2025 Vital MX 450 Shootout

[@vitalmx]

Article will be live on October 16th!

[@jarredtremain4644]

G'day fella's. Don't get me wrong I love my mx racing even these day's but I think 4strokes ruined sport abit. It costs more, not as fun too ride or listen too. So many private tracks and riding areas were shut down once introduced. It's funny how most people that ride hard enduro or for fun are still riding 2bangas. Avagud1

[@DerekHallman]

the Yamaha is just so good!

[@Roger.T]

Shut the hell up derek you know fine well Yamahas are trash, not only that the worst sounding bikes ever made, sound like a wet soggy fart. 🗑️

[@2wheels1love21]

MXA was talking about durability issues. Isn’t Yamaha the most bulletproof?

[@EVH-s5h]

Fantastic review , very thorough . I thought back to the Swapmoto shootout and it was like Deja vu , all 5 or 6 of their test riders also said after riding and testing all the bikes when you jump on the YZ at the end it just feels head and shoulders above anything else out there and that's exactly what all of Vitals test riders thought as well . One thing that was not mentioned that is important to some people is Yamaha's Power Tuner App , extensively updated for 2025 - more functionality, a wider range of adjustment, improved interface. Three (3) Settings Types: Fuel Injection (FI) and Ignition (IG), Traction Control and Launch Control, bike monitoring including race log, failure diagnostics, machine status, bike speed, throttle opening, engine speed, fuel consumption, water temperature, intake air temperature and battery voltage. Best of all the power tuner app is free which is not the case with the other bikes.

[@JacobMX222]

What nonsense are you even talking lmao Yamahas are terrible

[@masonhaneline]

Just picked up my 2025 yz450f the other day and I absolutely love it so far

[@kamrenburns3490]

Does it have phone mapping?

[@kc4412]

Ironically, if Kawi made a 350, they would sell every one of them.

[@kurtheidelbach]

Yamaha will make one before Kawi does

[@mxr248]

A Yamaha 350 would be way better than any other brand. They should just make the motor and slam it in this chassis !

[@toddrobison8929]

Man if every manufacturer made 350s they'd sell out

[@rbb2519]

They should all make 350s and have a 350 class. That would be interesting

[@MikeyP82sf]

You guys should try and replicate a blind test somehow! Cover the fenders, engine cases, etc. in some sort of neutral, but unobstructive material so that we break up the lines and logos. I'm just curious what the "blind" test result would be. I know that's easier said than done, but definitely worth the effort.

[@dylanp9211]

Honda and Yamaha the best 🔥🔥 definitely always been my two favorites. Idk which id get if i got a 2025, a new crf450r or yz450f. Great shootout vitalmx!

[@EVH-s5h]

Keefer does a test between these exact two bikes . Lots of insight on which one people should choose . Bottom line is you can't go wrong with either.

[@fudidle]

dont know what they mean by "the suzuki hasnt changed since 2018" they literally changed an entire number from 2024 to 2025. we need to know how that feels.

[@jpesicka492]

Spongbob Squarepants once said, “Hey Patrick, you know what’s better than 24?…………………… twenty-fiiiive.”

[@clintonbeevers878]

Yes, Include the Suzuki!!

[@ridemx323]

Great job. We’ve know what the Suzuki has for the last 19273702 years. We’re good on that.

[@LukeDupin]

I'm so happy that Honda has improved the geometry. I went from a 14 to a 24 this year (250r). I'm going to wait until 26 and then get one of those. the Gen4 frame is "good" but worse than the Gen3 frame. These Gen5's sound awesome.

[@erasmodelira3247]

Parabéns!!! Ótimo vídeo e ótima comparação que pelo menos uma vez deixou a KTM em terceiro, e a Honda e segundo!!! Diferente do MXA que sempre coloca a KTM em primeiro lugar, exceto o ano que a Yamaha atualizou tudo a foi 2024 !!

[@chuckles2031]

Sorry I missed a part. Were any of the engine packages linear ?

[@Dusty65]

Absolutely LoVe that YZ 450!! & most dependable bulletproof machine out there to boot...again, the one thing i'm really disappointed w/Yamaha about is that dark(ink) color blue. ALL the other manufacturers are bright light standout colors. Please finally change it to the grabber blue of the old Japanese factory bikes. They would look much lighter & command more well-deserved attention from a distance. *Other than that, you're killin' it!!!

[@EVH-s5h]

Best thing to do of you plan on spending the money on one of these bikes . MAKE SURE you test ride each one , there is no better way to know for sure than that . I read about people buying a bike because the ones they wanted to test wasn't available , DON'T MAKE THAT MISTAKE wait until it is available . Nothing worse than spending hard earned money and finding out you like another bike a lot more .

[@todd-jp1mf]

Where do you get to test ride a dirt bike? They're no shops around me that will let you do that

[@ttole727]

@@todd-jp1mfcould be difficult to be able to ride them all but maybe if you have friends or people you ride with you can try theirs?

[@ttole727]

And if you have any local Mx tracks I would check with them. Some have demo days. In the past year I was able to demo a few different Yamahas, ktms, and kawi. Local dealers will come with demo bikes or the manufacturer will send reps out with a few models

[@soulfulterrain3143]

Riding all bikes is not possible for some people. Most don't have access to all brands.

[@SteveMoto622]

Beta,Ducati and Triumph next year still Yamaha 🤔

[@jpesicka492]

Triumph is such a good looking bike. The 250F sounds so good at the local track.

[@michaelmartin2912]

I want to talk about the Suzuki. The RMZ 450. I wanna know what Suzuki needs to do to be a better bike. I know it's not new. I know they haven't changed a thing. I just like to know what people think about it. And what would be on their wish list? Thank you

[@Bruce.Wallace]

KYB A-Kit shock and more HP. Makes it a great bike.

[@MX-CO]

If a couple of small things were done to the bikes say even $1000 budget per bike. Would that change the results?

[@jpesicka492]

Suspension

[@wroomfn2414]

i think with minor engine changes kawi could overcome ktm and maybe honda because kawi’s chassis is really comfortable, predicteble and easy to ride in both agressive and soft riding styles. 1000$ would not change anything to austrian bikes because even if you replace air fork with spring fork (what costs more than 1000$ haha) the shock is still just cheap piece of crap. i would say, ktm is a great overall bike but it is not the best in any aspect. steel frame feels stable but heavy sometimes comparing to alluminum frames, engine is easy to ride but sometimes it is difficult to rev it fast to get the power. probably the best bikes to invest 1k$ are kawi and honda because they have great chassis, average suspension (not great in stock form but tunable) and they just lack some horsepower)) but, if you invest this money to yamaha you can get the perfect bike for yourself because with this investment you are not trying to fix the bike’s weaknesses. with this money you’re building a machine depending on your riding style and preferences and this is what makes yz the perfect choice (in my opinion)

[@dustinkeim179]

Add 1000 in upgrades to a RMZ 🤔

[@MX-CO]

@dustinkeim179 add it on each bike in areas it may be needed Like KTM add spring fork conversion. On Suzuki, pipe and ecu upgrades. Other bikes just what would help the most

[@dustinkeim179]

@@MX-CO I’m just saying , left over RMZ450’s are going for 5800 out my way

[@isaiahwoodbury5205]

I’m either gonna get the kx and do engine mods to make it faster or get the yz and do whatever i can to make it slower. I really want the KYB suspension but every time i ride a yz450 it wants to rip my arms off.

[@bobetts2748]

Right on 👍

[@MikeFox135]

Shootout between the Yamaha and the works edition bikes?🤔

[@ethanfarrow5055]

Always loved Yamaha more than all other bikes if had to pick other be Kawasaki or Honda that my opinion of riding diff race bike manufacturers

[@mazza159]

Would a KTM with KYB spring kit be better than a Yammy? Feel like KTMs brake and handle better but dont have as good suspension. Is it easier to upgrade KTM suspension of YZF brakes and frame to make it handle better ....All the bikes seem good these days coming from 22 KX450

[@vitalmx]

The KYb conversion on the KTM is REALLY GOOD!

[@2wheels1love21]

Which bike is the most bulletproof?

[@enzoandrade219]

Thanks for the info.What positions would you guys change if the motor wasnt considered when scoring the bikes? And do you have any idea of when you will release the 250 shootout and the kx250 in deep review?

[@cpellett20]

Has there been any rumours about Honda getting the app for engine tuning? That would be sweet

[@The_Snowbike_Channel]

No Triumph 450 in your hands yet? Looking forward to that review. Best power to weight ratio claimed.

[@vitalmx]

Triumph 450 intro is in three weeks!

[@davidciesielski8251]

Thanks, really a great job!!!!!!

[@mikeanderson3589]

I have watched all the reviews on the 450s this year. They are all different. The Husky was last here. 1st in the dirt bike review.

[@Roger.T]

Never trust Vital, Swapmoto or Dirtrider for ANY kind of bike review, all 3 are extremely biased towards Yamaha and will never take that bike off the No1 spot until the partnership comes to an end, none of them are genuine, scummy tactics to deceive the public.

[@vitalmx]

@@Roger.T Did you know that every OEM advertises with us?...

[@Roger.T]

@@vitalmx Every OEM advertises you yet you only play specifically Yamaha commercials on all your videos? who are you trying to kid, sometimes its best just to stay quiet.

[@EVH-s5h]

@@Roger.T Roger is a KTM DIEHARD and says only the reviewers who pick the KTM are legit .

[@EVH-s5h]

@@Roger.T WRONG AGAIN ROGER .

[@HyperEmoto]

I think all of them are so similar that at this point, the color in your peripheral vision makes the rider faster?

[@jimmyharris135]

next test/shoot out should be the top 3 plus a ktm 350 and a stark varg.

[@whiteknight1246]

Id be curious where the KTM 250SX and the KTM350SX-F would rate in this group.

[@vitalmx]

In heads up performance, the 250 SX would be last. The 350 might beat a bike or two.

[@christerstefansson3249]

Did you have novice and vet testriders in the shootout or was it only intermediet and pro ?

[@vitalmx]

One test rider was Vet novice, one was vet intermediate, two were ex pros, and one local intermediate/expert.

[@Roger.T]

@@vitalmxYou forgot to mention all where told to be extra nice to the Yamaha, ya’ll are absolute clowns, no one takes your videos seriously 😂😂

[@dn059]

Hard to beleive ktm is still putting airfork in theyr bikes at this point...😂

[@Zulululu4x]

They lost it lol

[@stevesmith756]

The air fork sucks

[@Roger.T]

@@stevesmith756Thats why Yamaha won their first premier championship in 16 years when ferrandis ran the air for the entire outdoor season in 2021 after how dominant KTM had been been using the air fork, you guys are on another level of being absolutely clueless 🫵😂

[@stevesmith756]

@@Roger.T it’s a hybrid air fork not a traditional one

[@stevesmith756]

@@Roger.T air forks still suck

[@thefridaynetwork]

where's the Bultaco?

[@Madtigertv]

Sherco = Bultaco x Sherpa

[@gertscheper9653]

In spain.

[@stevesmith756]

I want to see the new Pursangs 😂

[@KyleSchwanz]

Thinking of buying a Kawi. My 18 crf450 is a rocket and hard to ride at times. Looking for an easier to ride 450.

[@KyleSchwanz]

I’ll keep that in mind, thanks!

[@murraywiles]

@@KyleSchwanz go Suzuki they are the best 450

[@anthonycavalliotis8736]

You a good Rider.

[@markwilson8949]

Hows the article going still waiting for 24,s

[@keirhamilton5397]

How does the husqvarna ride lower in the stroke the stroke when the fork internal rod and chamber ar shorter to suit outer tubes, and the rear shock is the the same length as the ktm shock so can't see how it rides lower in the stroke

[@vitalmx]

Rides lower be cause the setting is softer. The shock is slightly shorter in shaft stroke and the linkage is different, cutting the rest of the stroke change.

[@excuter90]

Please import somehow the TM and add it one year to the shootout! It will be veryyyy interesting!

[@MartinezHQ]

I’m looking for a bike that feels low in the front end. I’m riding a 23 Kawi 450 and the front end feels high. I’m as low as I can go with the forks in the triple clamps and as stiff as possible in the rear with rebound favoring the slowing end on the forks. Front end stills feels high. Do any of the other brands feel lower in the front end from ya’lls experience? Thanks in advance for anyone’s input 🙏.

[@tcmx712]

Suzuki is with Honda not much different

[@rz912]

The Suzuki feels very planted in the front end. Some say it has a stinkbug feel but it’s likes to run with a bit more sag than most

[@MartinezHQ]

@@rz912 I’m actually coming off a 2014 RMZ450, then switch to the KX450. Now that you say this I guarantee I’m looking for that same front end the RMZ had 🤦‍♂️.

[@NICEEGUYproduction]

I bought the 2025 yz450f monster edition and love it I'm comen from a 22 ktm 450sxf factory edition and still miss that ktm feel but I think the yz450f has not alot of bottom end power in my opinion but everything else it does great

[@ralpheckardt4822]

Just wondering if you like the suspension, I’m considering one about 195 pounds vet intermediate rider

[@EVH-s5h]

You might be the only person on the planet that says the YZ doesn't have much low end LOL.

[@winterfriction]

Where´s the Husaberg?!

[@winterfriction]

@@Sleepy.Time. Those damn Aussies!

[@Prisonmike89]

Roger and KTM need to drag the Dungey chassis back out the shed and start from there.

[@jarrod1766]

Dont really like the logic about the suzuki. 1. Just because the other models have had updates doesnt mean the test riders couldnt potentially like them worse. Its rate but manufacturers can screw things up. 2. Also tastes change over time so wven if you have the same test riders their opinions could change. To be through I think you test all the bikes you can get your hands on

[@kurtheidelbach]

LOL they have many many years of being last. Can’t believe they didn’t stop reviewing them years ago

[@EVH-s5h]

How many times do you want Suzuki to be embarrassed ? Suzuki corp requested that their bikes NOT BE INCLUDED in these shootouts .

[@jarrod1766]

@@EVH-s5h I think the point is to be through and informative to the consumer

[@theslobber8475]

WHY THERE IS NO SUZUKI ?

[@murraywiles]

MLS is scared it will win the shootout, ask kenny r

[@donmiller8716]

Why does everyone say the Huskies are an inch shorter when they are only 10 mm, that's not even a half inch? I have a 23 TC 125 and a 24.5 fc250 RE and there's not that much difference

[@MX-CO]

@donmiller8716 I've never ridden one, but to hear all the shootouts talk about it, they make it sound like a big difference

[@roostfezza7563]

Only a couple of years ago it was compliments all round for the lower suspension.

[@yukonjon5964]

if you cut 3/8" off a spring, and off the shock shaft, and a few mm off the linkage arm... then sit on the bike with the sag set to spec for both bikes... the spring rate is decreased, the shock is now at a greater percent of its total travel for that amount of motion, which then reduces the time the linkage has to increase the leverage ratio on the shock. that leverage ratio moves the progression to a later point in the travel and this gives the feeling of softer settings, but it's just delaying the progression because it needed the space to do so. when all said and done the bike sits about 1 inch lower during riding than the KTM, while having nothing to do with subframe or seat height changes. this is either good or bad depending on how tall or heavy or fast one may be. so yes, it's more than the 10 mm, but it may not be obvious till you ride ruts etc. buy the bike that works for you.

[@barnescycle]

Heck ya

[@scotto_123]

Mxa 450 shootout views 128,000.

[@vitalmx]

Their’s has been up for three weeks, this one has been up for less than 24 hours.

[@EVH-s5h]

MXA lost all credibility with me . They raved about the Yami the last two years and raved about it's power . This year the bike is considerably better and the power is the same just easier to control but MXA says it's overpowered .

[@Johnny_Hopper]

go blue crew

[@thecornerplugorders5407]

No Ducati?

[@johndepperschmidt8984]

Vet riders consider a Stark like a 450 and it should be in future shootouts. Keefer thinks the Beta is one of the best, it's a shame the '25 didn't make it in time.

[@vitalmx]

Conversation with Keefer points to otherwise...

[@johndepperschmidt8984]

@@vitalmx It's online.

[@Skippy168]

tough look for that test rider when that supermini riders rails the outside past him. Good thing that bike tested badly! hahaha We've all been there!

[@Sustrii]

I have Yamahas, several of them, all bought new and I can say that since 2009 I don't like the bike. I keep buying them because of the partnership that was built over the years. For me the peak stock was 2005, the 06 model with the Rinaldi 479kit is my bike of election. Brands should not sell RTR bikes and allow us to build what we need. Right now if i was free I would go for the frame and engine of beta 480 and the x trainer for hard Enduro.

[@bzs203]

bike shoot outs are meaningless that are based on opinion by a small group of people who probably are sponsored by various manufacturers. Plus, they are not ridden in different parts of the country on different types of dirt and different climatic conditions. A high percentage of people who want a 450, can't even come close to pushing any of the bikes to their limits. All the bikes are good, Suzuki and Beta included. Buy what you like.

[@EVH-s5h]

They aren't meaningless at all , they are very very helpful .

[@AverageRider717]

🤘

[@NickW90]

Read the link in the description, which you never post 😂

[@markdawson8946]

Where’s Whoppi Goldberg?

[@dustinkeim179]

Leftover RMZ450’s are going for 5800 out my way just saying 🤣

[@kurtheidelbach]

And KTM for $7500 so I still wouldn’t by a Suzuki

[@Moreno1609]

Yamaha is paying good 😂

[@G10yamaha]

Triumph will be Top2 .. So much better than my Yamaha and it kills me to say it

[@TheHypnotstCollector]

Ducati?

[@vitalmx]

It's a prototype bike that isn't available to the public...

[@TheHypnotstCollector]

@@vitalmx thanks.

[@lespaul1427]

Where is the Suzuki?

[@murraywiles]

Winning races not pointless shootouts

[@lw3918]

3 of them are exactly the same bike.

[@Tguzzzy]

when all media sources are partnered with Yamaha 😂

[@NathanRoberts-d4o]

MXA? Are you a little KTM fanboy?

[@alondite215]

Or maybe it's just the best bike and you're butthurt because you subscribe to idiotic brand loyalty instead of just buying whatever is best. Ah but I forgot, whatever _you_ like has to be the best, otherwise they're just paid off!

[@Zulululu4x]

Lol I swear

[@daveyboy7305]

Perhaps one is better than the other

[@NathanRoberts-d4o]

@@Tguzzzy I’m loyal to Yamaha but that’s because their consistently much better for the price

[@Scotto]

ANOTHER ONE.

[@Red916GIANT]

Doesnt Beta pay Vital advertising money? Cant even include it?

[@vitalmx]

Every major OEM, minus Suzuki, run ads on our website.

[@Red916GIANT]

@@vitalmx Well well, let's hope they (Beta) have a better contender next year!

[@sdb92]

Screw them euro bikes. I’ll never buy one! But, it’s good to have more competition. With that said, it’s HONDA or YAMAHA for me…🤙🏻😉

[@Roger.T]

Imagine admitting choosing Japanese garbage bikes over the euros, crazy 🤪

[@sdb92]

​@@Roger.T Hmm…Imagine being stupid enough to buy those pricey fugly euro POS thinking they’re the best. Very clueless and moronic to say the very least…🤦🏻‍♂

[@sdb92]

@ Roger.T 🤡 Hmm. But, Image being so stupid by buying those fugly euro POS thinking they’re the best bikes…? Very clueless and moronic to say the very least…🤦🏻‍♂

[@sdb92]

@. Roger.T 🤡 Hmm. But, Image being so stupld by buying those f ugly euro P 0 S thinking they’re the best bikes…? Very clueless and m0 r0nic to say the very least…🤦🏻‍♂

[@sdb92]

@ Roger.T 🤡 Hmm. But, Image being so stupld by buying those f ugly euro P 0 S thinking they’re the best bikes…? Very clueless and m0 r0nic to say the very least…🤦🏻‍♂

[@suzu144]

are the rumours i heard about the yamaha true? many bikes with gear/engine problem at 50-60 hours?

[@Dusty65]

You're definitely confused, that would be Suzuki(at 25-30hrs). Yamaha is more dependable & mechanically sound than ANY of the others, even with major modifications. Although, the point being- it doesn't need aftermarket parts to kick ass. 😎

[@kelvis1980]

​@Dusty65 no i have heard there has been some issues with yamaha. Something is off a little in the drive train. And people have grenaded them.

[@Dusty65]

@@kelvis1980 there's nothing to substantiate that rumor, i just wasted a bunch of time trying to find one example. Not one. Maybe that's why it's a rumor...y'know, like Kamala's smart?🤔

[@Roger.T]

@@Dusty65What dumb nonsense are you even saying? My buddy bought a 2023 Yz250f that blew a hole through the bottom of the engine after 7.5 hours, my local dealers have Yamahas & Kawasakis rolling through the doors daily needing more than just a bit of maintenance with barely even 30 hours on the bike, unreliable japanese trash, simple as that.

[@stevesmith756]

@@Roger.T air forks still suck and you didn’t tell me squat

[@team2sick765]

Yamaha the woke bike

[@jgs1703]

I bet you are a ktm rider. Yamaha still makes 2 strokes and is a woke company? Clown

[@EVH-s5h]

@@jgs1703 Yamaha is as anti woke as they come which I really really appreciate .

[@bfondon]

Everyone raves about the Yamaha, and this feels like a silly thing to complain about but I can't stand the front fender and the ugly radiator shrouds.

[@roycelovato7425]

The BETA 450 is a better bike out the box then kawi husky n gas gas I think ur channel is bias toward who pays for video time

[@vitalmx]

@@roycelovato7425 beta is larger advertiser for us than all three OEMs you mentioned in your comment.

[@jayreynolds57]

Wheres the beta?

[@blizzard71]

yah ok..see yah

[@shadowkick2852]

Where's Suzuki??!!!!!!!

[@anthonycavalliotis8736]

It's gone Man.

[@gertscheper9653]

Japan

[@Dusty65]

Maybe next year...

[@markprzybylowski2553]

Stuck in 2018?

[@Dusty65]

Where's the Hodaka?🤔

[@bigchaloopa]

Captain America rides one.

[@christophervillarreal8565]

When are you guys going to do a 100 hour no maintenance shootout to see which of these bikes is the most reliable seeing as how that’s one of the most important things for the average consumer….

[@vitalmx]

No maintenance shootout? Every single bike here would have a mechanical issue by around the 10-15 hour mark with no oil changes and no air filter changes.

[@christophervillarreal8565]

@ wrong they’ve torture tested ktm with unbelievable results. If these bikes can’t even go 15 hours without needing maintenance done that’s pathetic! I don’t service my 22 450 until at least 20 hours sometimes 30 or more and have had zero issues going on 130 hours, raced and won 25b and 35b championship in my local series.

[@clintonbeevers878]

Where's the Suzuki??

[@Dusty65]

@@clintonbeevers878 Hmmmn, for that matter- where's the Hodaka?

[@murraywiles]

On top of the winners triangle