2024 Tacoma Is Kinda Disappointing Actually

2024 Tacoma Is Kinda Disappointing Actually
I love the Toyota Tacoma. But the new 2024 i feel is not heading in the right direction. Here is why!
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[@MChronicler]

3rd Gen will age like fine wine

[@SamkoWorkShop]

It will for sure. Unfortunately for me I put on too many miles to let them age. Wish I could own a truck for more that 3 or 4 years

[@christopherwaits7852]

It’s already aging like cheese lmao

[@hdfxst1521]

@@christopherwaits7852 well it could age like milk! “Colorado”

[@Turbo442]

Your right who would want 465 ft/lb of torque anyway?

[@Vec135]

@@Turbo442yeah just a bunch of old heads that can’t take change 😂

[@tholbrook422]

Agreed with you. If I was to get a turbo truck, I would get one with a lifetime powertrain warranty.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Not a bad idea! Unfortunately the i4 turbo is basically are only options among all mid size trucks now. The days of high mile naturally aspirated v6s are gone. So it's kind of a "is what it is" deal now.

[@jeanclaude7018]

​@@SamkoWorkShopWait! Is the Frontier V6 gone now too?

[@SamkoWorkShop]

@@jeanclaude7018 frontier v6 is still here and now here to stay. It was assumed the v6 would be replaced with the refresh, but now we know the v6 stays.

[@jeanclaude7018]

@@SamkoWorkShop Good. Any word out there on why Nissan can pull it off, while the others gave up?

[@SamkoWorkShop]

@jeanclaude7018 I believe it has to do with the amount of frontiers sold vs the rest of the vehicles nissan sells. But I may be wrong. All these epa rules and emission credits and crap is hard to understand.

[@stevedemarest276]

I think everybody was pretty much expecting a scaled down Tundra, and that's what we got. Better looking than the Tundra. Agree with the premise of the vid - I'm totally sticking with my 22 TRD Offroard.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Yep I believe the 22 or 23 tacoma is a much better truck in almost every way over the new one.

[@chrisx5127]

@@SamkoWorkShop Well at least the Gen 3 will be cheap later on this year. That is my goal. I never own a truck in my life and always have been a truck guy.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

@chrisx5127 the gen 3 taco is one of the last 300k mile trucks that will be made. Awesome truck

[@chrisx5127]

@@SamkoWorkShop Is there any differences between the 2016 and 2023 in terms of features?

[@SamkoWorkShop]

@chrisx5127 yes. Power height adjustable seat in 21 and newer. 21 and newer also has the corrosion protected frame. And I believe the radio is different

[@waynecookson7054]

I always wanted a Tacoma, butI will not buy a 2024, only a 2023 or under, I want the reliability, and the longgevity

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Agree. The 2023 will be the last 300k mile trouble free tacoma made.

[@BlueScoutArmory]

I just picked up a ‘21 TRD Pro with 8.1k miles in Lunar Rock. This video makes me not regret my purchase

[@SamkoWorkShop]

You got one of the last ever made best trucks there I'd. The 3rd gen tacoma 2016-2023 is the end of mid size truck longevity. 2024 is a major turning point where all new trucks are made to be 5-7 year disposable .

[@carlmueller9701]

@@SamkoWorkShop What about the current gen NIssan Frontier. Very tried and true VQ engine platform that's been around since 2020 models, hydraulic steering, fully boxed frame borroed from Titan...only thing that's really TBD is the transmission but its been decently reliable for Mercedes.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

@carlmueller9701 frontier is amazing. Have a few videos on it. Love it

[@iamoutofideas13]

Another fail is that Toyota's widening the stance on the TH and Pro by 3" to compete with the ZR2 and Raptor is is a sham. They just increased the backspacing on the rims and threw on bigger fender flares. The control arms are the same length. That is the worst fail to me because it feels like a greasy marketing trick to play on your customers.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Agree 100% I talked about that in the video I published a week after this called 5 more tacoma bummers.

[@tholbrook422]

Won't tow as much neither.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

@tholbrook422 true but atleast now they offer a brake controller from Toyota as an option. So that is a good thing.

[@mariagiordano3902]

you exceeded my expectations in trashing the new Tacoma , I felt it was not good to me at a glance but you pointed out all the bad

[@SamkoWorkShop]

That's my job. To help inform with 100% honesty. Glad you enjoyed it

[@chrisx5127]

@@SamkoWorkShop I want to get the Electric Lime TRD Off-Road 6MT 4X4 at 5K under msrp when the new gen Tacoma comes out.

[@Tobstertacoma]

All the BIG name channels that talk Tacomas are scared to say what he just said! They "might" list off one bad thing BUT that is it. They are scared they will run there base off and piss Toyota off as well. I have a 2023 Tacoma electric lime "manual" and i will keep it till i die since it has the V6!!

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Congrats on such an amazing truck. That combo is like finding a unicorn!

[@davidstinson1458]

It’s not about gas mileage now…. it’s about emissions… keep that in mind…

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Very true. Government trying to make stuff better.

[@jeremyskaggs9707]

😂

[@chrisx5127]

@@SamkoWorkShop Pisses me off. Give me the same engine in the Hilux. Diesel power! 35 MPG! I thought America was the greatest country in the world??????

[@chrisx5127]

@@SamkoWorkShop You know if we got the Diesel engine, I could have convinced my dad to let me buy the 2016 Tacoma. I would already be in a Hilux for the last decade and a half if I live anywhere outside of the U.S and Canada. Ugh. I'm in my mid 30's and still never own a truck! F the U.S government!

[@FrankLinares]

Great video !! Holding on to my 2022 Tacoma SR5 crew cab V6. Thank you for the review !!!

[@SamkoWorkShop]

That truck will last forever

[@FranciscoPerez-dr1kk]

I was undecided for the 2023 or wait for the 2024 but watching so many videos and from my previous experience with other brands I decided to go with the Tacoma 2023 I will wait at least 3 or four years to get another one but sincerely I will keep my 2023 for my son when he start going to college.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

You could not of picked a better truck to do that with. The only truck made today that will run 20 years and 300k miles is a 23 tacoma.

[@nokianx400]

Excellent choice and plan !

[@HildegardActual]

I'll never let my '21 V6 Sport 4x4 go now. I was thinking if the '24 would have had a V6, I'd upgrade and get the 6 foot bed this time, but now? Shit I'll live without it over losing 2 cylinders getting something less reliable.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Can understand that. Atleast give the new tacoma a few years to get sorted and prove itself with kinks worked out.

[@josephkane4364]

My 2019 is nothing, but problems. Too much unscheduled maintenance and replacements. Left me stranded twice requiring tow. At 4.5 years and 36K miles, it’s out of warranty. I don’t trust it. First Toyota and not impressed. Can’t wait to dump it. Last 3G Tacoma I’ll ever own. Can’t wait for someone to overpay for it. If I wanted this many problems, I would have purchased something less boring and mundane. I’ll check out the 4G as well as the competition.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Sorry to hear you're having problems with yours. Sounds like you got a lemon truck. Most I've seen and the one I own have been flawless. But good news is there are alot of amazing new trucks out or coming out now.

[@That-Guy-79]

Just picked up a 2023 trd pro. Im glad I did.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

The 23 is such a fantastic truck! You are gonna love it

[@2008lawnboy]

Having seen the introduction of the 2024’s I just ordered a new 2023 Tacoma TRD OffRoad 5’bed . Reliability, Dependability is what is important to me. I live in Canada and delivery is 5-6 months !

[@SamkoWorkShop]

You will love the 23. It's the same as my 22 and it's flawless

[@chrisx5127]

@@SamkoWorkShop But yours was made in the U.S.

[@marysvilleguy]

Just last week I purchased a 2023, Trd off-road 4 x 4, double cab long bed. It’s sitting in my driveway with less than 500 miles on it. I’m 66 years old and it may just be my last truck ever. They discounted the truck and was about $41,000 out the door. Reliability, Tacoma reliability is everything! Did I do good? Thank you for validating my Christmas present🎄

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Sounds to me like you got one of the best deals I've heard of on a 23 trd off road! Well done. And it's the last ever made truck that can say it has true toyota quality and reliability. All that changes with the 2024. Your 2023 will last 25 years and 500k miles.

[@bradhelfrich6602]

I love your no nonsense honesty! You are spot on about this truck. I appreciate you doing this video, Peoole need to know the truth before paying 55k for a truck. A Toyota salesperson sure wouldn't tell you! Thank you 😊

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@randyihle4652]

Agree with you 100%. I have a Tacoma 2008 TRD offroad. 4.0 V6 257k original owner. Keeping mine for a while. Refurbishing truck from bumper to bumper. Looking for a Jeep Rubicon or Mohave 2020 2020, low milage 40k. Jeeps have room in back seat for adults. Toyota have having random trucks with turbo problems in Tundra. Toyota has let me down

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Yeah tundra is plagued with issues. Hope they get them worked out soon and hope the tacoma has a better launch than the tundra did

[@derekward2266]

All great points and information! Why I purchased a ‘23 Tacoma TRD off road premium!

[@SamkoWorkShop]

the 23 taco is probably the last ever bomb proof truck that will ever be made! you are gonna love it.

[@VictoriaWargaming]

Have a 2024 Tacoma on Pre-order. My 2004 Rav4 has been troublefree for 19 years and still runs like a dream. Will probably keep it rather than trade it in.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

I bet you will love the new tacoma. It has many upgrades and the new cabinets layout and space looks amazing. I have not ruled it out yet either. But some of thier stuff pisses me off for offloading. But love toyotas!

[@wyckedsyndicate]

Where did you pre order the site just allows the email list

[@Js17272]

Bro he didn’t even mention that towing and hauling actually went down like wtf is the point so glad I got my 22

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Love the 22! The current gen tacoma will go down in history as the last ever made toyota truck with quality reliability and resale in my opinion

[@paininthepatoot]

thanks for the assistance. Actually decided to stay with the 2023 rather then waiting for the 2024.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

I think that is a smart decision. Never want to buy a first year anything anyway.

[@michaelprince77]

Buy the sr5 tacoma and add lockers. Use them whenever you want without having to be in 4 low. And save thousands. Thank you for saying what everyone was afraid to critique on this new platform.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

That's always a great option as well. Glad you enjoyed it

[@dondearman4803]

It will cost a lot of money to add lockers

[@gregandbethpawluk2316]

Bought a ‘22 Gladiator Rubi. Love to see you compare new gladiator to the zr2, from your perspective.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Did a review on the 22 gladiator rubicon on my other channel last year. Channel is called traditional bowhunting and wilderness podcast. Love the gladiator!!!

[@rile_up]

I find myself going back in time. Had a 2012 Tacoma with 110k miles but sold it to get a 2003 V8 4runner now with 300k miles. I really see no appeal to get anything new anymore.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Yep and those are both amazing vehicles that would run for half a million miles. 10 years from now there will be nothing used that can say that because of all this turbo hybrid garbage

[@adamfrank9456]

100% correct on the natural aspirated engines are more reliable than turbos. But unfortunately EPA standards from the government are making stricter emission standards. It’s not just Toyota but all manufacturers will be affected. That being said I think Toyota would be the most reliable out of the competitors. TRD Pro Tundra only comes in IForceMax. I bet the new 4Runner Pro when ever it comes out will be the same only offered in IForceMAx.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Yep the mandatory iforce max on the pros is a major disappointment. And your probably right toyta will end up being the most reliable eventually. But they sure did drop the ball and even hid stuff. Like calling the pro and th wide stance. The raptor and the zr2 is true wide stance with longer a arms to allow for more suspension travel and articulation. Toyota wide stance is just wheel off set and no suspension gain. Plus all the other stuff I mentioned really makes it disappointment for me personally.

[@chrisx5127]

@@SamkoWorkShop Blame Biden

[@danejohnson8430]

I just got my new Gen-3. Thank you for this report.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Congrats on the last of the 500k mile trucks that will ever be made. The gen 3 is outstanding and the value is gonna skyrocket with the 10k ridiculous increase on the same model gen 4. Your gen 3 is one of the best trucks ever made.

[@shnerp]

Just picked up a 2023 taco trail edition. No regrets, this truck is amazing!

[@SamkoWorkShop]

The trsil edition is excellent. Everything you need off road and nothing you don't. And the color combo for that edition is beautiful.

[@shnerp]

@@SamkoWorkShop same color as yours! Magnetic grey. 😃

[@SamkoWorkShop]

@@shnerp you will love it

[@Golflover69]

Dose it have crawl control?

[@chrisx5127]

@@SamkoWorkShop I wish I could see in the future.

[@Jojo-ni2cg]

your right ,it will be interesting how it compares to the new Canyon. I believe because the Canyon has no battery it will be more dependable

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Very well could be. To be honest I have not been happy with gm products in many years. But the new colorado/canyon and the fact that the motor has been tested in the Silverado last few years and the bugs worked out if it make the canyon/colorado very interesting to me.

[@condios3312]

I have a 2019 Tacoma little over 22,000miles, spent $20,000 on upgrades and I’m glad I did.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Will last you for another 300k miles too!

[@dondearman4803]

What about the electronic steering big tires your in ruts can you force it to turn

[@SamkoWorkShop]

I dont see that being a problem. Today all manufacturers have the steering systems designed to be easy and not fight ya.

[@dondearman4803]

But does it have enough power to force wheels to turn when stuck in mud and ruts.i have a 23 off road and a Silverado. The Chevrolet gets stuck and you turn the steering wheel it will turn but the wheels don't

[@SamkoWorkShop]

@dondearman4803 not sure on the new tacoma. But my 2022 had no problem turning when stuck in the mud. But I guess there is different thicknesses of mud etc. So I honestly can not answer that 100%

[@dondearman4803]

@@SamkoWorkShop the 24 has electric steering 22 doesn’t electric steering the steering wheel is not connected to the wheels you turn the steering wheel a electric motor turns the wheels

[@dondearman4803]

@@SamkoWorkShop I think you need to investigate how electric steering works

[@nokianx400]

Just like the new Tundra for gas mileage, Scotty Kilmer was laughing when he heard people complaining it was worse with gas mileage when they started towing 😂😂😂

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Yep sad times for toyota. But love Scotty! Never a dull moment with him. He hates every vehicle😂😂

[@appleztooranges]

Would you keep my 2001 Tacoma or buy a 2024 hybrid Tacoma? My 2001 has 104,500 miles, 4 cylinder, 2.7 liter, and works fine. Still mint and single cab

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Personally I'd keep the 01 for a year or 2 or 3. That truck is barely broken in! The tacoma 4 cylinder is probably the most reliable motor ever made in history. Is give the new tacoma a year or 2 to work the bugs out before buying one. But again just my opinion.

[@appleztooranges]

@@SamkoWorkShop thank you! I had my front differential steering go recently. Local shop fixed it. Rare brakes went. Standard oil changed and new Yokohama tires geolander put on it. I do love this truck but don’t like single cab!

[@kennethhudgins1369]

I put down a reservation for a 23 tacoma trd off-road, will be here in about a month once I trade in the ford maverick hybrid. Hoping that "the last of the v6's" lasts me the next 10 years.

[@KParks]

They’ve really got that model dialed in at this point shouldn’t have a problem.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

I fully believe the 23 will run for 300 plus miles minimum with normal maintenance. No truck made after 23 will be able to claim that

[@evancontos2267]

Didn’t like the Maverick?

[@kennethhudgins1369]

@evancontos2267 I loved it. But I realized that within the next year or two, I was going to need more than the Mavericks 2000lb towing capacity. I feel kind of vindicated because a week after I traded it in for the tacoma, I got a recall notice from Ford saying the engine could just stop working because of some fuel vapor issue, lol.

[@appleztooranges]

Think it’s possible to find a 2022 Tacoma with no miles brand new? In army green??

[@SamkoWorkShop]

A 23 possibly. A 22 most likely no. Best way to do that is go to toyota and build one in army green then click view local inventory and start searching by zip codes and distances.

[@appleztooranges]

@@SamkoWorkShop I guess they stopped making army green in 2022. Shame! Now they have this ugly lime green. Guess they lost a customer

[@SamkoWorkShop]

I didn't realize they dropped green. That sucks.

[@liveoak7838]

I don't agree. The current (3rd gen)Tacoma is the worst pickup we've gotten since they put the 3.0 in some trucks. The 3.5 is a car motor Toyota threw in there when they should have kept the 4.0 like the 4Runner and previous Tacoma. The poor transmission can't figure out what to do with the output of the 3.5. The seating position sucks compared to any Toyota pickup before it. I would rather have this new Tacoma all day long but the problem now is Toyota and their dealers are screwing people over with inventory levels and markups. This new Tacoma won't be worth what you'll end up having to pay. Get a first gen Tundra with a 4.7 V8 if you want a good truck that's the same size as a current Tacoma. It came out over 20 years ago and is a better truck than the 3rd gen Tacoma in every way. Hell, the T-100 with the 3.4 is better. I like Toyota pickups but there are way too many 3rd gen Tacoma fanboys out there that probably have no idea how good Toyota trucks used to be.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

The previous tundra have always been amazing trucks. Just wish they had a rear locker option so they were capable off road. I love the 3rd gen tacoma. Did I mention I loved it. Nothing about the new tacoma impresses me. But I bet many will love it. Hopefully it launches better than the last 2 years of the tundra has.

[@krpotter57]

Be sure to tell your viewers not to go to 10,000 miles on an oil change like Toyota says is okay. ! 5,000 Max.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

100% correct and great point. Always change oil in ever gas vehicle at 5k. Diesel can go 15k but gas needs every 5.

[@valdius85]

That battery might make sense if they allow to use it in a same way people use their remote batteries. But I doubt it, since it’s complicated to allow so much modularity.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Yep I'm not fan of the hybrid. I don't want the battery, the weight, or all the extra parts. More to go wrong and go wrong faster.

[@markfaria1684]

I agree with everything you're saying about toyota. They are taking a step backwards in the wrong direction. They are losing alot of the legendary qualities that have always put toyota above the rest. If you remember back in the mid 1980's toyota offered a 4 cyl turbo in their pickups for a couple of years. I had a few friends that had them and they ran great until around 120000 miles and then the turbos all failed with replacements costing in the thousands for repair. That's why toyota discontinued the turbo units and kept the naturally aspirated 4 and 6 cyl. Yes all companies have made improvements to turbo systems but a turbo motor will never be as dependable as a naturally aspirated motor and I don't want to depend on a turbo for a daily driver. As far as the ford vs chevy goes I would spend a little more to get the ford as I've had better reliability with ford over chevy.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

agree 100% Its funny if you research turbo reliability every single statement is " A turbo motor can last a long time if well maintained" Im assuming maintained includes replacing turbos..lol. I have owned 6 chevys, 5 jeep/rams, 3 toyotas and 15 fords. The fords always gave me the most trouble of all of them. mostly little stuff and never left me stranded. but lots of trips to dealer with the fords. Never had to bring a chevy to a dealer for anything in my life and only 1 toyota (my 22 tacoma) has had to go into the shop 3 times already. Funny how all that stuff plays out. I would not hesitate to buy any of them and now toyota is no longer above but now right in the mix with all the others.

[@CelticSemperTyrannis]

So glad I got a 23 4runner

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Yep once they redo the 4 runner to the new style it will all be down hill. The 23 will be iconic and live on as the last quality, reliable, but tough suv.

[@phillipjohnson5053]

Looks like Jeep may get a few trade ins next year. I was excited to see what Toyota came out with and comparatively, it’s a little lacking from all the research I’ve done as well. Jeep hasn’t really done anything super exciting, but availability and reliability and cost for options won me over with the Gladiator and they are supposedly giving better tire size and gear options from the factory in ‘24. The only true competitor in my mind and for me now is the GMC Canyon AT4X and that is pushing the 4 cyl turbo fascination as well and at 40-50k miles a year there’s no time for complex problems to arise.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

You did very well with your gladiator. Such an amazing truck

[@phillipjohnson5053]

@@SamkoWorkShop of all the vehicles I’ve owned (and that’s a lot), it’s been my favorite!

[@SamkoWorkShop]

@@phillipjohnson5053 with good reason. It's amazing

[@honda116969]

Agreed 💯% I'm not into🔋 bullshit or turbo for that matter! I've owned 3 newer turbo vehicles I'm not a fan The turbo gets heat soaked after a couple runs because I live in Phoenix and it just can't cool off plus the reliability I have the 3.5 V-6 in my Tacoma I'm extremely happy.. & OTT tune helped drivability 10 fold 18+hp & 24+tq for $450 best 💰 I've spent on the truck!

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Yep I much prefer naturally aspirated simple v6 motors too.

[@Nitehawkin]

I’m going with the 2023 trd pro if I can find one for msrp. My only concern is the head room. I don’t know if the Tacoma changed since 2017 but I was hitting the ceiling. I’m 6’1”

[@SamkoWorkShop]

The seats in the 21 and newer raise up and lower down. So you should be OK. But I'd sit in one first to make sure

[@Nitehawkin]

@@SamkoWorkShop nice thanks

[@RN-fx3zl]

It’s still kind of cramped Toyota as a whole is not a tall guy friendly brand

[@georgevourazeris8044]

I got a 2023 v6

[@SamkoWorkShop]

@@georgevourazeris8044 amazing truck

[@evancontos2267]

Great down to earth comparison, BTW, for hot areas like CA, the Ranger still doesn't have ventilated seats, going to check out the GM offerings, thx!!! Although the new TRD Pro would be a very cool looking street machine in black 😎

[@SamkoWorkShop]

The new tscoma has many great features and upgrades over the old one. It's lacking more in the off road areas. But for 90% of people is a big upgrade and what the customers have been asking for.

[@ErikFabian]

Got the Toyota of whiteboard markers right there.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

hahaha. Love my white board!

[@latindoggy8059]

It’s clear that you have never had experience with any Toyota hybrid. I am glad they are adding the hybrid system because they are bulletproof had a Toyota Camry hybrid, and eight years it already had 200,000 miles never gave an issue I owned a Prius from 2006. It lasted 489,000 miles with the original battery. To be fair hybrid, system, and battery break when they’re not used like any battery but you say you’re a high mileage drive you’ll be fine. After owning five different Toyota hybrid‘s I would never all regular gas in Toyota again, but in all fairness, I’m still a little scared, and concerned about the turbo😂

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Glad you like them. Cause we no longer have a choice. They are forcing us to get it now

[@chrisx5127]

@@SamkoWorkShop Hybrid is fantastic (assuming mpg improves)...turbo though

[@paulblack5883]

Time will tell how this truck pans out in terms of popularity and sales figures.. Making money is the name of the game for Automotive Corporations.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Very true. And I'm sure they get a tremendous amount of input and feedback to help them make the smartest decisions. Unfortunately those decisions are not lining up with my needs like the other manufacturers Re doing.

[@charleshardin7270]

Very very disappointed in the V-6 being gone. I do not want a 4 cylinder turbo or not!!!

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Sure is sad. Especially now that we know the baby turbo motor only gets 1 mpg better and gives up all the durability, longevity and reliability.

[@goforbroke2]

The reliability is gone? You can’t make that judgement call it’s way too early. Wait until people put 100K-200K miles on them with minimal maintenance. I would not compare a Ford turbo engine to a Toyota turbo engine lol. That said…..I wouldn’t touch this new platform until year 2 or 3, it’s DEFINITELY going to have issues every new re-designed vehicle does.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

No turbo 4 cylinder will ever be as reliable, or last as long as a naturally aspirated v6. And 100-200k is just getting broke in for many people today. I put 100k miles on in 2 years! Yet I have to pay for it for 5. It's a major bummer for us high mile drivers to loose the Toyota naturally aspirated 3.5 and 4.0 v6s. Sad times in my opinion and for my driving. Agree I would not buy a first year vehicle ever. Let others do it and get the bugs worked out.

[@goforbroke2]

@@SamkoWorkShop The V6 Tacoma’s will usually go 300k-350k with optimal maintenance. I own a second gen TXPro 6 speed so I’m pretty familiar with Tacos. While I do agree with you that a NA motor will last longer then a turbo motor, it’s too early to call these motors unreliable.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

@goforbroke2 I didn't call this motor unreliable. I called al i4 turbos less reliable that a na v6. Thats just a fact. No 2 ways around it. Bit I do believe the toyota turbo will be better than the other brands turbos eventually when all bugs are worked out. But the days of 300k tacomas are over.

[@alexsmba]

@@SamkoWorkShop I don’t believe it. If you treat it right and do all the preventative maintenance, it will be fine. It’s not like it’s going to be 15psi boost all the time.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

@alexstelling8448 guess we will have to wait and see. Because we have no other choice now.

[@IsomKelly777]

What about the frontier?

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Frontier is amazing. I have a review on it and another one coming out soon. Love the frontier

[@jessecales7170]

I think Nissan is the only naturally aspirated now.Ive always been a Toyota fan but they dropped the ball big time.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Agree. The days where a truck would last 300k miles is now gone with all these baby turbos. And the manufacturers and government want it that way. They want us to have to buy a new truck as soon as the old one is paid off😂

[@jeremiahvazquez15]

@@SamkoWorkShop so what about all those Turbos Toyota has been using for decades on their overseas products like the hilux and Land Cruisers. They’ve been using turbos for a long time now and still show to last a long time and be reliable. It’s a global platform so they’ve been using it for years now. Turbos are not new for them. Especially with the very first Toyota Tacomas.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

@jeremiahvazquez15 but a turbo i4 will not last as long or be as trouble free as a naturally aspirated v6. Plain and simple. And if I'm not mistaken (read once somewhere but can't remember) the epa restrictions in the US are so much more strict that other country's. And the turbo is part of life as all truck manufacturers are going that way. But the rest of the stuff I mention in the video is the really kicker.

[@BayouToad]

Hey Jason, I get it and get what you are saying. If I look back the most miles I've ever put on one vehicle has been about 75,000 miles. So personally I don't care about whether this is a 150k mile, 250k mile, 400k mile truck. I need 100k miles and truthfully I won't have it that long. You said it in this video, you are getting rid of your 22 in two years. How many miles did you have on your Ram 2500? Jeep Cherokee? 4.0 Tacoma?

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Pre covid when vehicles were more available and dealer lots were jammed I bought a new truck every year or 18 months because I could make a profit on them. Yes, even on a new one. I bought that ram for 52,500 (sticker 67,500) and I put 79k miles on it and sold it for 52,000. Same with my f150s, cherokee, renegade, etc. Always made money on my vehicles. Since the chip shortage etc those deals are not available. So I plan to keep them longer. Thats why I bought the tacoma. But I plan to get a new truck before 200k miles. Probably around 150k miles. I'm semi retried now and make 1/5th the money I did when I was in michigan so I need to be smart about vehicles.

[@americandude3825]

All 99% of Tacoma drivers really just need a Honda Ridgeline anyways. It is what it is. Voting blue puts strict epa regs on manufacturers. People still do it. I’m a die hard Toyota guy. I owned every sequoia. Not this new one tho. Not the new tundra either. Trash. Never owned a Tacoma. Too small. Not worth the price. I bought a 2022 limited 4Runner. Took it back the next morning because it wasn’t worth the msrp after I thought about it over night. It was amazing tho for the few hours haha. I’ve also owned a newer v6 Camry, Corolla, and 2022 sienna, and own currently a 2022 rav4 XSE hybrid AWD and 2022 rav4 XLE AWD gas model. If I had to buy a truck today it would be a second gen tundra or newer Titan.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Those are all very nice vehicles

[@chrisx5127]

I voted red. Got screw regardless.

[@protectork9831]

Which toyota or lecus vehicle has front lockers

[@SamkoWorkShop]

None in the usa

[@protectork9831]

@@SamkoWorkShop not even the lx570 ?

[@SamkoWorkShop]

@protectork9831 not sure. That vehicle is well out of my price range

[@makatron]

How do you know reliability and resell vakue are gone when the product isn't out yet? It's an engine that's been used in other Toyota products worldwide. They've been doing hybrid powertrains for over 2 decades now and they sure know how to do it. Lack of front lockers is sure disappointing. The 3.5L V6 was ancient and due to an upgrade. I'm sure you don't want any of it, got it from the video. But everything is based on assumptions if a product that will come out spring 2024.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

No denying a i4 turbo will never be as reliable or handle as many miles as a naturally aspirated v6. Thats proven in every car manufacturer. Toyotas resell value is base on its long standing vehicle longevity. With the new motor it will be 7 or 8 years before that longevity is proven in a truck platform that has to tow, off road, haul gear etc. Will Toyota probably be the most reliable eventually once the bugs are worked out, yes. Most likely. But for 20 years we have had 300k mile tacomas. 4 runners and tundras. Those days are gone in my opinion. And since now Toyota is the same as Ford and chevy with a baby turbo motor and the loss of that longevity putting Toyota on equal ground as the others. Ford and chevy offer much more truck with way more capabilities for more reasonable prices. And none of the Toyota quirks like horrible paint, rusting frames, super finicky 4x4 engagement, horrible locker engagement, locker only available in 4 low, etc. Is the bew tacoma beautiful, sure is. Will it sell well sure will. Is it the best option for me knowing what I know about trucks, definitely not.

[@gdvibes1]

Makes me respect my 22

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Agree. The zr2 is a thing of beauty

[@apa7611]

I bit it will 10,000 more then the 2023 trd pro price. It’s nice looking but I like the looks of that Ranger raptor looks bad ass

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Yep price is up and features all competition now has are missing. And it will probably be 6 or 8 years before toyota does and next gen and possibly adding those features. Thats pretty bad in my opinion and a shame. My 22 tacoma is amazing in 22. But in 24 the raptor and the zr2 will destroy a tacoma for what I want a truck to do.

[@apa7611]

@@SamkoWorkShop I hear that! I’m not trading in my 2022 trd off-road for the new 2024 one. I dig your videos

[@nokianx400]

3rd Gen FTW !!! 🎉🎉🎉

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Agree 100%

[@latindoggy8059]

Also all the companies that have the front and rear locker are constantly broken. My friend owns a rubicon as a mall crawler broke the trans and transfer case less than 50k miles my friend a mechanic has a ranger and the turbo and timing chain needed service at 70,000 and we all know that most chevys are lemons so F out of here comparing any of those trucks to a Tacoma. Also the Lexus cars and suvs have ran the 4 and 6 turbo they make it 300k no problem as well as every other turbo model Toyota produces globally. My parents are from El Salvador and they still run old and new pick ups with no lockers and they have worse dirt roads even cross rivers daily still trucking never compare to an American car again

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Guess we will have to disagree. I could kist a dozen reasons why. But seems pointless. So we will just disagree

[@mariagiordano3902]

I ordered a Canyon almost 11 months ago on a pre order AT4X , they are expensive yes but in comparison to the full size a fully loaded silverado can get in the 90's and is only 300-500 pounds heavier , the value is in the midsize even at these inflated prices , unless you need the extra bed and towing or V8 its not worth it

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Love the canyon at4x! And the Colorado zr2. Agree the midsized is where my money would go

[@jfawls]

As far as the reliability, truth is nobody knows yet. A few hybrud Tundras have 40k miles, saw one with 70k. Too early to tell. The electrical side of a hybrid is usually the most maintanence free and straightforward part of the vehicle. 12 years later you need a new battery, that's about it. The turbos, we'll see. My wife has a hybrid and the EV side takes away idling strains, and supplements gaps in power. Show me another way to get 465 lb-ft of torque and ~27 mpgs. Losing an inch of clearance hurts but I'll live

[@SamkoWorkShop]

It has a lot of improvements that people will love. The mandatory hybrid on pro and th really rbs me the way. Key word being mandatory there. And the off road capabilities of the new one will still be more than 90% of people need. For me it's a step in the wrong direction for what I need a truck to do. But most will love the new one. Just the hard-core off roader toyota guys that get the shaft here.

[@diavolo0]

Great one 👍

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@simpleman8208]

Your absolutely right.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

It's gonna be a great truck for many people and many improvements. Just wish they took the offroad stuff further in the better direction rather than going backwards

[@advapp]

What I like about the Tacoma is the exterior looks and the interior they did a great job with it GM should take note. What I don't like is availability where is it? I got a fully built Jeep and I'm thinking about selling it so I can buy one of these because I'm kind of past modding and upgrading I just want to have a factory vehicle and drive straight from the factory just like it is I don't need a front locker. If Toyota can keep the price of the TRD pro to around 60K I might buy one.... Not only are they doing this to try to get better gas mileage but mostly it's because of cost it's cheaper to have the same engine in multiple models .

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Sounds like the new taxoma is right up your alley! I bet you are gonna love it!

[@advapp]

@@SamkoWorkShop well I don't know if I'm going to love it because I was buying it to get high mileage and like you said you know turbochargers well who knows

[@SamkoWorkShop]

@advapp I would never buy a first year vehicle. Been there and got screwed and every first year has bugs. Sometimes major sometimes minor but always has bugs. I do believe 5 years from now toyota will have the longest lasting highest quality turbo motor in a truck. I do believe toyota will remain king in reliability eventually. Just wish they got on board with what an off road vehicle today should have rather than going backwards is all off road categories.

[@advapp]

@@SamkoWorkShop if you think about it it is a Toyota and they've had that engine around for a little bit it's not new it's just new to the Tacoma. But I do agree with you on the turbo and I really believe that Toyota's probably going to go away from making vehicles a last 300,000 mi They can make one that lasts for 200,000 miles on par with other companies and you'll upgrade sooner just like owning an iPhone. 👍

[@SamkoWorkShop]

@@advapp agree.

[@nokianx400]

Toyota should have stayed with at least the FKS engine, and an "option" for thr hybrid. That way, us traditional folks will buy what we want, and the green new deal guys will also buy what they want. Win-win for everybody, but then corporations like to screw the majority so as not to upset the minority.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Yep agree. But with the motors I believe it's the government forcing the push to baby turbos thru regulations and fines to manufactures

[@sawyerheslep8493]

The 3rd gen is still peak! I absolutely agree with u. The only thing id be interested in is the new trd pro seats with active suspension. Did u see that they offer independent rear suspension for some models? Bruh no, u take that away its not a truck its a ridgeline... a ridgeline is not truck gang! Can u make a vid about whats truck gang and whats not

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Those new seats are pretty sweat

[@sawyerheslep8493]

@SamkoWorkShop honestly just might buy the seats and put em in the 3rd gen

[@SamkoWorkShop]

@sawyerheslep8493 that would be pretty awesome

[@sawyerheslep8493]

@@SamkoWorkShop I might just have to do that

[@SamkoWorkShop]

@@sawyerheslep8493 send pics when you do

[@garymoore8065]

And how about that Jumbotron screen that sits above and dominates the dash? That’s a dealbreaker for me. Should have been incorporated into the dash as per the 2023. What were they thinking!

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Won't be long and trucks will come with 60 inch screens at this rate🤣

[@juliorod1126]

Land cruisers are known around the world to be great reliable vehicles, and they have come with turbos. I don’t think there is much to worry about, Toyota is king in hybrid systems. Also this new nickel metal battery’s are estimated to last longer.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Those are turbo diesels in the LC over seas. not gas. Whole different world operating at much different pressures. But I have no doubt toyota will be reliable. but it sure wont be as reliable or last as long as their naturally aspirated v6. The new tacoma will be a 150-200k truck instead of a 300-400k mile truck. Time will tell but if I was a betting man Id put all my money on that being true.

[@larrycurci5453]

Hope it's going to be like the Tundra

[@4rr44E]

There’s a reason I bought the new Frontier Pro-4X (loaded for $41K). Naturally aspirated V6 will always outlast any turbo 4. Tacos are trendy. One guys sees three out there and wants one too. I can’t explain how a truck with rear drum brakes, a clumsy transmission, and an underpowered engine has done so well other than the competition was lousy before. Nissan, GM, and Ford have stepped up their game and the midsize truck segment is much more competitive now.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

The pro4x is an amazing truck. The tacoma was also an amazing truck with renound reliability and off road capabilities. But this 2024 did not meet expectations. The under powered motor never bothered me. It's irrelevant for off road and works just fine on the road. Bit they definitely dropped the ball with the new one where as gm and Ford went in the right direction.

[@jmyers6175]

Frontier pro4x owners always think twice when they see a Tacoma... but it isn't and will never be a Tacoma.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

@@jmyers6175 drove and loved the pro4x and know a few people with them. Amazing trucks

[@4rr44E]

@@jmyers6175They don’t when they don’t fit in a Taco.

[@Vec135]

@@SamkoWorkShopNissan will never be Toyota 😂 always over looked and always will be

[@projectmaldives]

The off-road midsize segment gonna shift dramatically by time these '24 turbos & hybrid motors burn up. Toyota is going solid state battery & full electrical drive trains by 2032 (possibly earlier, esp in their car segments.) That'll produce some massive jumps in clearance and wheel control. It's coming. For now, a decked out TH with a 6' bed is what I'm preordered on. The iForce comes with an 100K mi warranty, the battery 10 years and I intend to hammer that battery by in the way of its 2400W inverter & 10% grade climbs up in the mountains. I still use trucks 75% for work, and where I offload is drier/more conducive to play it safe & winch in sketch conditions. Mudding isn't in my off-road vocabulary / I see where you're coming from in terms of the front lockers. Nothing last forever, although the last rig I bought was a 2001 Ram 4x4 Off-road trim. Engine & transmission still running excellent, everything else around the vehicle is disintegrating. I give this new Taco ~12 years max, it'll be worth a bit more on the salvage (more aluminum on these) LOL. New tech and better features coming. Gotta go with the flow and be thankful the MPG - if even incremental - is improved. About the competition on the new Tacos: thing is you're lucky to get a '24 Ranger Raptor, Gladiator or ZR2 ordered & delivered now that the UAW strike has halted big 3 production. Lot of orders will shift to Toyota, and the dealerships will be taking note of that, so yes the pricing will get jacked. The way it goes when supply & demand gets thrown out of whack, not to mention if the UAW gets their way, those mid size Ford & GM rigs are gonna be super pricey. Last note on the front recovery points: that is a gripe but 1/2 the models are getting air dams, the other half are gonna get customized later by owners with new winch bumpers anyway.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

We have different forecasts for what's coming. But none of us will know until it gets here. Personal I bet its 25 years before they stop making gas trucks. It will take 20 years for our grids to handle ev and 20nyesrs for evs to get any range in off road use. Even the ev trucks out now are worthless offroad for more than an hour. My take on it anyway. Time will tell. If the strike goes a month it will cause some issues. Those will benefit me from the situation I'm in. And if the strike stops faster it will benefit most everyone else and I'm all good with that too.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Congrats on the new trailhunter you ordered! I bet you are gonna love it and it sure does offer alot of improvements over the last gen.

[@brooklyn560]

Meh I’ll take my chances and I don’t off road. TRD Sport here I come

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Will probably be an amazing truck for you!

[@kennethbrown8778]

This video is on point

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Thanks Glad you enjoyed it

[@valdius85]

Toyota is just using their name about reliability to sell vehicles to people who do not know much about technology. There are already issues with the new 3.5l hot-V turbo. Now they offer only small turbo engine for a heavy vehicle. This turbo will need to be replaced often if the vehicle will be loaded. Please research the new AT. It might be one of these with “lifetime” transmission oil. Meaning changing oil brakes the warranty. I am not sure if it is the case in Taco, but it is in other models.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Toyota has had a soild proven record of reliability for many years. Like Honda. But I feel that other manufacturers are stepping up the game, giving us what we want, and fighting to get to that reliability toyota had. Whereas Toyota is going the opposite direction. Or maybe what I want in a truck is not the type that Toyota want to market to. Either way I'm disappointed with the new tacoma so far.

[@valdius85]

@@SamkoWorkShop I think Toyota is so popular because the competition sucks. At least in Jp, their products are lower quality than competitions but since the competition cannot make a reliable drivetrain, people buy them. I do like T as a company and I think their engines are above average in reliability, but besides that I wished they took the head out of their a… and make product that are comfortable, utilitarian and less rusty. I drive a Forester in Japan. Not perfect, but it has what I need and it was good value for money.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

@valdius85 the suburus are excellent as well with a solid track record!

[@chrisx5127]

@@SamkoWorkShop They got rid of the manual in their Outback.

[@charlesj.3588]

40K is 50K now.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

In toyotas world it is. 47k for a 2024 sr5 tacoma. I can buy a chevy colorado zr2 for that price.

[@Do-UR-Research2749]

NOT KIND OF! It is disappointing. They had the opportunity to hit it out of the park and put a hurting on the competition. No front, no longer travel, I agree with the engine choice being a failure, I agree this truck will never be as reliable as the previous generations. It's also too techy, more electrical items to break. They gained a wider stance with offset wheels, not longer control arms. It sure looks nice but extremely disappointing.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Agree 100%. And the fact that this will be toyotas flag ship off roader for the next decade makes it even sadder. It's like when the jeep cherokee went from waht it was to what it is. Or the xtrea, or the land cruiser, etc.

[@Do-UR-Research2749]

@SamkoWorkShop I currently own a 21 Taco TRD PRO and was looking into buying a 23 PRO. I wanted to own the last V6 Taco that will likely ever be made. I was offered as a trade-in $42300.00. However, the pricing on 23s are ridiculous. $53K plus market adjustments starting at $2k all the way up to $7.5k. These dealers are out of control.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

@rayhernandez2749 yep such a shame dealers are so greedy. And shady dealers are becoming the norm again. In 2019 I would say 5 out of 10 dealers were sharks. In 2023 I'd say that number had jumped to 7 or 8 out of 10.

[@Ryan-cf6lc]

Hybrid bring an amazing combination of power, economy, and reliability. Personally, as long as the ergonomics improved on the fourth GEN, I will consider it a winner.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Sounds like the new tacoma is right up your alley than. It's definitely not for me anymore

[@rubenguevara5753]

Bless you

[@noahoakley5894]

I’m seriously consider the new 2023 gmc canyon at4. It has very good ground clearance, nice AT tires on it standard, and with the base trim package it isn’t too bad price wise but still has some amazing interior features.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Yep gm has really listened to what people wanted and nailed it

[@noahoakley5894]

@@SamkoWorkShop it sure seems like it! That truck has 9.6” of ground clearance on 31.5” tires which is impressive. Along with a wider stance and solid recovery hooks it looks like it will be a real nice hunting truck!

[@SamkoWorkShop]

@noahoakley5894 and it had the g80 auto locker in the rear and it's very solid and dependable

[@chrisx5127]

What about reliability though?

[@SamkoWorkShop]

@chrisx5127 the motor has been used for 5 years in the Silverado and most of the bugs worked out in the first 3 years. It's now a great motor by today's standards

[@JohnWilliams-bt6yl]

Ya never know because ford put the 3.5 v6 turbo in there full size truck several yrs back and its very reliable as far as lasting high miles .it sure fooled me .but towing they get terrible fuel mile mileage .but iam seeing well over 200k miles and you cant hear them run .there only issue i see is the turbos wear out and there very expensive to replace

[@SamkoWorkShop]

But look at all the problems both the 3.5 turbo and the 2.7 turbo had for the first 2 years. Was very bad. I would not risk my money on a new toyota truck turbo. Especially with toyotas horrible track record with first and second year new vehicles. If you are interested in the new tscoma my advise would be give it 2 or 3 years for the bugs and kinks to be ironed out

[@awstewar]

What about the jeep gladiator?

[@SamkoWorkShop]

It's amazing! Always love the jeep gladiator. But I believe next year it's a mandatory 4xe hybrid there too. I have not personally confirmed this but was told by a jeep sales guy.

[@stevieray1828]

This engine will last longer than the rest of the truck with proper maintenance

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Time will tell

[@SamkoWorkShop]

I will not make the mistake of being the test subject to find out

[@stevieray1828]

@@SamkoWorkShop go for it. It all comes down to proper maintenance. Turbos are fine if you do oil changes regularly

[@369VIDEO]

WE WANT TOYOTA HILUX GR DIESEL 2024

[@SamkoWorkShop]

That would be amazing and I would be first in line to order it!

[@derekward2266]

Also, when you said 55 grand for TRD pro, probably more like 60 grand and when out the dealer door, add another 5 grand at least! Same with the Raptor ranger. Won’t get out the door under 65 grand! Way of the road these days.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Yep probably very true. its a sad time to buy a new truck. wish it went back to how it was a couple years ago.

[@2gay4me]

There not going to a 4-cylinder turbo for gas mileage, its for emissions. I'm willing to bet the emissions on the 4 popper are going to be like half of what the v6 is.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Probably right. And Probably pushed to do so by stupid government. Regardless is a big time bummer in my opinion. But all trucks are going that way so no way around it.

[@lunamaria1048]

4 cylinder 2024 Tacomas and 6th gen 4Runner is not going to be great. Toyota has always been out of touch with the North American market imho. They get things right, but never for long.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Yep for off road purposes the new toyota trucks and suvs are steps in the wrong direction. Now geared more towards mall crawling and city life.

[@lunamaria1048]

@@SamkoWorkShop Back when manufacturers offered engine options, less cylinders meant a cheaper vehicle. Toyota forcing hybridization on TRD buyers was clever. It keeps the justification for the price.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

@lunamaria1048 great point!

[@rguil15]

People who will take a $20k plus haircut and "trade up" for a front locker in a different vehicle...do you guys realize you can get a front locker installed for less than $1500? My 22 year old landcruiser was great, but $3k to make it extremely more capable was a hell of a lot cheaper than buying a Raptor or G-Wagon. Less than a set of really good all terrain tires and you too can be front locked. Also, tow hooks? Looking "beefy" doesn't matter, all that matters is if they are tested and rated by engineers to do the job. The guys who spent 70k+ on tundras but crying over spending another $200 on tow hooks are just silly.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Great points. But for many adding a front locker voids warranty and that is a problem for them. Also big difference on the front end component strength between a vehicle that is equipped to handle a front locker. Example the jeeps have Dana 30 series in the none locker models and a Dana 40 series in the ones that fo have a front locker. But you make great points. There is always a way to make it like you want.

[@kenwilliams4086]

Blame CAFE regulations for the increased wheelbase and track of the new Tacoma. Pickup trucks in the north American market have been increasing in size since the mid 2000's because fuel economy for the light duty truck class of vehicle is based on the area of the vehicles footprint. The larger the footprint the easier it is to meet the fuel economy regulations. This is one of the main reasons US auto manufacturer's stopped producing sedans and small pickup trucks like the regular cab short box Tacoma. Toyota's new trail hunter will be hellish driving off road, especially on tight wooded trails. Owners will need to pray that they don't come upon an obstacle that requires them to back track.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Yep no doubt trucks are getting bigger and bigger. And you are so right that the bigger they get the harder they are to use in the woods.

[@scottie8984]

Love the look of the taco but the performance sucks!

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Agree 100%

[@alexsmba]

The only challenge Toyota created for itself is justified for decades how their lack innovation and competitiveness was the recipe behind the reliability. Now it has to convince its customer base that old message doesn’t apply. I actually believe that was only part of their success. Toyota was known for its manufacturing / supply chain processes and quality control. These engines are going to feel much more effortless than the old 3.5 and 4.0. They are actually detuned compared to the Crown and Grand Highlander. Reliability is not going to be an issue. I believe the reason it has more torque than the other two is because the drive train can actually handle it.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Time will tell and I truly hope your right. I love toyotas. And want to love this truck. But they make it hard for me to do compared to the other midsizers.

[@alexsmba]

@@SamkoWorkShop just look at Ford. Their QC is terrible. But their engines have actually been really good. All their issues have been other stuff. Bronco roof panels etc. They had some valve issues on the 2.7 that affected only a handful of vehicles. It was to do with the supplier of the valves and was rectified, but not to do with it being turbocharged. I believe the 3.5 on the Tundra had some teething issues that were quickly fixed too. Again, prob to do with it being a new engine in production, not as much the fact it uses turbos. I guess the lesson is don’t buy first year production run on anything, but the technology itself should be good.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

@alexstelling8448 the turbo is inevitable. Gov mandates it. But toyota messed up forcing those of us that offroad to have to have the hybrid. In my opinion turbos are a bummer, but one that we have to deal with. The hybrid mandate is thier greed and that upsets me tremendously.

[@samochoa6733]

It sounds to me that you're buying a Ford ranger raptor.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

The chevy colorado zr2 is winning for me currently. Priced right and all the features I need and dang sexy truck.

[@jamesm568]

I'm disappointed with the sorry horsepower as a midsize truck should have 300 plus horsepower without the need for a hybrid.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Agree but for me the hp is not really a huge concern for what I use it for. But i do agree 100%

[@jamesm568]

@@SamkoWorkShop Better than the non turbo 4-cylinder as that thing it definitely gutless.

[@ohrandyrandy]

I certainly understand your point, Sam. Anybody who needs a new midsized truck I would direct them to the NA V6 Frontier. Having said that, if you are just leasing, I think the Tacoma Limited would be the sweet spot. I think Toyota will be the most reliable in the battle of the 4 bangers. Also at least the limited has the creature comforts missing from some of the competition: vented seats, memory seats, adaptive suspension, with class leading hp and torque (with of course the exception of the Ranger Raptor's class leading 400hp).

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Fantastic points. My needs for a truck are very different from what a limited could provide. But for many reading this it's very worth looking at rhe limited and it's amazing features for on road use and everyday driving comfort. And I do believe that Toyota i4 turbo will eventually be the long term champ. But pisses me off they make me have to get the hybrid in an off road truck. The new tacoma is a beautiful truck for sure. But definitely heading in the wrong direction for what I personally need a truck to do.

[@ohrandyrandy]

@@SamkoWorkShop For sure, Sam. Seems like you're a heavy off roader and front and rear lockers are a prerequisite. That leaves GM and Jeep. I don't trust GM's 4 banger long term and Jeeps have reliability issues, in addition to their initial high cost. Hope you find something that suits you.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

@ohrandyrandy good news is I have 2 more years of flawless function and reliability out of my 22 tacoma trd offroad before I need to start looking for purchase. By them I will have 150ish thousand miles on it and begin looking hard. So 2 years for these trucks to prove themselves for me.

[@sammyjammy6647]

@@SamkoWorkShop you’re right they are crazy for putting a battery in there to assist the engine since Toyota is a rookie in the hybrid game

[@SamkoWorkShop]

@sammyjammy6647 I don't want a hybrid in an off road truck for many reasons. If you do, buy one! I bet you will still love it. For me no way. And toyota doesn't give you the option. It Mandatory in thier pro and th models.

[@samctm]

Thumbs up for the truck sketches. 😅 However, I disagree with all but item #1 on the list, simply because I'm amongst the 96% who drives their vehicle on the old sensible paved roads.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Absolutely nothing wrong with that! And for 96% of people the new truck will be amazing and sure does look awesome!

[@paragua79za]

That's why u never get anything 1st gen ... Let them work out all the bugs and complaints first

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Vert true. First year anything is a bad idea when it comes to vehicles

[@chrisx5127]

Yeah but if no one buy 1st gen...there isn't a 2nd or 3rd gen.

[@IsomKelly777]

You are only as strong as your weakest link. Rear independent suspensions DO NOT belong on trucks. I am going to say that Toyota is ONLY keeping a Leaf Sping variant is so they can list a higher available tongue weight. I my be wrong and I HOPE I am, but this is how it has been done for years, listing the highest available as the standard number across most manufacturers. If I am wrong then this is why you have less ground clearance etc. to compensate for the lack of strength you get out of rear independent suspensions for towing and payloads.

[@SamkoWorkShop]

I see what you are saying and agree on the tow numbers and games manufacturers play with that info. The tacoma is not independent rear though. It's coil over springs but still a solid rear axle.

[@randyflores2933]

Man idk what to get now.. was holing out to see whhat the new tacoma was all about..now im a bit like , screw it. I might as well go with a f150 tremor with a coyote v8 just by comparing price

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Love the f150 tremor! If I was buying a full size truck it would be a f150 tremor model.

[@randyflores2933]

Sweet thank you dude!

[@quinn6786]

I was considering the 24 trd pro or the raptor ranger and at first I was stuck on the taco but you made some good points I think I might go with raptor. The hybrid scares me. I bet those batteries aren’t cheap to replace and I wonder how long they would last in the first place

[@SamkoWorkShop]

I was so excited for the new tacoma to come out. Now that it has I'm leaning really hard towards the Colorado zr2. If the ranger comes out with a tremor in 25 with front lockers I will wait for it. I can afford a raptor personally. So zr2 or tremor sometime in the next 12-18 months

[@SamkoWorkShop]

@2011buddylee yeah been watching and it's a total mess. Luckily i don't need to buy a new one for 12-18 months and could stretch it until 24 months if needed. If ford can't pull it's head out of its butt, then the zr2 wins for me.

[@lespaulguitarist92]

@@SamkoWorkShop why zr2? it has the so call: 4 cylinder turbo that you're mad about. get a frontier or gladiator instead. lol

[@SamkoWorkShop]

@lespaulguitarist92 the frontier just doesn't do it for me cosmetically. Not sure why but it's not on my list for that reason. The gladiator is by far the best off reader but I don't like the road noise and wandering it has on the road. I make podcasts while I'm driving and the noise is a factor and my wife never liked the seating position in any of out wranglers we owned. So the gladiator is out. Leaves me with the 3 that will now only come with stupid i4 turbos! I have the i4 turbo concept in a truck. But is what it is.

[@lespaulguitarist92]

@@SamkoWorkShop only time will tell how reliable the turbo 4 is.. inline 4 is still a more simple engine to work on compare to a v style motor and a turbo is just a bolt on part. i feel it would be more DIY mechanic friendly.

[@whoeever]

I think also the Toyota Tacoma lost reliability when they started making them in Mexico

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Agree 100%. The quality of my tacoma is way lower compared to the quality of my 4 runner.

[@chrisx5127]

@@SamkoWorkShop All of this makes me so sad Sam! That why I don't have a Tacoma yet because when I could afford it, it was no longer made in the U.S.

[@chrisx5127]

@@SamkoWorkShop Japanese vehicle made in Mexico! So BS. How is it different from those made in China? Hell made in Vietnam would be better than made in Mexico!

[@davidstinson1458]

Nissan trucks are still offering 4 & 6 cylinders trucks… just a heads up…

[@SamkoWorkShop]

Very true and the pro4x is an excellent truck