21. Dr David Buss on Evolutionary Psychology- The Michael Sartain Podcast

Dr David M Buss (IG: @ProfDavidBuss) is one of the foremost evolutionary psychologists in all of academia. He was named one of “The 50 Most Influential Living Psychologists in the World” by TheBestSchools.org. He received a PhD In psychology from UC Berkeley, he was previously on the staff at Harvard and is currently a professor at the University of Texas at Austin. He’s the author of several books including, The Evolution of Desire, The Murderer Next Door, Why Women Have Sex and When Men Behave Badly.
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0:00 Intro
1:08 A testable model of psychology
2:12 There’s no such thing as a non-evolutionary psychology
4:04 evolution of psychology answer certain questions and it has a cumulative nature
4:39 Evolutionary psychology is testable and falsifiable
6:00 evolutionarily psychology provides the only cogent meta-theoretical framework In the social sciences
6:56 37 culture study, universal preferences
8:58 Virginity preferences
9:53 *Universal sex differences predicted by evolutionary psychology
13:17 EP makes sense in almost every case
15:04 We create cultural products that correspond with our EP
16:42 Dr Buss on a date
17:41 Evolutionary Psychology versus The Blank Slate Model
20:12 The Manosphere, Red Pill, Incels, Anger towards women
23:38 Preselection = Mate choice copying
26:02 Dan Bilzerian and Social Media
28:37 Fake followers and blue checks
29:20 Can men and women be friends?
32:27 The Friend Zone
34:10 Duel Mating Hypothesis vs Mate Switching Hypothesis (Why women have affairs)
38:00 EP is a falsifiable framework and not a dogma
40:49 Genghis Khan and switching mates
43:12 When women cheat their intention is to end the relationship
43:52 Back Up Mating Hypothesis
46:53 *Pushback against Evolutionary Psychology
50:30 Physical Appearance, Make-up, Age Gap
53:48 Gold Diggers
54:46 A man’s attractiveness is based on context
55:44 “Why Women Have Sex”
58:59 The variety of what women find attractive
1:00:00 Offended by Evolution
1:02:10 “Media Brainwashing”
1:03:25 Kim Kardashian’s Booty
1:04:28 Plastic Surgery
1:08:03 300,000 years of human evolution vs 15 years of Facebook
1:09:34 Natural Section acts like a sieve
1:11:03 Is human evolution over? Evolutionary Pressure
1:14:33 Jealousy as an adaptive evolutionary strategy
1:18:00 Long term vs short term mating strategies
1:19:52 Beer goggles: The Closing Time Effect
1:21:40 Women are attracted to fit men, not muscle bound
1:22:18 The Dark Triad
1:23:56 Zone of Conflict between the sexes
1:26:03 Photoshop, FaceApp, Coconut Kitty 143
1:30:22 Collaborating with Dr Cindy Meston
1:34:50 *Dick pics
1:36:36 Dr Gad Saad
1:38:32 Joe Rogan, Lex Friedman, Tim Ferris
1:39:49 “The Murderer Next Door”
1:44:30 “The Sociopath Next Door”
1:45:34 Where does narcissism fit in evolution?
1:46:34 Male over perception bias
1:47:00 Dating anxiety
1:49:50 Monogamish
1:51:48 Female under perception bias
1:54:21 Kindly, CJ Sparxx, at #MeToo
1:56:19 “When Men Behave Badly”
1:58:53 Men more likely to sexually harass women
2:00:56 Loser males
2:01:34 The gift of Evolutionary Psychology
2:03:38 Best BBQ in Austin

[@MichaelSartain]

0:00 Intro 1:08 A testable model of psychology 2:12 There’s no such thing as a non-evolutionary psychology 4:04 evolution of psychology answer certain questions and it has a cumulative nature 4:39 Evolutionary psychology is testable and falsifiable 6:00 evolutionarily psychology provides the only cogent meta-theoretical framework In the social sciences 6:56 37 culture study, universal preferences 8:58 Virginity preferences 9:53 *Universal sex differences predicted by evolutionary psychology 13:17 EP makes sense in almost every case 15:04 We create cultural products that correspond with our EP 16:42 Dr Buss on a date 17:41 Evolutionary Psychology versus The Blank Slate Model 20:12 The Manosphere, Red Pill, Incels, Anger towards women 23:38 Preselection = Mate choice copying 26:02 Dan Bilzerian and Social Media 28:37 Fake followers and blue checks 29:20 Can men and women be friends? 32:27 The Friend Zone 34:10 Duel Mating Hypothesis vs Mate Switching Hypothesis (Why women have affairs) 38:00 EP is a falsifiable framework and not a dogma 40:49 Genghis Khan and switching mates 43:12 When women cheat their intention is to end the relationship 43:52 Back Up Mating Hypothesis 46:53 *Pushback against Evolutionary Psychology 50:30 Physical Appearance, Make-up, Age Gap 53:48 Gold Diggers 54:46 A man’s attractiveness is based on context 55:44 “Why Women Have Sex” 58:59 The variety of what women find attractive 1:00:00 Offended by Evolution 1:02:10 “Media Brainwashing” 1:03:25 Kim Kardashian’s Booty 1:04:28 Plastic Surgery 1:08:03 300,000 years of human evolution vs 15 years of Facebook 1:09:34 Natural Section acts like a sieve 1:11:03 Is human evolution over? Evolutionary Pressure 1:14:33 Jealousy as an adaptive evolutionary strategy 1:18:00 Long term vs short term mating strategies 1:19:52 Beer goggles: The Closing Time Effect 1:21:40 Women are attracted to fit men, not muscle bound 1:22:18 The Dark Triad 1:23:56 Zone of Conflict between the sexes 1:26:03 Photoshop, FaceApp, Coconut Kitty 143 1:30:22 Collaborating with Dr Cindy Meston 1:34:50 *Dick pics 1:36:36 Dr Gad Saad 1:38:32 Joe Rogan, Lex Friedman, Tim Ferris 1:39:49 “The Murderer Next Door” 1:44:30 “The Sociopath Next Door” 1:45:34 Where does narcissism fit in evolution? 1:46:34 Male over perception bias 1:47:00 Dating anxiety 1:49:50 Monogamish 1:51:48 Female under perception bias 1:54:21 Kindly, CJ Sparxx, at #MeToo 1:56:19 “When Men Behave Badly” 1:58:53 Men more likely to sexually harass women 2:00:56 Loser males 2:01:34 The gift of Evolutionary Psychology 2:03:38 Best BBQ in Austin

[@biobelewilliam-west1310]

Did Dr.Buss taught at Stanford

[@ukr009]

I would like to translate his book in my native language and print it on a local market. Can you help to provide contact information of a Dr Buss to get legal procedure about it?

[@Nonamethankyou128]

Find yourself someone that looks at you the way Michael looks at Dr. Buss

[@villaespesa1]

😆 LOL Rollo Tommassi is also a huge fan, can't wait for him to team up with the Dr.

[@TerrellThinksThrowBack]

😂😂😂

[@Mik.189]

😂😂😂😂

[@Chrsboling]

😂

[@darioazul]

Rare event: Mr. Sartain having a fan-boy moment. Dr. Buss is such a fascinating researcher.

[@stealth797]

Fuck yeah this is the episode I've been waiting for. My favorite part of every Michael Sartain podcast is when he talks evolutionary psychology, so for him to have a convo with one of the GOATs in that field is epic af.

[@getstarted7168]

1:09:32 talking 40,000 generations. So awesome we made it this far. Sometimes I like to sit quietly and just honor my ancestors, thinking they are standing like a posse behind me, that they are cheering me on. Feels good!

[@cdula26]

Your ancestors didn’t hunt wolverines and mammoths in -20 degree temperatures and die for you to have a Pokémon profile picture on KZbin

[@thedrj2009]

Same. Feels good man.

[@yang5843]

Mike’s pupils are the most dilated I have ever seen when he talks to this man

[@christiansalinas8680]

Lol! That focus

[@MichaelSartain]

I’m pretty sure my eyes are black and you cannot see if they are dilated.

[@dyecaster9341]

I am so interested in hearing a full podcast on free will. No one has covered this topic comprehensively for us. Also, finally someone has mentioned the magic word I have always insisted upon. "context". Context is king. In almost any men-female mating dynamics.

[@naturelove7621]

@@MichaelSartain perception tho

[@Razear]

I love how happy he is that Buss dropped references to Kim Kardashian, Kanye West, Bitcoin, and Eminem. lmao.

[@DimitriTheBarbarian]

And don’t forget - d*ck picks!!

[@dieltotor]

Yeah and it was a bit condescending? Like "hey look grandpa knows about Kim K's butt" 😆 but the man is sharp Great interview tho

[@deepshadow1]

you see in your eyes how excited you were for this guest. great interview

[@SilentProfessional666]

Yes, his eyes were shining.

[@TitanXJoe]

#1 Podcast

[@joeljohnson4465]

Wanted to add some further insight. So evolutionarily psychology is based on masses of the average response. For example, when it comes to status, there are different categories of status which isn’t mentioned above. You have social status, economic status and mating status. There are others but those are primary. Mating status is separate from the other 2 and is based on “polarity” is sexual attraction. Most men display social status or economic status(wealth) when it comes to attraction but polarity (mating status) has a higher influence on feminine attraction than the other status’. If a man embodies the healthy traits of the masculine such as leadership, assertiveness, confidence, strength, ambition and freedom of sexual expression, the emotional influence on attracting the feminine is unmatched. Because, those traits activate the other aspects of selection with women on the emotional front. Safety, trust, respect, sex appeal and emotional connection. There are plenty of millionaires/billionaires out there that have to pay for sex because of their lack of actual mating status vs economic/social status.

[@erictang1600]

So glad David is coming on again in the future. Ever since you started the podcast, you got me really interested in evolutionary psychology, Mr. Sartain, thank you. There was so many amazing + interesting topics. It would've taken hours upon hours to go over all of them!

[@nicholashaley8568]

That was an AMAZING show! Got some new stuff from it, such as the backing away from the dual-mate strategy hypothesis. Thanks for having him on!

[@Alex-jz2zd]

I am a fan of Dr. Buss, and I have to say this is one of the best podcasts I’ve seen! Loved it

[@kasparovthegodofwar]

Great interview I'll re-read Desire this week

[@chini405]

Thanks you for introducing me to Evolutionary Psychology! Just ordered Dr. Buss’s book

[@brennan123]

Love the discussion about switching from dual mate strategy to mate insurance when new data come in that make more sense. Too often "science" is dogmatic instead of adapting to new data like it should.

[@dyecaster9341]

"new data" from a sanctioned studies, by the gynocentric biased Universities of today. Try running a study that proves the hypothesis and see whether your tenure will be renewed.

[@fifth-ape5127]

How does Sartain not have a million subscribers?. One of the best to do it right now... Keep up the great conversations and education Michael!.🧠💥

[@emiliosnic]

Wow! I didn't expect to see David Buss! Congratulations, this is huge!

[@Ernie21.]

This is such a valuable episode hope it gets more views

[@devsmt]

Stellar guest today! Thank you Micheael to bring dr. Buss to the community

[@JuanGarcia-fd4gu]

Oh hell yeah, just when I was about to wind down. 💆🏻‍♂️🔥 Was looking forward to this

[@dandangalodangalus9082]

I about fell off this damn stool when Dr Buss said “dick pics.” This is the greatest interview ever.

[@darwinmolina8531]

Amazing interview so glad i found this podcast and i have to read some of his own books. Thanks Michael

[@daniel.dijoseph]

Really enjoyed this one!

[@tomyeung9865]

This is incredible.

[@newtypehuman]

GREAT EPISODE

[@dacomeback-id5042]

This was awesome!

[@michaeljames6817]

One thing I question is how Mr. Buss contends that women who have affairs are always unhappy in their relationship. How reliable is that info? Because women often have trouble with accountability and need a good excuse, passing the blame onto their partner for example.

[@MichaelSartain]

He said 83%. 83% is not “always.”

[@michaeljames6817]

@@MichaelSartain Hyperbolically it is always. Either way the point is it's self-reported data from a guilty party, you have to take it with a grain of salt.

[@Pharomid]

​@michaeljames6817 them being unhappy doesn't mean it's not their fault. I can be unhappy in my marriage, but if I murder my partner I'm an evil person.

[@connerclark994]

This was great. Would listen for another 5 hours. Get him back on!

[@77petesgarage]

Excellent interview

[@justingayle7299]

Such a great interview. Iconoclastic!

[@unstoppablefrank]

This episode is fire!!!!

[@PooplexCanal]

Amazing conversation!

[@Ahmad-Siragy]

This was an epic one 🤛🏾

[@foreverfree2624]

Excellent podcast, great job Mike

[@Torshaa]

Love this ❤

[@j-star1]

Fascinating episode, hopefully we can him in person for part 2.

[@ShivaShaktification]

This is excellent content and KZbin should be proud to have this on its platform

[@MostAlpha]

This is an excellent pod.

[@emekaoparah8665]

Excellent subject matter. Very intriguing

[@rebeccalane5016]

Such a great conversation

[@ilian2930]

This is brilliant stuff. Long live the scientific method !!

[@Joel.guerrero]

Appreciate everything you do Michael🙏

[@mahiganti]

1:03:29 a true man of culture Sir Buss is.

[@choktmusic]

Good stuff!! Love Dr. Buss

[@erikbartlett2147]

A great podcast!! Very, very interesting stuff.

[@Ernie21.]

Commenting for the algorithm

[@niceglass3551]

46:55 THANK YOU!!

[@bmwarriors5337]

great show

[@ekoueganteko2295]

This was great.

[@BigStickCombat]

Dr. Buss is my hero. The guy is a legend in psychology.

[@ricksonsatiro]

🔥 great content

[@BlackPinoy869]

I just ordered this book. It's referenced so much that I had to get it.

[@jukijunk]

How is the book?

[@BlackPinoy869]

@@jukijunk It's good, you have to be open minded and invested to read this book.

[@dg2379]

Awesome stuff

[@diegoriosrosas1352]

Que interesante, gracias por el gran valor que aportan, un gran abrazo desde Chile

[@fabioxdue]

Yes ! Let’s go :)

[@fillup901]

I like how Michael calls him sir. It immediately implies that David is a man who commands respect. 🫡

[@jordandepaola3919]

I am really, really glad you were able to interview him, Michael. More & More guests to come (Yes, I will say it, I still think you need an assistant producer for the show.....ahem... lol)

[@Narut0Namikaze]

This would help a lot of people if it was taught on schools.

[@anismoumene9784]

David BOSS

[@SwordAgainstChaos]

“We create cultural products that correspond to our evolved psychology”.

[@schahrzadmorgan]

This is such a fabulous interview! I'm curious about the attractions not covered in this discussion such as women going for jobless irresponsible men, dating later in life, and feminism and its impact on hookup culture which leaves women generally dissatisfied.

[@isabellalora6533]

:(( yeah me too

[@emiliosnic]

"The Rational Male" builds on top of evolutionary psychology concepts and explains the game. Mainly directed towards men.

[@schahrzadmorgan]

@@emiliosnic EP is a theory developed via questionnaires and is questionable at best.

[@villaespesa1]

Mike, I know Rollo is a huge fan, it would be nice to have the Doc and Rollo together.

[@mobydick3895]

Michael, I must say, I am duly impressed with your show, your guests, and your obvious intelligence. Hats off to University of Texas, which obviously did you right! I would love to see you do a show on the night life quality of various U.S. cities. Are Vegas and Miami the only cities now where hot women migrate?

[@user-cp1xy6qw6u]

grande bro michael

[@ronaldolobatofernandes1730]

Excelente

[@colbalt95]

If you want to attract more women as a single man, wear a wedding ring. If you want to remove the fear of cold approaches, get a puppy. 🐶

[@HALOPRODIGY77]

A wedding ring?

[@NeoKurow]

36:59 THERE IT IS! the freaking truth!

[@mozer5vx7g3k]

대단히 유익한 인터뷰입니다흐 Dr Buss의 지식과 지혜에 존경과 찬사를 보냅니다 매우 매우 감사함니다흐

[@mozer5vx7g3k]

This is a very informative interview. I have great respect and admiration for Dr. Buss' knowledge and wisdom. Thank you very much. 😅

[@buddhathesagittarius9124]

how did this not blow up?

[@seangriffin7776]

I would really enjoy his perspective on hook up culture. And woman who had four kids, only oldest was husband’s. Others with hot sailors on leave. Thoughts? 😮

[@colbalt95]

Hookup culture has happened throughout developed societies in peaceful times and when humans turn away from religion. Happened in Rome and Sodom and Gomorrah. In Rome, many of the women were having sex with the gladiators.

[@jordanj.2886]

Meanwhile..the Longhorns are in the CFP..crazy how time flies

[@Thor-cq4dc]

I would be interested to know which book does Buss or Michael recommend to read first: Evolution of Desire or Evolutionary Psychology?

[@alphaatomyeshuayahwehelohi1185]

Psychology first then desire. Psychology tell you why you desire and desire tells you the different types of it.

[@BigPictureYT]

Great interview. Too made David was in a room that echoed.

[@awilliams310]

Just found you show. Amazing

[@user-yc5sg1zp2d]

Michael, you're one well-read and cool cat. It's a pleasure listening to your podcast. Leo decapacino has nothing on you, bro.

[@TheWeddle93]

Dam kinda crazy to see the cross over.

[@PooplexCanal]

46:56 Interesting point brought up about free will. Dr. Sapolsky has an interesting take on free will, and if I'm not mistaken, it is very similar to what Michael said here.

[@PooplexCanal]

57:52 Michael knows his statistics terms, nice

[@danisugimoto7458]

Hey Michael! Have you ever thought of bringing Matt Ridley (the red queen: Sex and the evolution of human nature) onto the podcast?

[@Joel.guerrero]

Haha the bitcoin, the booty, and the dating 😂

[@benlam496]

In 2021, is a homeless person still capable of finding a mate to reproduce? Is someone overly busy working 100hr a week still able to find time and energy to reproduce? It’s great that nature designed so that any alpha or beta male can reproduce… otherwise I might not be here. But people with zero money or zero time.. the extreme… it’s still very hard for them to find a mate

[@alandonsaji6673]

Let him speak dude

[@Logan24855]

Rocks Stars used to be known as Gypsie’s without much resources

[@aldenreese]

Dr. Buss: is that the Kanye song? *repeats the first line of the song*

[@rabbychan]

Shortly after this he went on JRE & Fridman, lol!

[@jackstratif6937]

42:50, okay so what evidence is there for the “mate switching hypothesis”? Is it falsifiable?

[@athiefinthenight6894]

Yeah on human evolution it is certainly not over, like whoever says that is wrong.

[@theRealAdamMalik]

Controversial opinion: bougie is short for bourgeoisie and Drake is in fact talking about equality rights in dating markets

[@marcusryden6732]

So how long until Dr. Buss is out pimpin with Michael?

[@thefidemus]

"Why women have se#" is useless because there are so many reasons why women sleep with men

[@PooplexCanal]

1:04:28 What's her name?

[@samuelwilliams7331]

Hook’em Horns

[@tonydiesel3444]

I have the world's best question is the doctor married and if he is how is that possible knowing how women truly operate and real world divorce rates and real world rates of which women initiate divorce and infidelity rates

[@JeremyHelm]

Folder of time

[@JeremyHelm]

19:34 what is the source of the causal forces?

[@JeremyHelm]

20:45 book: why beautiful people have more daughters

[@JeremyHelm]

25:23 attention structure

[@JeremyHelm]

51:26 increasing age gap

[@JeremyHelm]

54:47 context sensitive women

[@kevenhenley3424]

I have knowledge of Russian literature. Hell yea.

[@flatearthjackal9201]

Do you have a scientific experiment proving large bodies of water can curve? Or maybe a scientific experiment proving that you can have gas(air) pressure without a container? Thanks 😊

[@MichaelSartain]

Yes, we know that bodies of water and atmosphere can be held on to a large spherical body by gravity. In the case of the atmosphere we can see it on the surface of Venus, we actually have probes that I’ve landed on Venus and have photographs of the atmosphere from the ground. As far as water curving, we can see that on the surface of Saturn‘s moon Titan. So we know theoretically and empirically that it is true. Great question, thanks for helping me further prove that the earth is round.

[@flatearthjackal9201]

@@MichaelSartain I asked for a scientific experiment proving large bodies of can curve.

[@aplusmvp5264]

​@@MichaelSartain LOOL my man !

[@tonydiesel3444]

Its flat duh and non rotating

[@jasperamanuel]

Sometimes social customs can overwrite our intuition to use makeup to look healthier. Take gorhers/punkers. They idolize pale skin, dark rings around the eyes and to a certain extent unhealthy bodies.

[@razer0072073]

23:35 24:03 24:56 30:00 36:04 45:00 58:00 1:21:33 1:23:30 1:50:12 1:53:00

[@StudSupreme]

Wait - women are also oriented towards physical attraction. In other words, they are also quite visually oriented. When you hear a woman say that 'personality and kindness are more important, I don't really care about looks', she's lying both to you and herself.

[@BigStickCombat]

Dr. Buss and Dr. Seligman are the Freuds of this century.