2023 Tokyo Marui URGI MWS ZET GBBR VS 2023 Double Eagle Noveske N4 MWS ZET GBBR

This is part 2 of the comparison series of the MWS ZET system, in this video we will take the latest and greatest 2023 Tokyo Marui URGI MWS GBBR and compare it to the much cheaper 2023 Double Eagle Noveske N4 MWS GBBR, What looks on paper as an apples to apples comparison might surprise you!!!!.
*** Attention These are only Airsoft Toys, there are no real firearms in this video, this was filmed in a safe and secure location with no risk to any other persons or property ***

[@danielojaaru2344]

Doing god's work with these comparisons, appreciate it!

[@djcrackhead69]

Definitly an interesting video, the noveske n4 has been creeping up in my reccommended lately and was wondering how it would stand up against a tm one. So great video man!

[@itsfuk1nmike669]

you are an absolute god man

[@iTziLLUMY]

Good review, thanks for an insightful video. The TM mws is about 1200$ before taxes and delivery here in Canada. I went with the DE N4 at 650$ the extra cash will be for the furniture. Although I like the TM version I don’t mind dipping my toes into the my first GBBR rifle with a clone.

[@OperatorJackYT]

I have a GHK AK105 and now I have been looking for a M4 GBBR Might go for the DE MWS, the price is good too

[@bax301]

Regarding the inner barrel on the TM the standard would be a 6.08mm 250mm which was in all the variations of the MWS up to this point. If the new URGI has full length inner barrel its an interesting change for them to make, excellent video comparison btw.

[@C02_TheAlphaGroup]

Cool video! I’ve been running MWS variants since 2018 so it’s interesting to see how a clone compares! I’m sure you may have covered it already, but I’m curious about the DE in terms of its overall performance, like how well does the hop perform, what bb weights can it lift? What’s the FPS like out the box, range, accuracy etc? Would you say it’s a great alternative if someone already has an existing MWS, and would like a more different build without paying the extra cost for new receivers, rails etc? 👍

[@jameskalas16]

Think I’ve found an issue with the URGI. The rail creeps forward from the receiver under use. Noticed a gap between the top rails on the hand-guard and receiver. Tightened the rail back up (with blue lock tight)… happened again. Noticed yours has done the same since your unboxing video.

[@lui_lui4988]

Thank you so much for these videos, I've been researching gbbr's like crazy since I want to get my first one as a little christmas present for myself. I think I've decided to go with the DE, although the TM looks very enticing and in my opinion more visually appealing. Is it worth double the price, I can't say i can justify it lol

[@rubenpozo2280]

Hi man! How’s it going with the DE??

[@albertocostell4449]

what a nice video men, congrats

[@MiddleAgeGameruk]

Thank you!!!!

[@albertocostell4449]

would you pay the extra money for the tokyo marui? Its freaking expensive haha@@MiddleAgeGameruk

[@CPLusmcTARE]

why the rack lever dont lock in Noveske when u shooting???

[@stephenmills4751]

Another good video and Double Eagle are really starting to step up with reasonably priced replicas with like almost mid range internals out of the box. What's your thoughts on SRC? And have you used the SRC 5.1 Baba Yaga? If so, what's your opinion on it?

[@MiddleAgeGameruk]

Hi there, I haven't used src yet, but it is on my list of brands to try. Thanks!!!!

[@razen3121]

Hello, been watching some of your comparisons videos and i learned alot! Im new to airsoft hobby and been thinking of buying the DE dmag magazine for my TM URG-I like in your video, is the magazine good or should i just buy TM MWS magazine instead?

[@MiddleAgeGameruk]

Hi there, the DE mags are OK, especially for cqb. They do have a smaller tank and, therefore, a lower fps. Tm mags shoot around 320-330fps, whereas the DE shoots around 300fps. There are many brands now making P-Mags like master mods and T8 with their lancer mags, so you really have a good choice.

[@akisame-akiko]

Thanks for comparison video for us. I was wondered how 'copied' one good or bad. There is not so much info in domestic market but just DE is copied TM. In Japan (where I live in) both of them not so much price differences. something alike URG-I(TM) in market price 62,000-68,000 yen and N4(DE) is about 60,000-70,000 yen. also DE one is hard to get because importer is quite few. I will try PMAG shape MWS mag if affordable price. nice one keep it up. by the way, MWS inner barrel length is 250mm(9.84"). It is same inner barrel length every TM MWS rifles. even 16" models'.

[@zpaz]

Very thorough review. You are giving us the best GBB/GBBR reviews on KZbin. I am considering buying a GHK URGI MK16, mainly because the finish on the gun is less scratchable than the VFC and because of the better winter performance (in my opinion of course). It seems like you prefer the VFC over the GHK. Therefore, It would be nice to see a review from you comparing a VFC to a GHK both from the AR series.

[@RazorNLD]

I would take GHK over VFC, however depends on the platform and what replica. GHK was my 1st GBBR and it runs great in the winter! But you can also get a TM and still have it running in -5, -10 degrees celcius.

[@benjitsang8869]

Holy shit you guys have this stuff marked up beyond all reason. I'm in HK and earlier this year I picked up an base model mws. Noveske was going for 290 pounds and mws I got it on sale for 250. Curious how everything's holding up over use tho.

[@ExiLeZH]

I noticed a difference between the two performance wise? The TM's firerate and kick seems to be faster and harder? Now since you demonstrated a part swap (in which the performance also "transferred"), it then should originate from either the mag, the bolt carrier/nozzle or combination of both? This wasn't fully clear to me.

[@MiddleAgeGameruk]

Hi there, the fire rate is down to the mags, the pmags are great and work fine but the size of the tank inside has a slightly less volume and the stock knocker valve releases just a fraction more gas than the tm wich dose result in a slightly higher cooldown rate etc.. when I use the tm mag with the noveske, it cycles the same as the tm. Whatever brand of mag you choose, you will see slightly different performance levels some more and some less.

[@ExiLeZH]

@@MiddleAgeGameruk Oh nice, good to know the DE has the full potential with just a simple mag swap. So when buying the DE, just get more TM mags with it, or another specific brand? Perhaps some modifications are possible to still somewhat improve the DE mag? Or would for example a higher output release valve decrease the performance too much since the tank is smaller?

[@MiddleAgeGameruk]

Exactly, with the DE mags, you probably couldn't chainge the tank size, but a simple knocker valve swop to a master mods, or guarda should improve the rate of fire. As for tm mags, there is just bomb proof and have been the standard.

[@mykesy]

Sorry if this was shown/posted but I couldn’t find it. How does the stock TM mags perform in the stock Noveske DE N4? TIA

[@MiddleAgeGameruk]

Hi there, the standard tm mags work well with the DE noveske n4, I did notice a small fps increase and slight increase in recoil. I would run the tm mags with it, no problem.

[@isaacshively5976]

I love in the US so I have to run green gas and I don’t upgrade stuff till it breaks so in your opinion would a stock TM on green gas last longer than the GE

[@MiddleAgeGameruk]

Hi there, both will last, but the tm will last you slightly longer in between parts failure. To caviat that I have put over 6k rounds through the Double Eagle and the Marui, and both have been solid, no failures.

[@AdityaYokianchang]

in term of accuracy out of the box and long term durability , better buy straight tm mk18 or this DE N4 is good choice ? because me really tired with we-tech

[@MiddleAgeGameruk]

Hi there, both Tokyo Marui and Double Eagle are great choices.

[@rostokmcspoons]

Great video. I'm definitely keen on the DE (my DE M906C has served me so well I bought a used 904G as a lightweight/friends&family gun). The only thing I noticed in this video that could put me off is when you fired them both on full-auto. In the first shooting segment, the DE tended to double-tap. In the section shooting segment, where you had swapped the bolt and mag over, the DE with the TM components fired nice little bursts, whereas the DE components in the TM still seemed rather sluggishly double-tapping again. Is there a difference in the amount of gas the magazines are providing? I wonder if the TM mags are letting more gas into the system and therefore giving that nice rate-of-fire...? Edit - just seen another comment below - it's the mags. Ok!

[@jk-airsoft]

Hi thanks for the video! Are the upper receivers cross compatible?

[@MiddleAgeGameruk]

Hi there, due to the shape of the noveske n4 design, they are not cross compatible. You can swap everything inside, but that's all.

[@jk-airsoft]

Ah ok! Thanks for letting me know really appreciate it!

[@Orange_Spartan]

Did you notice the shorter mag performed less (range etc) than the TM? Sounds like the DE is good but may require a lot of tinkering

[@MiddleAgeGameruk]

Hi there, the lower fps/range is due to two things i found. The first is the short inner barrel. Mine came with a really short inner barrel. The second is the size of the mags gas tank, the marui holds slightly more gas with a slightly higher pressure. The ability to use a variety of different magazines is a great benefit as you can find ones that perform the best for you.

[@Orange_Spartan]

Ahh thanks dude, do you think the TMs longer barrel makes it a bit more rangey/accurate overall? or is there not much in it with the short inner barrel? @@MiddleAgeGameruk

[@MiddleAgeGameruk]

Hi there, all I can say without further testing is that there was enough fps difference that they had to go short for uk laws, now for me that means they didn't want to spend time testing and most likely took the simple option for cost. I will say a tight bore inner barrel that goes just to the tip will be a good start to get it ready for reaching out beyond 25m. Just remember the jule creep and, if possible, install an npass to help. A bucking of your choice will help, too.

[@Orange_Spartan]

Thanks bro really informative 😊@@MiddleAgeGameruk

[@dominich.2163]

I would get a vfc. I think the vfc is just nicer overall.

[@justanotheryoutubedoofus3693]

Where did you order the Noveske? I can’t find it anywhere except for Redwolf ($100 for shipping is way out of my budget)

[@MiddleAgeGameruk]

Hi there, I got my noveske from bespoke airsoft here in the UK.

[@albertwidiantoify]

please make a video comparison gun modify mws vs TM mws

[@MiddleAgeGameruk]

As soon as I get my hands on a GM mws, I will thanks for the suggestion.

[@laujeffrey]

the gas efficiency and performance of the marui URGI is obviously better than the double eagle n4... although the price of the DE n4 might be more 'entry' level, i dont recommend newbies buying the DE n4. Buying the marui MWS is always the best choice for people who want to save himself the trouble or dont have the time to spend

[@anthonywood9632]

Think for the price can’t go wrong with the noveske. Halo mill? Presume your also from Yorkshire. I play at proving grounds nr Selby

[@lootingu]

im kind of torn of what to purchase as of right now for gbbr, its either a KAC SR16e3 VFC, Noveske by Double Eagle, or go straight into a M4A1 TM MWS Zet System, what do you think would be the best purchase?

[@MiddleAgeGameruk]

Vfc makes outstanding airsoft replicas, whereas Marui makes outstanding skirmish ready airsoft replicas. Both are amazing options with the marui mws platform, You can make your replica be whatever you want with so many aftermarket parts.

[@lootingu]

@@MiddleAgeGameruk Thanks! I might go for a VFC since i love KAC, its odd tho, the KAC im getting apparently has no NPAS, i might just need to purchase one seperately

[@MiddleAgeGameruk]

Hi there, before you do, just check the top of the nozzle for "M4/416 V3" printed on the top and off you look down the nozzle and see a small hex screw then you know you have the npass, min came with a metal restrictor glued in it even though I had a v3 nozzle. They weren't expensive though and it was relatively simple to replace. One piece of advice is to run the first 1k bbs in semi as it will take some time to wear in. Hope you enjoy your awesome GBBR!!!!.

[@daviddaniels1271]

the firing sound of DE n4 is like a cheap thin can. @12:51 tm charging handle on DE n4 uppper not locked & its moving while firing

[@MiddleAgeGameruk]

The charging handle on the n4 was the tm urgi as a proof of concept that parts were interchangeable, as stated in the video. The charging handle does work, but due to the different reciver shapes being a modern noveske design , the tm's handle did not hold tight due to the higher recoil impulse from using the tm magazine. As for sounds using their own parts properly in person, they sound the same, sadly without spending thousands on professional audio setup, hopefully one day in the future, you can't get a good audio thats really representative. Hope that helps.

[@daviddaniels1271]

I'm tempted to get DE N4 . I already have og tm mws with 6 spare mags. So I can use them on future de n4 mws

[@MartinJHarris]

I 've brought two Double Eagles... one is being turned into a DMR

[@t.k.3770]

The Tokyo Marui MWS takes the Noveske Magazine without any changes?

[@MiddleAgeGameruk]

Hi there, Yes, the Double Eagle is a direct clone of the Marui internally, so magazines are interchangeable, no problem. They even work in the Cyma/T8 DDM4 PDW I just unboxed.

[@brunoteixeira2177]

i would really like to know if some brands like double eagle or other will making a AK plantform (TM system) or a rebranded vfc (apfg/maruyama) will make one less expensive, because the new GHK AK v3 is awsome but the price is proibited!

[@MiddleAgeGameruk]

Hi there, it would be amazing. The tm ak is truly the best skirmishable ak on the market, but a vfc Ak would be a work of art. Ghk is also great, but you do need a mortgage to own one and keep it running.

[@brunoteixeira2177]

@@MiddleAgeGameruk hum...morgage why? I know the v2 have their problems but i think on a v3 their problems are gone...but its to expensive to buy one!

[@MiddleAgeGameruk]

Mortgage was meant as a slight exaggeration, ghk are very expensive, especially here in the UK, and with ghk parts being limited, we are left to import them at an extra cost, too. Also, yes, the gen3 ak's on paper seem to fix their issues, but it's too soon to say that, a year or two is needed to get a wider view from as many people as possible. I am praying they have fixed them.

[@brunoteixeira2177]

@@MiddleAgeGameruk well we Will see! The main issues on theirs Aks was the QC tests! The main brands or the others good brands may diverse on type off réplicas like cx bren or the hybrid PSA jakl, This Last One i would buy! The technology exits!

[@darque1860]

I like the double eagle way more. It's a sexy rifle.

[@Froztdrew]

Hi, does the tokyo marui upper work on the noveske lower?

[@MiddleAgeGameruk]

Hi there, Noveske cut their recivers different for the N4, so sadly, no. All the internals are compatible, etc..

[@Froztdrew]

Would i need to file the upper's pin hole?@@MiddleAgeGameruk

[@DNH17]

How to recognize MWS from not MWS Marui? Marui seems not to refer to a MWS or also shops do not refer to it. Would like to understand how to get a GBBR mws. Any GBBR by marui is a MWS? Or it has a specific SKU?

[@MiddleAgeGameruk]

Hi there, any AR15 gbbr from Tokyo Marui will use the "MWS ZET" system. With other companies that use the Marui's ZET design, they will refer it to just the MWS system as that is what the community calls it. So, like Guns Modify, they call there HK 416A5, MWS GBBR. What that means is they use the similar or same system as marui and use the same magazines, inner barrels and bucking etc...

[@DNH17]

@@MiddleAgeGameruk Thanks. Thanks a lot. This confusion came for me for Marui at least, as I watched a video of a GBBR owner and in title or elsewhere in video wrote and said "why getting a MWS is worth it"? (so I thought since he was speaking of a Marui that there are Marui GBBR that are not MWS... I m talking recent ones) or something similar. And thus from the newbie perspective this creates a mess as you can't learn or put into a context as generally today people (not you) talk like all where inner of their circle. There is this very low grade tribal attitude that is destroying communication (it's not just the normal perspective of an ignorant on the topic I believe). It's cool when a speaker offers at least a "safety hook" for any viewer staying light and cool in the speaking...(for example you do this in this or another video where as you mention the parts of the replica you actually point at their location.. that allows to learn while listening to new or semi new stuff or strengthen something one already knows without being too heavy for someone who knows already). I don't watch videos if I can't learn I don't do stuff but to learn new stuff. It's like many people don't do this but just to fill their time, like they were always bored, or for the makers of the content\video\ like there was someone else on the other side that wanted to learn... While instead we are learning and problem fixing machines (besides other things). Thanks for keeping your videos open to learning and actually informative.

[@RazorNLD]

Is the Noveske N4 Double Eagle Ctr-spec or is it Mil-spec?

[@MiddleAgeGameruk]

hi there the Noveske N4 fits all Mill spec stocks and grips compatible with real steel AR15's.

[@douglassoal6196]

Have you seen the guns modify mws.

[@MiddleAgeGameruk]

Hi there, yes I have. Guns modify are a good option for people with some experience in the mws ecosystem.

[@Theflyesttruckerukno]

How much each ?? $$$$

[@MiddleAgeGameruk]

Hi there, as stated in the video, the Tokyo Marui URG-I mws retails for £629.99 and the Double Eagle Noveske N4 goes for £349.99. Hope that helps

[@Theflyesttruckerukno]

@MiddleAgeGameruk thank u, miss that part or somthin, appreciate the response

[@Theflyesttruckerukno]

@MiddleAgeGameruk I wudda took, "its in the video" lol Again thanks

[@strippingwelsh1]

Is it just me, but does the Marui body look worse? Like bad cast, the part above buffer tube looks hideous...

[@user-nw3kc7zu6j]

Tm cast metal bits oxidize to a wierd white/greyish finish. It happens to all tm products.

[@TurkishBenAirsoft]

Id still rather have the TM.

[@KhadskinYTDPH]

double eagle is made from china i am right ?

[@MiddleAgeGameruk]

Hi there, most airsoft parts are made in China and assembled elsewhere. In the case of double eagle, it's a mix of Taiwan and China.

[@KhadskinYTDPH]

but in the reality china and taiwan are still fighting you know what im saying :D @@MiddleAgeGameruk

[@MiddleAgeGameruk]

Isn't that the truth, but if it works, it works!. Look at Apple, and the us imposes sanctions on China, yet most tech firms have their components manufactured there. Lol