22 Creedmoor Vs ALL 22 Centerfires

[@mikeinlutz]

222 Remington was my woodchuck gun growing up in Ohio in the '60s made spending money clearing bean fields of the chucks.

[@mubitasylvester7868]

I don't know but that 22-250 rem is a hot round to this day

[@Not-the-only-one]

it won’t stabilize the modern day high BC bullets that buck the wind down range unless you get a 1:8 twist. most 22-250s came with 1:12

[@jgrenwod]

@@Not-the-only-one I’ll never understand the slow twist on the 22-250. I have a 1:8 and the heavy bullets perform great at long range.

[@Not-the-only-one]

@@jgrenwod just curious what brand of 250? That’s what I will be looking into for my next rifle

[@snookmeister55]

I like copper but fast twist is needed there too for the same reason - it's longer.@@Not-the-only-one

[@robertmajors1737]

​@Not-the-only-one Tikka used to make a 1:9, but I believe the discontinued it. Savage still makes one I'm pretty sure, and Browning maybe. 1:8 is likely a custom affair, as they can make thin jacketed, lighter weight bullets spin themselves apart, so most factory offerings steer clear of them for that reason.

[@66smithra]

The triple deuce and 22/250. Great, classic pair for medium and long range work, respectively.

[@scottsozmtns7534]

Got a Rem Model 722 in .222 Rem (2nd yr built), and it’s a darling to shoot. Whitetail seem to fall rather quickly with 1 well placed shot just fine!

[@jimnagel5611]

ME TOO -- MINE HAS ONLY HAD ONE BOX OF FACTORY AMMO THRU IT -- ALL THE REST HAS BEEN RELOADS -- ALL OF THEM JUST BELOW FACTORY SPECS WITH 50 GR BULLETS - STILL SHOOTS GREAT -- BARREL LOOKS GOOD - DOES EVERYTHING I WANT IT TO -- IF I NEED A BIGGER BULLET - I GO TO MY 243 -- AND SO ON -- NEVER GOT INTO THE CRAZE OF TRYING TO MAKE A 22 CENTERFIRE INTO A MOOSE GUN OR A SUPER DUPER LONG RANGE RAT KILLER - 200 YARDS IS MY LIMIT(DEER 100 YARDS) -- IF ITS FURTHER THAN THAT - I GET CLOSER OR JUST DONT SHOOT@@scottsozmtns7534

[@mikegriff8372]

@@scottsozmtns7534 Just bought a 722 last year and it is my new favorite. It is a tack driver. Love it.

[@unhippy1]

@@scottsozmtns7534.222 was my normal caliber for red deer for years......anything inside 200 meters that stood still without a bush in the way was dinner.

[@matthewotis3594]

Work on ground squirrels. About it besides people?

[@wmmikek]

I used to shoot a 220 Swift in the late fifties along with a 7x61 Sharpe and Hart, both very fast. My Dad was in todays terms a "Ballistic Speed Freak", we were loading everything to achieve +4000fps. The problem was the bullets at that velocity, primarily stabilization and separation. It was difficult to get a good set of dies for the 220 Swift. The collet when seating the bullets and crimp would bow. No CAD/CAM in those days, just excellent Gunsmiths and machinist!!!

[@drewriggs812]

Ron, my family has a bit of a history with .22 centerfire rifles. My great-grandfather had a .218 Bee. He killed mule deer with it. One year, he loaned it to a buddy to mule deer hunt with. The buddy shot a deer and returned the rifle. The next year Grandpa Great pulled it out of the closet to get ready for the upcoming deer season and accidentally shot himself in the leg. He ended up losing his leg. Apparently his buddy returned the rifle loaded and Grandpa Great failed to check it. Needless to say firearm saftey is huge in our family now. My Mom decided she wanted to start mule deer hunting so my Dad went to buy her a .22-250 to hunt with. Well he ended up getting a great deal on a .222 Rem. My Mom would have no problem helping butcher the animals, but she couldn't bring herself to pull the trigger. Dad used the .222 Rem to kill 2 mule deer bucks. Both dropped dead on the spot. I got that .222, but I didn't reload so it was hard to find ammo. I traded it for a .30-06. I have killed 2 pronghorn with a .223 Rem. One at 140 yards the second at 222 yards. My wife used the same .223 Rem to take her first big game animal a pronghorn at 80yards. All three pronghorn went less than 25 yards and died. I am sold on .22 centerfire cartridges on game under 300lbs under 300 yards.

[@rossfelton1955]

22-250 is one of my favorite cartridges. Incredibly accurate. Surprisingly potent.

[@jonl8539]

I like mine in 8 twist with 80 gr bergers

[@vercingetorix3839]

That's not for me then. I prefer credibly inaccurate rounds. Predictably impotent.

[@SmartypantsMcChicken]

I know a guy that shot elk and deer etc with his 22 250... until he got checked by game and fish. They informed his hearing aids that his gun wasn't big enough and didn't fit the rules. He dragged the warden and judge into his trophy room to show them what he could do. The case was dropped. 😂

[@snookmeister55]

​You probably heard the story about moose being taken with 220 Swift headshots. That takes confidence.@@SmartypantsMcChicken

[@SmartypantsMcChicken]

@@snookmeister55 and the native play that took that grizzly with a bolt action 22.

[@CrazyWader-rt4ks]

There is a small but loyal following of the 22 PPC that is arguably the most accurate among this group. A shame it wasn't mentioned. But what a nice review of the others in the same class! Thank you Ron!

[@rogerramjet7567]

Great topic. 22250 is IT !!! All around great !!

[@edwardebroome8]

I love this in-depth comparison. I’m always learning. I have 22lr, 2.23/5.56, 22-250, and an and old S&W revolver with 22 magnum. Thanks for the content!

[@snookmeister55]

22 wmr was always in our house growing up, rifle and pistol.

[@joepatriot6431]

I built a custom cartridge a few years back that was impressive. It was a 22x257Ackley. I took one of my 257Ackley cases and necked down to a 22 cal. had a reamer made and chambered a Rem 700 stainless short action with a Shilen 26" 1x7 twist for heavy bullets. Slow powders H-1000 RL-25 etc, with 80gr Berger VLD. Over the Chrony loads were at 3710 fps. Power was more than impressive. It would sometimes punch all the way through 1" mild steel plate at 500 yds. With a 100 yd zero it only needed 17 min of elevation for 1000 yds. Several five shot groups at 1000 produced 3 to 5 inch groups. Ground hogs were not happy. From Ron's chart it looks like it would have been similar to the 5.56x57mm RWS. It was in fact based on the 57mm case, but blown out to Ackley specs.

[@Th3Su8]

There are quite a few .22 caliber cartridges that were not mentioned here, which I understand because there are many that are not being produced anymore. I would argue that it didn't start around the 22 Hornet though. There were some that came around well before that one was introduced dating back to the late 1800's, such as the .22 WCF. The one that gets a lot of the blame for the .22 caliber not being allowed for medium/big game hunting is the 22 Savage High Power. This one was developed around 1912 for the Savage model 99 and pushed a 70 grain soft point out around 3000 fps. It became somewhat popular overseas and was called the 5.6 x 52R.

[@snookmeister55]

22 Hornet is barely hanging on.

[@richarddecker1380]

I'm kinda partial to the 222 rem. My grandfather gave me a Sako l46 Riihimaki that he purchased from Jim Carmichael, the Outdoor life editor. It's light as a feather and a tack driver. Also a big fan of the Swift. Have a single shot savage 112 in that caliber that also shoots .5 moa with handloads.

[@tonynorthwest9696]

I actually know this one!! My father was in the Army, and told me of a legendary .22 Cartridge, chambered in .222 Remington Magnum. It was called the .22 High Power, and was used by the Military in his days of service, as a Marksman, and Sniper Level Qualifying Rifle Round. He later in his career, got to see thousands of them get decommissioned and destroyed, as they were being phased out. Through my personal dealings, later on as an adult. I actually happened to come across one, that had slipped through the cracks. They're very much reminiscent, of an old .30 Carbine, and just as heavy. It was a Bolt Action, with Adjustable Iron Sights, and the capability of reaching 600yds without breaking a sweat. 😊 I'm sure glad I discovered this channel!!! Thank you Mr. Spomer, for bringing my dad's story to life.

[@johnwilburn8319]

Never believed in inherently accurate cartridges but use to hand load the .225 Winchester after 1000's of different combinations of primers,powders,and bullets.I found out the 22-250 was a lot more user friendly to find accurate loads for.

[@wingrovedl]

Yes, I'll keep my 22-250 Remington. Thank You very much ! 🤓

[@marvinbrock960]

Currently 52 years old, I got bit by the gun/shooting bug in the 9th grade! 1985! I read Eveything I could find! Over the years, now retired Army, I’ve kept so many magazines from the early 90’s to now. So many names, so many amazing gun writers.. it’s like my happy place when I want to relax… Boddington, Mann, Spomer, Barsness, JD Jones, Wieland, Seyfried, Waters, Sitton, Aagard… on and on.. I really miss those days. Not all the arguing and nonsense that goes on today.. I mean Craig loved his .33’s sure.. others loved their .284’s… great banter.. You sir are in that group, my group of poetic heroes.. 🇺🇸🫡

[@jefferytillis8309]

224 Valkyrie suffered what happens far too often with the newer cartridges designed for the AR platform. Its main target in the beginning was the 90 gr Sierra Matchking bullet for long range target shooting. Unfortunately all the barrel manufacturers rushed barrels out using their existing 556 barrel blanks chambered for the cartridge with the standard 1 in 7 twist. It didn't stabilize the bullet properly. No surprise really because Sierra recommended a 1 in 6.5 or 1 in 6 to properly stabilize the bullet. Those that rushed it out were not all that happy with the accuracy they got. A few barrel makers did use the proper twist rate and it made a huge difference. I built mine with a 1 in 6.5 from Bison Armory. It is a tack driver with all the factory ammo right from the 75 gr ball ammo on up to the 90 gr Sierra. Would be nice to see all these mistakes not happening. Similar situation happened with the parent cartridge the 6.8 SPC. Remington submitted the wrong chamber specs and others had to come along behind them to fix it.

[@leovasquez5501]

Remington?! Laying an egg with a cartridge?! Surely you jest!

[@kentuckywindage222]

Nice job Ron! I've ran quite a few of these loading and today run the 223/5.56 plenty of brass, bullets and loadings but......I sure find that Creedmoor intriguing.

[@pyrobob208]

Many years ago I had a 220 Swift. Factory loads were claimed to be 4000fps.

[@snookmeister55]

True Story about Swift 4000 fps. Think about a 165 grn going that fast in 30 caliber.

[@doransponsel4813]

​@@snookmeister55that would take a big bang

[@snookmeister55]

​​338 Lapua Mag, 1-off barrel.

[@squirreldog7619]

Love your channel Ron. It is fascinating that .224 caliber has truly become America's favorite caliber. The .308 is our favorite "big" bore. Which in the grand scheme of things is still not that big, but the variety of the .22 from rimfire to centerfire is amazing.

[@jayjudd6518]

This was an eye opener for me. My 221 Fireball is pretty good with hand loading with the newer fast powders. Varmints mostly I stay with 40 grain bullets.

[@jeff0nyschuk670]

22-250,,,Ive always been a 223rem fan..But,now that I have tried the 22-250,,I would pick the 22-250,,

[@Not-the-only-one]

a little advice from someone who owns one, get one with 1:8 twist in order to be able to shoot the longer higher BC bullets like the 80gr ELD-M. they buck the wind better down range. My 22-250 has a 1:12 twist and won’t stabilize the longer bullets.

[@georgeedwards5468]

@@Not-the-only-one450 yards on DEADLY! No matter the twist

[@Lazlo81]

In Sweden and surrounding countries the 5.6x52r/22 Savage High Power is a fairly common cartridge, especially in combinationguns.

[@jk-kr8jt]

Is ammo and/or bullets still available? If memory serves me correctly the 22 Savage HP was a .228 bullet. Naturally somewhere along the way the 22 centerfires have settled into a .224 bullet.

[@Lazlo81]

Yes, there is bullets and ammo available, not very very much, but there is. Even the new copperbullets i sold in .228

[@jk-kr8jt]

Wow, that is interesting. Wish I was aware of that before I sent a 22 HP down the road. Thank you very much for the reply and the information.

[@old-notbold-pilot6756]

a few years ago Norma still made ammo .228 71 gr bullets

[@bryanrabel5081]

Hornet is my all time favorite. My wife has a Stevens bolt action and i have an H&R Topper. We love them

[@BWGPEI]

Looking and sound good! Fascinating topic and Many Thanks.

[@scottquenstedt1]

Horizon firearms has done a great job promoting it. In Texas, pretty much any native animal you need to kill (not including large exotic species), just about any 22 cal with a QUALITY bullet and good shot placement is absolutely ample power. Plus, with lower recoil, your more likely to make a better shot.

[@gusloader123]

The .225 Winchester was a fine cartridge. Very similar to the .22-250 cartridge. It was chambered in the Model 70 Winchester rifle which is in fact a Bolt-action rifle. Rimmed cartridges work very well in Bolt-Action magazine rifles. They give positive extraction. My .303 British Lee-Enfield SMLE and my Stevens 325 bolt-action in .30-30 Winchester function very well. Factory ammo muzzle velocity with a 55-grain bullet is 3,570 F.P.S. , Muzzle energy is 1,556

[@anthonyrstrawbridge]

I'd of never guessed. Nice dimensions and can hold a 42.5gr charge. Hot enough to cat a 6mm 80-90 grain projectile perfectly too.

[@rikkys]

I'm British. I'll never shoot or see these rounds the laws are too strict but Ì enjoy these videos a lot.

[@richardstoffel6585]

What can you shoot?

[@rikkys]

@richardstoffel6585 ATM a bbq gun and air rifle limited to 12ftlbs of energy. I have both. Without applying for a license which is similar in the UK to joining the cia.

[@justinschmidt9180]

220 swift or 22 250 nothing else comes close

[@Blair338RUM]

The Swift doesn’t feed.

[@JaredOblit]

The 22 creed more than comes close to

[@ericfredrickson5517]

My reloading friend, Dave Perkins, preferred the .22-250 over the .220 Swift, because he could get higher velocities with more accuracy, in his Remington 700 Varmint Special. Last I knew, he was shooting 40 gr bullets at over 5000 fps. I don't know how many barrels he had on that rifle; he'd shoot until accuracy declined, then replace it. With a Remington 788 in .223 factory ammo, and a Leupold Vari-X III 3.5-10, he would regularly shoot 3 shots touching offhand at 100 yards.

[@WyattIreton]

You should do a video of the most historical cartridges

[@pete1342]

All the WSSM cartridges are orphans today. They were an answer to a question no one was asking.

[@stevenpeterson9016]

in the new Hornady reloading books still shows the 220 Swift 100 FPS over the 22-250 plus the swift is more accurate for many of us with the 55 gr. bullet. your FPS max load. are a little wrong in book #9 look it up.

[@WayTruthLife-fd4dp]

Also the 220 swift is heavy to carry around. Glad ya don't have to carry it to far though . It will reach waaaaaay out there

[@starsy82]

That is factory loaded numbers. The 22-250 can hit 4,500fps with a 34 grain home load.. you can load them that fast the warhead can evaporate into thin air

[@jbuch66koop]

The .22 arc is not based on the 6mm arc case. The 6.5 Grendel is the parent case. It was a wildcat round known as the 22 Grendel, before Hornady got it saami spec'd.

[@gpearce11]

Good point, and an important distinction, because while both 22 and 6mm ARC use 6.5 Grendal as their parent case, the 6mm ARC has been trimmed to fit longer bullets. So you could theoretically neck up and trim 22 ARC to get 6mm ARC, but you can't neck down 6mm ARC to get 22 ARC.

[@jbuch66koop]

@@gpearce11 precisely!

[@ajheath5123]

Each 22 center fire has a unique ability, the 22 Hornet is efficient with about 550-700 rounds to a pound of powder to the 22-250 and 22 Creedmoor one is hot nasty speed and the other is efficient in flight. I have 17 and 22 hornets and a 22-250. In the next couple years there might be a 22 ARC hanging around, who knows.

[@dustinweaver3032]

22lr, 22mag, 22 hornet, 204 ruger, 22-250, 243, 17hmr, 17 wsm. 17 hornet. This is all you need for smaller calibers. Instead of a bunch of new calibers I would rather see plenty of ammo on the shelves for calibers that have been around for years. They need to stop reinventing the wheel. Love your channel Ron.

[@mikespangler98]

I wouldn't complain about a factory K-Hornet. But in general, no argument.

[@chadillac95]

Didn't know the manufacturers needed to base their production solely on your opinion

[@mikespangler98]

@@chadillac95 The manufacturers need to listen more to the customers and less to Marketing. My list would be even shorter. 22 lr, 22 mag, 22 Hornet, 223, 22-250. If you need a heavier bullet the next step up is 6 mm or 257. Personally I never saw the point of putting more than a 70 gr bullet into a 22, but that's a personal opinion.

[@dustinweaver3032]

@@chadillac95 you said it it's just my opinion and you're welcome to your opinion

[@jeremybrownfield1025]

​@@dustinweaver3032 I dunno what the other dudes thinking but your opinion is shared by most. Go anywhere and see a 100 dollar box of 22 nosler but can find hornet any 17's barely a box of anything else. All ya find is something new with some heavy bullets for shooting prs when what we need is plain old boxes of our normal "old" stuff

[@Spidouz]

Fun Fact: Here in Europe, the .222Rem is very popular, including for semi-auto rifle when the .223 was considered as “war caliber” and heavily restricted (or even banned). A lot of guns were modified from .223Rem to .222Rem so gun owners could legally own those guns.

[@starsy82]

You must be in Ireland.. I’ve shot a 22-250 for decades and never had any issues even in the uk 🇬🇧

[@claudiodominguez.]

That .22 Nosler sending a 85 gr at 2,907 is impressive for the overall cartridge size.

[@stephenbaker7499]

I'll be that one guy who comes up with an obscure cartridge at almost nobody ever heard of..... The poor little 22 benchrest was an outstanding cartridge that went nowhere, Nonetheless I still love mine it's a goodie😊

[@whatthehell7930]

As is 22ppc

[@stephenbaker7499]

@@whatthehell7930 I could not agree more spot on. 👍 I have an older version of cartridges of the world. It's quite amazing how some of the new stuff looks a lot like the old stuff from yesteryear. Thank you for your comment I love the 22 PPC as well it's a goodie.

[@davidmackee8575]

Good video Ron but I like my 22-250 have had most of the others but will stick with what I have take care...

[@caleb8239]

The parent case of the.22 ARC is the 6.5 Grendel, not the 6 ARC.

[@BDKR]

Yep! Was going to say the same thing.

[@samimanninen1417]

220 Russian

[@OutsidetheEchochamber]

7.62×39 but I understood

[@randygerhart5076]

You ar3 all correct 😊

[@scottlawrence1826]

Thanks Ron!

[@brianmurray1395]

Live in NS, Canada. Back in 1996 while out wreck diving with a few of my Navy diving buddies we came across a bunch of harbour seals. We had one of the local lobster fishermen use his cape islander boat. A quick check on his lobster pots we realized the seals were smashing them up and kind of wrecking his day so he pulled out what looked to me as a submachine gun. Now I'm talking back in 96, things have changed. He said that's it someone shoot those bastards on the rocks. We were prob 30 yards away 30 round magazine full of this Hornet round. I volunteered to whack one. When I shot to my surprise it sounded like spanking a slab of meat hanging with a 2 x 8 board. Large lumps of fat and blood flew every direction. The creature rolled down the rocks and died in the water. I felt terrible and I should. The other animals knew and FLEW. When we retrieved the seal from the water, depth was around 20 feet. We tied it up took it out to deeper water and we sunk it. I remember commenting on the wounds and found it incredible what these ? 45 grain lead heads could do to flesh when exiting. Some were the size between a golf ball and a tennis ball. I FIRED a total of 5-6 rounds. Cool little gun. Wonder if he still has it?? Those hornets are nasty.

[@tacticalmattfoley]

It's interesting to the see the chart of calibers and velocities. It's important to note what size pill is being driven at those velocities. Why? A 22-250 doesn't achieve the same ballistic goals as a 22 Creedmoor which pushes bullets 75-90 grains at high velocity and at much longer distance. This is in part due to a fast-twist barrel. If I were shooting inside 400yds, I'd prefer the 22-250 all day long. So, understanding strengths and limitations is critical.

[@Not-the-only-one]

it’s also in part due to the 22 Creedmoor holding a little more powder than the 22-250

[@lostpyper]

My kid just asked me the other day if they'd ever change the .22lr to centerfire...I need to show him this video

[@ufc990]

This isn't replacing .22lr though

[@rudiebennett269]

Ron, very nice video, but next time when you have a line-up of cartridges, please put something like a 22LR as place holders for your missing cartridges. It will make it easier to follow and keep tabs on the story.

[@clayprovines4808]

So basically 90 years later we haven’t improved much over the 220 swift…

[@mikespangler98]

Sometimes they do get it right the first time. Right assuming you don't care about barrel life. 😉 New barrels are supposed to last longer due to better steel.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Slow your fire rate down, they'll last just fine. Let the barrel stay "warm" and not "hot".

[@thomasdye9268]

I have many of these, including the hotrods. I have a Remington 788 22-250, a Remington 700 classic 220 Swift, and a Browning Varmint SS 223 WSSM. All three have "24 barrels. Sure, the 223 WSSM is the speed champion but the 22-250 is the most practical. There isn't enough of a velocity difference to matter much in my humble opinion. The 223 WSSM's 1:10 twist rate is hard on lighter bullets. I've had the 220 Swift rimlock on me but nobody ever talks about that nowadays. My Savage 223 covers almost everything I need to do with a 22 centerfire caliber. The 1:7 to 1:8 fast twist 22 Creedmoor looks interesting and I hope Savage makes one in their 110 based action with a 24-26 barrel.

[@johnwilburn8319]

I like the way you think.Logical and truthful.Not the this is my favorite so it makes it the best.

[@jasonmartin5606]

My BCA 22" 22-250 AR10 shoots over 4000fps with factory ammo! Drives tacks at 1000yds all day long! Insanely accurate! Capt J

[@_JimS]

I never followed trends so I settled on a wildcat cartridge 22-243 Middlestead and have seen little in the .224 world that compares. My rifle started and a 22-Cheetah but that's a lot of work so I transformed it to a Middlestead. The 22-243 Winchester is even easier than my Middlestead as a wildcat to build, but not as efficient at longer ranges. Good stuff Ron, as usual, enjoy your videos immensely. Stay well.

[@markdunstan1031]

A friend of mine used his 22-250 on my AR500 steel plates at 100m. Clean drilled holes!!!!

[@jamesbent2584]

I love this guy he's a walking ballistic encyclopedia well dun ron

[@Ehtereon11B]

I have an older reloading, Lee 2nd Edition. These are the velocities listed for 218 Bee with a 50 grain bullet. 2153, 2165, and 2302. The lightest load listed is 35gr and 2632 FPS.

[@barbarapiercy4312]

Hodgdon does list the firearm or test barrel length. It’s the “bar” just before the actual reloading data. Love the channel. Keep up the great content!!!!

[@davidme9698]

Do it swiftly!! The first one I built in 92 with a tight neck and a 31” Douglas barrel averaged 4200 fps with a 55 gr and 4800 fps with a 38 gr Calhoun bullet. 5 shot Groups averaged 1inch with three in same hole. Shot that barrel out and it took thirty years to find another barrel that could match that speed. This one is a wilson 1/14 twist 26” shoots a 40 grain max at 4800 fps primers are pretty flat but opens with slight tension.

[@anthonyrstrawbridge]

222 Rem! Is there anything else?

[@donniepowell7146]

I wholeheartedly agree.

[@mblake0420]

223

[@stephencooper5040]

Yes, the 22-250 is obviously superior.

[@gonepostal9101]

Yeah, my old Sako .22-250.

[@JW...-oj5iw]

In the middle '70s I was recommended the .22-250 for the prairie dogs in our area. I had no concept of what it would do. I bought a Ruger Model 77 and a super cheap scope. Popped some soda cans in the local trash dump so I had confidence in the ability to hit a prairie dog. I only had factory ammo 55gr bullets and gave it a shot. The recoil lifted the image in the scope and I thought I had missed. My concept of the cartridge was that it was just a faster round like a .22LR. When I found the varmint I was shocked. PD was nearly disintegrated, leaving the head and front legs, a strip of skin, the hind legs and tail. Everything else vaporized. Since that time I began handloading and sticking with 40-45 gr bullets for lightning strikes. I've shot quite a few rounds, but I'm a long way from burning out the barrel. Gun is still like new. I'm a diehard Ruger fan. My most recent acquisition is a polished stainless Vaquero in .45 Colt. Excellent, powerful revolver.

[@JamesCopeland-i1j]

For the first time in a long time, I'm on board with a new trend. High BC bullets make for more efficient cartridges, even if you sacrifice a few FPS. Compensating elevation becomes more involved, but with the benefit of repeatable accuracy.

[@thomaswilson517]

Just a note, Ron. Great presentation but the Savage 22 Hi Power was brought out in 1912. Bears mention as a baseline 22 centerfire.

[@TexDrinkwater]

My dad, for whatever reason, was always a fan of the .218 Bee, and had one in his gun safe 'til the end, along with a couple of boxes of ammunition.

[@joepiper9476]

Hi Ron, I am a recent subscriber and really enjoy your videos. The timing of this video is incredible because I recently picked up a new to me Sako L461 Vixen in .223 Remington and it is quickly becoming my favorite rifle. When I took it out for the first time to sight it in it put five rounds through a hole the size of a quarter with factory loads at 100 yards. (I would like to say I am that good but truthfully it was the rifle). I am curious about some of these hotter loads burning the barrels out. I know during World War II and before large Naval guns would burn the barrels out at around 300 rounds but in the 1950s something called the Swedish Additive came out and extended barrel life all but indefinitely. Is there not something similar in modern powders? Thank you for all the time you take to educate us and I hope you enjoy it as much as we do.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

I know nothing about Naval guns and Swedish Additive, but knowing that flame temperature at the leade (start of the rifling) is what "burns out," I can't imagine that any additive stops this. There are cooler burning powders, however, and those can help. Highest muzzle velocities do not always equate with faster barrel burning. It's a balance between bullet weight and powder type. Some lighter loads of certain powders can develop more MV than some heavier loads.

[@hamcheesecola]

My grandfather got a Remington 22-250 Classic with a Leupold 3-9 x 40 in the late 80's for deer hunting. He always preached fast, flat shooting guns, to which he said his was the fastest & flattest. Ive watched him harvest DOZENS of whitetail from as far out as 300yds over the years, every one was shot in the eye. Not to mention the hundreds of nutria rats and water turkeys he's greased with that thing. The 240 wby mag had his attention the last few years of his life, but I think he was more focused on trying to spend his money before he passed.

[@404nitro]

Winchester chambered the model 65 for the 218 Bee and later the model 43 bolt action. which obviously handles pointed bullets just fine. It will outdo the 22 Hornet by 150-200 fps with proper loads all across the board. I own a M 43 in fine condition in 218 Bee that was my fathers that he bought new in the very early 50's. I own a Savage 23B in 25-20 as well so I have father and son so to speak. The 225 Winchester is actually a rimmed case but Winchester advertised it as a "semi rimmed" case. Winchester reduced the rim of the 219 Zipper so that the rim would fit a std bolt face of the model 70 etc. I came very close to buying a Savage 340 in that caliber one time and wish I had now.

[@Mr102373]

I have been playing with the bee brass is scarce.❤

[@404nitro]

@@Mr102373 I am fortunate that I have quite a bit of it on hand. 👍

[@niklFIT]

this video should have way more views

[@peteomara8707]

Very informative thanks

[@reloadrefine]

Great video Ron! 😎✅

[@doghousedon1]

The 218 Bee will launch a 40 gr. bullet at a little over 2900 fps, a 50 gr. bullet at 2600, a 52 gr. at 2500, and a 55 gr. at almost 2400 fps. Source is from Lyman's Reloading Manual, 45th edition. Those loads use IMR 4227. I have plenty of Bee data I'm willing to share. A free pdf download of that manual can be found in a Google search, "lyman 45th edition reloading handbook free pdf. download." Hope this helps, and thanks for the vid.

[@erwinschmidt7265]

Hmm....My .221 Rem Fireball can plaster 3 shots @200 yds, that you can cover w/a dime, & that's a Pistol folks!! Dallas Police found 2 brass from development cartridge for XP 100 on some grassy knoll, but Warren dudes said, single Magic Bullet from some book did our Prez in!! Nice thing about XP is, w/diagonal chest sleeve holster, perp could stumble-bum along tracks swingin his arms & singin' Oh Suzana, but Coppers would just ignore! Did D. Warren Intelligentsia ever consider that?

[@gunman-6646]

I love these kind of videos Ron. Thanks!

[@brianmurray1395]

love the little deer statue.

[@graybeard101]

I am disappointed you didn't include the Australian 22-303, a magnificent cartridge for high velocity and short barrel life, admittedly it is a bit rare these days.

[@doghousedon1]

I'm disappointed Ron left out the 22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer. But he said he was limiting this vid to factory ammo that is available today, not Wildcats. Perhaps he will cover those in a future video.

[@talleyrand2739]

NEVER HAD PROBLEMS WITH BARREL BURNOUT OVER MANY YEARS MINE WAS THE falcon THE FULL LENGTH THE WASP WAS A SHORTER CARTRIDGE AND POSSIBLY THE ONE YOU SPEAK OF, COULD DOWN LOAD FOR CAST PROJECTILE BUT DROPPED ANY PIGS WITH THE FALCON AND FOX'S AT LONG RANGES MATTER OF WHERE YOU PLACED THE SHOT ,MINE WAS BUILT BY DON BLACK A WELL KNOWN GUNSMITH IN NSW ON A MARK 3 303 AND CUSTOM STOCKS, AS WAS MY 303.270 ,THE 222RIMMED BASED ON A 310 MARTINI ACTION AS WERE MAY ZIPPERS AND THE 218 B PLUS HORNETS THE ACTION WAS A FAVORITE HERE IN AU AND SHELLS STILL AVAILABLE

[@johnwilburn8319]

I've only seen 1. Chronograph was reading 4250 fps.with a 50 grain bullet in front of 50 grains of XXXX powder.

[@redneckarchaeology3768]

An interesting round (pistol cartridge)that we never hear about anymore is the 22 Remington jet.

[@jimnaz5267]

AS ALWAYS very informative. thanks

[@peteoburrito920]

I’ve been waiting for this video

[@philipsteele5704]

218 was in the model 65.

[@foonus406]

You're right about Winchester sabotaging some of their own chamberings with terrible marketing decisions. .17WSM is a great round but they only licensed Savage and Ruger to make the rifles, with Hornady being the only other manufacturer of ammo. Savage promptly put the chambering in their terrible B-MAG lineup, and Ruger stopped making them completely. Hornady put the final nail in the coffin by not manufacturing any of the WSM ammo because its a direct competitor to their HMR. So what are we left with? Savage B-Mags and Winchester rimfire ammo that yields ES of 80... if you can find it.

[@Deere2154D]

The point of wsm and wssm is more powder charge for a hotter round to shoot out of a shorter barrel. Keeps around the same speed of a longer barrel but easier to pack in bush.

[@lmj2783]

Great video Ron. Really enjoyed this. 22250 Ackley is king of them all . 50gn Nosler 4150fps.

[@lorengreenwell8493]

My two favorites, 200 yards or less the 22 K-Hornet with a 40 gr bullet moving 3,000 fps and out to 600 yards 219 Donaldson Wasp with 1-7" twist and 80 - 90 gr bullets. BTW: The FiveseveN is a rimless 22 K-Hornet and the 22 Valkyrie is a rimless 219 DW.

[@jeffchristian6798]

Excellent info, thank you.

[@danielmaine45]

220 Swift for the win!

[@jc7654]

good Fox round

[@robincoker225]

My uncle here in Australia has a 222 Martini action cardet rifle which has a rimmed cartridge

[@jamesdavidson2550]

My uncle had a Savage .22 High Power. The rifle was a lever action model 94 savage.

[@jakedavid8187]

I'm 11 seconds in...22-250 wins. Enough argument (:

[@rn2628]

22-250 is king

[@georgecoons6872]

58 cal cap n ball.

[@BrianSanner-rr6lp]

I'm with ya

[@slowstang88]

Blunderbuss full of river stone

[@cjberan]

22 creedmoor is just better then the 22250. And yes the 22250 is very good but shooting larger bulletts less wind drift more energy and the same of better drop what’s not to like

[@TMFShooting]

Excellent Ron , Another Great Video 💯💥💥💥💥💥💥💥

[@cameronalexander359]

.22 hornet is a much under appreciated cartridge

[@justinross7469]

I disagree lol, as a person that's had an eye out for a older hornet in good shape. I've worked in the largest gun shop in my state for two years, I'm very well traveled an always hit up the gun shops. I have still yet to find a single one for sale in person.

[@michaelmarcucci3980]

The “22 Remington Jet “ would be a good one to be in the line up 😊. Great videos Ron, 👍

[@danheath4564]

Easier to find than 218 for me. 22 jet is a great farm gun. PPU was making it not too long ago, if they aren't now.

[@DenntGriffin]

The 22/250 standard twist rate for most of it's life was 1 in 14, not 1 in 12. A faster twist of 1 in 8 has emerged for the recent longer projectiles over 60 grains in weight. No big deal Ron, you are doing fine. 60 grain bullets without a V-Max or Ballistic tip will often stabilize in a 1 in 14. Tipped bullets MAY not stabilize in a 60 grain weight.

[@a-k-jun-1]

My favorite is the mislabeled 219 zipper, it actually uses a 22 cal projectile.

[@keitht.jmccoy3779]

I enjoy your channel Ron like I enjoyed rifle hunting articles by David Petzal F&S. I learned alot and still am. 👍 I work with a Guy years ago who's GRANPA bought him a Savage rifle in 22-250 for his birthday. He said he used that gun clearing groundhogs, foxes and coyotes off his family farm. He took many white tails too. Hit them in the neck and dropped them where they stood. He got a modern scope for 223 rifles and dropped a coyote with a head shot at 350 yrds. Very flat shooting round.

[@notsofast60]

Thank you... great summary of the 22 centerfires

[@eaglezxz3354]

22 250 sako here...5 shots covered by a quarter with many hundreds of 55 grain federal right out of the box.When i shot a lot in the 90s they were only 14.oo cdn a box.Reloaded lots as well but not faster...didnt want to burn the barrel out. Have taken out a few very big blackbears and tons of mulies. Ruger same cal. Didnt last more than a few boxes of same amo before accuracy dropping off exponential. Luv the low kick although its a heavy barrel so downside of the accuracy is weight.

[@glennsmith7575]

hunting black bear with a 22 cf? what the

[@eaglezxz3354]

@@glennsmith7575 Oh ya...a freind co. Had to take out a med siz prob bear in a town with the only gun he had with him.He said he couldnt beleive how it went dwn compared to his bigger rifles or i wd never have tried it. Its about bullet speed.Not that i wd carry it 4 grizz bear defence. Got a marlin sbl 4570 for that now i hope i never have to use.

[@charlieandhudsonspal7031]

Thanks, great video brother

[@JT-py9lv]

HI Ron. Would love to see your thoughts on the 6x45 (6mm 223).

[@swicked86]

Just a fun one, the 223 is an odd one. Just because the bolt face and coal. Wild what it does at it's size. Overall with life it's actually very good.

[@philmullineaux5405]

Believe it or not Collectors firearms sells old ammo and rifles and military rifles...I saw boxes of 218 bee , 220 swift,221 fireball and 219 zipper!😮😮😮

[@anthonyhandspiker2084]

In my old Hodgdon manaul it claims 2567 ft/sec for 55 gr bullets for the 218 bee

[@datderian]

my uncle was a huge fan of the .223 wssm, no idea why

[@johnwilburn8319]

The only new cartridge out there!

[@richardstoffel6585]

22 creed looks tempting

[@islandborn9649]

How about .223 super shot mag. Does it apply to this list?

[@Mikejohnson-wr2hd]

You didn’t mention, Ron, but the 222 was a scaled down 30-06. Not necked down but the 222 was actually scaled. If you look at photos of them you can clearly see that the 222 is just a scaled down 30-06. Just an interesting thing from the past.