2024 BMW R12 First Ride Review - Better than the NineT?

[@chrisbarnes9260]

That rear mudguard looks wrong to me as i dont think it suits the rest of the bike. Why then have they fitted a useless short front mudguard ?

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Beats me!

[@clasqm]

It's a BMW. so it looks better with panniers :-) . Looks like the mounting dubbins are there already.

[@chrisbarnes9260]

@@clasqminteresting point I wonder if they are for panniers, but I still don’t like it.

[@stevecade857]

@@clasqm Not on the left side with that exhaust.

[@michaeldevoe9235]

Like the color scheme…as said earlier the rear fender fits the bike, but a bit of minimalist front fender eh? Contrary to some others, and opinions are subjective, do like how it looks…large big company bikes are expensive, as everything is these days. Setting the stage for a “retro” GS saw pictures of maybe? Life changes had to reduce my bike a few years back…but my GSA is getting lonely in the shed! Thank you for the review, would be curious how living with it day to day would be like!

[@camerongeater5404]

I haven't been big on cruisers in a long time, but something about this bike speaks to me in a good way. My local shop just got a red one in, and I think it may end up in my garage!

[@steamixion]

So, did it?

[@garethtemple6242]

Great review, as always. I haven't owned a BMW in nearly 25 years, but this one really appeals to me.

[@RRRRefuelRideRace]

They designed it to be very attractive. I rode it recently. Great machine. Will upload it very soon in May. Just drop by to check my content. You may like it. Thanks a lot. Cheers.

[@Deetroiter]

The keyless feature is a fantastic one for people like me who are used to parking the bike in the garage. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve made the stop at the local market and forgotten my key in the ignition because I’m so used to leaving it in there when parking it at home. Great video and review! Thanks from the States!

[@bobdumbell]

Took one out a week ago and had 3hrs on it from inverness to Achnasheen (Scottish Highlands) absolutely loved, first naked bike I've ridden in years comfy and really moves. I usually ride an RT prefer the RT for touring but would love an R12 for day rides if I had the cash! Another top review buddy

[@crozatier333]

Thanks

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Wow - thank you!

[@frankolwenda5128]

I honestly think, this is one of BMW's most beautiful bikes. I think this is one gorgeous bike

[@ThomasBecketts]

I am 500 miles into the run-in period on mine. I went for the option 719 variant - the Mrs said that she loves the silver and yellow and that I should get that one.. .who am I to argue... First time on a cruiser for me, although I would say that this is more a sportser cruiser if there is such a thing? it is not legs forward heavy lump cruiser, it has really nice usable power and torque and turns surprisingly well. I am very happy to have moved from bigger top heavy bikes to one that is so easy to get on with but still has so much shove when you open the throttle. Regarding multiple comments already, correct there is no fuel gauge, no its not a problem, once you hit the reserve sensor you get an icon on the dash and it starts counting upwards from zero for how many miles you have done on reserve. As you are rarely more than 10 or 15 miles away from a fuel station in the UK it really isnt a concern - if it does bother you then just set the trip at fill up like people have been doing forever.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thanks for the feedback and enjoy the new bike!

[@golfboy3]

Definitely get a long termer Andy. May try and get a test bike out. Good review as usual.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thank you!

[@andrewmanahan2469]

Hi Andy. The R850R was my favorite bike I ever had. I bought an R nine T a couple of years ago thinking it would be like it. I was dead wrong and didn’t like it at all. It was very much an ‘on top of’ bike. That looks very much like a ‘sit in’ style which looks like a possible successor. I’ll deffo try one. I really like the looks of it too. Very subjective I know.

[@JustinaHerne]

Thanks for the review! I too do not consider myself a cruiser fan…but this one interests me! Time to upgrade my speed twin & get something kinder to my aging knees 🫣!! This is a contender! Love to hear more if you get a long term loaner 😉

[@vevey75]

Never considered BMW as a retro naked bike but this one ticks all the boxes. Will have to book in a test ride one of nicest bikes I have seen in a long time.

[@tecks0039]

A longer term review sure would be appreciated! Thank you for your great reviews 👍

[@Scout4x]

1 month later, I've watched this again and I still love it! The local dealer has one that they are unboxing this weekend and hopefully I'll be able to test ride it soon!

[@PeteFromOZ]

Something about this is really appealing to me. I’d be interested in you doing a longer term review.

[@n22pdf]

The new R12s look awesome.. I had one of the first originals R9s great bike only sold as went to a GS for more touring etc.. I much prefer the styling without the air intake on the right hand side.. top job BMW :) Pete

[@7000fps]

From the US Thanks Flyer.

[@stalbansbiker]

I'm not really into retros or cruisers but you are gradually persuading me I quite like this bike as it's not too cruiser looking I think a long term test would be good but why have they fitted such a small tank 14lts !

[@michaelgreenland4682]

Today my friend pointed out to me on your video you mentioned the 'extended' gear lever, he thought it was being typical me 'fussy' (being a retired lift designer) but now he's got a second opinion from the TMF (which is also stating you have it from the guru himself). Thanks Andy for all your efforts making these bike appraisals; better buy you and the missis a coffee.

[@LeeWs1970]

I was in a holiday resort recently , the lift make was etched onto the stainless steel control panel it was 'Schindler' schindlers lift , true story

[@michaelgreenland4682]

@@LeeWs1970 Schindler 'list'

[@oldmanvlogger9259]

Nice bike, I really like the look of it. Therefore, yes, a longer-term review would be great.

[@RRRRefuelRideRace]

Rode it and I agree on the look. Rides very nicely. Will upload my first impressions videos soon. Drop by bro, you may like my content. Cheers. :)

[@gregorydonohoe5012]

Definitely do a longer-term review. That could be my next bike.

[@chrisbarr5042]

Beautiful ride ! So nice you have such great roads in the UK. I want this bike even more now!

[@davidtait7407]

Excellent review! Elephant in the room,…. Does it have fuel gauge?

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Sadly I didn't find one!

[@tedunguent156]

Well done! Great review! I had no interest in this bike until I watched this video and now ....... I think I want one. You're costing me money. LOL

[@garyhope0103]

Have to admit not a bike I thought would appeal to me, but it certainly looks very interesting. Not to sure about the front mudguard 'supports', but wouldn't stop me from buying one, if I was in the market for one. Roll bag and passport would be great additions for touring haha. Another winner Mr Flyer.

[@yorkshireperson]

Modern BMW 's do tend to strike me as having lost a bit of the soul they used to have, but this bike seems like a lovely thing 👍

[@davidupson2066]

Longer term review please, excellent quality production as usual Andy.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thank you David!

[@orlandoberry4031]

@@TheMissendenFlyer - I know I said it fell out of the ugly tree, but I too would like a long term review of this bike. I would also like to know how it affects your shoulder on longer rides etc.

[@johnrimmer5812]

Wouldn't give that one a second glance in a showroom i have to say.

[@bsimpson6204]

Or at the cafe 😬

[@AmenCornerRider]

I was never interested in a cruiser style bike but I test rode the silver one Option 719 and I loved it! So comfortable and the power was surprisingly wonderful. Please do a long term review. This girl is very interested.

[@curtchaffee]

I think BMW will sell truckloads of these. It's the Honda CB750 of the BMW lineup. If you don't try to pigeon hole it into one category or another and just enjoy the ride, it will be a great weekend fun bike.

[@ricatiman]

The moment I saw the tread pattern on the Bridgestone BT-45s I was triggered to a whole bunch of happy riding memories. The first used V-4 Honda, a 1986 VF500F that I bought had a set of worn out BT-45's on it - on the ride home I hated them, old and squared off and cupped... then I looked them up as I needed to order new tires...the internet was full of top recommendations for them so I bought my first set. And, once installed, the brand new BT-45s proved to be really a great, sporty tire for a vintage sportbike. I have had a couple of other 70's - 90's bikes since then equipped with them. I have had so many great rides on them...and always had total confidence in all conditions riding on the Bridgestones. I had a Laverda 750 with them too, and a Moto Guzzi 850 LeMans Mk II, and even an RD350LC. I have never ridden them on a big heavy bike like that BMW. How were they?

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Seemed fine thpugh I'm not really expert enough rider to notice....

[@FourIntoOne]

They are actually BT 46's (the update to the bt 45). I have them on my harley sportster (which is very heavy and they are really good - best I have had on there yet and a fairly decent upgrade from the older 45's - more grip, better corner stability and longer life .

[@paulroberson7113]

I went to the Maidenhead dealer you mentioned to look at the R12 and was informed that a salesperson would contact me back for a discussion and arrange a test drive but received no response. As this dealership has shown no interest I am now looking at a Triumph T120. I was considering the R12 for touring but at the moment there doesn’t appear to be any hard panniers option.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Fair enough!

[@tommycooker3996]

You could then look at the RNineT Pure or the R1250R roadster model

[@jonnybegood4848]

The tank is a bit on the smallish side to for touring and the mudguard will allow all sorts of debris to fly back on you and the your ride.. It sure does look to be a comfortable perch and make a peaceful sound for that consideration, however.

[@paulroberson7113]

⁠Yes the T120 has only a 14.5 litre tank but it’s a terrific bike (I have owned one before and regretted selling it). I can fit it with a touring screen and Givi make hard aluminium panniers which will fit the bill nicely.

[@Ride_XP]

“I like the way she looks and I like the way she stops and goes.” I said this exact thing after I rode this for the first time today! Outstanding thing to ride. I’m curious if there is any cruiser in this class that handles as well as I haven’t tried many.

[@State6]

Can’t stop seeing a face on the fuel cap 😅 Another great vid Andy!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@Paul-67]

I really like the styling of the R12, please do get one for a longer test Andy.

[@johnschroeder2046]

Ditto, like to see more of this bike, the engine and transmission set up looks to have the goldilocks potential.

[@dsimon9s29]

Thanks for posting. Nice looking bike. Are saddle bags an option or is it not really meant for longer trips?

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I don’t know!

[@Bannister99]

Yes found them on the BMW site

[@barneymanningtree497]

Great review. I have a 2016 BMW RNineT and it is one of the best bikes I have ever owned, but if I had my way, the RNineT would be a bit lower, with a more relaxed riding position. The R12 fits my wish exactly. Definitely on the list as the next acquisition despite the eye watering cost.

[@joaquinbaturone8588]

I am receiving my GS 1300 next month and giving back my beloved GS 1250, I own a R18 and probably also the new M-XR, I’ve had two R9t plus first and second generation of XR, but after riding last week this new R12, I have to say I don’t remember having so much fun ..! The simplicity and the totally analog driving experience was just phenomenal..! My dealer thought I was joking as he knows me quite well and couldn’t believe me till he drove it himself. My advice guys, just go and try one and smile for the rest of the day.

[@sergentcolon1]

If you really want analogue try a Royal Enfield.

[@joaquinbaturone8588]

@@sergentcolon1 Does it have a boxer (very low center of gravity) and a cardan (no chain maintenance)..? Can you brake in the middle of the curve without any kind of front reaction upwards..? What I loved about that R12 is the simplicity, the “old look” design but paired with a great modern road dynamics..of course with the limitations of a “sport” cruiser. As I mentioned, go and try one..😎

[@sergentcolon1]

@@joaquinbaturone8588 I’ve owned loads of BMW’s in the past so I’m completely aware of their ride qualities and capabilities. Don’t need to ride one. Personally these days I prefer smaller, lighter and considerably cheaper bikes. My Meteor 350 gives me as many smiles as any bike I’ve owned.

[@PhilC184]

That’s a handsome beast. I love how BMW choose to either emphasise the boxer engine or make it fade into the background.

[@kmw300]

A great bike and a great review, thank you! Yes please get it for longer and make an in depth review, see how she holds up over time, I’d love to see such a review from you! Thanks again and ride safely!

[@grahamfereday3870]

I've decided to get one. My vulcan is great, it just lacks a bit of umph. Never owned a bmw bike so it will be a new experience. Thanks for the review.

[@JLOSTAFF1]

So pleased you explained the key hole without a key - it was doing my head in! Long termer - yes please.

[@michaelandersen4745]

The key hole could be for a steering lock, perhaps! An optional.

[@JLOSTAFF1]

@@michaelandersen4745 It is. TMF said that in his video!

[@spotty_cat26]

Nice cruiser option. I had an older air/ cooled engined GS and it used to fly! Is there an option for a proper real brake light? What is it with BMW and integrated indicators/brake light?

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Not that I know of....

[@RRRRefuelRideRace]

It is very well proportioned in terms of dimensions, engine and tech. The right measure I would say. I rode it. The videos will be available soo. Great video Andy. Take care. Cheers.

[@martinguy3803]

Love the burgundy red colour, there were touches of that on my old Street Twin. If I owned this bike then my first job would be to send all of the grey bits to the powder coaters to be made black or burgundy. That's what I did with the Triumph, odd that BMW have done the same thing, for me it's the one part of the design that brings down the finish.

[@ChrisMason-q4w]

Did they find that rear mud guard in an old shed somewhere.

[@AdamC66]

How about an Indian Scout Bobber for comparison, TMF? As an old R9T rider they both appeal.

[@christyrer9530]

What puts me off the entire BMW R9/12 range is the exhaust position in that I think it’s positioned on the wrong side of the bike. When I look at a bike on its side stand I want to see the exhaust, it’s a key characteristic of any bike for me.

[@PhilipKerry]

With twin pipes I much prefer one either side as it gives the looks a better balance .

[@lucianmbv]

Well i just got the chance to test this this weekend at my local dealer and i must say i really loved it. I ride a 1250gsa but this is a really nice bike, considering it as a second bike :)

[@cozydram1]

Thanks Andy a longer review would be great ….. I like the R12 and doesn’t look ‘off’. Nice one BMW. More please Andy

[@teleosus1]

Great ride review. Isn't it amazing, how they just make the venerable boxer engine better and better? I remember some 35 years ago reading in some motorcycle magazine how the writer could not understand why the engine configuration was not retired. It's not just retro, it works and makes sense in so many ways. I'd love to have one, rode one many years ago, an R75/5..

[@ukvamp]

Please do a long term review!

[@jerryisgaming6571]

@17:45 I think the GS version of the platform has been announced a week or two ago.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Really?

[@jerryisgaming6571]

@@TheMissendenFlyer Don't know how official this is or if the name is really fixed as of now but this video claims to have information: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aHuYo4usfsp4l9E

[@colinhatt4277]

Hi Andy. Great review of the BMW R12, hopefully you can get it back for a longer period of time. I’m really interested as a BMW rider.

[@AndrewCaton-q6s]

Hi, I love the motorcycle R12 . It would be great if you could get it long-term for a more in-depth review. You never mentioned vibration ? Was that because you did not encounter it at any speed 🤔 Keep up the great work. I really love this one. Regards Andy

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

No annoying vibes no, but character yes.....

[@johnlenart597]

Like all new models, their reaching out with ideas to grab your attention and your $$. I agree, if only endless money and space I'd have it- and probably most every bike.!! ( Bike Fever). Lol. I like the retro GS idea. Great idea. The sunshine does seem to improve the "scenery". Great scenery and video. No mention of a fuel guage? My dealer has the demo ride truck this weekend. I'll know then. 👍👍5🏍🙋‍♂️

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

No - no fuel guage!

[@billcotton1551]

Thumbnail didn't do it justice. This bike is a real looker!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

It’s incredible how the looks of this Bike splitting opinion, looking at the comments here. There are people that either seem to love it or hate it - very devisive if it seems!

[@boris8787]

A great machine and a great review!! Only wish BMW would offer a bigger fuel tank (18 litres) as an optional extra for long distance riders.

[@glen2332]

A fuel gauge would be handy as well

[@tonyshearman9620]

Definitely do a longer term review please👍 I currently have an old R1150GS and love the engine, but am looking for something with similar characteristics, but without the bulk and height, and within that modern retro genre. I recall that you reviewed the Triumph Speed master, which this BMW could be likened to, and was very positive about it. I would appreciate your thoughts on comparing the two. Thanks for the great content.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Cheers Tony and request duly noted!

[@peterihoy4908]

Yep, I'd like to see a longer test of this one please.

[@OntarioAndrews415]

LOL @ the 17:53 mark: "the scenery is lovely here ..." I see what you saw there. 😄

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I don't know what you're referring too..... ;0)

[@OntarioAndrews415]

@@TheMissendenFlyer LOL

[@MrThordahl]

A beautiful old house at the corner🤭

[@RoddySpode]

Those hills are beautiful!

[@Kurlach]

No it’s grim, some guy leching over a woman out and about. Not sure how he’d feel if some guy in his 50’s did that to his daughters on a public forum.

[@OntarioAndrews415]

Thanks for posting this. I especially like when you went over that bridge. In the looks department this is a 10 out of 10. The black and gold/yellow version is a sexy looking bike. Dislikes and/or what I would like to have seen on it: 1. Liquid cooled engine 2. Fuel gauge indicator 3. Yes, BMW do something about that keyless key hole thingy. :)

[@josephstuhlreyer7972]

It is liquid cooled. Note oil cooler/radiator between forks. No fuel gauge needed. Warning light counts down dozens of miles in reserve before empty. Key is for mechanical lockset to prevent theft. Smart. 🏍

[@msims1250]

It’s an interesting bike. I am not a fan of cruisers, mainly because of the feet forward position. I also tried the Honda Rebel 1100 which has mid-controls, and I didn’t like that, either. So, the low seat height since I’m a short arse, and the positioning of the feet on this bike make it quite appealing to me. Also, I have become an unabashed BMW fanboy since acquiring a GS. I’d love to see you do a long term review of this bike.

[@garryclarke-kray4071]

I really like the styling , the rear mudguard is a bit Harley I think , it would be good if you got one for a bit longer .

[@multitrubshaw]

I’d like to learn more about this bike. Looks very interesting. I currently own a T100. I’ve never owned a BMW before but this is a tempting proposition. See if you can get a longer term loan please.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Will see what I can do....

[@stephencox1955]

Brilliant Andy, I was nearly lost lol,lovely video,you should have stopped at the Anglers for a coffee 😂

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@mariuszuk79]

Yes please definitely do the long term review Andy. For now I’m interested in off roading and longer trips abroad so wouldn’t get R12 BUT I can definitely see myself having it as my only bike when I get older 😆😁 Not usually interested in this type but I had to sit on it in green colour during motorcycle show in Excel. Just hate BMW for charging £2K more for that green

[@mick4715-j7d]

Great review as always andy, What gloves you wearing in this review ? I'm looking for gortex or similar material, not leather that are waterproof and not too thick

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

They are from Bering - check the link to Bikerheadz below the video for details....

[@mick4715-j7d]

​@TheMissendenFlyer thanks for replying, much appreciated mate I'll take a look

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Np

[@stephenpotts8170]

Hi Andy, yes I think a long termer would be good, I'm with you on preferring this bike to the R12 nine T it just looks classy, and that Victoria plum colour really does look splendid. Could be tempted, oh dear. Thank you.

[@guywolff]

Hello Andy , I am very interested in how you would find the suspention on the R12 over time and on more bumpy roads so yes please on a longer review .. I am guessing with around 40 miles to the US Gallon that the gass range is just under 150 mile to the tank .Those two are the only maybes for me ... I did hear they were working on an R Nine T GS .Cant wait to see that one :) Happy spring riding to us all .. YOur early April looks like our late April ... All the best from New England . Guy

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Sadly our late April is looking even worse!!!

[@colinbarber9324]

Hi Andy, nice looking bike. Does the bike have the combined indicator/brake/running light? 14 litres, is it enough ? What’s the mpg. Nice video as usual.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes same indicator set up M’fraid

[@kevint3845]

I wonder can you get a fuel gaube fitted, its just a bit off putting not having one. Apart from that its pretty good for a retro bike.

[@xanthe0189]

Love the look of this bike Andy.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes I like it (and it is great to ride) but I'm not sure I LOVE the look???

[@johnterry804]

Great engine! And I love that colour really nice good video 👍

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thank you very much!

[@johnterry804]

@@TheMissendenFlyer and yes long term on it would be great 👍

[@treesthatleave876]

Nice looking bike, just right for a ride through Maidenhead.

[@ilovepandas1246]

You can get a Tachometer as a factory extra. Loved the review.

[@arnohag1]

Let's know if you do get a long term lone so you can mention luggage options etc.

[@Spain-Homes]

You helped me to make the final decision, thank you!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

My pleasure!

[@mattmacpherson1033]

Mud guards are fenders right? I have a 74 R90 that is awesome

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Correct

[@anthonydunn7043]

I like the look of this and am considering it...But its gonna have to be pretty good for me to part with my 1200 Speedmaster.. similar bikes?

[@mikefrancais]

Mr. Flyer, I don’t know if you ever did a subsequent follow on review for long-term. But I’d sure be interested in that. I’m looking at the very same bike at my local Kentucky USA dealer now.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

No I didn't I;m afraid - this was just a dealer test ride....

[@josearqco]

Beautiful place Marlow, and nice bike! I'm thinking about the BMW F900R as a first bike with the A2 license; it's smooth and well done, but not quite cheap!. It's got the same key less system.

[@WDM54]

Great review of the new R12! I like it👍

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thanks! 👍

[@tonydare7614]

Any, I have a question. I've had dozens of different bikes, including 10 or so nakeds. You say that the airflow is smooth at motorway speeds. I've never really noticed a difference in wind pressure between bikes with no protection at higher speeds. I think that it depends on whether it's a windy day and in which direction it's blowing. Do you think that some naked bikes are easier to sit at motorway speeds than others?

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes you may be right - I do think though at high speeds even the way the instrument binnacles are shaped can make a difference to turbulence around the rider....

[@johnmacdonald1878]

Very nice, I like retro bikes. Would the Mrs. find the ride height works?

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I think so!

[@nigelsride]

Great review Andy, must admit I'm on the fence with this, kind of like it bit not 100% sure. It's a fair price 👌

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes I'm kind of with you on the look - rides nice though.....

[@FoxtrotOscar9]

Longer term review needed i reckon. Im after a shaft driven bike, similar category, now beamer has brought this out it has me wondering. The back end needs to grow on me, but I think thats due to really liking the RnineT looks.

[@hermitmonk52]

Great to find this vid, bright spot on a dreary morning here in North Yorkshire. It’s probably my age but this is the first BMW bike that I really like since I had my R850r in the 90s. If I were you sir, I’d be wheeling that Kwacker round to Bahnstormers now! Long term review? Yes please.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@bav114]

I’m glad you did a vid on this bike. I really like it and would consider one when I get rid of my GSA and Harley.

[@kevinmullin9956]

Good review as usual.This reminds me of the R850R which is/was a great bike.

[@samhill3496]

Good vid. Like the quick shift. The lower weight, easy handling should be handy Andy for a fellow with a bum shoulder. I'm loving my Urban GS. Full Ohlins to install. The new semi Retro GS is coming. This fall at the shows it should be. Next t ime Be safe Do long term. Take luggage off Kawa and head up north.

[@bloodknottrevelian3396]

It would be good to hear Mrs Flyer’s comments on how she found riding pillion on the machine plus a goosey, goosey at options on the luggage. So extended loan? Yes please.

[@BillReitz]

Here's something you may not like about this bike... lack of a fuel gauge ? Every other R 12 tester has mentioned this fact. How easy is it to set trip 1 to zero (or zed in the King's English) to use as a fuel watcher ? Thanks for another nice "First Ride".

[@classicraceruk1337]

That’s a good bike for the weekend cruising around and enjoying the scenery. Just the reason I started biking in the mid 60’s. You can easily peer over the hedges…….

[@seaninness334]

I do like the styling, and if you recall my repeated (irritating? I hope not, lol) comments, I'm in the same frame of mind as you with the Z900rs, the Speed Twin and R9T vying for my attention. I prefer the mid controls and not much of a cruiser fan, preferring a taller ride... usually. It's an intriguing alternative. Yes, I very much would like to see you get a longer run with this bike and share your thoughts. The R12 looks more capable of doing local 2-up riding. I wonder if Carol has taken a peek at it, throw a leg over it and formed any thoughts on riding pillion on it.

[@user-cw1lg2hv7r]

Hi Missendenflyer. Great (brief) review. Would be interested in a more in-depth review. I Ordered one in Feb, 2024, maybe arrive the end of May, 24. How does this compare with your Triumph Speed Twin? It was in the running, but lack of options steered me to the R12. If BMW can provide the wind screen, your opinion on higher speed air-flow would be the last box to check. Always a pleasure. Regards R.N.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Well I prefer the looks of the Speed Twin but the BMW is arguably a nicer ride….

[@gradocchio]

I'm in, not sure about the added €700 for the red paint, but for under €17k with nice options it's perfect for me..

[@MV-XD2]

It looks like an attractive bike and the low seat height is a bonus as many BMWs have quite lofty seats. It does look like they’ve made an effort to improve the fit and finish and the engine sounds like it’s had some modernisation. The elephant in the room is the price. As a “cut down” version of the R12 Nine T the bike on show here is £14,504. The full R 12 Nine T can easily end up over £17K. When a full fat speed twin 1200 is around £12K it starts to look expensive, and going the other way if you really wanted a Harley you’d buy a Harley. It’s odd BMW chose to produce a cruiser type bike as they aren’t that good at cruisers - the R18 is a sales flop and is being heavily discounted and you’d have thought they would have learned their lesson after the R1200C (which is actually quite a nice bike, but it doesn’t look it!) Great review as always TMF.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thanks and yes all good points - I'm glad bikes like the big R18 exist (though it's not for me personally) but it does make you wonder what market research BMW is doing into what bikes customers actually want.....

[@scottie55]

Totally agree with you about a GS with that engine and with a bit less tech than the latest models. Should be a lot more affordable too.

[@troymckay7788]

It is a very handsome machine - it had me at hello Mr Flyer

[@a13bkd62]

Great review. For me, the bike is a hit although the rear mudguard seems a bit big to my way of thinking. I do like shaft drive over a chain and heated grips with this country's rotten weather in mind are a must of course. Cheers