2216 A Car Run On Chlorine

[@fraserhardmetal7143]

Obviously a Bleach Buggy.......

[@billytollerton4220]

😂😂😂

[@FoxWithBrainDamage]

That’s pretty good!

[@chrisgmurray3622]

Beautiful!!

[@thebigdog2295]

Obviously. 😅😂🤣

[@PeterCatterall-p3c]

A capacitor ?

[@CCoburn3]

It sounds like the flow batteries can be "recharged" by replacing the fluid. So if you have a car, you'd run it until the battery is almost discharged and pull into a recharging station. They'd drain your fluid and replace it with new. You'd drive off, and they would recharge the fluid so it could be used again in another vehicle. If that could be made to work, it would be a very practical answer to the range problems with electrical cars.

[@kentauree]

You can produce liquid fuel by combining hydrogen with co2 from the atmosphere, a much better solution, because it can be used in the cars we have now, and in future EVs with fuel cells.

[@sirnikkel6746]

​@@kentauree Bro, efficiency be 💀💀💀

[@kadmow]

@@sirnikkel6746 - round trip efficiency of many systems - approaches - "balls" - too. (It all depends how far back down the energy chain one wans to b!tcH about..) Even conventional flow batteries tend to have rather expensive "piles" (ie not "cheap") - cell stack, same with hydrogen fuel cells - the PEM is expensive - indicating energy intensive to create... Wanna go high temp FC - again expensive, fragile and unreliable - potentially unserviceable - if the fuel source isn't "quite pure"... If "you" can give us 300 miles of variable range / equivalent utility in a package about the same weight as a 60-70 litre fuel tank (SG 0.74) - much obliged. (Real world users want real world solutions - of course there are outliers. There are also golfers, cyclists and chess players.

[@satibel]

Yeah the main issue with flow batteries is the weight, but otherwise they have a ton of positives, imo iron flow batteries are extremely promising too, as the only thing that is currently expensive is the membrane, so capacity is relatively free money wise (compared to lithium or even lead acid batteries) Though currently they are mostly used in large industrial centers because you can have a pair of swimming pools as your storage tanks, and you don't care about the weight. They also basically don't degrade, as the only thing that happens if the 2 tanks mix is that your battery is discharged. So with semi regular maintenance, you end up with batteries that can last more than 50 years, and would probably only need a light treatment after that time.

[@EvenTheDogAgrees]

Well, no, because you still have those zinc deposits on the plates that need to be dissolved back into the solution. Which means you'd have to recondition the liquid inside the battery, unless you want to swap out the plates for fresh ones every time you replace your fluid.

[@kennedy67951]

Robert, why are'nt you intrigued enough to put into production your version of this battery? In my opinion 'this would be an excellent video. Thank ÿou again for sharing information with me.😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

[@agile52]

That chlorine gas line is terrifying.

[@NwoDispatcher]

Why couldn't they use iodine then?

[@Buzzhumma]

Excellent news Rob! I been waiting years to here about a chlorine battery and you delivered. I has got to be the cheapest chemical energy storage I can imagine so it’s imperative they get it working right because the market is desperate to have home energy storage that decentralises the demand on a centralised grid. The crumbling energy infrastructure needs this too as we get higher peak demand that results in load shedding . I’m Melbourne Australia we just had a storm 4 days ago and more than half a million people with power for 10 hours, and some are still without power after five days, which will probably be another two weeks before they have the power restored, which all could be avoided if we had home energy storage to decentralised the demand!

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

I amsolutely agree with you mate we need decentralisation

[@industrialmonk]

I will believe it when it's in large production & in actual use. That will be the test like the lithium battery's that are now finally showing their troo problems.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

yeah - very fair comment mate lol

[@vitordelima]

I don't know about the suspicious company but there are other flow batteries around being ignored (such as metal-air flow batteries).

[@markhughes7927]

These chlorine and ammonia presentations seem to break the mystery of seeing my neighbour over the last few years relieving himself into his car’s tank under the cover of darkness!

[@daveh6356]

Thanks Rob. So much 'old' chemistry just needs revisiting with some modern anode/cathode material &/or sustainable catalysts. Maybe my old Corduroy Flairs will make a reappearance too - though maybe some things should just stay in the 70s.

[@HiekerMJ]

48F = ~8C =~ earth temperature. So, maybe as a vehicle battery a bit tricky...but for home storage: just burry the 'store' section in - even an old domestic beer fridge? What was the charging challenge? Solvable with an modern microcontroller and a couple of MOSFETs?

[@AtlasReburdened]

Earth temperature... where?

[@scotttovey]

@@AtlasReburdened Ten feet and below you have steady earth temperatures.

[@JustIn-mu3nl]

From what I can make out, the biggest holdback would be needing 6-8 hours charging time, not the most speedy. I assume the liquid would need to be replaced periodically as well as there would be losses, you can't get something from nothing.

[@joohop]

Great Stuff Young Man ! Bless Up

[@JSabh]

Being that you are a chemist genius, you are aware of the violent reaction with brake fluid and chlorine. Just imagine the horrific fire... that alone tells me, never in a vehicle.

[@AtlasReburdened]

Yeah, that's similar to why they never used gasoline in a motor vehicle. Just way too dangerous and there aren't any engineers anywhere that can find a solution...

[@JSabh]

​@AtlasReburdened I don't think you understand. Gasoline is a liquid that needs oxygen to react, chlorine and brake fluid do not. In a accident, if Gasoline leaks, it's not a big deal unless there's a spark or flame, but chlorine will react by simply coming in contact with brake fluid. You condescending attitude just shows your ignorance bud.

[@beetooex]

Are there any viable alternatives to our current brake fluid that don't react with chlorine though?

[@jimzielinski946]

So... let's make a commercial product that can produce mustard gas. Don't worry, no one will misuse it.

[@lltv8142]

And seeing the license plate, its a german car. Who would figure that.

[@frontagulus]

The problem with flow batteries is that you need additional equipment to operate it - pumps, valves, pipes which all represent additional expense and wearing parts

[@8ank3r]

Wow! The implications boggle the mind. I guess Elon Musk could be eyeing these guys for a buyout. Can you imagine a Tesla with a flow battery? Home generation becomes commonplace and internal combustion engines become dated tech. All without putting the big strain on the grid. Love this. Thanks for sharing Rob. Cheers P.S. Now I'm going down the NanoFlow rabbithole. See you in a couple of days. :)

[@Dr.Fluffles]

I wonder if this could be reorganized to extract chlorine from plastics before they damage the reactor walls in a gasification unit, which, tmk, is one of the major barriers preventing large-scale recycling of plastics back into fully reusable, base hydrocarbons.

[@thedolphin5428]

No. Just no. Chlorine escaping from a motor accident is total lunacy. Forget it. Just forget it.

[@PhysicsViolator]

You can put a safety system that neutralises it immediately after leaking.

[@nin1ten1do]

valm down kido not our problem you know shwt baut chemistry

[@thedolphin5428]

@@nin1ten1do Yeah, and you don't know much about typing the English language. It's nothing to do with chemistry. It's commonsense. A "petrol tank" or "gas tank" of chlorine being rear-ended and either splitting open or even just rupturing a supply line would cause a deadly cloud of chlorine to kill anyone within 10 metres ... not to mention a possible explosion or fire. And filling with chlorine at a gas station. What fun that would be if/when there were leaks. Chlorine is about 50x more poisonous and dangerous than LPG because it is colourless and tasteless. You don't know you're hit with it until you drop.

[@michaelschauperl172]

I often wondered about the Information that salt as a easy accesable recource could be used for sodium batteries what would become with the clorine... making a battery out of it too looks like a smart idea

[@michaelschauperl172]

@@retiredbore378 true... I thought of a very, high scale use of sodium battery secenario. But your probably right. It will find its use.

[@EvenTheDogAgrees]

"If you can forgive the fact that is was made in the 80's". Well, I was made in the 70's, so I think I'll manage. 😂

[@AlienLivesMatter]

What is the potential for thermal runaway and under such circumstances what emissions will it yeild? Battery car emissions are worse than two stroke and leaded fuel combined

[@jim0311]

A French company was selling cars powered by compressed air a few years ago..look it up

[@ozgurkaygisiz1562]

Robert, I have an idea. If we dissolve zinc bromide in water, place it in the battery, and heat the battery with the help of the sun, the boiling temperature of the bromide is 59 C, as far as I can see. Bromide, which boils and separates from the electrolyte, is transported to the hot electrode heated by the sun. Is it possible to design a system where the zinc in the anode and the bromide in the cathode form a solution again after the electrolyte cools down when the sun sets?

[@cedriclynch]

Nobody can say it isn't green.

[@kadmow]

- ?? a form of flow cell... nice historical archive.. Maybe not suited for on-the-go recharging -?- swap and go, recharge in a controlled bank. Is this a balanced use of the chlorine from future Na-Ion chemistries.. (or are all the Na-ion cells really NaCL-ion cells. ??)

[@scottbaker9337]

Could you do a video on the compressed air engine?

[@dvhx]

Too many battery breakthroughs, not enough batteries!

[@WTF_BBQ]

I remembered watching that video years ago. They claimed that the battery also lasts over 30 years.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

they will hve got that from age testing and in lab conditions it was probably true - but there is long way between a lab bench and the real world

[@billytollerton4220]

Great video ,i guess itll be derailed if the overlords deem it to be not profitable unless their making a big big tax on it.

[@regor2102]

WW1 on the freeway.

[@etherlonX]

Not so sure about a chlorine battery in a car, but for grid storage I think it has potential.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

I agree

[@nin1ten1do]

Sipin down that.. chlorine..

[@james10739]

6 time the capacity that is huge evs could be much lighter with more range I assume the 6x is based ine weight since that's how we measure capacity of lithium batteries but if you used that at the same capacity as current evs but 1/6 the weight of the battery because you could make the care lighter because it wouldn't need as much structure and braces

[@justtinkering6713]

Didn't they used to make zinc chloride dry cells for flashlights?

[@jeffersonsharp2292]

So, what happens when a zinc chlorine flow battery EV, and a ammonia internal combustion car get in a big wreck, where both their fuel tanks leak?

[@preppertechnicianee6013]

Have you heard of the holotile Cool idea I made a knockoff version myself would like to refine it more and will But figured you would like to look at the idea as well

[@chrishenniker5944]

Didn’t Gulf Western own Paramount Studios?

[@kenhickford6581]

With all due respect Robert. M/S, you know as well as I do that although such types of fuel are possible, they are totally impracticable!

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

well they are putting them into production and testing them - so others certinly feel different - we will see i guess

[@malcolm8564]

I think I heard that Sweden ran buses on chlorine during ww2.

[@kenhickford6581]

'Well', they may be 'Putting Into Production & Testing Them', but I'll wager it will get nowhere! Are you a sporting gentleman sir, perchance a small wager on the outcome? I put this venture into the same bracket as the 'Tokamak', (Circa 1956)!@@ThinkingandTinkering

[@CCoburn3]

I'm not being a smartass. But perhaps you can explain WHY they are "totally impractical"? Surely, there have been practical problems in the past. I don't believe there can be any argument about that. But why are the new versions that use updated technology "totally impractical"? Are there technical reasons for this?

[@kenhickford6581]

I'm sure you are not trying to be a 'Smartass',! Yes there are reason s for Chlorine' being impracticable (And Dangerous) as Robert S/M well knows......Or should know! Look up the inherent dangers of Chlorine stored in a vessel in a vehicle, for, if you had done so, you would not have posed the question you have!. @@CCoburn3

[@amphibiousone7972]

We keep making slow and steady progress. I had imagined GM would gravitate towards these types of battery chemistry. I'm optimistic

[@simonexperiences]

nous sommes impatients de voir une demonstration en cette batterie en diy!😉

[@slick05123]

I checked out their website and it looks like they are aerosolizing the electrolyte in it's 2 parts and spraying them at a semi-permeable membrane, then utilizing the electricity created while (I'm guessing) vacuuming and filtering out the spent electrolyte from the reaction as exhaust somehow. Depending on how much electrolyte they aerosolize at once depends on how much electricity is generated, and how fast the car goes. Does that sound about right? It sounds to me like they are just utilizing the discharge phase of the flow battery and dumping the recharge phase and replacing the electrolyte the next time you "refuel". Does that seem like intentional waste in order to make profit, or am I just cynical from living in Capitalist America for so long?

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

lol - I get sense of a little cynicism mate - but that doesn't mean you are wrong by any means lol

[@neoterra7072]

Great Video!

[@emel60]

Hi again Mr. Robert! Irrelevant to this video (good as always, btw), could you please cover the topix5ob reviving dead batteries, NiCad, Li-ion, car batteries, or whichever... By using a welder! It occurred to me last night and I did some light YT search. The results say that you can completely revive them! 😂 Why? How? Why not and how not, I leave to you! 🎉

[@williamkain7414]

Homopolar motor Lorentz force is extremely low voltage high amperage. Perfect for flow batteries!! Flow battery Vimanna

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

cheers mte

[@davidprocter3578]

Tesla recently announce something vaguely similar crowing about how much cheaper it would be to manufacture over lithium, range remained the same as did projected life span so apart from the lithium with all of it's associated problems.Where is the benefit ?????????

[@UncleKennysPlace]

Um, cost?

[@davidprocter3578]

@@UncleKennysPlace I doubt very much that the cost savings will ever find their way down to the consumer.

[@macxism1]

Can you replicate this as you did for zinc bromine batteries?

[@carlbothmann]

so what am i going to use in my pool if you use all my chlorin😅

[@vitordelima]

Copper based sterilizers.

[@goiterlanternbase]

A Zebra battery?

[@humblegrenade118]

Chlorine gas ?

[@TomFarrell-p9z]

Gee, I like the music! But then, I'm a man of the 80's. 🙂

[@unsafe_at_any_speed]

This idea is great and therefore will never succeed because the big oil companies will see to it.

[@markvandesande8855]

These batteries are possible but the issues of waste management and the cancers caused by bleach based products. Volatility of these products. But still think these batteries are probably the way forward, alkaline batteries are much better than acid and are probably more dangerous. But still, even if it was two time better than lithium over coming all the issues would be worth the hassles. Plus these batteries would be cheaper than lithium base equivalents.

[@asandax6]

We already have bleach products everywhere and are almost always in contact with it everytime we clean or wash something. I don't see what difference these batteries will bring in terms of safety.

[@markvandesande8855]

@asandax6 In terms of production there are lots of safety issue including cancers. Also safety issues with fluids in the car mixing with break fluid is volatile. Production of heavy alkaline products would have to grow by a factor of fifty just to keep up with new demand. Which would be bad for our environment. Maybe to the point of having no fish in the sea.

[@davestorm6718]

There's no evidence that bleach causes cancer. It's not a mutagen. Gasoline, on the other hand, is mutagenic, most notably via the myriad of benzene compounds it contains.

[@jacksonnc8877]

Big oil! Does anyone need to say anything more.

[@vitordelima]

And big minerals, who are the same people.

[@leiflindqvist9095]

There was a time when you had a microphone on your shirt and the sound was ok. Now it's so flawed that unfortunately you can't watch the whole video. Unfortunately…

[@davidl.howser9707]

Robert please Google Article Titled : " New Solid Electrolyte Matches Liquid Performance. Better solid electrolytes could result in safer batteries that don’t explode " Content Posted by : " IEEE Spectrum "

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

just looking at it now mate - cheers

[@kentauree]

Again and again some scientist claim to have invented a battery with incredible energy density, but it never really happens, batteries will never be able to compete with liquid fuel, but actually you can make liquid fuel from electricity by combining hydrogen with co2 from the atmosphere, but we don't get it because the Tesla guy has a lot of power (money) and he has invested in building battery factories, so batteries is what we get, with fire hazards, pollution, heavy cars that makes for bad handling, and so on.

[@davestorm6718]

Making fuel from the air is probably the worst way to do it. It takes more energy to produce the fuel than you get from that fuel (assisting with renewable energy doesn't improve the process enough to make it worthwhile). There's no conspiracy here. Elon's influence is not the issue.

[@truthsetfree-369]

nonsense, Bobby Q