22 HP 670cc Predator engine Review FIRST start up Harbor Freight

A close look at this engine.

[@shanebarrows1867]

Well now you have 46k subscribers... Great job man, here soon you'll be looking at 1mil👍

[@garymathews9534]

I mounted a pulley on the front of the motor ,and a pto on the back side.I used a long threaded rod and with the correct nuts .I drilled holes in the pulley also .works great in my 87 craftsman garden tractor .

[@jamesbreedlove6396]

Glad you did this sir, because my cub cadet motor just blew up, 10 years later and now looking for a cheap engine replacement VS cub cadet

[@lannycandyvideos7231]

my cub cadet 2155 engine just isnt powerful enough, so im getting this engine.

[@jgant2008]

emission standards require fuel mixtures that are too lean to allow starting without the extra fuel that the choke provides, keep up the great videos, thanks

[@SouthernMechanic]

jgant2008 exactly,the twin cylinder Kawasaki engines on commercial mowers are the same way, you have to choke them even after they are warmed up but just for a split second like pawpaw did

[@jerrybeavers3808]

Great video, enjoyed the review. Thanks for sharing.

[@DoingItCheap]

Thank you for watching and subscribing.

[@jr42a1]

I bought a 2000 Bad Boy Mower with a 23 HP Kawasaki motor on it.Yes it had a bunch of hours on it. I used it 2 seasons and it started overheating and boiling over all the time (liquid cooled motor).No big deal, accepted it was older....Replaced it with one from small engine warehouse. Heres the sad part... Used it almost 2 seasons and the motor locked up with warranty being expired(I get that too). Heres the reality of the mess ...Everyone raved about Kawasaki liquid cooled motors. Honestly,I think they are junk. When that mower went bad I parked it and went and bought a brand new 72" Spartan with a 32 HP Air cooled Briggs(Vanguard) motor on it. Not 1inch of problems in 4 years.still rollin strong. I am considering buying one of these Predator air cooled motors to repower my old 2000 Bad Boy because they are cheaper and ill bet far more reliable than a liquid cooled Kawasaki motor.I will most likely sell the bad boy because my Spartan is Golden...I never had good luck with Kawasaki and ill bet compared to one of these it couldnt be any worse. This is what id recommend ....first id make sure the shaft is the same diameter. (my old Kawasaki was 1-1/4"on the shaft diameter.) You can always drill new motor mounting holes but you may have to shim the motor up to align properly with mounting height. ZTs are pretty basic especially the older ones.

[@PhOeNiXpIoLe]

I could see this being a good mud boat motor

[@tucobenedicto1780]

I'm currently repowering a Bobcat 542b skid steer with one of these. I hope it works well.

[@markwhiteash1296]

My guess is that the carburetor is jetted lean because of emission requirements.

[@jamesfrankland6820]

I bet you may be right

[@guillermocabrera4597]

Servira para una bomba de agua una centrifugal ??

[@Traderjoe]

Also, I'm impressed it did not have a massive plume of smoke roiling out of it

[@NoGlockTrucker]

Yup I'm sold. I think this would be a good replacement engine on my 24 inch snow blower

[@livingstonrc4706]

NoGlockTrucker I put it on a gokart lol

[@andrewortiz4637]

great videos great guy

[@sirasarsie7489]

Good job,wan't see more video

[@drmckinley]

Great video, thanks for being there. Have a blessed day. Dantheman

[@randykindschy3507]

Wonder how’d it be on a wood chipper/shredder

[@BREGGREN]

Sounds Great!

[@BuzzardBait48]

Great video.

[@drawvenmusket]

Paw Paw, all I could think of when you were talking about what could go wrong was, Al asking"are you sure about this Tim" and a big gorilla grunt just before the toilet goes flying lol

[@jeffinetlyjeffbi9770]

77.7k subscribers thats not from bs. Great content love it keep going mr. I wish you could help me fix my drill rig compressor. I have a Kohler on that. 300psi not conventional. But highly needed

[@DoingItCheap]

Thanks 👍

[@Johnclark300]

I want one for a custom bobber build possibly a trike build it has plenty of power for the job

[@dannykelton8857]

I bought that engine from them a couple of months ago. Until you break it in for a little while you have to short choke it as I call it. After running it for a few hours it fires right up.

[@richardjacobs6632]

I have to remove the air filter and give it a shot of gas on every cold start up,ok after warm up

[@mikecox3659]

Good, straight up review. These are Honda motors reversed, many parts will interchange. See 65 Ford channel.

[@lim1946]

Great Video, thanks

[@DoingItCheap]

Thank YOU for watching and subscribing!!

[@codycheney3401]

does it have a fuel pump ? Maybe that is the reason ???? I know that some of them have a cutof on the carb bowl so when you cut the power it shuts a selinoid like the 400 series does so the choke helps bring fuel to the engine ! What is your preferance on oil to break-in and run full time ? Do you use a synthetic ? Any way I don't know just thinking outloud ! thanks for taking us along !

[@DoingItCheap]

I use the oil that is recommended. As far as break-in oil, I just use the same that I am gonna run in the engine full time. You sure don't want to mix viscosities. Apparently a LOT of folks are using the choke to start their engines. It is not a problem, just something I am not accustomed to. But that is why I do these reviews..... so we can all learn from one another..... and one thing is for sure.... IF I don't like something, I WILL tell you !!! Thanks for watching !!!

[@joneser30]

having to choke it usually indicates a lean condition , I suggest changing the main jet one size richer that should help .I thought I saw in video that it came with different jets for altitude.try next size bigger . hope that helps

[@DoingItCheap]

Thanks.

[@theogchurkel53]

So how long did you have oil in there before starting it and did you have it sit in the engine? Or after you put oil in it you put no gas and just let it turn over a few times?

[@DoingItCheap]

You can start it right after you put oil in it. I have pulled a lot of these predator engines apart prior to running to do some mods and the factory oiled the engine at assembly, just didn't ship full of oil.

[@TheIronDuke502]

I have a 285 John Deere that has the 18hp Kawasaki FD590V liquid cooled engine that I am seriously thinking about swapping out for a Predator Engine. It’s very hard to find anyone here in KY that will work on the Kawasaki engines unless you are willing to pay a very premium price. The Predator engine is looking better and better to me. It seems like everyone that I talk to really likes the Predator engines. I have one of the older blue 6.5hp Harbor Freight engines on a rear tine roto-tiller that is a real performer. Best Regards From Central KY.

[@patrickharper9297]

I have a 296cc kawi that puts out 40+... Mine was way more expensive though! Good deal pap

[@garyronan5568]

Good idea putting in the oil first. Luckily HF is on top of this problem by putting low oil cut off switches on the 13 and 22 hp. engine's so if no oil was installed the engine wouldn't start anyway but it's A good habit to get into.

[@rodneyhardee2527]

I would run it for a while . Probably be ok then. Good to see you at it again mr Bob. By the way how much was that engine.low jet may be small.

[@DoingItCheap]

Regular price is $699 I got it for three hundred.

[@kordoliver]

Hiya, that sounds like a good engine ,

[@robertkutz]

nice find.

[@billmers3219]

Bob, did you ever put that motor in anything? If so, how's it working for you?

[@DoingItCheap]

Not yet.

[@thomasarmstrong1301]

I think that's just the nature of the newer engines. I've got a 26hp briggs on a zero-turn mower, and anytime you shut it down and restart it, you have to choke it.

[@markhuston1050]

hey pa pa. mine came with a round gas tank. it also has a little vacuum fuel pump just like the one on you cub cadet. mine cub cadet has one too. it is a little round plastic, black, that operates on a vacuum hose into the engine. it should have three hoses. one running in and two running out. one to the carbs possibly two cause twin cylinder. one just provides vacuum to pump fuel to carbs. they are Chinese clone of Hondas engine. very good and reliable. any way mine came with a tank from the factory. so if the tank was missing then the vacuum fuel pump may too. look at you cub cadet and you will see the pump in the fuel line. keep it up good show.

[@DoingItCheap]

Thanks !!!

[@slrs3908]

Do you know if there is a thermostat on that oil cooler? For $300, one of the best deals I have aver seen. It is a great deal for $700 IMHO. Also, how many amps does it put out for charging a battery?

[@DoingItCheap]

It is at my farm 20 miles away. You should be able to go to Harbor Freight's website and read the owner's manual online. It should answer all your questions. I started it up for the video and have not had time to install it in anything yet.

[@slrs3908]

FWIW, I have now seen it for sale for $630. I plan on eventually buying 2 to put into a boat with an adjustable/liftable inboard / surface drive.

[@treedy2439]

Iam looking for mount for hydraulic pump does anyone know wear and number of the part i can get for this product?

[@ebfromwyoming4118]

metor maid cart wow im jelouse ive always liked those cushmans

[@redrobgmail]

Thanks to the USA Federal govmint and the EPA, all these small engines are run as lean as possible to cut down on emissions, so they don't run or start as they did in the good ole days. They all have fixed jets that some pencil pusher says is good enough to run, I like the old ones with an adjustable man needle, turn that thing out till she starts smoking and missing and then turn it in till she clears up and runs smooth.

[@Traderjoe]

It seems to run nice once it's going. I have a scooter that I'd love to be able to put something like that on it. I have a 50cc engine on it with a 70cc head so it's supposed to be better than 50cc. But I can't get it to go above 40-45 mph and I'd love to get this thing on it instead and I bet it would haul ass.

[@DoingItCheap]

Do a search on youtube about the 670cc. Two crazy boys put this engine on a go kart that you or I would put a 3 HP on. It is OMG quick and fast !!

[@michaelchance5863]

i have 20 hp v twin honda engine and it has to choked every time i start it as well and it is 15 years old

[@DavidWhite]

Your memory card got full and kicked you off? My prostrate does the same thing Does that thing have a fuel pump?

[@DoingItCheap]

Yes it does.... just like the one on my Cub Cadet..... small round one with three hoses.

[@thugasaurusrex6004]

Doing it cheap? Sounds good to me. Subbing from Virginia.

[@alexd.8675]

What is the Shaft length on this engine?

[@DoingItCheap]

I don't have it handy, look at the PDF of the owner's manual on Harbor Freight. It will give you the specs.

[@haroldbrown1389]

it hasn't run long enough to seat the rings, run it a couple of hours and it will be better.

[@gregpolas7183]

You always choke a Predator...

[@backroads82]

That looks like a nice engine. Bet it will have plenty of power. The starting issue is most likely that it is new and needs broke in like you said. While it should work fine, your gas tank set up may have something to do with it. May need something that drains from the bottom so there is constant pressure on the fuel. When it is choked it will cause a "suction" so your set up will work great. If it is not choked the siphon flow may be getting interrupted with less suction just enough that it is making it harder to start.....or it could be something totally different...lol Either way it looks like you got a good one there!

[@DoingItCheap]

Well the siphon effect is doing nothing except helping the flow get to the engine and maintaining the constant pressure you mentioned. And there is a fuel pump with the three hoses just like on a briggs twin cylinder on my Cub Cadet. I have to choke my Cub Cadet most of the time also, just a quick pull and push on the knob is all. Wanna see something crazy? Look for 670 cc on youtube and watch what these two kids did with this engine and a cheap go kart frame !! 47 mph and wheelies !!!

[@backroads82]

lol...just looked at the video and those kids are nuts...lol I would love to try that...lol Reminds me of the old buggy I had that was an old car frame cut short, drive shaft shortened and a old straight six in it. Would sit and spin on dry pavement....was a riot.....till we blew it up...lol

[@davidmatthews1711]

Help I trying to find out if a 22hp predator Wii swap with a 23hp Kawasaki engine in a toro 50/60 timecutter

[@DoingItCheap]

I don't know. Maybe someone reading your comment can answer.

[@jr42a1]

Really crazy you asked this specific question... I bought a 2000 Bad Boy Mower with a 23 HP Kawasaki motor on it.Yes it had a bunch of hours on it. I used it 2 seasons and it started overheating and boiling over all the time (liquid cooled motor).No big deal, accepted it was older....Replaced it with one from small engine warehouse. Heres the sad part... Used it almost 2 seasons and the motor locked up with warranty being expired(I get that too). Heres the reality of the mess ...Everyone raved about Kawasaki liquid cooled motors. Honestly,I think they are junk. When that mower went bad I parked it and went and bought a brand new 72" Spartan with a 32 HP Air cooled Briggs(Vanguard) motor on it. Not 1inch of problems in 4 years.still rollin strong. I am considering buying one of these Predator air cooled motors to repower my old 2000 Bad Boy because they are cheaper and ill bet far more reliable than a liquid cooled Kawasaki motor.I will most likely sell the bad boy because my Spartan is Golden...I never had good luck with Kawasaki and ill bet compared to one of these it couldnt be any worse. This is what id recommend ....first id make sure the shaft is the same diameter. (my old Kawasaki was 1-1/4"on the shaft diameter.) You can always drill new motor mounting holes but you may have to shim the motor up to align properly with mounting height. ZTs are pretty basic especially the older ones.

[@rodneyhardee2527]

They try to run shit so lean anymore.Whats the carb look like?

[@DoingItCheap]

Carb is impressive.... the manual does a good job of showing you how to change the jets.

[@nevysnova]

you need to get that bike running

[@DoingItCheap]

Which one?

[@DoingItCheap]

Thanks for subscribing..... that bike is a little 43cc Chinese mini bike !!

[@ninoreeves7702]

i want one.

[@doorguner01]

now they have a vertical version of that engine

[@DoingItCheap]

Yes, I saw that !!! More cc's too !

[@mikefortune4796]

It seems very slow to start Bob maybe that's why the last customer brought it back and its good to see you again

[@DoingItCheap]

It would start immediately choked. Previous owner did not put fluids in it or start it.

[@DoingItCheap]

Good to hear from YOU as well !!!

[@flatliner2713]

Of course, that's after she's a bit warm from the initial start with choke.

[@flatliner2713]

Not sure where you have the throttle set, but, you may want to set it to 3/4 to almost wide open to start, then throttle it down.

[@DoingItCheap]

Not gonna run it fast without a load for now, don't want to blow it up !!!

[@flatliner2713]

Just start and pull back. The choke will rev it up as well. Have 2 Briggs that are old. One from the early 70's, and one from the early 90's. Been done this way for decades. Still haven't blown one. What are you considering "under load"? Just curious.There is no load at startup on an engine, unless someone is using it for that purpose. If there is a load at startup, it will not last long anyway. Just saying. Not trying to argue at all, but if it was on a mower, you always rev it up to full throttle before you engage the blades, unless you want it to die. They only run around between 3060 and 3600 rpm anyway wide open. Load or not. If it were a 2 stroke I would have to agree. Hope I haven't pissed you off.

[@DoingItCheap]

Of course you haven't pissed me off..... I want folks to comment back and forth so we can discuss and learn from one another. I HAVE blown small engines by running them wide ass open, but that was because I manually overrode the governor. Same thing about your mower...... remember, then engines have a governor on them to prevent to high an RPM !!!! Hope I haven't pissed YOU off !!! LOL !!!

[@flatliner2713]

Not at all. Of course without that governor it would hit 6000. And of course it would be bye bye. Unless.....Was just saying. Have a Great One.

[@cowboy6591]

LOOKS like a Kohler engine?

[@tember1988]

I just subscribed to you bud

[@zsn1gman]

Most small engines need to be choked to start. That's completely normal, even when warm.

[@DoingItCheap]

I noticed the same thing on my Cub Cadet mower. But I have rarely needed to choke an engine after it has warmed up. Maybe it is the engines they make today compared to those of yesteryear.

[@zsn1gman]

It might be that I'm just in the habit of always choking my engines to get them going. They always start right away for me that way, even my 2 cycles. BTW I stopped at the sidewalk sale today @ Harbor Freight and no luck, maybe next time :)

[@ClownWhisper]

My 18 horse Briggs & Stratton on my Husqvarna always has to be choked to start always hot cold medium well rare and anything in between

[@jaarryifleshblood315]

Is that oil cooled?

[@DoingItCheap]

Yes it is with a little radiator to help cool the oil.

[@clayseale]

Man I wish Harbor Freight would make that engine with a vertical shaft set up. I would put it on my old zero turn and get rid of the crap Briggs that it came with.

[@DoingItCheap]

Dang, you could make a hovercraft if they did !!!

[@gatrwrksMarshall]

They actually do have one at Harbor Freight. Here's the link to it. www.harborfreight.com/engines-generators/gas-engines/22-hp-708cc-v-twin-vertical-shaft-gas-engine-epa-62879.html

[@clevercloverlawncare5066]

Subbed.

[@mariogutierrez5845]

Saludos desde mexico

[@DoingItCheap]

Gracias Mario, mi casa es su casa, bienvenidos a mi youtube. Darle mis saludos a su familia tambien !

[@mariogutierrez5845]

DoingItCheap gracias muy vonito canal y muy informativosiga para adelante.saludos para husted y su familia dios lo bendiga.

[@mariogutierrez5845]

DoingItCheap disfruto mucho sus videos

[@catfisher420]

Predators just need choked until they are fully warm! Plus you need 3/4 throttle.

[@gunlover1955]

I have the answer for you, I know this is an old story, but the EPA has these engines set up so lean they can't start without the choke. Heck they can barely run with the little fuel they get into them, re jet the crab and then all will be good.

[@DoingItCheap]

Yes, I noticed yesterday that the Kohler engine on my Cub Cadet lawn tractor requires a quick on and off of the choke.

[@banditgrizzy1955]

No need to rejet the carb.. there is an air fuel mixture screw that just needs adjusting a little.. but only adjust it when it is at operating temperature, that goes for the high and low side screws also...then everything be fine

[@amishpope]

Just replaced the engine on a Woodmizer sawmill and it's a cold natured bitch. You have to choke every time you start it. It's a $3000 Kohler. I have a go cart with a predator motor and you can let it set for six months and it starts first or second pull. Take care.

[@outdoorstech6205]

did this fit your cushman?

[@DoingItCheap]

No, it is too tall.

[@outdoorstech6205]

DoingItCheap to tall for a Cushman truckster?

[@DoingItCheap]

Mine is a Westcoaster which is just about the same thing. The crankshaft coming out of the original Onan engine is much lower than the Predator. It isn't necessarily the height of the engine, but the distance from the bottom to the crankshaft. And as you know, we sit right above the engine itself.

[@outdoorstech6205]

DoingItCheap ah I see, thanks for the information

[@woozleboy]

Repowerspecialists has a 22 hp Honda twin engine kit they sell to fit the Truckster. This engine is pretty much clone of it. I believe they use a new lower crossmember mount to lower the engine to fit the alignment. Wouldn't be that hard to fabricate similar for the Predator.

[@patchaonkasat3334]

you forgot THAILAND your number one fan

[@DoingItCheap]

THANK YOU !!!

[@DoingItCheap]

Don't know how to spell it....... but...... Sah wah dee cah !!

[@gokartsminibikesandmore9925]

How much did you pay for it with it being used

[@DoingItCheap]

Wasn't used. Was purchased and returned. Customer said it wouldn't fit for his application. $299

[@gokartsminibikesandmore9925]

Wow that is amazingly cheap how do you find the tent sales

[@dannyhensley8306]

Thinking about getting one of these to run the hydraulic pump for a backhoe attachment i have rigged up on an old trailer frame. Yes i know it sounds redneck as hell and it is but i dont have anything i can put the backhoe attachment on. Its 3 point system which i wouldnt trust too good on the back of a farm tractor unless i fabbed a system stronger than just 3 point. Hope this motor will pull the hydraulic pump well

[@DoingItCheap]

A hydraulic pump doesn't need a lot of horsepower.

[@waynetorbett7323]

Gap the plug another 5 to 10 to give it a hotter spark...

[@scoobydog411]

We all have a lot of time on our hands. Chuckles.....

[@oldtownhomestead9295]

my john deere lawn mower is the same way every dam time i have to chock it. other then that it's been good the last ten years.

[@robertw.munden9210]

That engine is built just like a Honda engine all parts from a GX690 will enter change.the GX690 honda sales for $1795.00. that Predator engine is a dam good buy.EPA makes engine company`s build the carburetor Lean that`s why it needs to be choked until it gets hot and broken in.

[@DoingItCheap]

Thanks for the info Robert !!!

[@sambou812]

i just bought this engine for a 10k generator head i have sitting around. will the high amp stator from the gx690 work with this engine? also will the oil filter work as well? thanks.

[@70carlton]

my predators want choke too seems normal for that manufacturer

[@JeffGibbs217]

I have one on my mud motor and it runs the same way. The motor has a fuel pump but the intake has to many bends to it that's why you have to choke it. All in all it has plenty of power but not a race engine.

[@DoingItCheap]

Thanks Jeff. Speaking of racing, search for 670 cc on youtube and check out what these two boys did with this engine !!

[@JeffGibbs217]

I seen all of them.Did you see the one with the duel carbs? Its crude but it works

[@DoingItCheap]

Not yet.

[@pablitoramos10]

Would this engine be the same to replace a Kawasaki 22 hp?

[@DoingItCheap]

tal ves pero no seguro

[@IRONDAWG63]

HOW MUCH WAS THAT BOB

[@DoingItCheap]

Regular price is $699 I got it for three hundred

[@williamdillingham1706]

A lot of kholor engines are the same way as far as the choke goes

[@DoingItCheap]

Yes, my Cub Cadet mower requires a quick pull of the choke to start every single time.

[@VIheavyequipment]

they seem to run the newer engines so lean that they need choke intill there completly warmed up our ride on needs choke intill you run it for atleast 20 mins

[@oldoldpilgrim1885]

Some of my small engines seem to start easier on high octane ethanol free gas.

[@banditgrizzy1955]

Never use high octane or alchohol ethanol content fuel. It will burn out the valves, rings, and at times pistons over a short time. Sure the right fuel costs a bit more but the engine will last MUCH LONGER. These small engines are not made to take the extreme heat that fuel burns at. This advise comes from my grandfather who worked for John Deere his whole life retired and had a small engine repair shop the entire time 70+ years.

[@catfisher420]

You never told us how much you paid for the engine.

[@DoingItCheap]

Oops ! Thought I did.... $300

[@catfisher420]

DoingItCheap Good deal! over 50% savings.

[@twosencefromcleveland6084]

Are you the voice of Hank Hill?!?

[@DoingItCheap]

Ah sell propane and propane accessories !!

[@twosencefromcleveland6084]

HA! You make fun videos too😃

[@DoingItCheap]

Thank you for watching and subscribing!!

[@cadude145]

slightly lean running condition.

[@DoingItCheap]

Thanks Donald.

[@AboSpirit]

My goal is to put this Predator in my truckmount carpet cleaning machine.

[@haroldbrown1389]

maby that is what's wrong with me, my video card is full!

[@carlmercado2673]

IT LOOKS TO ME THE FUEL IS TO HIGH AND WHEN THE ENGINE IS RUNNIN IT RUNS THE LINE DRY WHEN SHUT OFF FUEL LINE ARE USUALLY AT THE BOTTOM OF FUEL TANKS JUST MY THOUGHT

[@DoingItCheap]

The fuel line is actually set up as a siphon, so in this case there is actually fuel delivered constantly. Line can't run dry, but thanks for watching and commenting !!!

[@waynetorbett7323]

What kind of Scoot/Bike are you hiding in tha corner of the shop...Take it easy Brother

[@DoingItCheap]

If you are talking about that little mini bike on the bench behind the engine, it is a little Chinese bike that used that 43 or 49 cc engine I highlighted in the two cycle spark problem. I think I am gonna put a little 3.5 hp on it for my grandson.

[@DoingItCheap]

But if you are referring to the one you HAVEN'T seen....... a '73 Ironhead with a Springer Front end !!

[@bonnetbolt]

sweet deal

[@oddopops1327]

:-)

[@josword7602]

lol looks like a smiling robot

[@aidannina494]

That anit no cheep motor

[@DoingItCheap]

No, but I Like DOING It Cheap.... $300 is cheap for this expensive engine.

[@sethgarrett6060]

DoingItCheap where did you get it for 300?!?

[@W.451]

It is a home grown myth. If the engine has a rev limiter/governor as that one does no damage will occur running it full throttle and no load if the RPM. limiter is working. In other words up to it's red line is safe period. It's why those engines have governors, so that won't happen. Typically modern cars use rev limiters.

[@DoingItCheap]

You do you and I will do what I have known and experienced for the past 55 years. (I am in my sixties) That is what makes the world go around. You had to use the word IF twice.

[@W.451]

@@DoingItCheapPeople hold onto mechanical myths like a religion. The automotive engineers have it right regardless. Safe to it's rev limit spec. load or not. That engine has a governor it won't over rev. I am 65 and fixed lawnmower engines at 10.

[@DoingItCheap]

LOL !!! And I was blowing them up at 12 !! Thanks for subscribing !!