2024 TACOMA VS 2023 TACOMA PRO OFFROADING TEST! Which one is the winner!?

[@tim3308]

This shock combo changed life for my 3rd Gen OR. I bought it as many shock experts/outlets said "This is the best bang for buck w/ shocks". Btw, did not lift truck (265/75R16 tires), ordered them preassembled and installed myself. Bilstein Shocks 6112/5160 F/R

[@counterfeitcowboy1362]

That is good to know! Are they a softer ride? I want something more like a raptor.

[@tim3308]

@@counterfeitcowboy1362 When I installed them I ran over the consistent potholes, dips, etc that I do on my normal hunting route ( knew to my bones what they felt like on stock shocks). I knew it would be improved, but I was shocked (pun!) how much improved. Really glad I chose this combo over the ubiquitous Bilstein 5100's that your read about on most Tacoma sites (lot of young guys go for that due to price alone). The 6112/5160 is the next level - "the bang for the buck" basically means you are now in the realm of the higher quality stuff but not paying the "stupid" (take it for what it is) high dollar stuff like Fox, etc. or "the point of diminishing returns". The sweet spot I feel (you know, -what Tacoma pricing used to be like - ha!). Also w/ no lift to pre stretch them, the ride is REALLY comfortable - as by definition, they have a lot to give.

[@tim3308]

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[@counterfeitcowboy1362]

@@tim3308 that’s awesome! I have looked into a lot of different suspension setups. I have kind of landed on king suspension. But I might have to dig into the bilsteins!

[@tim3308]

@@counterfeitcowboy1362 Great channel for shock advice and they often giving very practical advice (hinting some shocks are just priced ridiculous): www.youtube.com/@ShockSurplus

[@michaeljensen1123]

Brother. Tell me you weren’t crawling in 4H. Gotta put her in 4L

[@counterfeitcowboy1362]

What an idiot😂

[@michaeljensen1123]

Ok just got to 6:40. Guess you were in 4L!

[@michaeljensen1123]

Such an idiot

[@counterfeitcowboy1362]

@@michaeljensen1123 lol I wasn’t at first but once I put it in 4L it did way better and ran nice and cool

[@1FiftyOverland]

A real truck would have still made it over that in 4hi.

[@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD]

*So before this gets misinterpreted as "New Tacoma transmissions overheats" the wrong range was selected... going uphill in slow-motion in 4H will give any car an overheat warning... I do believe the user is relatively new to offroading and this is a great lesson*

[@jimmycline4778]

YOU STILL SHOULDNT BE OVER HEATING EVEN IF YOU PUT IT IN WRONG RANGE, MY NEW COLORADO TRAIL BOSS NEVER OVER HEATS NO MATTER WHAT RANGE ETC ETC AND I LIVE IN PHOENIX ARIZONA THE HOTTEST CITY N THE U.S. ✌️

[@dcl97]

I did that trail last month and didn't even put my Bronco in 4wd. 2wd, locked rear was fine. I don't know how the taco is geared, but there is nothing super steap there. Certainly nothing that should require low range. Would have made it easier sure, and put less stress on the truck, but also there is a guy in a lifted Subaru who has done that trail several times at least...sooooo not sure not being in low range is a great excuse.

[@counterfeitcowboy1362]

@dcl97 unfortunately you can’t lock the rear diff on the taco unless you’re in 4low. I bet it would have made it in 2wd locked

[@DJR5280]

Is this what Toyota fans boys are gonna start doing? Making excuses? Just like they blamed the TFL guys for the differential failing because they had the truck in Rock Mode. If this were GM, Ford or Nissan all the Toyota fan boys would be calling it unreliable junk

[@DJR5280]

@@jimmycline4778That’s good to know. I’m moving from Denver to Phoenix and have been thinking of getting a Colorado but wasn’t sure how the Turbo did in that heat

[@toyotaoforlando]

OOO Great video! Love this!!

[@counterfeitcowboy1362]

Thank you!

[@BaconCruiser]

That’s a crappy 4H if it can’t handle Toquerville Falls road. There’s nothing on that road that would make me use 4L in my Land Cruiser. Hopefully we’ll see Toyota dial in these new trucks soon. If I was buying a medium truck today I’d get a ZR2 Bison or Ranger Raptor over the G4 Tacoma, and my last 5 cars have all been Toyota or Lexus.

[@braedanrobinson2809]

Now with the full coil suspension on the 4th gen do you notice a difference over the 3rd gen leaf spring

[@counterfeitcowboy1362]

I don’t really feel like I can make a fair comparison. My 22 that I had was an sr5 and obviously this 24 is an offroad. So I didn’t have the bilsteins before. But I do feel like the 24 rides better than the little bit of experience I have driving the 3rd gen off roads.

[@h3rnand3zz96]

Hey is there a video of your friends 23 Tacoma on how he did the black roof wrap

[@counterfeitcowboy1362]

There isn’t. His buddy did it. The wrap guys Instagram is stonewraps23

[@kennethwomack8678]

Ok, I see you eventually went to low range and solved the problem. Good seeing the 2 gens together. In my 3rd Gen, I take off the mud flaps and add my hitch skid to the receiver to save the rear bumper I put the mud flaps back on when the trip is complete.. Good video overall. I just get perplexed seeing folks try to crawl in 4HI. But you figured it out and completed the trail. That’s cool.

[@counterfeitcowboy1362]

Yeah I mentioned at the end that I’ve never really rock crawled before. I’ve always had trucks and done a ton of dirt roads, mud and snow but never really crawled. I’ve also been taught that you don’t put it in 4L till you get stuck😂 I do have a pretty decent understanding of how the machine works this so after it overheated I wondered if the lower gear ratio would make it so it didn’t have to work as hard and it worked👍 It was cool to take the 2 trucks out and compare them. And as much as I like my 4th gen I have to say, that 3rd gen pro is beautiful. But his mudflaps were definitely in the way😂 I have a video where I kinda complained about how the 4th gen mudflaps don’t do jack for containing the rocks and stuff. But they were definitely better at not hitting thing on the trail😂 Thanks for watching!

[@RyanLarivee]

Stock tires or 285s. I just put 285s on my 24 offroad manual quite a difference

[@counterfeitcowboy1362]

I’m just running stock wheels and tires. I’ve heard those 285s are awesome. Are you just running a level kit?

[@RyanLarivee]

Stock wheels no level kit no rubbing even with the mud flaps on. Open Country At3

[@beexiong2995]

Guarantee if you plug in an obd2 tool to monitor the trans temp both will run the same temps. The new truck just tells you when you running hot. The old one doesnt say anything to you when its hot. Also 4Hi is recommended for high speed traction limited situations. Not crawl

[@ryanb8736]

If it’s blinking too hot, it’s too hot. Handful of people have overheated them too. Most were towing with them when they overheated. Toyota is working on a recall on these trucks.

[@bigozo1981]

Id get a Scangauge3 and set a warning to go off before temps reach too high i have mine ser ar 230 degrees and i get an alarm. You can set different alarms

[@counterfeitcowboy1362]

That’s cool! Might be a good investment!

[@bradmizzou]

What was the ambient temp that day?

[@counterfeitcowboy1362]

It was about 90 degrees

[@mattheinbaugh46]

In the middle of buying one. I don’t know if I should go with the upgrade or the premium. Premium is really expensive and I really don’t want the power tail gate. I also don’t want the 360 camera but I do want everything else and the front camera.

[@counterfeitcowboy1362]

Yeah that’s a tough one. My least favorite feature in the premium package is probably the power tailgate. It can be handy for loading the dogs tho😂 I love the 360 camera. I used the heck out of that camera on this trail. It helps you see the rocks to the side of the truck. That was one of the main reasons I got the premium package. It also has a bed camera.

[@DeLorean206]

Fun at 2 MPH!! Those Tacos need different drivers!

[@jimmycline4778]

Seri said I average 3.5 mph while walking and I am just a man , I can go to more hard places and faster than a 4x4 Tacoma!

[@TamingTrails]

It’s no excuse for the overheat but 4hi and eco mode is weird for crawling up a trail. Glad it kept working though!

[@briancoleman971]

Will never understand why people think it’s some flex to keep it in 4 hi when low is the proper range. Watching that TRD Pro lurch around instead of crawling over obstacles. 😂

[@marioa2753]

Damn , I am thinking about the 24 pro .. I might wait until next year with all these issues

[@jefftheis742]

Side by side the gen 3 still looks better to me,hard pass on gen 4

[@counterfeitcowboy1362]

I like the looks of that 3rd gen pro for sure

[@FullsendOffroad]

3:43 I know the problem. Your buddy did much better because he was in 4-Low. You can see you were in 4-High. Driving on these terrains is why you did so bad. You need low gear for this.

[@counterfeitcowboy1362]

Yeah that’s kinda what I decided after the fact. I talked about it at the end of the video. Once I put it in 4L it was cool as could be and we crawled over as bad or worse terrain. Thanks for watching!👍

[@jmpattillo]

This is it. TFL did a video on a preproduction limited when the 2024s first came out. There is a huge difference in the transmission control/ traction software between 4hi and 4lo. It was like night and day.

[@counterfeitcowboy1362]

@@jmpattillo that makes sense. I did a drag race video against this same pro and for kicks and giggles we did a 4x4 slow drag to see which one would crawl slower. The 4th gen was slower in 4L and faster in 4h. So it seems like the 4L has a wider range than the 3rd gen and the 4 high is geared higher

[@dakotaracebrown]

I was going to say 4L

[@hunter3563]

Why not use your mts,camera system and hill control going down the hill

[@Battle_Garage]

it absolutely shouldn't be over heating, since the early ones had transmission debris and recalls I want to think yours may have some debris clogging the cooler.

[@counterfeitcowboy1362]

Yeah mine is number 8611. So it is a super early production model. It has 10k miles on it now and this is the only time it ever overheated or did anything like that. So who knows

[@counterfeitcowboy1362]

WHY DO YOU THINK IT OVERHEATED?

[@JulietHotelFoxtrot]

CONSIDERING IT WENT AWAY IN 4LO, PROBABLY BECAUSE IT WASN'T IN 4LO

[@steveelliott1160]

Great Video! After seeing the 3rd Gen next to a 4th Gen I think I still love my 3rd Gen better. You definitely needed to be in 4 low for the hills you climbed so I think the trans getting hot could be contributed to that. Could you do another video at Sand Hollow with both trucks?

[@counterfeitcowboy1362]

Thank you! We definitely can! Are there any trails you want to see?

[@poordave9102]

crawled harder than this before in 3rd gen taco on 4hi no transmission temp problems

[@shaneabshear3435]

4 high or 4 low the transmission should not get hot.

[@HD-on2eg]

And that was on what looks like stock size tires. If you were on 35’s or 37’s that thing would be super hot.

[@counterfeitcowboy1362]

Yeah. I wonder if the 35s/37s would be ok in 4L

[@HD-on2eg]

@@counterfeitcowboy1362 there was a guy that was just running them on the street and was having overheating issues

[@counterfeitcowboy1362]

@@HD-on2eg is that the runnin4tacos guy?

[@HD-on2eg]

@@counterfeitcowboy1362 I don’t remember exactly.

[@billw8476]

@@counterfeitcowboy1362 not without a re-gear

[@normaninsandiego7061]

Excellent video. Even though the Tacoma was having some heat discomfort, it kept your butt cool. That's a Toyota!

[@counterfeitcowboy1362]

Thanks Norman! This is the longest I’ve ever spent editing a video😂 yeah. The Taco was putting me first😂

[@hmongboy9161]

Eco mode will be the death of these transmission

[@jackcrackerman]

This is good to know, I'm getting prepped to go cross country in my '24 TRD OR where I'll spend the next couple weeks in the Appalachian Mountains on trails/primitive roads.

[@counterfeitcowboy1362]

That’s awesome! Yeah make sure you put it in 4L when you’re crawling. And have fun!

[@jackcrackerman]

@@counterfeitcowboy1362 also I'm already adjusting one of my clusters to keep a closer eye on transmission temps when offroading.

[@counterfeitcowboy1362]

@jackcrackerman that’s a good idea. I like the page I showed in my gauges with all the temperatures. I usually use that for towing. I didn’t even think to use it for off-roading😂

[@thedude828-ed2nn]

​@@jackcrackermanyou gonna be around hurricane Creek in NC? That's where I'm at.

[@jaspercats]

New 2024 tacos have transmission problems look it up on KZbin, manual and automatic transmissions, and I think they also did away with trans cooler, they are also breaking top shock mounts so if off roading be prepared for issues, these are no longer quality trucks being built.

[@truthnow902]

You don't even have to watch this video to figure out which one's the best anybody has Common Sense anymore obviously it's the 23 model the third generation!!!!

[@richardplascencia1929]

Not good that the 4th gen tranny overheated like that, i noticed your dash said 85°. Thats not hot at all. I live in Phx and I go wheeling at Rolls OHV which is much harder than Tourqer Falls. Im also pushing 35'' tires, steel skid plates front to back, steel sliders, Roof rack and 35" spare. Even fully loaded with full camping gear, i have never gotten a heat code. I get the feeling Toyota rushed this truck into production.

[@WyLEE08]

I would change the boiled trans fluid to be safe.

[@counterfeitcowboy1362]

I’ve thought about that😬 that’s probably not a bad idea

[@WyLEE08]

@@counterfeitcowboy1362 When I boiled my trans fluid in my Taco towing I changed it and went another 100K miles and sold it with no issues.

[@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD]

It wasn't "boiled" ... it got hot... the entire truck will go into limp mode to protect the fluid and transmission... that's why it wouldn't move on him... limp mode

[@WyLEE08]

@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD I would assume it did. Why would you roll the dice on a brand new truck? That event was recorded by the truck and Toyota will know that should there be further trans issues. What is FACT trans fluid got too hot, 230+degrees F (about 50 degrees above optimal temp) causing the Taco to stop moving. Call it boiled fluid or call it baked it would be out of my transmission.

[@lorenzoronpedrique2952]

I will have to agree with you. Just to be safe

[@EricCannady]

4low 4low 4low when offroading otherwise transmissions temps shoot up. Does not matter make or model. 3rd gen does not have trans temp gauge so your buddy really did not know how his was doing other then it did not stick him in limp mode.

[@counterfeitcowboy1362]

That is fair! I noticed that he didn’t have a trans temp gauge but for some reason I didn’t even think that his could have been hot too. I guess the only difference is mine went into limp mode for a second and his didn’t. And that could be attributed to the difference in 4x4 systems that we have since learned about😂. Thanks for the input!

[@Nonyabizness411]

The user error is when you bought it 😅 it's got warranty you'll be fine.

[@lc7192]

The 4th gen obviously has better wheel articulation. The 3rd gen was dipping and bobbing way more. Probably due to the rear leaf springs.

[@counterfeitcowboy1362]

Yeah I noticed it a little bit while making this video. But then I saw another guy on KZbin wheeling his frontier, a buddy in a gladiator and another buddy in a 4th gen taco and the taco shocked me with how much articulation the 4th gen had compared to the frontier and gladiator They are impressive little rigs.

[@BBQBookie]

Toquerville Falls looks sick🔥 definitely have to add that to the list!

[@counterfeitcowboy1362]

Bro it was so fun! I want to go try something harder now😂

[@georgemccrabb6010]

Sorry guys, but I don’t think you guys know how to drive

[@kevinkidneyy]

3rd gen all day and i love my 3rd gen the looks sooo good

[@davidsoto8695]

There’s absolutely no reason it should be overheating on 4H that’s insane 😅 and glad I’m keeping my 3rd gen

[@andrewtamkin2511]

my second gen would do that no issues in 4 lo or Hi .

[@stevehassell3477]

I was waiting for a car to pass you. I’m seen almost everything at the Falls.

[@phw2274]

Good video, you're learning. I have to say that 3rd gen looked and sounded like a real truck. I just don't like the sound of that 4th gen engine.

[@rcintron123]

3:15 Bro you Need to take it to dealer and do a transmission fluid change. Probably dark after that.

[@morgan7992]

Say what you want about the third gen, but mine has got me everywhere so far.

[@ryandoyle4344]

This seems to line up; By adding weight and also torque, Toyota is attacking both achillies of an automatic transmission.

[@teddonley9594]

That gravel road looks tough lol Once you get the new off that truck I hope you hit some real trails to see if it's worthy.

[@danraschick312]

You can't off road! I have a 23 trd off road. I did better with a '22 Durango rental with about 8" of clearance at best. Put yer work boots away! 12:10

[@kennethwomack8678]

Your truck overheated because you were crawling in 4-wheel Hi. Off-roading 101.

[@SoCaltaco65]

How else are you going to get more hits on youtube?

[@xMrFuzZyKitteH]

I though u only use 4L when in steep uphills?

[@truthnow902]

Off-road 101 bring bring a real truck to go off-roading next time not something that's made for a princess!!!!

[@truthnow902]

@@xMrFuzZyKitteH you only use for low when you're pulling heavy weight or you're forcing the transmission pulling or pushing something that's heavy, but that rule does not apply to the new Tacoma do you need to put in 4 Low when you're trying to get over a Little Rock!!!!

[@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD]

​@@xMrFuzZyKitteHsteep uphill or downhill to engine brake... the camera flattens out the steepness of the trail here

[@boots1131]

You put stuff up there for us to read. But you don't leave it long enough for us to read it., So maybe don't even put it up there.

[@richardstralow6314]

Hey...seeing more transmission issues! Overheating and total failures occurring

[@danielmclinn5963]

Corolla vs older Tacoma

[@stevehassell3477]

You can actually take a Corolla up that road

[@truthnow902]

The transmission should not have overheated 4 high should have done it no problem it wasn't big enough for the transmission to overheat but it's not a secret let the new Tacoma truck is garbage four-cylinder turbo motor with a crap transmission that overheats absolute garbage I wouldn't buy that if it was the last truck on the planet Toyota needs to wake up cuz they're losing sales and everyone else is going to pass them!!!

[@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD]

depends on how slow he was going and how steep the trail was... the camera flattens out the trail... if it was steep you can't lug along in slow motion uphill for too long without any trucks transmission getting hot.

[@truthnow902]

@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD yeah but it didn't look very steep at all and I also noticed it did not take long for two reasons that wasn't even much pressure on the transmission, the older generation Tacoma sorry the third generation did the same climb in the transmission did not overheat. Also in the case what if the vehicle is all wheel drive and it doesn't have a low like the Honda Ridgeline or SUVs with all-wheel drive they would make it up there no problem this is the first time on something like this I heard of a transmission overheating, without pulling any load at all or pushing large amounts of snow. We should not fool ourselves does transmission is not very good at all and other people have complained about the transmission overheating as well so this truck is not the first one other people's Transmissions also went on them they needed a full replacement. It's obvious to me Toyota does not care about quality anymore!!!!

[@thewireman134]

Loving my new Canyon Denali. It's a beast!

[@Tagfire17]

Y’all are missing something. He should have been in 4 low. Not 4 hi. That’s why he was cooking the tranny.

[@MarcusRefusius]

August 1st and I’ve YET to see one on the road. And we live at the entrance to Sequoia National Park! I have a 2017 with 55k on the odometer. And I LOVE it. 23+ mpg I bought it with every bell & whistle for under 40k. Paid Cash. NO further Payments. I drove my 95 Taco for 22 years. I put a quarter million miles on it. mainly up and down the Mountain to Giant Forest. So 2nd and 3rd gear. It’s 15 miles from my house to Giant Forest. ONE of those miles being vertical.

[@jimmycline4778]

Their is video after video of new Tacoma transmissions blowing up, video after video of new Tundra motors blowing up! Toyota is not considered reliable anymore! 😢

[@ryanb8736]

Another one with overheating transmission. I thought Toyota tested these? This is the 6th one so far with issues.

[@Mjr1348]

4lo !!! Or crawl. Thats why that happened.

[@lorenzoronpedrique2952]

Driver error driving in 4h

[@AvoidableCorn]

You need rocksliders if you keep doing trails like this. Eventually, you will have a hard strike to the rocker panel.

[@counterfeitcowboy1362]

Coming soon! That’s why I was going so slow. People are hating on my driving. I was just taking it easy since I had no protection😂

[@noahd4039]

Man toyota hates 4 high so much they blow up your trans if you use it😂

[@counterfeitcowboy1362]

Yeah! F that 4high!😂

[@bajalife4ever]

If crawling is your off road passion, get solid axle.

[@utesforlife]

I’ve gone off road several times in northern Utah with my 4th gen and had no issues! Crawl will not do that. Now you know.

[@ReelNewwt]

user error

[@Andrew.aguiniga]

Moab next? Fun video to make!

[@counterfeitcowboy1362]

Heck yeah! Let’s go!

[@sandan500]

Why would anyone buy a truck that is overpriced with engine and transmission failures not to mention replacing a strong V6 and V8 with a turbo L4 because their engineers apparently are not smart enough to design. They created an electric truck and claimed specifications that are borderline fraud. I have owned Toyota trucks for over 20 years to include Tacoma’s and Tundras but I just replaced my old Tundra with a Honda Ridgeline Black Edition and I am very pleased with it to include the V6. I am done with Toyota Trucks they are much too arrogant and absolutely ignore the customer's wants and needs. Over the years when I have complained about issues and I address the executives I always get a call from a woman admin type for the executive office with boiler plate excuses and apologies. Toyota does not care about its customers just the bottom line. They will not rein in their rogue dealers who add on exorbitant markups, fees and addons claiming they have no leverage which is ridiculous. If it is true than Toyota attorneys and management do not know how to write contracts or again just don't care. I am done with Toyota trucks let those with money to throw away or burn buy them. IMHO.

[@dajahvue]

Yea the 3rd gen looks way better

[@richardstralow6314]

Nice adventure. Not impressed by 4th gen trans overheating. At least you didn't get stuck out there....have fun and be safe!

[@counterfeitcowboy1362]

It was so fun! Yeah I’m glad it was just a temporary issue. And I’m glad it protected itself so I didn’t hurt it😂 once I put it in 4L it was much happier. The more ya know😂

[@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD]

It wasn't the truck... the wrong range was selected... any truck going in slow motion in 4H will give an overheat warning

[@richardstralow6314]

@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD lol.....that's a huge stretch and bad excuse!

[@ryandoyle4344]

​@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD username leans towards a potential biased opinion, so let check out your channel's videos. Seems to either review a Toyota/Lexus or defend Toyota.

[@scottgregory2059]

Use 4Lo

[@MarkHenderson-y4b]

Hi

[@counterfeitcowboy1362]

Hey bud😂

[@tedstricklin9131]

That’s sad😢

[@pheonix24100]

3g all the way iys a proven motor and transmission the 4th toyota blew it with a 4 cylinder and a turbo that later down the line will not be able to sustain a high milage!!

[@thewireman134]

Toyota making Ford look like it makes a reliable truck. Lol

[@LivinlifenFL]

Cannot even pay me to buy that truck with a four banger no more power than that it sounds like a broken sewing machine it’s really sad that Toyota did this to their best selling vehicle. I am so glad I bought a 2023 and did not wait for the 2024

[@kevinbradley8613]

You should try driving one before you judge. I’m glad you like your 3rd gen. They’re great trucks, but in my objective opinion, the “four banger” actually sounds better than the v6, and it makes a decent bit more torque (especially at low rpms) and the exact same power as the v6 (also at lower rpms). There’s a lot of BS going around about these new trucks, and almost 100% of it is completely unfounded. Go drive one yourself and then be the critic all you want, but until you do, you’re just speaking foolishness.

[@beexiong2995]

Sorry but my past 3rd gen bogs at sea level because no torque. It feels like a toyota sienna with 7 passengers in it

[@Rey-me3rj]

Get it Tuned

[@bretthl1]

22R on steroids.

[@bretthl1]

true enough. my gen 3 was a dog. so happy with my gen 4.

[@carlosescalera6270]

Keep it simple your truck is shit the other one is not.

[@Noname00877]

4th gen sucks. 3rd gen all day

[@tm68669]

This is funny because based on all the videos I see the 4th gen fixes a lot of the 3rd gen's issues.

[@scottthomas2895]

Your transmission over heated because it is a piece of junk. Trade it in while you can.

[@SwanBrewer-c6o]

Then buy a ford!