208]

Thank you for that, I too am gutted you didn’t like her. That said, I really appreciate your comments and honesty, thank you. If they don’t like it, stuff them! They need to step up to compete these days, Royal Enfield - need I say more? Thanks Andy.

[@robertjames6640]

My love of British bikes stayed firmly off road where a couple of Gold Star scramblers followed by Matchless and Triumph Metisses provided me with all the fun one could ask for. And they were reliable machines considering they were flogged in many scrambles. I never quite took to British road bikes and was introduced to BMW twins when in the military. I purchased a new 75/5 in 1972 and sold it in 2019. I owned several other models alongside it and never had a dud. I do not equate leaking engines and transmissions, vibration serious enough to shed parts and dodgy electrics with good engineering. After WW2 the glory that was once the British motorcycle industry had degenerated badly. The three losers from WW2 eventually produced motorcycles that nailed the home industry’s coffin shut. This “reborn” Norton appears to suffer from a few issues from the past. For such a hefty price, there are other motorcycles offering better all round performance in a faster, modern world.

[@davidfishbough6170]

Hello Andy, great review of the Nortan. I love your honesty. You did the same type of review of the Ducati Streetfighter V2. I went and test road and you were spot on with your review of this bike. I still purchased the V2 because the negatives did not outway the positives for me. But I did know what I was getting into. Thanks for keeping it real. We as your listeners really appreciate the honesty.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Appreciate that - thank you David

[@Banditmanuk]

Visually this bike looks almost identical to what Garner's Norton were turning out at Donington. Looks great but that's where the attraction ends of this bike. Let's hope Norton get around to producing something up to date that's also affordable

[@SmittyAZ]

I like the sound of it, just as much as the looks. I'm sure that having to ride it to hear it, is too big of a negative.

[@a13bkd62]

Perhaps have a read through the plethora of reviews which explain just how different and superior this version is to the previous regimes model. For a hand built motorcycle it's pretty fairly priced imho. The mass-produced motorcycle alternatives are plenty, in particular the Z900RS which is cheaper of course and excellent too.

[@Fernando90054]

I like modern retro looking bikes with the accent on the “modern” not in the retro. Triumph is a successful exemplary case of that . The Bonneville family as they call it it’s just a wonderful work on that area! Thanks for the review ✌️✌️

[@Banditmanuk]

@a13bkd62 I definitely see the attraction of a British build hand made bike, we had a deposit down before it all hit the fan! The fact that certain key figures that oversaw the Garner debacle are still there puts me off.

[@hughess004]

I know that beauty is in the eye of the beholder but to this beholder, a 65 year old rider my whole life, that is a beautiful motorcycle.

[@johneastwood9540]

I think you are spot on Andy, the 961 Norton is a beauty, but the elephant in the room is the engine. I rode an 'old' 961 a few years ago and came to the same conclusions you did. It was vibey, underpowered for a 961 cc twin and frankly I'd have a Speed Twin every time if I was considering buying this kind of bike. I had hoped the 'new' Norton 961 would be much better than the old one in the engine department, but it seems not sadly. What's that saying? You can't polish a t**d but you can sprinkle glitter on it.

[@paulv22]

I think you need to talk to your friends at Triumph and test a Thruxton RS. I've always been very impressed with what Bloore was able to do with the Triumph resurrection. This just helps confirm that.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I have tested a Thruxton RS - lovely looking but super uncomfortable to ride….

[@hunyango2k]

ijust saw the thumbnail, without watching the video... this is a stunning retro bike.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Maybe have a watch?

[@julianroberts7116]

Hiya Andy. I got what you said about not doing your usual route - for once I didn't recognise that much of where you were, except going past the Pink & Lily, and The Whip Inn! I do love the idea of Norton coming back, but it looks like they really have to smooth out some of these niggles if they want to be any more than a 'more money than sense' brand. Especially as you said, the Thruxton is just as beautiful a retro bike, and so much cheaper. (BTW I just ordered my Classic 350, I'll look out for you one road!)

[@malcolmpatton9314]

Thanks Andy honest review speaks volumes for your Chanel. It’s over priced and under powered maybe they will lift their game but not the price.ride safe.

[@michaelcase8574]

The Norton 850 Commando from thr early 70s is, to me, one of the three most beautiful bikes of all retro bikes. There are some very good examples of Nortons of all eras in the Oregon Norton club.

[@mitchellfox3130]

Couldn't agree more. My uncle had one when I was just a kid. I got to ride pillion and I would be giddy with delight watching the speedo climb past 80. The Commando 850 is, to this day, my definitive cool bike. Actually my definition of cool - period.

[@moto-jeff]

Excellent non biased review Andy.

[@johnsamson-snell9558]

Totally agree with you. Earlier this year I had the money put aside to buy one of these but I didn’t. The choice was between the Norton and the Thruxton RS but having ridden both, the Triumph was the far better bike. So what did I buy? Neither, whilst I loved the Thruxton, at 6’3” it was just too small for me so I purchased another Honda Blackbird (like the one I first purchased in 2000) and I couldn’t be happier.

[@ashleyreynolds6604]

I think if I had that kind of money set aside and I was potentially a Blackbird buyer I'd have been sorely tempted by the Hayabusa, an ex demo for about £13.5k. I had one on loan for a couple of hours and it was a fantastic ride.

[@DJ-xl8xh]

Again, great review. Thoughtful critique ... Exactly what people need to hear, with no malice to the brand. Well done my friend!!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Much appreciated!

[@alancoath]

With respect, you have never once mentioned that this is a hand made machine. You are comparing a low volume, hand made in England motorcycle with mass produced machines made in the far east. Buy anything hand made and you will pay at least double for the privilege whether it be a guitar, a pushbike or whatever. This is not to say that mass produced items can't be of excellent quality, just that they are not comparable. Maybe some people have "more money than sense" but they have a passion about these things. It gives them a sense of pride, a sense of connection. I had a two hour test ride on the 961 and I didn't want to hand it back. It made me feel good to be alive, and it felt very special. Although I never noticed as to whether the lights were led or not. The specs are low because that's what suits the 961. It's not a speed machine, it doesn't need 6 gears, 5 gears are just right. Why add unecessary complications for the sake of it, so the spec sheet looks good? The weight is 230kg wet not dry, which makes quite a difference. The wheels are polished aluminium not chromium. They will clean up, unlike the chromium rims on my Bonneville Scrambler which pitted three months after I bought the machine and will always be pitted. If you value your back, leaning slightly forward is good and any weight on the wrists should disappear as soon as you get moving. Sitting bolt upright causes jarring directly up the spine with every bump, not good - for me anyway. With regard to other bikes you mention, if space allowed I could go on about them. The Z900RS is a beautiful looking machine but some owners report that it is snatchy to the point of being dangerous. I realise your review is your honest opinion, but that doesn't make it correct. Sadly many people will be influenced by it.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Well as you said it is just my opinion (which is correct for me), you are entitled to yours and others can draw their own conclusions and opinions….

[@alancoath]

People can't draw proper conclusions if they are not aware of key facts. The hand made aspect is a huge factor regarding the price of the Norton and this not down to opinion. I'm surprised and disappointed that you can't acknowledge this. It's not so much what you say in the review (if you're not keen on the bike that's fine), it's what you don't say which can damage the brand. And statements of the weight (important for some) can't be said to be correct for you, they are just not correct.

[@jfro5867]

@@alancoath This is a symptom of the modern disease, social media influencers, especially ones with a relatively large following. I don’t know what the antidote is tbh because we can’t trust bike magazines or journo’s either. They all have their own ‘interests’. TMF didn’t get on with it, well that’s fine, but his choice of bike is pretty mainstream, a bit ‘safe’, so a throwback like the vibey Norton won’t be his cup of tea. I’ve unsubscribed from a number of KZbinrs this last year because I’ve just got bored listening to the same old tropes as the same press bikes get handed around. I agree it’s hurt the Norton brand though. No doubt.

[@stevenjonestriumpht1207]

Agree about the roughness and vibration. But I enjoyed the feeling. Reminded me of my 1976 Triumph T140. But so much better. Rider's of my age will love the Norton because it Reminds us of our youth but it won't brake down or parts won't fall off.

[@grahamtricker4103]

I'm not so sure about that. The original Garner Nortons, which this one basically is, were not that reliable...

[@stevenjonestriumpht1207]

@@grahamtricker4103 if you ever owned a 1970s British bike anything is more reliable lol

[@grahamtricker4103]

@@stevenjonestriumpht1207 😆

[@richardgitz2264]

I love Norton like you do and appreciate your realistic perspective.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thank you

[@motorvatedltd8048]

A very refreshingly honest review, top job! Yes, the 961 is now msva'd due to being a reworked euro 4 bike that will not pass the now much stricter homologation criteria. I believe the price has also since gone up ie the base model has no tank pin striping which is an extra....as is I'm sure the blackened engine cases.

[@richardmottram3436]

So sad, but I respect Mr TMFs honesty. I had a brand new 850 Commando mk3 back in the day, looked ace, went like the clappers but was so unreliable. I traded it in for a new Suzuki GS750, which was superb and never failed me. Still riding 50 years later and have recently traded in my V Strom for a 23 plate Triumph Tiger 900 GT Pro after watching Andy's reviews and a test ride, have to say loving every minute.

[@Tony21TT]

So glad that you review this absolutely beautiful bike.The looks ,the sound Amazing retro.Thanks Andy for great review

[@martinhaskell376]

I’m glad you said about it being jerky at low speed Andy, I rode one a couple of weeks ago and found that. Glad it wasn’t just me.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Glad we concur!

[@lifebehindbars1868]

Andy - great to hear an honest review. I watch all your stuff, and didn't expect such a direct approach. Chapeau 😊

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Much appreciated!

[@PuppyBiker]

Great honest review, even if it means you may not get to ride another Norton in the near future 😅 I think all the criticisms are constructive. If Norton paid some attention and addressed those issues in the next update, it would be better for it - esp at the price point. If you're going to charge premium for a boutique, low-volume bike, then make sure the details are right. Plasticky indicators that fade in less than a year and sub-par alloy finishes on the rims, trims, and triple clamps do matter for the targeted buyer, I would imagine. I do find it slightly amusing at all the comments saying things like, back in my day, we never had fuel gauges, inidicator lights on the dash, slipper-clutches and the like; and how can you call yourself a real man, unless you're fettling with your bike every second day because it wouldnt start or leak oil..... 🙄😅. I think they're missing the point of buying a modern retro. People may want the looks, sound, and feel of a bike from the 60's and 70's, but they don't want the headaches and unreliability of them. Otherwise, just buy an old bike from that period and fettle to your hearts content. I'm ok with bikes without fuel gauges as you can learn to calculate your range, as Andy had mentioned. But how hard is it REALLY for a manufacturer to include one in 2024? How does having one "detract" from an authentic retro experience? 🤷🏻‍♂️ Oh, and you can absolutely have a beautifully elegant, round headlight with effective and safer LEDs than sticking with older halogen bulbs from yesteryear - case in point, Triumph Speed Triple 1200RR. Nothing wrong with wanting to see better at night to avoid hitting a possum crossing the road or ol' Trevor pulling out of an intersection in his SUV without looking for other road users.

[@darrenhall6509]

Hi Andy. As I mentioned before, I had a CR version of this on order and was so disappointed when they could not give me a deliver date due to parts supply problems. I have now bought a new Triumph Speed Twin 1200 and what a brilliant bike that is. It is not as raw as the Norton but as a bike to ride its miles better. I think I had a lucky escape in the end, plus its five grand cheaper! Thank you for an honest revue.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes you did the right thing there!

[@artiexr222]

Respect Andy for the honest review Norton hopefully will sit up and value an honest opinion.

[@derekm6236]

Good to have a brutally honest review rather than the usual gushing of cliches and excuses from the print journalists! The wheels are alloy, so 5 minutes with the Solvol would cure the tarnish.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Fair enough!

[@milolabrett6549]

Andy it’s a two banger 21st century come 60 - 70’s retro bike. It should be that loud and it should have a bit of rock and roll. A few years ago now my first street bike riding experience was on a 1973 Norton Commando circa 1977, so I guess I was about 15 years old. I was staying for the weekend at a buddies place and buddies older brother had the bike and left the keys in the ignition. We took it for a rip through town and on the highway buddy on the back. I was totally hooked, a year later I bought a two banger 750 Kawasaki. My first street machine and still living to tell the tale.

[@MoroMagrew]

Honest review much appreciated! Even though you say at one point you may never get to ride another Norton because of it, you stick to your opinion, respect. Hopefully Norton can get their act together and produce something that distinguishes it from its troubled past!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Let’s hope so - the V4 looks good to me!

[@bucksmusic]

Thanks for doing an honest review. I wouldn't buy one now, even if I could afford it. Many years ago (15 perhaps) I went to test ride a bike, and when I got there it wasn't available (and stupidly I hadn't booked it), so as I was at a Ducati dealer I asked the guy if I could test ride a Monster. No problem. So I took out this virtually new 1100 Monster, thinking this ride could cost me a lot of money. I was wrong. I hated it almost instantly. The vibrations and noise (std pipes) were unbearable. I rode it for 10 minutes and took it back. I couldn't imagine how it could stay screwed together with that level of vibration. I've never considered a Ducati since. Bought a 2021 Triumph T100 a month ago. Fabulous bike.

[@Endurorodzndubz]

That front wheel looks like it has been polished in direct sunlight and had a reaction.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Maybe…apparently it’s aluminium so nothing a bit of autosol or similar couldn’t fix….

[@stevensmyth8359]

back in time i had a Commando Mk2A 750 interstate. by what you say it has not changed very much, except the Vibes. I had the Isoelastic frame mounts which meant there was no vibration at all, would i buy a roadster, no i dont think so but henry's version, yes. Also it seems to have become unit construction which i am not a fan of having the same oil in the engine , gearbox and clutch. but then i am very old it seems thanks for the review i liked it very much

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

My pleasure Steven - thank you so much for watching!

[@peterwilson8039]

I got the first comment. I love Commandos! Those footpegs that fold straight up are good for barking your shins.

[@BibtheBoulder]

I didn't. I don't.

[@jjnewman65]

All your reviews are honest Andy. Well done for having the balls sharing this. Like most, I’d have one as my Sunday cafe ride out.

[@davidtait7407]

Test rode one last month,.. the way to approach this bike is, don’t try and compare it to anything else, it’s just the Norton experience and obviously not your only bike. It uses all your senses and you have ride it. However can’t part with my cash until see more long term user reviews

[@jfro5867]

Well Andy. You have just gone up in my estimation because the pressure to do a glowing puff piece must have been immense. Hardly anything is out there on the 961 from established vloggers whose opinion is valued. The very few I’ve seen for sale have been nearer £18k OTR so I think you were right first time.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thanks for watching!

[@kennethwilliams9924]

Good for you for calling it like you see it Andy!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thank you….

[@steve_gooner0014]

Lovely looking bike but obviously too many corners cut in the details. I would love for Norton to be able to complete with Triumph / RE but seems they have set their sights on the niche market of buy a classic, park it in the living room and treat it like a piece of art. I have a 2023 Speed Twin and the fit and finish is very good, I know that Triumph have their detractors due to not manufacturing in the UK and the costs compared to the RE, but I never once considered getting an RE (or 2) instead of the Speed Twin.

[@BibtheBoulder]

I went to 'Super Sausage' last Sunday and was amazed at how many retro bikes are on the road! Such a fantastic choice these days, nothing like the 1970's when I began my motorcycling life. Meanwhile, if you fancy it, I have a 1991 Kawasaki Voyager xii (Kawasaki's answer at the time to the Honda Gold-Wing). if you wish to do a classic review on it (and possibly a comparison to how the super-tourer has developed)...

[@sgtgrash]

The brake & clutch reservoir brackets look like something I might bodge up out of scrap metal in my shed. The fact that they are secured by the mirror stalks makes them look like a total afterthought. Also, is it just me, or does the 'mill' sound like a Briggs & Stratton lawnmower engine? Norton School Report: Tries hard but could do better...

[@bobbralee1019]

Good review mate, I ride a R1250R and although in every way you can measure its a superior bike to ride, there are folks who will say its rubbish next to something like this Norton. Like you if I had the money I'd have one in an instant as it looks brilliant for posing and showing off at bike nights, but for riding I'll stick with the R which is such a very good all around motorcycle.

[@MachoMadness69420]

I’d much rather have a R1250R as well. To me the Norton is a bit like a Harley Davidson. I understand why they appeal to the people who buy them, but when you start looking at what you get for your money, they are objectively overpriced.

[@Dius765RS]

2:11 A truly Beautiful looking bike...

[@sidweazel2883]

First class honest review, best on the web.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Wow, thanks!

[@LambChopRides]

Great review Andy! 👍👍 Very honest

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Cheers Chopsie - can’t love em all can we! (As much as I wanted too this one)….

[@nikoscoulson]

I couldn't agree more with your comments - little things I would never have noticed but now can't unsee. That would really bother me for the money they cost. Fingers crossed they take some of your comments on board and it improves future versions of the bike.

[@mwng5186]

Really appreciate the honest review many these days just feel like an extended advert...

[@paulbarnes6124]

Ironically the original commando was relatively smooth when isolastics set correctly particularly mk3 ones !!

[@markbrill5391]

I imagine leaving a negative review is very difficult for any bike lover, especially when you start from the position of really wanting to admire the bike. Hopefully, Norton will accept the review as honest constructive criticism. Better still they will quickly get on and address the key issues, then invite you back to recognise the remedies once they fixed them? Keep up the good work!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Wouldn’t that be good!

[@antw3565]

Great looking and sounding bike. Appreciate the honesty.

[@barryjmarling]

Beautiful looking bike,great honest review Andy.👍🏻

[@paulholmes1682]

I have been down the dead-end of a "hand built, best of everything, exactly what I wanted bike". It was an horrendous, heart breaking disaster. Give me mass-production every time!! Forgot to mention, I'm not rich and it bankrupted me, to quote your video "Lessons learned" 👍

[@stevep9221]

I am confused as the 0-60 for the Norton is supposed to be 4.1 and for the V7 stone 5.8. The Triumph 1200 is around 3.8 but will that be choked by the latest emissions on the bike to be released. I have a Suzuki Bandit and an historic Triumph T140 Bon. I am now 61 so I either need to sell the bon or make it electric start. I wanted a Commando as I was a RM Commando. Now I am confused! Any ideas welcome.

[@jfro5867]

The Norton time will be BS. I’ve had the V7 Guzzi, nice bike but not fast and the 5.8 you quote feels about right. The Norton has a very short 1st and 2nd and can’t make 60mph so 4.1 is no chance. TBH don’t buy it for performance, it doesn’t really have any, as they used to say it ‘gathers pace’ rather than accelerates.

[@Volksplane1]

We need more honesty all round, great review!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thank you

[@davidhailstone1519]

Blimey, i didnt expect you to be that honest Andy.

[@uponthepegs]

Good to hear an honest review. Perhaps they’ll do a TMF version having addressed the niggles… thanks Andy.

[@rmmjr17]

I hope new Norton Commando is a success. I once had a 1975 Mark III Commando and it was special almost 50 years ago. Now I have a T120 Diamond and it is a far better bike right out of the box. You can dramatically upgrade today's Bonnie for less than the big price difference between it and the more expensive but less powerful Commando. For example, an x-pipe, a bigger brake kit, an Olin fork and rear shocks, a full LED headlight, etc., can be installed on the Bonnie and it will still cost less than the Norton.

[@mrnobodytheuser2950]

It looks nice for people who like it and have a lot of money, for me I would definitely take the RE Interceptor.

[@tonycraven8675]

At least you actually do a varied test not just one make like stuart fillingham royal enfield keep up the good work andy

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thanks, will do!

[@hgm8337]

You are right, each bike is individually tested but that means they can get away with non-compliant spec. Can't be sold abroad, however,.. Which is good for us Brits lol

[@jayb6038]

Perhaps you could do some vintage/retro bike reviews and a comparison of the to a modern equivalent say the original commando to the new 2023

[@leewatkeys9065]

Andy, how I was hoping you’d sing the Norton’s praises. But you have given your honest views. Isn’t it strange that a company’s test riders either can’t feel the vibes and general roughness of a bike and report back: you can only imagine that Norton have taken a left side view point and trying to move the bike so far off the norm as to not be comparable and are going for a market where money is no object and mileage will hardly be an issue? I wonder how many they need to sell to be profitable and keep exclusivity up. The price argument is what it’s worth to an individual. There are always cheaper alternatives to a option. Is a 200k car really that much better if at all than a 100k car? Keep up the good work

[@chriswild2458]

Hi good honest review, it’s lovely to see Norton back I had a close up look at one in a local dealer who has picked up a Norton franchise for Cheshire , I agree with some of the design issues re indicators etc but the thing that irritates me the most are the mirrors and the reservoirs just so Mickey Mouse but easy for Norton to amend

[@RocketMan_Moto]

Probably the best (most useful) review I’ve seen you do. Well done for telling the truth👍😊

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Wow, thanks!

[@peterrichards7387]

Nice honest review just as we've come to expect from you. Its great to see Norton back in the mix but they have to get the balance of modern / retro right for this kind of money. Cheers

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Totally agree