22 Gloomhaven Classes Ranked by Tier - Including Jaws of the Lion and Forgotten Circles

Which classes in Gloomhaven/Jaws of the Lion/Forgotten Circles are the best?
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I rank all 22 of the classes into tiers. Is your favorite class top tier or hanging out at the bottom? Watch and find out! Timestamps to each class below if you don't want to spoil the ones you haven't yet unlocked! Also please comment and let me know if you agree or disagree with my rankings.
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Links to each class(non spoiler names used)
Spellweaver 1:02
Tri-Force 3:00
Red Guard 4:47
Mind Thief 6:11
Eclipse 8:02
Hatchet 9:52
Tinkerer 11:43
Lightning Bolts 14:30
Circles 16:15
Brute 18:25
Voidwarden 20:03
Cthulhu 21:39
Angry Face 23:31
Bear 25:14
Cragheart 27:13
Saw 29:01
Three Spears 30:41
Demolitionist 32:03
Diviner 33:35
Scoundrel 35:23
Sun 36:57
Music Note 38:33
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[@florianfeller9300]

I really enjoy your gloomhaven content because you don't just read out all the cards but rather talk about the overall strategy/feel of a character. Keep on going!

[@scolack123]

You apparently forgot Master Influencer existed for void warden regarding the monster deck curses and granting monsters attacks

[@laynelayne4839]

That's what I was just thinking. The monster are using the Void Wardens attack deck. This also helps to remove any curses the Void Warden may have got their deck. Win Win.

[@lancestevens1651]

Great breakdown and description on your choices! I've watched other Gloom Tier list and stopped a few minutes in. Enjoyable watch, and I appreciate the information!

[@joshuacrowley8887]

I had the same experience with the berserker. They were my second character and I played them for 50 missions. So fun! The swinging health bar and big damage was so fun

[@fredjung]

I really enjoyed the Tinkerer. He was a great healer and range fighter. He rarely gets exhausted. Once he was about to get exhausted but he killed a major creature and healed an ally before going out. I retired him when I finished his quest and just started the Summoner. First scenarios and i am playing her completely wrong.

[@donaldnoland3989]

Excellent video! I find your class guides very helpful. My wife and I are going through Gloomhaven after finishing JOtL. Please do a Cthulhu guide!

[@neuralnetgames6540]

hahaha awesome. I am literally finishing the final edit today and it will be posted this wednesday!

[@AllYouCanBoard]

I love seeing lists like this, nice job putting this together and explaining your reasoning for each class. Surprised to see most of the classes I've played are at the bottom of your list, haha, like Tinkerer, Triforce, Demolitionist. I've also played a few others like Three Spears, Eclipse, Hatchet... anyway, I understand what you mean about Triforce, starts weak and is tricky (and needs good items) to do well with, but I still think I'd have them in B tier just based on how crazy that damage can be later on. Tinkerer is tough to measure up against the rest because so much of what you do is somewhat intangible... giving cards back to your allies, having every status effect available for the right situation... how do you quantify versatility? But I totally agree that Tinkerer gets weaker late game. I've seen almost every class in action in my group (except Red Guard and Voidwarden) and I agree with most of your rankings more or less. Now you've got me wondering about Demolitionist in Gloomhaven and in a bigger group because I've only tried them out solo in JotL alongside Hatchet, and Demolitionist felt pretty strong. Anyway, great video! Looking forward to more content here. - Carlo

[@neuralnetgames6540]

Yeah I think Triforce is debatable because a good portion of the rating is due to the complexity, and totally agree on versatility... hard to pin it down because it's somewhat hard to quantify! Thanks so much for watching and commenting!

[@steave435]

@@neuralnetgames6540 I really think it needs two separate ratings - before and after level 7. At level 9, it's amazing. You can do the following turns reliably every rotation, without any assistance at all: 1. heal 3+attack 3, 2. attack everything in range for 4 with curse and muddle 3 (or more with the right helmet) for 4 with curse and muddle, 3. execute an area of normals and 4. (using a wind wand, mana potion, enhancement on move 2+ice or help from a friend etc) attack 5, range 4, pierce 4+heal 3 And many of those attacks will have +1 on them from consuming some random element that happens to be present, either from monsters, friends, items, more enhancements or your attack modifiers.

[@znail4675]

@@neuralnetgames6540 I don't think you should include complexity in a power rating, some actually consider complexity a bonus as it makes for more interesting play.

[@blacknad]

Excellent summary. Thank you.

[@neuralnetgames6540]

Glad it was helpful!

[@gregcampanello6890]

Thanks for the video! Master influence fixes the problem you speak of for the voidwarden. It's a loss, but pretty much has to be used because of wanting to curse the monster deck

[@neuralnetgames6540]

Thanks Greg and fair point! So because of that do you think voidwarden should move up in the rankings? Don’t forget to subscribe, more content coming out shortly!

[@gregcampanello6890]

@@neuralnetgames6540 Yeah I think B tier? Seems to support pretty well and has a good mix of ranged attacking in there at higher levels. My biggest complaints for the class would be lack of move/jump, and also very hard to get any money or treasure at least in my experience in the main campaign

[@mattmatier5745]

I agree with this. I haven't played high level but the void warden seems really strong so far. The Master Influence is definitely a must to use your deck instead of theirs. We've had a lot of success in our campaigns with cursing as well so was happy to have some of that in JotL

[@neuralnetgames6540]

Yep for sure! This is one class that I've changed opinions on since this was done and I would agree that it should probably move up. In the next few months I will do an updated list and if you haven't already, go ahead and subscribe and check out my other Gloomhaven contact! Thanks so much for taking the time to comment!

[@gregcampanello6890]

Other comment I would make is that she is much more powerful in parties of 3 or 4 in my experience, or with other classes that throw more figures onto the board like 2 minis. Just easier to stay in range of support without moving, to allow use of the bottom half to also buff my teammates

[@kongo621]

This makes me laugh. My wife and I have only played 1 character each so far. She chose Hatchet and I chose Demolitionist. I always felt like I couldn't keep up. On the final boss she races up the stairs and annihilates the boss in 3 turns. I don't remember what she played but one card doubled the attack of her next attack, then she used an attack 6, and THEN she pulls a x2 modifier. Meanwhile I pop in the door a turn too late like, "Hey I'm here tp help..." 🤣

[@neuralnetgames6540]

lol yeah tough to keep up with the Hatchet!

[@nicolashumblet824]

Don't know how you play the Demo but me and my gf have the same team and I'm absolutely smashing with the Demo. Usually doing the biggest job on the bosses.

[@jakes.5206]

I'd also say that certain scenarios that depend upon specific enemy movement (e.g. 77) or player obstacles are vastly different with the cragheart, which is why I love to play him. Also the sawbone's ability to apply two status effects and then immediately kill any enemy with two status effects is huge.

[@RageBadgerGaming]

Always good to see another person talking Gloomhaven other than us! Definitely the first I've seen to build a tier list and put Lightning Bolts above Eclipse though, that's a statement. :D

[@neuralnetgames6540]

Thanks! Love your channel! I think they are really close but I think lightning bolts is better for a few reasons: vastly superior against bosses, although there aren’t a ton of bosses. Better against large amounts of enemies, but slightly worse than eclipse against elites. Much better for the rest of the team as lightning bolt soaks up way more aggro allowing the rest of the team to be more offense oriented vs using control or movement. Some time in the near future I will put my money where my mouth is and do some damage calcs! Thanks again for commenting I’m a big fan!!

[@RageBadgerGaming]

@@neuralnetgames6540 Same reason I calculate Crag so high, it's just about control. If you control a scenario, you win. That said raw damage? Lightning bolts absolutely wins. :) Glad you like our stuff, this video was a fun watch.

[@neuralnetgames6540]

Yeah raw dmg not even close but more talking about comparing dmg output between lightning bolt and eclipse when you assign a dmg value to eclipses specific type of “ abilities” lol trying to not spoiler too much.

[@deadwhitemales]

Really fun video! The demolitionist is a beast in our game. Doesn’t seem like D at all. He’s an XP making machine and the situational nature of the class is easily overcome if you play as a team. Destroying obstacles opens up pathways, enemies are often up against walls… and when you really need to destroy objectives there’s no one better. It’s a matter of getting used to the rhythm of the class: skipping a turn to bank damage for later and releasing it out for a mega punch to one-shot something right when you need it most. Mat least within the context of the JOTL 4- man group, he’s felt easily as strong as the rest of the group.

[@neuralnetgames6540]

I love Demo too but this ranking includes ability to perform in regular Gloom as well and that's where the Demo just can't cut it. Agreed in just JOTL pretty decent although it takes more work than other classes to be good!

[@Stompit100]

I'm playing the demo with my group of friends and he's way too situational for my liking

[@IanMorency]

Music note is a blast to play. Just finished the game playing him and his modifier deck is godly!!!

[@neuralnetgames6540]

ya it's pretty crazy!

[@IanMorency]

@@neuralnetgames6540 we had a mission with a NPC that we needed to choose a modifier deck to use... My team decided to use music's deck. Overkill!!!

[@tbone9474]

Personally I put the beast tyrant A tier, at least if you go pure bear build. I always take the swap positions card and health transfer card, and the AoE and sustain damage you can dish out is insane. Quickly became my second favourite behind the spellweaver

[@kanwang4165]

I would even put it in S tier given the right items equipped, and I’ve played nightshroud, quartermaster and beserker

[@tbone9474]

@@kanwang4165 with the 2 rings that give you free use of top or bottom part of your card deck, and you can do a crap ton in a turn

[@VitorGouveiaBr]

I just played until level 9 with the Beast Tyrant and, no pun intended, HE'S A BEAST. I was dishing something like 140 damage each map + most healing + most tanking everymap until retirement. Just go full bear and you'll be a force of the nature. If you can manage his auto-move and play the cards right, he will always be fundamental to winning maps and dealing with big monsters. I would put him at least as a high A or a low S. B doesnt make any justice to him.

[@nevets4433]

I completely agree on the Soothsinger. Can completely break some scenarios. I play a 2P campaign though, so it can be REALLY not exciting to play sometimes. Also in 2P, there are some scenarios you simply cannot complete easily if you are forced to split off of your ally and go towards separate goals. Even with damage builds it is nigh impossible to both do damage and get curses/stuns out at the same time before your small hand size and health pool are exhausted.

[@neuralnetgames6540]

Yep C tier for fun! lol and some scenarios like you say, can be a real pain when you have to split up in 2 player!

[@tAfkaA23]

I have to disagree. Out of the four classes in played so far (Soothsinger, Brute, Scoundrel and a little bit Mindthief), the soothsinger is the most fun. We play in a 4 Player Group usually on hard or very hard and i think I never played disorienting dirge for the song effect. Usually i buff my mates attacks (and there are a lot of mates with "circles" and "two minis" classes and some item-summons in play) and throw stuns and disarms on our enemies (a cheap enhancement on "throw voice" allows you to stun/disarm up to seven enemies in a single turn). Her initiative often allows me to go before my mates and the enemies so I started taking doing requests. Not having to be adjacent to my allies or enemies allowing me to loot a lot so I am also packed with potions and other stuff to enhance my allies attacks even more (creating elements for nighshrouds insta-kills or Spellweaver inferno). And the great attack modifier deck makes the few attacks that I (or my summon) do really count. All in all, for me she's superior both in effectiveness and fun :)

[@neuralnetgames6540]

@@tAfkaA23 Playing with those two classes would be crazy, that's a lot of allies! Thanks for commenting, I love to hear other peoples opinions and definitely respect that and glad you are having fun! If you haven't already, please consider subscribing and check out my other Gloomhaven content!!

[@Infinity-0033]

I like windup. Before moving into a room, before enemies reach me and I set up, to pierce through shielded enemies. It has a lot of utility, glad it exists, and it’s 4 damage which is great. The fact that it stacks onto other attacks means that 4 damage is effectively not being reduced by shielded enemies most times

[@marcot7572]

Interesting video. Just a note regarding voidwalker and the reasoning behind c tier placement: curse and monster manipulation. There is a permanent ability card which allows you to use your own deck for monster attacks when controlling them.

[@neuralnetgames6540]

Yeah that was my bad lol. Was my least played class at the time, old video! Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@govetenko]

Came here to say this. Glad it was brought up

[@Flamingcloud083]

Eclipse is probably #1 overall for me, especially two player. In 2 player Soothsinger is just B or maybe even C because you require 1 person to do your entire scenario's dmg.. but Eclipse is always broken. Scoundrel is probably B for me (at least prior to level 9...) and Lightning bolt is at best mid-A for me maybe not even.. Cragheart would probably be the top of A getting really close to S.. There is just so much he can do that no one else can including huge amount of cards with damage that ignores shield, extremely powerful range and melee, some healing and obstacle removal/creation packaged with high hp/card count. (arguably the most fun class as well)

[@amunkhufu]

Cragheart is the mercenary I would never want to retire. He is a melee and range beast with lots of AoE. Playing around with obstcles and use them to add more damage are pure fun. He is one of the fastest to lvl up too. He is my favorite

[@alaningram4937]

I like the spell weaver. I've been watching your videos. I struggled at first, but now I have her smoking enemies. She is a relentless damage machine. Card management is key, but once you get the rhythm she is just nasty.

[@yaboiskittlez7943]

So I know this video is a bit older, but I notice there is a class missing. And I can't ever really find anything on this class which saddens me a little bit because I love the class but I can't figure out how to use it. If you know which class I am talking about, maybe you can shed some light on it? I know why some people don't talk about this class is because the way you unlock it, but info on it would be awesome.

[@petergallai469]

Nice video and I agree with you on most parts but man, you have to show more love towards the JOTL characters :D The comment section have already done justice to the Voidwarden so I am not going to mention Master Influencer ;) But I feel the movement issue for the Hatchet and Voidwarden is kind of misjudged. I have played through JOTL then imported these two characters to the big box campaign and made both of them retire at 650+ XP each and movement was never an issue for me despite the fact that these characters are indeed tailored for smaller maps. I achieved that by simply adding the following cards to the Voidwarden: Resigned Frenzy (lvl X) + Commanding Presence (lvl 3) and the following ones to the Hatchet: Extra Lift (lvl X) + the Bottom Half of the lvl 5 card. (I did not use it for the top). As a final note, I think it is extremely hard to determine the Voidwarden true power level as it hugely fluctuates based on player count and whether a group or person is playing with perfect information or not. With perfect information she is easily an A tier like any support classes but where she differs from other supports is that she can function very well at lower player counts too. She scales extremely well to the enemy count as she can disable smaller monster groups or turn them against each other if there is a lot of them.

[@neuralnetgames6540]

lol I'll try to be nicer to them. one day I will redo this vid

[@viesturskokarevics2427]

A lot depends on party composition and personal preferences :D I would put Mindthief in A for sure, good looting, CC, high damage, ranged attacks on later levels, invis, she is a killer. Eclipse in S lvl, executes do not care for misses and shields and are easy to set up. And if you are invis, no damage comming your way. Brute B for me, he is powerfull enough and was my first character :) In Gripeaway videos Voidvarden is played quite effectively, could be higher as well. I like Tink, but she could be better. But Chimeric Formula is interesting card, imagine giving Berserker one of Drifters cards, Berserker becomes untouchable :D

[@neuralnetgames6540]

Yeah circumstance and personal experience is definitely going to alter perception which is why this game is so great! Voidwarden is one of the few that I definitely got wrong, no doubt lol. I will be putting out an updated tier list at some point!

[@viesturskokarevics2427]

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[@DirkJanFotografie]

I do work at a kindergarten and did like the summoner. When mainly using it as a ranged spellcaster with 1-2 summons (the wolves and the thorn shooter) it’s actually a pretty fun class to play. It was my second character after playing the Scoundrel first. We had the Doomstalker and Soothsinger (great for keeping the summons alive) in the party too and it worked very fun. Too bad nobody was making any elements so to get out more damage and xp, more people creating elements would’ve been nice.

[@neuralnetgames6540]

It can be really fun to play but it definitely takes some work and you need to be a really good multitasker. It can be very painful if the wrong type of person unlocks this class lol

[@DenilsonHerlambang]

Thanks fo the video! Since I am watchig this from a smartphone, its hard to read the card text clearly. Maybe you could zoom it a bit more??

[@neuralnetgames6540]

Thanks for watching and for the feedback! For future vids I’ll increase the card size. If you haven’t already please subscribe!

[@Zwerggoldhamster]

Out of the 6 characters I have played, I was the most disappointed about the circles class when I unlocked them, but I think it was the class I had the most fun with overall.

[@05weasel]

Early game, spellweaver with a power potion, eagle eye goggles and her level one summon is crazy. If you can keep her and the summon alive and play reviving ether at the right time she can be MVP for sure. I know I’m not sharing fresh info but I played a scenario on digital last night and she went off.

[@jeremyschneidt4258]

The soothsinger is broken, it is fun. I found a blend build so it isn’t so broke

[@diegoarejano1954]

Perfect!! 🚀🤙

[@RationalOrc]

I don't think any of the starting 6 rise above a low B tier. They are meant to be weak relative to what the unlockable classes got going on. I think a lot of people think the spellweaver and scoundrel are better than they actually are because they only really only see them in action against the other starting that are quite weak.

[@MichaelAndersen_DK]

I really enjoyed Voidwarden, especially using Master influence and gobbling away on random elements for the added bonus.

[@RobertWF42]

Do you think the Brute could be fixed by, for example, adjusting the damage inflicted on its attack cards by +1 or +2?

[@theswiftdodo5870]

yeah on some later on ones

[@charlylee7795]

Quick question, is a character unlock permenant or do i have to unlock them for every single campaign ?

[@Calloflunacy]

man Beast Tyrant has been just cleaning house in my games, that bear being able to attack like 7 times in a round is just absurd with a good attack deck. Surprised he wasn't in S tier, he's made so many boss battles a joke.

[@yallys]

Agree with you. THis is my favorite class because he is op but also fun to play compared to the other S classes. To me it's a S, but maybe A tier might be more logical because you don't have infinite loop or non loss card that stun/curse in Aoe that totally breaks the game. But the damage output of the bear is huge and very strong against bosses too yes. (Sorry if I did english mistakes I'm french)

[@VitorGouveiaBr]

totally agree. If you put a full bear build, you can do like 4 to 5 attacks with 5 damage each (+ modfiers) per turn easily, without burning a card. You can EVEN long rest and do damage with the bear. Also, if you play a 4 player campaign, you barely need to move the tyrant (mine was at the same tile the whole game). Finally, you have the charater swap card that is BROKEN in a lot of scenarios. We won so many games because of this card... Beast Tyrant is a least A Tier and can be a low S if you know your build well (just go full bear)

[@michaeloxendine178]

Do these rankings count for the digital version as well?

[@RationalOrc]

The biggest problem with the Brute is that you have to wait until level 7 to get a proper tanking card. That's way too late in the game. That permanent shield should have been unlocked around level 3 I think.

[@anansi9291]

Brute is the only class that made me seriously consider taking Possession at high levels. You can get into pretty interesting shenanigans with some of Brute’s cards.

[@MrMagyar5]

lol.. you don't need to reduce their damage with the Soothsinger when the Berserker just makes everything dead.

[@neuralnetgames6540]

hahaha fair point!

[@Chris-ki7kn]

great video, wish it included envelope x as well

[@bayblade02gobeasts39]

For the moon class, for the card spirits of the night, can you kill an enemy anywhere? What is the range? ( for the top action if you use the dar) Thx

[@slydevil4759]

Soothsinger and Plague make a pretty good combo. Soothsinger can curse ALOT. Plague has a card that every time enemies do 0 damage with curse they suffer 3 damage and a pretty big AOE muddle to make the curse more reliable.

[@anansi9291]

Sounds like a fun combo indeed! My only concern is that you can quickly max out the number of curses, so the curse cards will loose their full effectiveness at that point. The muddle is pretty good though. My brother just got his Tinkerer converted to the Plague guy, so I cannot wait to try out the synergy with my Mindthief. I am gonna help with Mass Hysteria, but we all know who is going to use all the darkness ;)

[@danne696]

Kinda fun how my group plays that combo in the opposite way, where Plague is the main curser and Soothsinger throws up the permanent disadvantage song. Everyone is a tank if the enemy never hits!

[@scoobiusmaximus9508]

"You've got power pitch and double throw, you can easily knock out 12-14 damage" I've never seen my damage with that combo below 18, and I've hit above 40 with it. You need to throw in The Favorite to bring Power Pitch to 9 damage at the very least, and you really should be gaining advantage somehow for a double loss attack. Throw in poison, + damage items, and blesses and I've 1 shot bosses more than once. Also Voidwarden can use her deck for monster attacks with Master Influence. It's pretty much the most important card she has.

[@followdcb]

I’ve noticed that, and with that it prob makes it an A tier

[@Cool_hand_luker]

Spoiler!!!!!!!! No bladeswarm?

[@dtnuh]

Thanks for this, I really enjoy tier lists and hearing other people's opinions! Just my opinion, but I would swap Eclipse and Lightning Bolt, and have Spellweaver and Angry Face in B tier (although a Level 9 Spellweaver could arguably be A tier.) Also, Lightning Bolt, Music Note are female (I think Mindthief is too, but could be wrong on that one.) Kudos to you!

[@neuralnetgames6540]

lol I legit laughed at this because I frequently get the gender wrong of the classes! It is just so hard to tell! Don't you think that Lightning Bolt is vastly superior against bosses though? Maybe it was just how my friend played them(and he played both Eclipse and Lightning Bolt, back to back) but I really felt like it was easier with Lightning Bolt. Don't get me wrong, Eclipse is insane but Lightning bolt can trivialize bosses on a regular basis. Anyways I really appreciate the thoughtful comments and, if you haven't already, please subscribe as I'll be putting content out every couple of days going forward.

[@dtnuh]

@@neuralnetgames6540 I suppose if you were ranking them strictly on usefulness on bosses, perhaps. But overall, a Level 6+ Eclipse trivializes most scenarios. Just deleting the biggest threats with his non loss auto kill, rinse and repeat. On top of that he can manipulate monster movement with clever use of invisibility by creating choke points, blocking doors and such.

[@coreyfisher2598]

@@neuralnetgames6540 I would agree that eclipse isn’t strong against bosses, but eclipse dominates every other scenario. Lightning Bolt is the opposite. Since there are so many more scenarios without bosses, I’d go with the eclipse over lightning bolt

[@Yadayadayada117]

To make it somewhat fair, and fun, I am playing the Nightshroud as a damage dealer (which is still good) instead of executioner. it is still unfair! you can be invisible 90% of the game. I don't think it would be very fun just deleting enemies. with the right items you can delete 3 enemies in the first 3 turns. I think it would take away the fun for everyone (including myself) because levels are no longer difficult. you know that you are going to win as the executioner. I am in a 2 player group playing 2 characters each on level 5. we opened up a tiny room with 9 enemies in it. the quartermaster and summoner went in and did as much damage before dying (killed 2), then my nightshroud and Sawbones finished the scenario. sawbones took less than half damage and nightshroud took 1 hit. it was ridiculous.

[@neuralnetgames6540]

@@Yadayadayada117 What we did when we had some of the overpowered classes is we turned the difficulty up to make it more challenging!! that way you get more gold and xp as well! Thanks for taking the time to comment and if you haven't already please consider subscribing, more content coming out every couple of days!

[@ArgothaWizardWars]

Spellweaver with inferno can singlehandedly clear a room in one/two turns with a stam pot. How is she not S?

[@codyvandal2860]

Not only that but the warhammer item allows her to stun the entire room with inferno as well. So the survivors dont get act at all. 3 spears can also refresh her hammer..

[@pablocamarasa9633]

The elementalist is the most OP character I experienced so far. With vengeance and eternal equilibrium, you can obliterate almost everything with just a few moves. It is a little hard to play but once you get used to it, it's pretty smooth. I do admit it's weak at first because you don't have much of elemental energy available but at level 6 and on, you are just a beast

[@xsacklunchx]

No. Please, continue to use the name.

[@orohyuno]

The Spellweaver being A really upset the whole B tier to me. All of them scale better than the Spellweaver, and like every B tier mentioned, she feels strong at the beginning and then she does not. By lvl 9 she was the meme of the party, even to the person playing her, and was only doing Inferno all the time to try and help minimally, IF there's no shielded monsters. She is just fine, not overpowered at all, and getting back her burned cards doesn't feel like an advantage, it feels just good enough to compensate her small hand with a lot of burning cards. Totally B tier. Also I believe in Cragheart A tier supremacy, I played him all the way to level 9 and he scaled amazingly, after lvl 6 he felt like the heart of party, doing the most damage, healing and tanking all at the same time. He was like "Are you struggling being alive? Here, have 5 heal. Are you guys struggling with this monster? Here, lemme deal 8 damage to it. I guess I'll activate my axe to deal 8 to another target too, I hope this helps. Oh don't worry guys, I can be your only frontline, no problems, I'll just retaliate for 4 this turn. Shielded enemies? What are those? I just pass by and they perish."

[@oliverjones2426]

yeah shes the only character i really cant get behind at all, she feels overly simple and really not that good

[@shorgoth]

The thinker has 1 winning card, the one that gives 1 cart back 2 if you have ice element to play with, My team has a thinker , a quartermaster and a spellweaver, the spellweaver uses its move get the element you want card, provisoneer just gets back a lot 2 of his own cards, burns his own cards to give back consumables and the thinkerer just cycle that gain back cards to other players all the time with ice... we end up being able to play a LONG time before we run out. We have a bow on both the weaver and the Thinkerer and the quartermaster refill them on need to keep that armor piercing aoe up.

[@aaronsalinas3854]

You forgot the persistant lost that lets you use your deck for attack

[@iantaylor2331]

I like your tier list. I personally would bump saw and two mini to A. Redguard with regular Gloomhaven items is A tier. Voidwarden and elementalist to B. Downgrade scoundrel and spellweaver to B. Eclipse to S. Summoner is C. Demolitionist is well balanced for jaws of the lion. In regular Gloomhaven I think bumping his hand limit to 10 would make him a B character. His mech suit has interesting possibilities that are totally negated by his terrible stamina. Still I agree, totally terrible character worst in Gloomhaven.

[@xshymex]

I feel like Crag is great against shielded baddies because of the flat damage he does with his rocks

[@gavinstewart3901]

I house ruled allies looting the favorite can “throw” it back to the hatchet

[@aweso]

Just played a really great game yesterday with the triangles class and I was thinking about how he's the most fun I've had with gloomhaven so I was curious to see what other people thought. Sad to see him low but I get it, but he's so much fun to play with that extra layer of planning. Sadly he's one scenario away from retiring, but glad to see my next class will be a strong one (I skipped over that section because I want to be surprised but see it landed in the a tier). Funny so far I've played according to your tier list c, then a, then c, and next will be another a.

[@mikewestbrook1142]

The Demolitionist excels in the Jaws of the Lion scenarios. If you play to her strengths she is an easy B tier. Use push - keep things pinned to the walls, look for things to destroy for bonuses, etc. You can thin her modifier deck to 10 cards and remove all but the crit-miss from it. This means she works well with the Voidwarden who grants nice advantaged attacks to others and her beautiful thin modifier deck is a juicy target. It's a fun, clever class ...if you play her where she excels - in the in the Jaws of the Lion campaign. Lots of synergy going on between those four campaign classes. Good stuff. With four good players, it almost feels like seal-team unit working their way through missions - each class with an important role. P.S. Maybe the Demo is a supposed to be male, but I've always thought of her like a Jinx character so... RP-wise, she is Jinx from L. of Legends.

[@neuralnetgames6540]

Yeah fair enough, these tier lists are always tough because Gloomhaven is a well designed game and any class can shine in the right circumstances. Thanks so much for commenting and if you haven't already please subscribe and check out my other Gloomhaven content!!

[@jakegarnier8365]

I couldn't agree more, I just finished my first Jaws of the Lion 4 player play through as demolitionist and felt like the MVP throught the entire run. The insane combos with redguard having players deal additional damage for each attack and demo's multi attacks, plus the mentioned small deck with the big one/windup/voidwarden blessings/oaken blessings felt absolutely insane. Similarly, she has consistent attack 5's when enemies are against walls which is pretty frequent in Jaws of the Lion scenarios. But I do understand why she would be lower rated on her own or in regular gloomhaven, and how she may not shine in many circumstances. Also I found tons of uses for windup and feel like it is actually a pretty great card, the potential to move 10 deal 10 damage with a possible 2x modifier because of the stacked blessings from voidwarden was a powerful start for me in many bossfights. Plus adding two damage to the big one is always a lot of fun.

[@neuralnetgames6540]

@@jakegarnier8365 Demo is definitely good in the right circumstances and is more suited to just JOTL vs the other classes which can do better in regular Gloomhaven. Thanks for commenting!

[@james-michaelrobson287]

@@jakegarnier8365 I agree with the demo being MVP more than any of the other 3 of us in JOTL. This becomes more true now that he has his suit and can off tank and drill single targets to death too

[@DidierPilon]

See I felt like the demolition isn’t was easily the worst of the 4 characters. The other 3 felt strong in their own way, but the demolitionist just felt very meh.

[@kevincaruthers5412]

Based on the characters I have unlocked, it seems like: Berzerker, Shadow shroud, and Soothsinger should make a decent party. . Can't wait until I unlock Squid Face... In combination with Shadow, that is a game breaking setup. IMO :D

[@Knittely]

Wait, you didn't even mentioned the soothsingers, retaliate 2 song? I think that's what makes him S tier. Even ranged enemies will receive this retalitate. It's a great way to bypass shields and counter multi attacks. I agree with you for the most part. I would put beast master a bit higher, alone from his target 3 range 4 disarm attack at ini 19 which is very good to stall enemies, while the rest of your team as well as your bear can deal damage. On the other hand the summoner felt very weak whenever I saw her, but I have only seen her up to level 3 yet, so I don't know how she scales into the later levels.

[@RC_Trailblazers]

The scoundrel was broken when I played her. You could 1 shot bosses upwards for 70 damage in 1 attack if you had the right items and cards. Lots of fun very situational the why I played but 1 shooting bosses was always fun.

[@madskirkthgersen762]

Rock Slide makes the Cragheart an A. If you use it right.

[@neuralnetgames6540]

It's definitely an amazing card! It's even better in Gloomhaven Digital as there are so many of those 1 room scenarios where you have to survive relentless enemy spawns. Obstacle course FTW!

[@stevenpremo860]

I know this is a super late reply but I totally agree. Cragheart felt nearly broken to me during my time as him in me and my wife's 2P campaign. The obstacle creation and manipulation was amazing for funneling things where you wanted them and ensuring only one or two things ever got to do what they wanted to do, not to mention the reliable suffer damage. Loved this class so much, had a very unique feel. TLDR: Always play the obstacle build with Cragheart

[@chasecollins5958]

I agree that music note is broken, but I disagree that it isn’t fun, I feel like it has so much variability to it in how you go about things that allows all the other classes to just do what they want. And not worry so much about getting one shot. That’s just me though

[@Broockle]

lol I played Sooth Singer for a while. Super boring to play, and my team was constantly mad at me not giving them the permanent +1 armor buff. Cursing was kinda neat tho, but I couldn't attack anything or heal anyone which made me feel quite useless a lot of the time.

[@pietermichiels4177]

Kinda crazy the brute in c tier? My friends and I HAD to bruteforce retirement because it dealt such ridiculous damage against multiple targets. Played with sawman and some backline damage, this class ran every scenario with ease. Which ended up being a little annoying even 😅

[@worshaka]

I'd personally rank the Spellweaver as B. Can be situationally strong but as you pointed out, struggles against sheild and it can be difficult to get max value on the aoe spells, particularly if it's a 2 character party. Is a little squishy and can suffer from a poor hand size in larger scenarios. You really need to burn to do anything good and you can easily run out of turns in those longer scenarios or simply have weak turns to survive long enough. Still good but I think you oversell it's power.

[@worshaka]

I think the Brute is a lot better than you make out too. He can be very tanky and output a lot of damage. He has tools to work around traps, he can deal with shielded mobs, he just has a lot of tools to be useful. I think he's undersild quite a bit.

[@Jack_Sparrow_85]

@@worshaka Definitely agree that the Brute is A tier as far as i can tell, ive only just started playing but my friend who is playing brute does really well for us.

[@worshaka]

@@Jack_Sparrow_85 I wouldn't go that far. For pure personal power the Brute is a little under the curve. It's real power is the dynamic he has for the group. At least as a tank build, I'm not sure the damage build does enough.

[@Xgourouneitor]

I think you did demolitionist a bit dirty. She has the best perk tree in the game. Once you perk her up her modifier deck becomes ridiculous, you only get to draw +2 all the time, and that's before she starts blessing herself just because she can. Attacks like her 1+1+2 end up doing 10-14 damage easily without any help. She has plenty of stun and push, she has stun in the bottom which is phenomenal, she has pretty good move cards and she can ignore shields for the whole team. She also gets a ton of xp very fast without burning cards.

[@jgjertsen]

The Voidwarden is A tier, or S. Starts slow, but give her comfortable shoes and she completely wins scenarios at higher levels.

[@neuralnetgames6540]

agreed on the A, but not S. I was wrong in this vid for sure!

[@juanjesustorressalcedo780]

I agree im playing jaws of the lion and starts slow but then carry the team

[@loripiper42]

I have played Gloomhaven for years, currently playing on Steam in seven different campaigns. I’ve played 12 of these classes in the last month, month and a half. My fave is by far the Berzerker, but I also love-love-love the Demolitionist. I disagree that he’s the worst character in the game-for me that was easily the Voidwarden. I get that he’s a little situational, but still very effective, especially in larger groups. I have played him… four times? And it’s a character that I keep coming back to because he’s just so much fun. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@madskirkthgersen762]

... Like your videos, but you have misunderstood the Voidwarden... She is good. And she doesn't care about the enemy modifier decks? She uses her own on a lose card? She is a B easily.

[@neuralnetgames6540]

Yeah, already pointed out to me in the comments more than once...but thanks for pointing it out again :) I'll be putting out a second tier list at some point and I think based on new experience and comments she's definitely higher than where I ranked her!

[@michalpiotrgorecki]

Saw has to be highter. I mean you give your tank permament shield 1 and then just jump inside enemy force and constantly disarm them, put on them various negative effects, heal yourself and curse them after you enchant. I had situations where I told my team to go coz this room of 8 enemies is mine and i'd just stand in and clear enemies. Just that is not enought but remember about my tank who had+1 armor. Sunmaker with permament 3 armor was a menace. And oh boi, when our brute swithed to note.. we had lvl 5-7 characters, played maximum lvl scenarios and walked througth them like if they were super easy.

[@aaronsalinas3854]

Okay, i need to know how to make the bad ones better. More viable. I have stickers, and ready to add and cover up bad stuff lol help me.

[@neuralnetgames6540]

Not sure if I can cover that off in a comment but I think it's a good idea for a video. Just to be clear you mean sticker certain classes that are considered lower tier to make them more viable, without breaking them? If that's the case it's actually a really interesting idea for a video series.

[@zoardkozelka8713]

When you attack with the void varden you use her deck. It's not metter if actually she attacks of she makes enemies attack. It's in the rules

[@randomnamegenerator945]

Loved it but mind thief is high A or S to me and soothsinger was a D. Mainly for the fun factor and because I was playing two player so the scenarios took forever with the lack of damage she did.

[@amunkhufu]

Cragheart is a walking killing machine.

[@falkschmutzler4548]

Ich hatte sehr viel spass mit dem Barden und es gibt zig andere spielweisen. wenn dir die eine keinen spass mehr macht, versuch mal ne andere spiel ihn doch einfach mal doppellied: wunde/heilung mit dem 2ten Heillied als heiler auf lvl2 und weniger auf fluch mehr auf stun. Deckgröße wird zur Herausforderung und andere haben auch ihren Spass.

[@FastrThanYou77]

Soothsinger can be a lot of fun. Just gotta build him right. I play it moving right into the enemies faces, disarming, attacking, cursing.. doing a little bit of everything. Drawing tons of attack modifiers from the best attack modifier deck..

[@JJ-ku8bm]

Soothesinger basically must have the solo scenario item, that opens many new possibilites and allows more fun actions. I would consider not utilizing the character in the most efficient way, it's really bit broken and to have fun You require challenge.

[@donaldtrumpscat2443]

I think Brute was misunderstood here. He might not be an S or A tier, but C is clearly too low. My Brute earns ridiculous amounts of xp, sobs of damage for the whole team and deals pretty much damage, I crushed my enemies with 16 dmg(with lvl 1 cards)in one turn before, earned 10xp within a single round and didn't even burn a card for that. The only problem is lack of agility and healing cards. That flaws can be easily removed with a few items. And if you play with a tinkerer or other healer, you can dominate the scenario.

[@Gaudaloth]

Im just a scoundrel lover, i one shoted so many bosses, and on last boss i did 88 damage on one turn

[@neuralnetgames6540]

lol ya that feels pretty good when you do it. Although tbh I felt real sadness with how bad the last boss was...

[@Gaudaloth]

@@neuralnetgames6540 ah yes it was a big disapointment mechanically wise, just big damage and hp, no fun mechanics, i hear the expansion its better on the boss department

[@sanchellewellyn3478]

The Scoundrel was the first character I played. Played the lvl 9 card Watch It Burn (all attacks inflict poison and wound) followed by multi-shot cards like Stiletto Storm and my teammates just mopped up the remains.

[@oliverjones2426]

i think in the right situation with the right gear they can all be s tier or c tier. also some classes are made for 4 player party and other are more versatile. Like the summoner, plagueherald, tinkerer and soothsigner are clearly full party . The only classes that give me a bad experience when i play are nightshroud , voidwarden and elementalist and spellweaver, i dont like the over the top management. the nightshroud is too slow and has little to no move cards which irritates me. The spellweaver small deck capacity is too frustrating, planning to burn reviving the either at the right moment doesnt feel fun to me.

[@dondonnysson4973]

Beast Tyrant is high A tier played correctly. Best way to play it is to not bring a single move card (if the scenario permits) and essentially play as the bear. Skip top action each turn and bring every bottom action attack you can. This basically means you are doing a minimum of 10 damage each turn (15 with the level 9 card). The modifier deck is great so you will usually do more and you will get rolling self heals for the bear. When things look sketchy use brutality ring at the end of your turn and rampage for at least 15 damage (that you can split between targets since the bear gets to move). This class has the best reliable damage in the game with the option of doing 30+ damage in a single turn with brutality ring and benefits a lot from buffs from allies (strengthen, ally cards that let you attack, poison on enemies, heals on bear). The monster AI is a minor inconvenience when you are smashing everything in your path.

[@kallofkthuluz5922]

I agree on the spell weaver. Inferno is disgusting with items and late game perks.

[@johanneskramer9490]

Scenario 72 becomes a walk in the park with inferno, 2 stamina potions, twin restoration and lvl 9 cthulu with mass extinction

[@dougdidier511]

I have more things to say about this than can fit here honestly. S tier should have included nightshroud and mindtheif. At high levels nightshroud is broken good. Mindtheif .... His later level cards get a bit crazy. Invisibility is key with him. When you get his mod deck strong, charge in a room with attack 1 target 4 and get solid rolling mods....you can do wicked things. I've been playing a long time and I'd say having a mindtheif will literally increase your chances of winning most scenarios by probably 20%. Berserker is good for bosses yes, but outside that? I'll stop rambling. Love your videos but disagree on a lot of these.

[@anansi9291]

Ah, a fellow Mindthief player I see :) Mindthief is my first and only class I played, so I do not know how she compares to other classes. But I can say for sure that I definitely do not struggle at 3 players all level 9. I mainly focus on regular enemies and begging for darkness xD. Even in mid level, I was still regularly outDPS-ing our Brute and Tinkerer combined. And I had no trouble bursting down bosses, elites or multiple enemies either. Attack 1 target 4 ranged does wonders even without the augments, especially if you use goggles and power potion. A particular card from Tinker makes it a bit OP xD. Target 2 (+1 with enchantment) damage 3 is a solid contender too, even if you use darkness on something else. You do need to be careful though and invisibility is indeed a key here (I still cannot justify that level 1 card though). Retaliate or ranged retaliate is usually the worst for you and I often shuffle my deck a bit for those scenarios. You really do not want to be stunned, disarmed or immobilized either, that is why invisibility and proper timing/positioning is so important here.

[@dougdidier511]

@@anansi9291 I pretty much never used invisible. I just tried to be extra cautious on when to be in and not be in combat. What o did different than a lot of people is I almost NEVER cycled minds weakness. It was just always active. I would combo scurry top with a bottom attack (I forget the card). It's not THE best class, I would say music note or quartermaster there. Maybe berserker....but to me as a starter easily #1

[@dougdidier511]

Lol I realized I was confusing mindtheif and night shroud in my original comment.

[@anansi9291]

@@dougdidier511No worries, it happened almost a year ago anyways :) I use invisibility sparingly as Mindthief, mostly to help out the party in a tough spot. Focusing on attacks without thinking about enemy damage for a few rounds does wonders for this class. Or sometimes I am just lazy and decide to long rest while invisible) I was running Mind Weakness all the time before level 9. Once I got Phantasmal Killer, I am making sure to keep darkness up most of the time, so I can use these 1 attack actions on Mind Weakness, Brain Leach and Scurry and turn them into instakill for regular enemies. This is usually an equivalent of 8 attack or more, not counting Mass Hysteria, Shared Nightmare and Dark Frenzy, which pair nicely with those cards. Even better if you enchant them or the other 3 cards with darknes. Tinkerer’s Potent Potables worked great for spamming Corrupting Embrace, but even without it I am still able to use Phantasmal Killer’s augment 4-5 times in a row even without the enchantments. Once I am out of potions, darkness cards or normal enemies, then I switch to Mind Weakness and help the team out with elites or bosses that are still alive. Phantasmal Killer’s bottom action keeps me invisible and provides good setup for my enchanted +1 target Shared Nightmare or Dark Frenzy. I like that you can switch between those play styles on a go as you are still using the same cards and your performance as Phantasmal Killer or Mind Weakness main does not suffer from it.

[@ViralZen]

Can't make frost at level 4 or lower without using a loss card. So basically a 2 round setup for a 1 damage aoe stun. If ur playing solo or with a friend, spellweaver sucks so bad as u don't have many element generation and it takes forever to setup things like impaling eruption which will only hit about 2 guys since at 2 players, there are much less enemies. I'd say D tier for 2 players, maybe C or B if levelled to max, but her damage still sucks compared to even a level 1 scoundrel who can literally 1 shot low level enemies without loss.

[@neuralnetgames6540]

Hey ViralZen thanks for watching and commenting! I get your point with Cold Fire but starting at prosperity level 2 it's a lot easier to create elements and also ice is created by other characters; Mindthief with Perverse Edge and Hostile Takeover come to mind. There are also other spoiler classes that can produce ice. Then at lvl 5 Chromatic Explosion's bottom move 2 and make any element, makes it super simple to cast Cold Fire stun consistently which is why it is so insanely powerful. The key to using Impaling Eruption well is to go late in the round, let the monsters move closer together(because of the focus rules monsters very often tend to group up, especially if they are all targeting the same character) and then move in nice and close. I can consistently hit 3+ monsters like this, although in 2 player it is definitely a bit harder! I have a bunch of other Gloomhaven videos, go ahead and check them out and let me know what you think! Again I appreciate the comment and if you haven't already please go ahead and subscribe!

[@ViralZen]

@@neuralnetgames6540 but even with the right setup, you're only doing 3 damage to a max of 4 monsters and it has to be in a line AND its a loss card and even mana bolt requires an element to be consumed just to put it to a base 3 damage. 3 damage at higher levels is just not enough considering even living bones can tank it with their innate shields. I just found it incredibly underwhelming especially starting straight out at prosperity 1 level 1 and with no treasure items or anything.

[@neuralnetgames6540]

Hey Viral Zen I think you may be misunderstanding, the monsters don't have to be in a line. You can zig and zag and take any path you want to hit 4 monsters. Heres an example /|/| (that's a zig zag pattern, lol, didn't work that well but you get the point) . You could even hit 4 monsters in a square! And don't forget that you are at disadvantage on the first monster, if you are adjacent!

[@dtnuh]

@@ViralZen You're referring to Cold Fire, right? That's not a lost card.

[@ViralZen]

@@dtnuh yeah my bad haha it's still a 1 damage stun which relies heavily on positioning and requires 2 turns to setup. Totally not worth imo.

[@chrismcclaughry6857]

Have you played the Demo at all. I disagree entirely. I did 71 damage to the last boss in 2 turns.

[@MagnumPI1979]

Yeah, I sure have. Have you played the demo in original Gloomhaven? That's most of the reason for the ranking is how it operates in original Gloomhaven as this is an OVERALL list. Any class can be amazing in small pockets of time with the exact right setup but it's how they perform through each of their levels, how they perform on average, etc that really determines whether they are good or not. I may differ from the community on some other rankings but I think you'll find that most people would agree with this assessement. Demo is fun and cool but generally far too situational, especially in original Gloomhaven!

[@neuralnetgames6540]

Magnumpi is me by the way logged into my wrong Google account again

[@scolack123]

Explain how you did 71 damage in two turns on the last boss

[@Stompit100]

I'm playing demo, don't like her very much

[@mjlxbox]

I can’t disagree more with your ranking of demo…. Maybe I’m biased cause it was my first character. But my demo saved the day on MANY scenarios in our JOL play through. Can’t speak to anything regarding base Gloomhaven game as we haven’t started that game yet but are planning to soon. It saddens me to hear that people dislike the demo

[@SilentHunterAsassin]

i agree on most of this, except musicnote, she is s tier no doubt, but nobody in their right mind uses disorienting dirge top action, its all about the bottom half

[@neuralnetgames6540]

I played it more for the top because disadvantage when you have curses in the monster deck basically destroys their ability to ever damage you(hyperbole but you get the point). Monsters pulling twice as many modifiers when they have so many curses is amazing. Bottom is also very good, but I can guarantee you a lot of people are playing this for the top!

[@dtnuh]

Agree with this, especially if you enhance the bottom...GG

[@horstmeier2664]

Eclipse is SS tier. She is a tier above Three Spears and Music note, she is that good. She can solo 2 player scenarios on very hard and trivializes most scenarios once she hits level 7. Lightning Bolt is overrated. I've seen him in scenarios with Spellweaver and Angry Face and do nothing because of positioning and initiative issues. Melee damage isn't that good in Gloomhaven imho. He is certainly not S tier, maybe not even A tier. Mindthief is A tier for his low initiative stuns alone. He also does very good damage. Executes are almost always broken if you play him to level 9.

[@neuralnetgames6540]

Warning: some very minor spoilers below. I think it's pretty subjective due to how things change through the levels, player counts, etc, so I respect everyone's opinion as their experience may have differed! That being said, Lightning Bolt is 100% S in my opinion. Also Lightning Bolt is way better in boss fights so if you have fought a bunch of bosses she is going to feel a lot stronger than Eclipse. I have seen her do over 200 dmg, multiple times, in a scenario. Some reasons why I think she is S Tier(and Eclipse is probably S tier too... I'll probably put out another tier video in the next few months) -Can burst way faster and do way better in really strong rooms. You can easily kill multiple elites in back to back turns with with her(with a simple prosperity 3 item. -Vastly superior against elites until Eclipse hits level 6. -Better against bosses(13 possible scenarios) -Better against named monsters(7 possible scenarios) this is 20 scenarios combined which is over 1/5th of the game where she is pretty clearly better) -Better against large numbers of monsters -Better against objectives that need to be damaged -Absorbs far more aggro. Eclipse is mostly trying not to get hit and so it causes the rest of the party to play more conservatively to manage positioning and initiative which means more suboptimal teammate plays. Thanks for commenting and totally respect your opinion even though it differs. This is what I love about Gloomhaven and it clearly shows how well the game is designed. Thanks for watching!

[@horstmeier2664]

@@neuralnetgames6540 Do you play first or second edition Lightning Bolt? Because she got nerfed quite a bit in second edition. I just checked her cards again, there is nothing standing out to me. Sorry, I don't see the cards that make her a superb damage dealer. She has a bottom attack 4 and some attack 5s on top (mostly with drawbacks). Other then a very situational card that could deliver 6 or 7 for a round or two, I don't see much attack here. Maybe Glass Hammer->Resolute Stand against bosses, but I wouldn't do that vs elites as you will probably exhaust fairly quickly afterwards. Angry Face is a boss killer tool and did more damage vs monsters in my experience. What difficulty do you play on? With Eclipse we had the problem that even very hard became a walk in the park. I decided to re-skill her and not pick swallowed by fear because me and my group pretty much decided playing with it is pointless. We could have gone higher then very hard, but that wouldn't have helped. Between low initiative stuns and Swallowed by Fear, monsters just didn't get turns. Other characters would have felt even more irrelevant. This was with a pre level 7 Triangles in the group.

[@horstmeier2664]

​@korrok Eclipse easily deals more then 20 damage preventing often 5 or more with one non loss action. She doesn't care about shield or retaliate. There is also no randomness at all, no misses and extremely fast initiative. She can block off rooms standing in the door, which is actually the strongest method of tanking in the game. Music note is strong, but Eclipse is on a whole different level. You can only really see the difference though if you push the difficulty beyond very hard, as both classes make the game easy on +2 (as do some items and enhancements).

[@aaronsalinas3854]

Summoner is great but you need more set.

[@neuralnetgames6540]

more set?

[@ShaneChristianC]

Nightshroud is the most broken character in the game, no discussion. I singlehandely completed oozing grove once my team dropped.

[@dariodimarziasalvatore971]

Triangles hero is a C class hero if played in a balance build. But exploiting THAT level 7 card makes it busted. I almost hate I feel like I have to play him because it just makes the scenarios so much more easier. +++SPOILERS+++ I mean just instakilled 3 normal enemies (54 HP in total!) without burning a card so I can do it next round again just with stamina potion and the elements..? Cmon!

[@TeddyBear1287]

You're missing a character! Also you must play the game so opposite of our group because this is way off the ranking we would have (I skipped the Jaws of the Lion characters because we haven't started it yet)

[@billygoten]

The Soothsinger and 'serker are female. Though it heavily implies Soothsingers and Berserkers can be male, the game refers to them as 'her' and/or 'she'. Not that it's a big deal, just saying. The Tinkerer isn't bad in 4 merc parties. Unfortunately, there are a lot of other support type mercs that are way better. Elementalist takes some resources to get going, but is absolutely one of the best classes later in the game. Not Quartermaster or Soothsinger busted, but incredibly powerful once you hit level 9 and get Eternal Equilibrium. They're so powerful once you get your ducks in a row, they make the Plagueherald obsolete imo. And if you get enough money to start enchanting their cards, it's absurd. I ran a game with Soothsinger, Quartermaster, and some combination of Elementalist, Spellweaver, and Berserker just to see how silly I could push it, and I'm not kidding when I say once Triforce got rolling, it made the SOOTHSINGER unnecessary.

[@dela7443]

Brute on C. Duuuuuuuuuude nooooo 😂

[@neuralnetgames6540]

lol... yeah

[@dela7443]

@@neuralnetgames6540 Its totally okay 😂 But I had so much fun and success in a two player party with my brute together with a spell weaver that I would rate it much higher.. So it hurts myself to hear your rating for the brute 😂 But nice Video 👍

[@Siegtalon]

Why must all these lists act like Envelope X doesn't exist?

[@devorstacey7529]

I just want to say that i basically one shot the first of the order with demo, yall just trash at him, i did 37 damage in one turn than 6 the next than 11. I think this says something, you just have not put enough thought into demo.

[@neuralnetgames6540]

I think that a tier list like this can be pretty subjective based upon experience! Every class can do really amazing things given the right circumstances but the tier list is an overall rating. Thanks so much for watching and commenting!

[@JBrandonMercer123]

then* not than

[@AndrewZiel]

I gotta say I disagree with many of your rankings. It seems we have had very different experiences with this game. I'd be curious what difficulty/group size you typically play on. Single biggest miss IMO is Nightshroud not at S. It is easily in the top 2 classes in the game when playing at +2 or higher difficulty. Deleting the best enemy on the board each turn is just crazy powerful. Disagreements aside, thanks for the video! More Gloomhaven content is always great.

[@DirtyCroydonLove]

Mindthief! B Tier! Absolute blasphemy. May the Vermlings rise up and take your loot good sir.

[@TheMacius99]

Elementalist should really be S tier since he hits lvl 7, so maybe S-, but still... C is just atrocious. Nightshroud is definitely S tier, being the most powerful character in the game, and the higher the level, the stronger he is. Summoner is the weakest class in the game, bar none. Quartermaster doesn't deserve an S, he's not on the same level as the rest. How is he extremely powerful and Nightshroud / Elementalist are not? Scoundrel A tier, are U kidding me? He is at the level of a Brute at best. The rest is pretty much where it should be. Overall, nice video.

[@neuralnetgames6540]

The usability of the Elementalist is why it's so low. Agreed that at level 7 it gets a lot better and also it can be great at higher prosperity or in certain party comps. The problem is that it's awful at low prosperity and in certain party comps it's terrible. Totally deserving of C class because of how finicky and inconsistent the class is. Can't rate it highly based essentially on one card... Also going to have to disagree with Nightshroud being the best. Music Note is the most game breaking in multiple different ways and literally works on any scenario with any party. Not sure what your experience is with 3 spears but it is completely OP and gamebreaking with his infinite combos and being able to refresh insanely broken item combos. Study it a little more and you will see... Some of my picks are not in line with the community but 3 spears is widely considered one of the best classes! Summoner is also widely misunderstood and is actually probably A tier. People really don't understand how to play the class and that's why it's considered weaker. if you properly manage your summons you can generate huge damage every single round and crush through scenarios.

[@anonymousguy121277]

Promote for good Gloomhaven content. Thanks man.

[@Kalopsia666]

Hatchet is S-tier

[@casmx7300]

I know this video is over 2 years old, but I have to defend the Demolitionist. I just can't agree with D tier. For starters, the Demo probably has the best modifier deck in the game. You can literally get rid of every single negative modifier (except the miss) every +0 (technically there's one +0 w/ poison) and even the +1s, making the Demo a damage dealing power house, and it doesn't take that long to do so. I'm currently in a game where I have no negatives or +0s at level 5. Eventually, you can make it so the minimum you can draw is +2! Insane! Toss advantage in the mix and the Demo will be blowing enemies up like crazy. Second, I feel like the card 'Wind Up' gets a bad rap. It's not amazing by any stretch but I just don't think it's bad in the early levels. It allows you to do something when moving from room to room or just catching up to the team, allowing you to bank some future damage when you'd otherwise just be skipping your attack anyway. It helps against heavy retaliate enemies as it can help you one-shot them and a dead enemy can't retaliate. Against heavily shielded targets where small attacks just won't do, Wind Up can help you break through. It's just a good level 1 card. Even if it doesn't make the cut for your playstyle most of the time, I think it's a great sideboard card at early levels. IE: you see you're up against lots shields or retaliate, swap out One Two Punch or Lobbed Charge (which I personally don't care for) and put in Windup instead. I mean sure, Wind Up will eventually be permanently replaced, probably by the time you hit level 4, but every character has low level cards that never come back after the first few levels. Hell, I'd argue that Wind Up always has potential for coming back on certain scenarios, finding a nice home as sideboard potential. I personally would put the Demo as a solid B or C tier, depending on if you're playing a 2 player, 3 player or 4 player game, and there are definitely stronger characters to be sure. But at no point do I think he belongs in D tier.

[@Asian_Movie_Enthusiast]

Totally agreed on Demo, and I replayed her in Base Gloomhaven too. Her cards are situational to a degree, so the key is bringing in the cards that apply to the specific scenario and leaving others at home. She has two repeatable Stun cards by Level 2. She's great at opening doors, especially with that 19-initiative card. I almost always use Wind Up for the bottom, especially in scenarios where big moves can make the goal easy to accomplish. Her Level 6 card is a great shield breaking ability. Her Level 7 card dishes out big damage and its repeatable. So much to like with this character. It's a shame most people just don't like her.

[@NaBaronLes]

Definitely disagree with lighting bolts, Saw, and moon. Moon is S hands down. Lightning bolts is high A tier. Saw is ALSO very high A tier. Sure Saw takes some planning and he's going to take damage but played well he's a status effect machine.

[@sanchellewellyn3478]

With the Sawbones I would play Research the Cure on the tank on turn 1 and use medical packs to help keep allies from exhausting, besides being a healer and occasional damage dealer. Lots of options for the Doc. :)

[@ChaseTheChamp11]

Completely disagree with Tinkerer. In my opinion it is one of the best classes in the game.