2024 World Internal Combustion Engine Conference reveals hydrogen future

2024 World Internal Combustion Engine Conference reveals hydrogen future
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[@markuc]

World analogue phone conference, chemical camera conference, horse cart conference... I'm sure they still exist right? 😂

[@dallasdrew2390]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 classic 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@thehobo54]

Seriously though, analog computers are on the horizon, I kid you not!

[@zetaanarchics7113]

😂 Lol

[@peteralflat281]

​​@@thehobo54 absolutely, using light instead of electrons they are 1,000 times faster and use 1% of the energy. I think they are a bit over the horizon though.

[@johnnyjet3.1412]

Kids are discovering typewriters - and writing by hand makes you smarter.

[@peteralflat281]

I'm planning to start manufacturing "bird feeders" for pterodactyls.

[@tgdomnemo5052]

Set up for long term success 😆👍🏼🤣

[@victorblakey4260]

There is a huge investment in the infrastructure of internal combustion engines Servicing cars is a huge part of the profitability of the new car market. EV’s need so much less servicing (almost no moving parts to wear out), selling replacement parts, selling fuel, keeping the customer on a tether to the fuel pump

[@pettigrewtristan]

The battery powered toy car society!!! Oh wait, sorry wrong group. Don't worry everyone will be driving in Electric Utopia in 2030. Everyone lives in a first world country with amazing infrastructure. They can charge their cars in their garages with solar panels and if that does not work they are 'like that' installing a 10 vehicle 1 megawatt fast charger station on every second block!!!! I mean one megawatt is only enough to power 300-400 average households at any given time. No need to look elsewhere.

[@colinwiseman]

​@@pettigrewtristanthanks for helping promote EVs 😊

[@pettigrewtristan]

My absolute pleasure 🙏 ☺️

[@ALCLCFVIS]

@@pettigrewtristan i charge 99% of the time @ 4A x 220V. That's more then enough for my countries daily average mileage (actually 4x more).....keep your ignorance in check.

[@victorblakey4260]

@@pettigrewtristan I live in rural thailand, so, not a first world country, when we moved here 3 years ago, there was 1 charging station close to our home site (while we were building our home)now there are about a dozen within a relatively short drive, however, we rarely use them, most of our driving is less than 100 km (its about 30 km to the nearest supermarket), and so most of our charging just adds to our electric bill, and as a result most of our 'fuel' is costing us less than 205 of what the equivalent driving was in our old honda Jazz, when we use commercial charging stations it gets a bit more expensive, going up to about 30% of the equivalent cost of driving our Honda Jazz (the comparison I am using is based on the price of fuel BEFORE the price jump a few years ago), and our servicing costs have so far (servicing 5 times) has cost us less than 1 service for the Jazz

[@davidbuchan3753]

Love the ‘horse and carriage’ lovers here… You are 100% correct, Viking! Hydrogen will have lost the battle for vehicles by next year. The stations are closing in Europe and North America. Incredibly inefficient tech.

[@Mr11ESSE111]

its not problem in tech then in too less stations for hydrogen , if governments invest money as in EVs then there will be enough of hydrogen stations

[@LittleBoobsLover]

yeah. Just wondering what Toyota will do now- they wanted to scam people with hydrogen - maybe they even had good intentions to deliver cool tech, but they failed. I know that with hydrogen, they could produce the fuel by their own companies almost for free. Now their dream turn into nightmare and they will be forced to rely on chinese batteries and tech. But i don't know if this will be to late for them- japanese people really likes BYD Dolphin, which won their car competition in some kind of journal magazine or something.

[@fractalelf7760]

@@Mr11ESSE111But why would you want it?

[@Mr11ESSE111]

@fractalelf7760 why not!?much faster recharging and around same range as best EVs

[@fractalelf7760]

@@Mr11ESSE111 Because the cost in buildout of infrastructure with a needlessly complex vehicle compared to electric makes zero sense…

[@dallasjohnson8923]

Internal combustion conference??? Hosted by the flat earth society?? Bahahaha!!

[@Michaeldavi907]

If you are not in the financial market space right now, you are making a huge mistake. I understand that it could be due to ignorance, but if you want to make your money work for you... prevent inflation

[@Vbfgh-vz4si]

Thanks for continuing updates I'd rather trade the crypto market as it's more profitable. I make a good amount of money per week even though I barely trade myself.

[@Michaeldavi907]

A lot of people still make massive profit from the crypto market, all you really need is a relevant information and some ‹professional advice. ‹it's totally inappropriate for investors to hang on while suffering from dip during significant

[@Vbfgh-vz4si]

You trade also?, I

[@Michaeldavi907]

No I don't trade on my own anymore, I always required help and assistance

[@Michaeldavi907]

From my personal financial advisor

[@OnsiteOneSolutions]

this is like the horse and buggy industry refusing to accept their demise, and instead of shifting to mechanical cars, they pour more money on research to produce an animal faster than a horse. the desperation is quite sad.

[@duncanedwards8258]

I agree it's sad if I has any sympathy for them. But you're looking an an industry that is fighting tooth-and-nail to keep EVs down, just so they can continue to have jobs ... at the cost of an existential threat to every living thing on the planet. I think it's funny, self-inflicted, and richly deserved. Please pass the popcorn.

[@robertulrich3964]

You can't overcome the laws of thermodynamics anytime that you convert one form of energy into another you're going to have efficiency loss. Hydrogen will always cost 19.00 a gallon because you have to create hydrogen. It doesn't come out of the ground as hydrogen.

[@PonkyKong]

There is geological hydrogen

[@tgdomnemo5052]

​@@PonkyKong ... and a celestial sun .. heavenly wind H2 for the purposes we need it (industry) , for fuel 🤔 ... WHY 😳

[@PonkyKong]

@@tgdomnemo5052 you can literally get hydrogen from the ground. Just like natural gas.

[@casperhansen826]

Look up white hydrogen, but it doesn't change the fact that hydrogen is very difficult to work with

[@whitehart11]

Bit like petrol fuelled hybrids, what's the point of those, just think your driving electric but you are not.

[@davidinkster1296]

Remember that there are many component suppliers (e.g. piston rings, valves, oil pumps) who will cease to exist if the ICE dies. So it is in their interests to keep the old tech going as long as possible. A bit like the oil companies who connive, lie and deceive to put off the fateful day that they close. Governments must use taxes, levies and any means possible to ensure that ICE production (and oil production) shrinks so rapidly that their imminent demise is obvious. 'Leaving it to the market' doesn't work, because it was 'the market' that gave us air pollution and climate change.

[@timothykeith1367]

The U.S. climate data back to 1880 does not show any so called climate change. The sea level gauge in New York Harbor going back to 1855 does not show a sea level rise. Some people are naturally fearful and believe various nutty theories that aren't true.

[@michaelbradley1636]

That's only a small part of the problem. If we could successfully tax polluters to pay for their pollution, gas would have been twice as expensive as it is in the EU (over $4 per QUART, not gallon), and we would still be riding horses (not bragging about them). Other examples would be making water polluters (think steel manufacturing, companies that make products with dangerous chemical "leftovers" that dump them in rivers or the oceans), (consider the cancerous pollution of the drinking water in Detroit, etc), and nuclear waste pollution.

[@Tron-Jockey]

I believe you're correct but it's not just the fossil fuel industry and ICE component suppliers who are worried, it's also those involved with the sales and servicing of gasoline and diesel engines (especially new car dealers and their employees). They perceive mass adoption of electric vehicles as an existential threat to their career choice. Many of the people involved with these industries now incessantly troll the comment forums under articles about electric vehicles attempting to discourage interest in them. They now troll the Viking as well. According to the National Automobile Dealers Association (NADA), the average new car dealership brings in over 40% of their total profits from the sales of parts and service, to include sales of finance and insurance (F&I) products. Parts, service and F&I products are all HEAVILY dependent upon the greater service and repair needs of gasoline and diesel vehicles. Simply put dealerships realize they won't be able to continue extorting thousands from owners of electric vehicles the way they do from owners of gasoline and diesel vehicles.

[@chillfluencer]

They should use this time now to switch!

[@chillfluencer]

​@@michaelbradley1636...meanwhile countries like Germany subsidize Diesel fuel with €1.7 billion per year.

[@truhartwood3170]

H2 is 11X worse than CO2 as a greenhouse gas and lots of it escapes from tanks, hoses etc as it's the smallest molecule there is so even moves right through hoses and stuff.

[@chillfluencer]

Hydrogen will be a blast!

[@JSRTales]

imagine a hydrogen v8 emiting water only safe for environment without losing the sound of ehaust 😊

[@jeffpitoniak]

It going to be an explosive market

[@jimthain8777]

@@JSRTales You're conveniently forgetting the N2O that burning hydrogen emits. So it ain't just water.

[@flodjod]

the aroma of burning NOx ..... yummmmm

[@chriswarren-smith62]

Oh the humanity!!!!

[@lawrencecoleman6998]

Compare the simplicity of an EV power train compared to ICE. These dudes certainly have their heads firmly in the sand😂

[@kebeleteeek4227]

Pls can you convince insurance companies to lower the fee because EV is "simpler" than ICE cars .. LOL

[@gj91471]

EV's are just a Welder on wherls

[@stennordenmalm9900]

You have no idea. In Europe they are now running test trains on hydrogen. And it is going really good. Do some research

[@user-yh6xf3wl1h]

If they are so simple why are they so expensive?

[@gj91471]

@@stennordenmalm9900 If they asked any Engineer..... They would know that Hydrogen leeches metals........

[@flodjod]

CANT YOU HEAR THE ICE UNDERTAKER WAITING AT THE DOOR

[@tomadam1465]

In Norway hydrogen. Sales started booming after the filling stasion has exploded in Sandvika. That showed the whole country, how safe hydrogen really is 😉😂

[@paulstubbs7678]

'sales went BOOMING', good choice of words!

[@casperhansen826]

Actually all hydrogen filling stations in Denmark have been closed, both of them😊

[@irishman9877]

Didn't Tesla battery plant not blow too?

[@davidlloyd1526]

@@irishman9877 Not by design. Hydrogen is explosive by definition of what it is....

[@irishman9877]

@@davidlloyd1526 how you mean not by design, ev fire non stop in every country, 3 ev buses in the UK within a month 1 by 1, Tesla's etc. Battery's are far from completely safe.

[@MrSchpankme]

Hydrogen fuel costs, roughly equivalent to about $16.00 a gallon.

[@fuerchtenichts]

now

[@truhartwood3170]

Nuff said!

[@truhartwood3170]

@@fuerchtenichts hydrogen is tied to electricity costs. Hydrogen combustion takes around 6X as much initial electricity generated to turn the wheels compared to a BEV. Fuel cell takes 3X as much. So H2 will always be 3 - 6X the cost to fill vs BEVs, whatever that cost is. Plus the cars are way more expensive, plus maintenance is way WAY more expensive thanks to hydrogen embrittlement (yeah, might want to look that one up!)

[@fuerchtenichts]

@@truhartwood3170 well the reason for developing HV parallel to EV is simply the fact that hydrogen is the better way to store energy long term than currently existing batteries. Depending on the use case this is an interesting feature.

[@timfehlberg9051]

​@@truhartwood3170 Not to mention way less efficient due to energy loss from heat and friction.

[@asajelfs8170]

Hydrogen powered vehicles commonly freeze to the refueling pump because the liquid is at minus 200 degrees. This alone is very poor.

[@davidrandall2742]

ICE had a good run, but horses had a much longer run before that.

[@georgerex0]

That can only be an April Fools Day.

[@Harrythehun]

The Pony express was up and running only for 18 months before they went bankrupt. They were replaced by the telegraph. The hydrogen for regular cars is a modern time Pony Express....

[@johnmightymole2284]

So bizarre. Sometimes it's hard to know how things will go and what will be best but how can anyone put their money into such a dead end.

[@raydawson8904]

Sam remember the video made by David Cebon all about the problems associated with hydrogen. They are driving up a blind alley.

[@francisbatista3533]

This is a huge mistake using hydrogen for ICE engines. Because Hydrogen doesn't have enough energy density that needs to do the same range as a gas/petrol engines, you need more than 6 times tank capacity for the same if hydrogen is in liquid state. Compressed gas hydrogen is twice the volume as liquid.

[@edwinschaap5532]

A combustion engine is a lot cheaper and more durable than the fuel cells that are holing the hydrogen cars back. That they are very expensive per mileage is something buyers will figure out afterward.

[@danialzara5208]

"Hey guys, conference is over, its called an electric car" lmao xD

[@oliveralber5805]

The time they will come up with their first crazy prototype cars, EVs will probably cost half to comparable combustion cars. In addition refueling with hydrogen will be crazy expensive. So who will be their customers🤔

[@connclissmann6514]

Looked up hydrogen vehicles on a 2024 reality dictionary and the translation came back as cul-de-sac.

[@sarg3146]

I saw these reports about the hydrogen engine too and they surprised me. I'm 76. In the 60's I saw documentaries on PBS about hydrogen powered ICE cars. It is pretty easy to convert (the carburetion of) a gasoline ICE car to run on methane or hydrogen or any gas. Hydrogen is extra trouble because it's harder to contain and carry around - slippery stuff. The exhaust is just water plus some NOx because of high combustion temp. In the 60's they fixed that with water injection to keep the combustion temperature down. Granted, starting from scratch today with computer controlled ignition and new materials you can certainly make a better, purpose-built hydrogen engine. But it is still internal combustion and requires all their ancillary sub-systems and complexity. EVs are simpler and better. And making them better still, depends almost entirely on 1 thing: improving battery technology. That is happening, and quickly. The electrical distribution system already exists, is well understood and just needs to be expanded. I don't think hydrogen for cars will ever catch up. It may find some special use cases (seagoing vessels, trains?) but for cars I think Toyota has bet on a loser.

[@chrisheath2637]

There was a saying about my boss in my old company - "You've got all these smart people around you, and you don't listen to them." Clearly, ICE and car makers want to carry on in the same way, just replacing petrol/diesel with hydrogen. They just aren't listening...as batteries get cheaper, and the economies of scale kick in, EVs will, purely on economic grounds, eclipse hydrogen....( and petrol/diesel and PHEVs and HEVs...)

[@chrisheath2637]

Interesting ! At 1.16 in the video, an alternator is being attached to an infernal combustion engine. Interesting because with a simple gearbox (and power electronics), that is all that's needed for the drivetrain of an electric car - no complex mechanical engine required !

[@lesliefranklin1870]

ICE will be around until problems with scaling BEVs are resolved, such as charging and price. However, there is almost no chance that hydrogen (either ICE or Fuel Cell) will provide a bridge. Hydrogen just has too many major problems (price, clean generation, distribution, etc.) to overcome in such a short time.

[@SuperMachead1]

So if hydrogen is so abundant and economical…why don’t they just burn it at power plants to make electricity for electric vehicles…it seems like that makes more sense…😊

[@philiptaylor7902]

Actually, that is a good potential use for hydrogen! Once renewable energy is ramped up, hydrogen is an option for energy storage.

[@user-nf7tt2uo1r]

Sounds like this conference is not about cars. There are lots of engines in the world and future hydrogen development will have a relevant place in their development.

[@timp1293]

Basically it’s a conference for the old car industry to discuss how to survive in the age of EVs.

[@paulstubbs7678]

An ICE version of a retirement/old age get together

[@etmax1]

Here's the thing, an internal combustion engine running on hydrogen and using atmospheric air as an oxidiser produces nitrous oxides which are a greenhouse gas as well as having only 50% efficiency at most (laws of thermodynamics and all that). Given that we are supposed to stop producing such gases they will have to carry liquid oxygen as well, further reducing their range.

[@paulstubbs7678]

And resulting in a much bigger bang when things (as they will) go wrong.

[@aesma2522]

If you believe in the personal car (or flying vehicle for that matter) then battery electric has a trump card hydrogen will never have : charging at home. In fact hydrogen has the opposite, its tank empties itself at quite a pace (a battery can also discharge, but slower, and you can top it up at home easily). Now if in the future we mostly use robotaxis, then how they're refueled matters less. But then hydrogen has many other drawbacks. I mean even to power rockets where it is the best performing fuel (best specific impulse) hydrogen isn't always used because it has other issues. Typically SpaceX's Merlin engine uses good old jet fuel.

[@johnfrancis4401]

Some people like noise. They like engines which wear rapidly and increasingly lose efficiency and produce more pollution.

[@andrewradford3953]

Maybe they'll come out with a hydrogen /fossil fuel hybrid. The worst of both worlds.

[@briancampbell179]

In a way, they already have. Grey hydrogen is made from fossil fuels and is environmentally worse than burning straight fossil fuel. It's a bit like using electricity to create green hydrogen for fuel cells is less efficient than putting that electricity straight into a battery.

[@koenraad4618]

Hydrogen is even less efficient compared with ICE vehicles (from crude oil to propulsion), that is why the oil companies love hydrogen.

[@andersandersson4636]

No its not, efficient 53%.

[@calgarytek]

In the late 90's early 2000's Ballard Power was putting in prototype fuel cell vehicles in Canada that relied on proton exchange membranes with Hydrogen as fuel. The end product was electricity to power an electric motor. Never went anywhere sadly.

[@universeisundernoobligatio3283]

Hydrogen internal combustion engine development programs main purpose is to extract money out of governments.

[@korneliusthegrey4923]

You would have to sell your hydrogen for an extraordinarily inexpensive price and with maintenance and blah blah blah there's no way to compete with electric.

[@etmax1]

When I clicked the like button, it went from 666 to 667, I just had to get the devil out of it :-)

[@markodeen4105]

Why does it have to be battery ? Why can't it be an all of the above??

[@nicholaskeenan898]

its about efficient use of resources developing the wrong tech will cause large amounts of emissions for no net positive for society. The best way forward is to game out all the variables. if you game out hydrogen you can see its just a way for the fossil fuel companies to keep control. one very useful fact in gaming out Hydrogen is to remember that there are more hydrogen molecules in a gallon of gasoline than in a gallon of liquid hydrogen. this is just one issue there are many!!!!!

[@scottgardener]

I have never seen a hydrogen fuel station. I've got two EV charging spots in my own garage. I have seen paranormal phenomena that I cannot readily explain using current science, but I have yet to encounter a place to refill a hydrogen fuel station. I could see developing fuel cells for airplanes, maybe.

[@skyflight99]

From here in Montana, the nearest H2 filling station is thousands of miles away. Yes point well made.

[@duncanedwards8258]

Haha too funny! In other news, the World Conference on Horse-drawn Carriages revealed that the future is a new type of horse food.

[@chrispenn715]

Next week there's a world steam train conference.... 😂

[@myronp243]

A new engine for most cars cost you $5,000.00 And Tesla can make their electric motors for under $1,00.00.The battery technology are getting so good that you will never have to change your battery pack ever.Look at the cost of that type of hydrogen compared to electricity

[@tysonfinn1470]

Electric Viking walks in, pulls his pants down and say s conference over guys it's called a 3 inch punisher

[@ChrisHPSNZ]

We have to remember it was the car and petrochemical industry that helped remove trams and public transport systems around the world do the could sell more cars creating more demand for fuels (dam any thing else)

[@kimmurphy1683]

Internal Combustion Engine Conference? Wouldn't the be like the Steam Locomotive Conference or the Smoke Signala Conference?

[@henrytang2203]

Hydrogen is largely produced from methane. Btw.

[@jasongaylard2547]

I bet they see hydrogen engines breaking down as a feature not a bug.

[@neilfromclearwaterfl81]

So they are meeting to solve the engine failure issues due to the embrittlement and high heat breakdown that internal combustion engines experience when burning Hydrogen. If they solve that then they don't really need hydrogen since they will also have solved the 14.7 to 1 air fuel limitation of current ICE engines burning gasoline which should allow them to burn a much leaner and more efficient fuel mix without experiencing premature engine failure or needing hydrogen. Then again that will involve very costly materials and manufacturing processes most likely at a greatly increased cost to the consumer. This has been the roadblock to breaking the 14.7 to 1 barrier for many years now. Best!

[@victorsvoice7978]

Ice car makers and fossil fuel companies fear losing their golden goose. The black-gold money tree. A mineral that everyone needs every day.

[@paulstubbs7678]

The crazy thing is they have had years to prepare, but they chose to do nothing, so that's all they deserve to get - nothing.

[@JoeyBlogs007]

The combustion engine is all but finished for most industries, bar long distance commercial aviation and shipping.

[@frankcoffey]

Wow even printer ink is cheaper than hydrogen 😂

[@johnrhodes348]

The future is 100% electric

[@james_l4337]

Hydrogen EV. Hydrogen EV Trucks. Methanol refueling stations Hydrogen powered EV travels x2 distances

[@wmcapriceforum]

Toyota apparently has a prototype hydrogen ICE Hiace in Australia. The specs are jaw-dropping, in a bad way. It produces half the power of a normal Hiace and has only 200 km of range. No doubt it costs a fortune to buy and run, too. The plus side is that it can also operate on petrol, which is probably their plan all along. Considering most H2 is a fossil fuel byproduct, this is greenwashing of the worst kind. Also worth looking into the specs of the old BMW 750hL and Hydrogen 7. Similar fuel consumption to a city bus, low performance and they couldn't be parked indoors because the cryogenic liquid H2 would slowly leak and pose an explosion hazard. Engineering Explained did an excellent video on the topic explaining that hydrogen ICE vehicles would only work if the whole luggage area were dedicated to massive fuel tanks.

[@connclissmann6514]

Nokia together with Toyota announce hydrogen phone?

[@davidmenasco5743]

We'll have to dig up someone like Rudyard Kipling to write a poem about the valiant efforts to keep fighting the combustion fight. Going down with the ship, Once more into the breach, and all that.

[@jonathondeeds3423]

Small point of correction the combustion temperature of hydrogen engines is solely dependent on how rich the mixture is not how lean it is as you implied. The leaner the mixtures the cooler the combustion temperature, manufacturers are making breakthroughs in super lean combustion that results in near zero NOX and higher engine efficiency and power. I know of two manufacturers that have achieved over 53% efficiency with a lot more room for further improvement.

[@edwinschaap5532]

Surprisingly the company’s that lost out on the production of battery cars.

[@hansholland01]

I hear the buggy whip convention is next week ! Don’t miss it

[@stevehartley7504]

Hydrogen!!!! Still trying to keep combustion engines alive!!!! Hydrogen is to expensive to engineer to fit and store effectively in a car!!! Hydrogen is expensive to produce and difficult to store! Infrastructure would be a nightmare way more expensive than Electric to produce Also can't use flexible rubber hoses so more metal pipes!

[@jackdbur]

That became brittle from exposure to high pressure hydrogen

[@MrFiksta]

Wind up cars will be next

[@fractalelf7760]

There are a strange set of believers that Hydrgoen has an actual future. I can’t get my head around it, it makes no sense…

[@Juan-oy3fo]

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[@rohankilby4499]

In the end it boils down to efficiency and cost can’t see internal combustion making it much further hydrogen or not if left to pure economics but geo politics might prolong this inefficient tech a few more years interesting to see how it goes. I’m investing in BEV’s and driving automation as I consider this to be the real future markets will dictate 😁👍

[@SkepticalCaveman]

Hydrogen? Why not go for Biogas (renewable methane) instead? Biogas is actually cleaner than hydrogen, in the end, and would be sufficient tor the shrinking ICE market in the future. Methane is much easier to store and ransport way cheaper too. Biogas buses are used in my country and have very little impact since the fuel is renewable and made from trash

[@erik5820]

There is a very limited amount of biogas availiable. It should in general be used / reserved for transport that cannot easily be electrified, such as long distance ocean transport. Buses should be battery electric.

[@SkepticalCaveman]

@@erik5820 exactly, if you had read my comment more carefully I already said that biogas would be used instead of the shrinking gasoline car fleet, since EV's will dominate in the future. I didn't say that buses shouldn't be electric I said that we already have, since many years ago, biogas buses here. Also there are long distance buses. Super capacitors would actually be great for city buses since they can be charged in seconda and can ve recharged millions of times. The shorter range doesn't matter since the bus can recharge at every stop. They had SC buses in China I don't know if they still use them.

[@erik5820]

@@SkepticalCaveman I stand my ground ;-) H2 or biogas should not be used fir any landgoing transport whatsoever. That includes trains, large transport lorries and long distances buses. It should ve reserved for industrial purposes and transport that cannot practically be electrified in the forseeable future (long distance ocean and air transport).

[@SkepticalCaveman]

@@erik5820 Trains? Trains are electric of course they don't use fuel what are you talking about? We are not living in 1824. You're wrong about biogas, emergency vehicles like firetrucks and ambulances need an alternative energy source to electricity, what if the battery is empty when they need to go?. Battery swapping might work in the city but what about forest fires? Where are you swapping those batteries?

[@erik5820]

@@SkepticalCaveman not all lines are electrified. In Germany (and some other places) they have started to swap diesel trains with H2 trains. It's not a good idea - but it is done. I see no problem with using EV fire trucks. They will allways be filled up (since they mainly wait at the fire-station for the next fire), and these trucks rarely move far anyway. If they need to fill up outside the fire station (which they rarely will need) they can just use the nearest rapid charging station (500KW charging now exists and 1000kw is just around the corner). Still standing my ground ;-)

[@alexishart1989]

This reminds me of the last annual meeting of the Edinburgh Phrenological Society in 1870. They kept having them every year, long after it had become a joke. In the end, even the die-hard faithful faced reality, however.

[@BarneyValenzuela]

The engine alone has over a thousand parts ...Cha Ching!! Now for truckers it would be great but driving with a hydrogen bomb. The Electric Vehicle is evolving at the highest level of the world's best engineers...exponentially. it is leaving the combustion engine / dinosaur technology in the dust.

[@bobclarke9265]

Hydrogen will be the go to fuel for HGVs, JCB have gone that way after trying to a battery 360 machine and finding it was completely useless on a construction site

[@ed1011]

ICE still play a big role in large trucks among others. EV can't economically scaled up to larger industrial vehicles.

[@paulstubbs7678]

Maybe not, there is a largish electric ferry, and there is one of those massive ore truck also electric, actually it appears the aviation industry is the hardest, as in large passenger/cargo planes

[@BarneyValenzuela]

What do you think powered the shuttle on the USS Starship Enterprise? ...a diesel engine? Or a VW Volkswagen twin head air cooled beetle engine, maybe?

[@kalvinravn8431]

Quicker to refuel? What is the process of getting the hydrogen or I mean because I’m not a scientist do they extract the hydrogen from water and isn’t that a process that uses a lot of electricity? Maybe when Fusion Power is ready this will be a moot point because it is clean energy. The process to make a car battery like a Tesla car requires I keep seeing is made with precious materials. Could you or have you made a video that addresses these questions? I’ll watch it.

[@waynecartwright-js8tw]

Hydrogen is a real success story , after 10 years there are so many around. The UK where i live in the last decade i've seen 1. Toyota must be so proud of there achievement.

[@billhill4479]

l think you might be reading this wrong Sam. l encourage the development of green hydrogen technologies and if people want to have a conference to share information then good on them. lf Toyota wants to continue spending on it that's fine as well. Clearly most transportation will be electric going forward. That ship has already sailed in my view . The hydrogen distribution failure in the US is proof or that . However, we will need a green hydrogen industry in the future and hopefully some of this technology will find its way into that . We still may need to use hydrogen to power things like ships and maybe large generators for firming . Using the example from RethinkX of having surplus renewable energy means we will have an opportunity of produce hydrogen for very little cost that can be used in other sectors to reduce emissions further. Win win.

[@pbasswil]

If there was a serious, global effort to replace the main source of commercial H2 - steam methane reforming (SMR) - with solar-powered electrolysis, then I'd say: Go to it with Hydrogen, car makers! But green hydrogen is barely talked about, let alone pursued at economical scale.

[@petersimms4982]

Shouldn't they just imalgimate with the steam engine conference 😮

[@richdiana3663]

Hydrogen is too hard to scale up. But they blow up real good.

[@glennedwards1449]

The fatal flaw of hydrogen cars is not the distribution network that can be solved just by investing a few Billion the problem is to produce hydrogen costs more per mile in energy than a BEV. So it will always be more expensive

[@RagnarinVa]

That seems to be an odd conference to hold. Given hydrogen doesn’t have a lot of market penetration - you really can’t have a rah rah confeeenfe.

[@rb28772]

I will go to hydrogen when they figure out a way to transfer hydrogen to my house over the electric grid. No, wait.. there would still be that nuisance maintenance.😂

[@alexandermelbaus2351]

Hydrogen can produce power using combustion or fuel cell. Instead of storing electrical energy in batteries, the electrical energy is used to produce hydrogen through a process called electrolysis. While the generation and storage of hydrogen is more energy intensive, as it scales up the differences start tipping back in favour of hydrogen. Telstra have been operating them with excellent results.

[@mrmawson2438]

Evening bro

[@GaminGiga]

Hydrogen motor is still internal combustion engine.

[@pitstopman]

Palladium platinum needed ❤

[@Michael-yi4mc]

I thought that the ICE vehicles were melting?

[@freeflowtrader]

It’s harder for hydrogen at the moment, because people are usually anticipating next year production, if it’s not commercially available next year it just feels like a scam. It is a major step forward so I gotta congratulate the hydrogen advancements, but also concern in a sense that we have electric car for almost 15 years, the infrastructure for EV isn’t exactly ideal, not the charging but the busy city condo bylaws. In order for hydrogen charging station and supply chain to set up is probably going to be extremely hard, by the time hydrogen gets that 20% market share in China I think rest of the world are still on EV, adoptions cannot be forced or hurried due to variety of reasons, so this is essentially China have to go first and gets checked by rest of the world thing.

[@robertwhite3503]

Condo dwellers will want cheap electricity charging. The laws and facilities will need to change. It's not too difficult once there's a momentum for change. Unless robo taxi gets there first.

[@freeflowtrader]

@@robertwhite3503 its grid man, imagine 4K ev charging at the same time in condo parkinglot type of space and condo units using electricity the same time, grid would fry. Even if its 4K computer outlet without being level 2

[@robertwhite3503]

@@freeflowtrader Yes they say that at major sports events everyone gets a hot drink at the same time. That does require a lot of electricity. However running an extra line to the parking area will be fine. I have never heard an energy company say they can't meet the demand. Like all businesses they want growth.

[@jackdbur]

Electricity use goes super low from 10pm to 6am with smart charges this will be when most cars will charge or in sunny conditions during the middle of the day solar is super abundant!

[@carlosegonzalez678]

“Why make simple reliable vehicles when you can make complicated ones.”Some German engineer

[@davidandrews8007]

I know Shell in Ontario was going to build a liquid gas refinery because of U.S. goverment. The project was cancelled

[@dicky-duck6632]

The proverb commonly said by Chinese people is: "Only children make choices; adults want everything." "Only small countries need to choose a certain technology; large countries must develop all technologies."

[@moss550]

I believe the Chinese strategy is to replace all private cars and inner city trucks with EVs. But intercity or Interstate (thousands of km range) HGV as well as ships will go hydrogen or LPG. The Chinese primary motivation for going green is geopolitical energy security, whereas environmental conservation is only secondary. As such, their objective is to rid themselves of their dependency on imported oil ASAP, and if hydrogen ICE is faster to market than ultra high energy density batteries for long range trucks, they will invest in hydrogen in parallel.

[@Boris_Chang]

Burning hydrogen (mixed with oxygen) in an internal combustion engine, is essentially replacing gasoline with rocket fuel. Economics aside, are these guys seriously suggesting rocket fuel burning cars is the future?

[@i6power30]

Ice still has a place in military

[@Michael-yi4mc]

How about the rest of us?

[@John-FourteenSix]

Wooperdy doo. That’s another reason to stop using it then.

[@natecarte6807]

Correct. Until they can make batteries as energy dense as petrol, it will continue to be used in warfare. Better that than being used by everyone.

[@paulstubbs7678]

@@Michael-yi4mc Why, it's just a repeat of what happened when horses lost out to ICE

[@paulstubbs7678]

With a life expectancy of only a few hours on the battlefield, maybe your right, However all the refuelling infrastructure is a problem on the battlefield, it tends to burn/explode really well.

[@geirvinje2556]

Norway with 5 2 million people. If they change every car to Hydrogen. You would need 12 times more hydrogen stations than energy stations. This will cost 3-4 times more than the biggest oil fond in the world, owning 1,5% of all the stocks in the world. A hydrogen tank explode 0,34% a year. So, 2-4 hydrogen stations would explode every day. I think that they need to have their meeting beside the biggest hydrogen thanks in the world. If they put in 300 hydrogen tanks, thus nonsens is gone in some years tops.

[@SAYID697]

Most so-called Hydrogen cars do not have an ICE, they rather use Hydrogen to charge fuel cells (which is something close to a hydrogen battery as opposed to a conventional Li ion battery) to produce electricity that is in turn used to run electric motors as the main drive directly (or charge a Li-ion battery for the electric motors to run of). The idea of burning SOLELY Hydrogen directly in an ICE is quite uncommon to say the least.

[@robertwhite3503]

So you're saying this combustion engine conference is irrelevant?

[@jackdbur]

Not to burst your hydrogen bubble BUT pressure cylinders & tubing at 400bar are only good for 10 years with gasses that don't cause hydrogen embrittlement! 😮😢 fool (fuel) cells use catalysts to get better results and these catalysts degrade & your fuel cell will have to be replaced. 😢 Fool cell vehicles still require a Battery pack and because it is small it suffers a high degradation rate!😢 If you toss that hydrogen rubbish you get a BEV with a significant battery pack that even at 80% will still make 200 miles😅😊

[@andreandre1051]

👍👍

[@ericbold2738]

lol. It's like saying "I'm straight" in 2024.

[@user-cw9em3mo3w]

Everyday i see videos that say BEV ard dead and new Breakthroughs in powertrain and Hydrogen powered cars and trucks are the future but those same people never mention anything about the infrastructure and scaling up the fuel stations,. It is all CLICK BAIT!

[@andynguyen144]

Isn't this the same guy that said Toyota will be bankrupt and its over for all ICE and Hybrid? Boy 2022 2023 and q1 2024 sure proved otherwise 😂 I wonder how ev sales are doing in 2024 so far ?

[@singed8853]

Sounds about as legit as Tesla battery day.