22 Cal Brake Shootout

[@jameslovesjammie]

A VG6 Gamma brake would have been a good addition to this test.

[@drewscott3957]

Would love to see you test/compare the backfire recoil pad with the recoil reduction of the breaks.

[@Pipiaafurz]

I just thought the same thing! That would be very interesting.

[@drewscott3957]

@Pipiaafurz it would also be interesting to see a backfire recoil pad and break used together on maybe a .30 cal or something. See how low they can truly get the recoil reduced

[@garyreadler4886]

Great video, thanks for all the effort that went into this. This brought a flashback to me from college physics , empirical analysis. It was a long time ago for me. Great job.

[@bmstylee]

That's a nice looking rifle. I run Surefire Pro Comp brakes and they are highly effective but you won't make very many friends on the range with it. It's really loud on the blast zone.

[@geraldmunk4660]

After watching your first video on muzzle brakes, it gave me the idea to have my last rifle build having a threaded muzzle. It's a Wssm 223 in 1-9 twist. 5/8 -24 treaded muzzle and the brake is a Tactical Ordnance. It's amazing on the recoil reduction using 77gr bullets in this rifle build.

[@devurandom2019]

Kind of curious what a common milspec A2 flash-hider comes in for recoil reduction.

[@fasttimmy133]

I love that you recognized the necessity of measuring muzzle, rise, and where the muscle settles after a shot due to the break. Might I suggest simply optically measuring the muzzle rise through the scope by starting with a plan of impact, and measuring it to a point of rest. My crosshairs on the X fire shot and see where it lands when the cross hairs come to rest.

[@peterrobins3708]

Great effort put into building the test rig. Super big credit to you, another cool thing to watch out for in the future. I will definitely be keenly watching out to (hopefully) see you test all sorts of muzzle brakes, suppressors, flash hiders & blast projectors(?) on all sorts of calibres & loads. I also hope there's a way to easily tweak the rig to test loads & calibres in Handguns. And yup...dearly love to see you test the lower bore axis handguns like Chiappa Rhino revolver & Laugo Alien semi auto PS - think you seriously earned the right to wear a white lab coat hahaha

[@robertbland1673]

I would like to see you do a recoil pad comparison eg. Limbsaver vs back fires new pads

[@thorwaldjohanson2526]

A Schlieren photography setup, especially coupled with high speed camera would be fantastic to see the Shockwaves.

[@powerbagle]

Something interesting to see would be the effectiveness of a brake on same caliber but different barrel lengths. The recoil bare muzzle would be interesting as well.

[@awwwshucks443]

This is some fantastic nerding out. I am here for it.

[@chrisb9478]

No APA Bastard brakes? 🧐

[@davidunderwood3605]

If you're talking sound levels for the shooter then omni directional mics at the general location of a persons ears would be to measure both db of sound or shot and use full frequency spectrum measures to show the DB level of lower frequency 🆚 higher frequency would also allow you to calculate pressure also. Maybe?

[@brandonhallman2929]

i really enjoy all your information and learn a lot from your knowledge

[@theunofficialresults231]

I am always interested in how each one affects the accuracy of the rifle.

[@rick9811]

It would be an interesting experiment to compare/contrast the recoil impulse and duration (Without a muzzle brake) between a standard 30.06 or equivalent, a 12 Gauge shotgun and a Black Powder loaded 45-70. They sure feel different on the shoulder!

[@benwagner4770]

You might be able to measure blast effects objectively with a static pressure transducer at the shooter position (and/or an observer to the side.)

[@snowman3219]

Okay I really appreciate that you went to the extreme to test these brakes, BUT, all that really matters is can you personally tell the difference between with brake and without brake, and how much did it change the rifles tune.

[@1clnsdime1]

Every muzzle brake will change the tune, and they will all change it differently. You just have to change your load.

[@georgedreisch2662]

Thinking it might be interesting to look at the recoil trace of a tacomHQ structured barrel, for difference in vibe characteristics to a approximate equivalent…

[@DocJustinT]

I like the idea of comparing fast vs. slow powders, but what would be cool to look at is noting the percent burn of the powder (QuickLoad outputs this data). I guess what I'm getting at is: does a load that has 100% of the powder burn up in the barrel produce less (or more) recoil than a load with say 90-95% of the powder burning up? The point being, does unburned powder "flash over" as added muzzle blast once it exits the barrel, and if so does that added force maybe change the performance of the brakes?

[@gibstera5580]

Great video! Thank you for sharing your information.

[@jmflying]

With popularity of 6mm in PRS I would like to see a 6mm test with all the brands you can put together including brands that offer only larger diameter brakes like 6.5mm. Also could you include the Cortina brake as I have two of them. I have an eye condition that requires me to reduce recoil as much as possible to prevent my retina from tearing. I curently shoot a lot of .22LR and pcp air rifles along with an Ophthalmologist approved 21 pound .223, I am currently building a 6GT and want to get the most effective brake. Thank you for all your videos and the work you put into them is appreciated.

[@Dolomiterain]

SJC brake blast is nasty from top or the side, but it works great on an AR.

[@westvirginiaminer3046]

I would like to see a comparison between suppressors in relation to bullet clearance

[@steveh5307]

Why? To make it significantly louder for imperceptible reduction in that shoulder-crushing 22 cal recoil?

[@joshuahaskell4455]

lol boomers always have something to bitch about

[@alexandermcalpine]

Great Post!

[@JM_BoltActionGunStuff]

Well this is nice cos im getting Tikka T3x ctr in 223 rem. That apollo max was my choice for brake and your test confirmed it.

[@muaythaimanny]

Interested to see how the Hypertap from Precision Armament would stack up in this line up.

[@larryohara6513]

How about measuring noise levels to the sides along with the brakes. My experience indicates that the noise levels to the side (ie shooters to the left and right) drastically increases.

[@maciekskontakt]

Ths SJC was also tested in full auto (you can find on youtube as well) rifle and it outperforms everything thanks to that upwards blast tester was able to hold gun flat and hitting target precisely with high rate shots. The video shows that muzzle does not rise almost at at all while tester was unloading series of shots. So you have to consider design purpose. Also SJC is the most popular brake in 3-Gun competition and next is M4-72 (though it has highest concussion and range officer cannot stand next to you). I had my arms blasted with hot gases and i stood in big plume of gases when practicing 6 fast shots on three targets for competition practice. I went almost deaf causing a lot of stir between RSO's thinking that something exploded (it did not and all six shots were in targets).

[@dantheman7624]

I wish i would have sent you an example my DIY break design for testing.

[@robwatumd]

Would love to see how weight of the overall rifle affects recoil!

[@fomerbu]

How about different powder impulses?

[@jimmccaffery410]

I more concerned with how it groups. I’ll trade a lot for a tight group @ distance.

[@ewathoughts8476]

Seems like the Hellfire was doing well with only three ports and only falling behind the four port brakes by a small percentage. Too bad you did not have more representation from Area 419"s four port brakes.

[@WvMnts]

Thanks for sharing. Great content. Hope to see much more

[@Coolkitty639]

Pws efab and afab

[@michael_notMike_stillman]

How bout suppressor vs. muzzle break

[@NiteWorXTV]

No mdt comp brake?

[@gregbmcdonald]

Is there a point with .22?

[@JeremyCulbreath]

The biggest caveat is that you still use a human to pull the trigger. The data is still pretty sound, but it could be improved by further reducing human error. As to rise and sound analysis, those modifications would be relatively easy to implement on the rig. Free float the firearm in the rig and use a high-speed camera to capture motion against a gridded backdrop. Sound could be simply measured with a few decibel meters placed at strategic locations (positions of shooter's ears, adjacent lanes, observer, downrange, etc.). If you wanted to gather more sound information, you could use measurement microphones instead of just db meters. Granted, that would require significant time processing the results or coming up with a programmatic solution. But for me, I would like to see the impact of each brake on accuracy and precision. Recoil and rise reduction help get back on target faster. Sound and recoil management make shooting more pleasant. But if the brake adversely affects repeatable shot placement, it's scrap metal.

[@prone_wolf8871]

Please test jp recoil eliminator

[@jeffreygiddings1864]

How does the EC tuner/brake compare?

[@1clnsdime1]

Do a prs version with all the major players. If u need a list, I can name them all. I think that would be a big video.

[@FearlessMagpie]

Srsly, no TMB?

[@alanbok1]

Can the Apollo Max 556 can it be used on a AR-15

[@Jeff-hn7gi]

Hello Gavin I would like to see you test different buffers in AR-15s to see what h12 and 3 and the differences they provide thank you

[@paulmartin6152]

I would love to have seen you use the Surefire Muzzle break. With that break you can quick attach the Surefire suppressor on that break I installed a Surefire on my SIG 716 .308 rifle and felt a noticeable reduction in felt recoil.

[@jwoodshed1108]

There are some great tests that have been done over the years. The hole being concentric and .015-.018 total clearance was the about all they came up with for accuracy. And a large expansion chamber when it comes out of the barre also.

[@jwoodshed1108]

You didn't include what the breaks bore diameter for each one.

[@JeffHenry-uo1nz]

What part or how much does the mass of each brake contribute to the reduction in measured force? Could you pareto the mass of each bake next to force plot. Or, what has your testing already indicated about brake mass?

[@user.A9]

Why are little pieces of metal like that so expensive?

[@joshuahaskell4455]

Design and R&D. The milling is decently complex.

[@stiehl8455]

Any thoughts on replicating/ using a similar method to PRSblog to measure break affect in POI?

[@jjgriffin3275]

TEST ALL THE BRAKES!!!!! precision armament hypertap, strike industries jcomp2 and all the other amazing brakes for 223/556 then do a 308 test, but all of them Recoil reduction is all anyone cares about, dont have to do all that other info, so video can be a lot shorter and easier for you to make

[@thatguyoverthere2288]

Idea. Comparing a suppressor to its muzzle brake mount

[@jozef8844]

Late to the party, but a 22-250 in any form does not generate 300 pounds of felt recoil. The comparative data is just that, comparative, As usual though, a great review.

[@superseries7007]

Or just ask what the PRO PRS shooters use. 🤷‍♂️

[@chriscosta6337]

What recoil pad was on thr rifle?

[@rvoykin]

Ultradyne apollo are like cheating especially with an unrivaled technology buffer system for ARs it feels like a squib the first time you should it