.223 Rem - 75gr Hornady BTHP with N540 & Varmint

Trying to load a cheaper clone of MK 262 with the 75gr Hornady BTHP /w Cannelure in .223 Remington and 5.56x45mm. The first test powders are VihtaVuori N540 and Alliant Power-Pro Varmint.
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[@LaGuns-yo9be]

Ordered my press today because of you. Looking forward to starting up here soon. Thank you for all of your expertise.

[@mblake0420]

Good luck on primers

[@TheDkb427]

Ammoseek had primers but they expensive. It's def not cheap to reload but it's fun

[@vdog4799]

Primers should start coming back sooner or later. Give it time and try not to get discouraged if components arent available or are really expensive. The price should drop when things level out

[@TheDkb427]

@@vdog4799 optimistic view my man but I don't think it's gunna get any better. Have you seen how much gas costs now!?!??!!?? Half of it is freaking taxes to state and federal. Gotta pay back all that free money's they gave away some how and all that did was screw our economy.

[@riccochet704]

Best advice I can give is "don't blow your face off" ;)

[@bradleyswasey6778]

I'd like to see you do a video on the RMR 69 grain bthp with varmint. ( Rocky Mountain Reloading )

[@genkill3617]

Thank you for this video. All your numbers from the previous videos on this series have been SPOT ON. They took me to the promised land at Camp Perry more than once!

[@scottlamp3097]

I bought a bunch of 75gn Hornady match bullets. I haven’t found a good load for them yet. I am glad you are investigating. I may have to get them back down off the shelf

[@G5Hohn]

I bought a bunch of the cannelure version and thus far they don’t shoot. I suspect the non cannelure versions are a lot more accurate. I bought the cannelure ones mostly for making SD/TAP clones because they do well in gel, but I’m not seeing good accuracy yet

[@marcrobert2603]

me too lol

[@chavezhead]

I got some 75gr match as well and have tried w748 and CFE 223 with mixed results. They average 1-1.5moa for 5 shots but I will try h322 around the 21.5-22.0gr as I see in my manuals.

[@zaynemikita6897]

Thanks a bunch for posting this!! Absolutely love my 75gr bullets. I use 22.9gr of AR Comp for mine.

[@jordansprad]

23.2 8208xbr, right at 2800fps and .6-.7moa and I've got them for less than .20

[@otetechie]

77 gr Nosler and 22.9 gr I’d AR Comp is my load for gas gun matches. It’s been good out to 1k yards.

[@jordansprad]

@@otetechie heck yeah, I took mine out to 1k, a few weeks ago at a class

[@nporcaro4596]

Love watching all your videos, got me started in reloading. Except for now when you can’t buy any components like primers especially.

[@MrJeronlewis]

Yeah, sucks trying to build a car when you can't get a motor.

[@dinoc.5537]

On days like this, it is good to fall back into a closing test with your best baseline ammo just to insure you don’t actually have something going wrong with the rig, rests, or the driver…

[@cjsima]

Yeah I agree, those groups are all small enought that I wouldn't assume it was the ammo over shooter/ weather / lighting or any other variable

[@homersaypian3798]

Perfect timing! I’ve been watching the mk262 series over the past week.

[@squib3083]

I’m currently loading these projectiles for .223 rem and greatly appreciate your data points. Your channel is an incredible resource.

[@mattm3562]

@johnny'sreloadingbench Audio sounds great to me. Also, I have shot the 75s and 77s out of my WOA 1/7 barrel. I could not get the 75s to behave. They would group two or three together at most four with a flyer. The sierra 77s were consistent. I settled on LC brass, fed 205m, 23.6 grains of 8208xbr and sierra 77. I can shoot ten shots into about an inch.

[@mikesauer7775]

I've been shooting 23.9gr of 8208208xbr ,with real good groups but slightly over pressure. 1 in 5 shots always seems to wander 1/2" away from main group

[@jaydunbar7538]

My AR loves Hornady black 75g BTHP, easy sub moa on a bipod with no special care taken. Off the shelf Adam's arms kostog.

[@GoogleUser-zx5vs]

Picked up some of the Hornady 75 gr. BTHPs the other day after getting tired of paying the price for the 77 gr. SMKs, then I saw this video. Sierras are good projectiles but, if your barrel likes the Hornady, it's going to have similar terminal performance at a far more reasonable price. Thanks for the great content JRB, favorite channel on this platform..or anywhere!

[@a.n.4819]

2:35 🤣 I use the same coffee can for brass, along with a butt load of daisy sour cream containers.

[@chrissutton3043]

I started using peanut butter pretzel containers lol

[@chavezhead]

I use the same coffee cans!

[@larrycaro1333]

Thank you so much for your hard work. Please continue to make videos. They are wonderful.

[@saltcreekammo]

Great stuff! Would like to see a seating depth/harmonics test with the MK262 series- put Erik Cortina’s theory to the test.

[@jimm2600]

Another great Johnny"s video, keep them coming brother!

[@salg7998]

Great work Johnny! Keep the 223 videos coming

[@sapago4166]

This is perfect for me right now. Thank you.

[@joshjohnson1653]

Love this series!

[@renatusfox6552]

Very excited for these videos. Love making mk262-ish clones

[@bobbabcock3847]

very interesting results

[@littledaddynesbit4193]

....just shot my first 50 rounds out my new Savage FTR 30" 1:7 and 23.4grn of N540 under 75grn Hornady BTHP is looking very good (0.3" @100 yards) I've also got some 80grn SMK but haven't found a load yet and 22.8grn is slightly compressed....Thanks for all your excellent videos!

[@corymcleod2728]

I loaded the 62gr and 75gr Speer Gold Dots with N540 after seeing your video long ago with the 77gr SMK. THE 62 grain is now my go to cartridge for my HK93. Unfortunately the HK93 has a 1-12” twist and didn’t stabilize the 75 grain bullet. However I recently found a 1-7” barrel for the rifle and look forward to shooting both weight bullets. Thank you for turning me on to Vihtavuori powders, I now use it Vihtavuori powders for many of my different loads. Rifles and pistols.

[@robertchapman5981]

I always enjoy your videos

[@kennethtephabock5634]

Great video

[@LastCaress7]

Keepem coming johnny. 👍

[@eoleksiak]

Give H4895 a try somewhere around 23gns. It’s my favorite 223 load. I’ve shot some great group with it! My buddy uses Varget with it and he also gets some great groups right around 24 grains. I can dig up my load data if needed

[@michaelkaiser1864]

I like the H4895 as well (good luck finding it tho). I like the velocity inspite of very low pressure. Damn near scoop the case full and still not make 556 top pressure!

[@benjaminnevins5211]

What a great shooting rifle!

[@Chato4570]

I used a few T-nuts under my bench, straight holes for the bolts to pass through and bolts sit neatly at the top of the bench attaching the press to the board. Real fast to unbolt and no need to worry about dropping nuts

[@k.r3960]

Hi Johnny. I was very happy to see the SBR powder video you made. I shoot a 8.9" 5.56 barrel. 77gr SMK and Barnes 85gr Match Burner. I constantly get blinded by fireballs at night. Your help with finding the " go to " SBR load is much appreciated.

[@thomasstaples]

I’ve been waiting for a couple years for a mk262 series but with 75gr bthp. Excited to see how this turns out. Also can’t wait to see where the sbr loading goes!

[@tfunkhou88]

Oh my god….a new video????? Oh happy days!!!! I’ve had good luck with these over 23.8gr Shooters World Tactical Rifle at 2.250

[@brandonjohnson3120]

I’ve had very similar results with the 75gr bthp and varmint. I did see lower ES and SD than you’re seeing using the CCI 41 primers. At 24.5gr PPV, LC Brass, CCI 41 primers through a 24” AR stoner bull barrel I saw: 2879 FPS 25 ES 9 SD So lower ES and SD is possible. Glad to see I’m not the only one struggling with these bullets and power pro varmint. Even the Tom Brady of reloading (JRB) has issues from time to time 😅. Thanks for the quality content!

[@H.R.6688]

Ive ordered from grafs several times, always good service.

[@nathanmanley4203]

That 75 grain hornady seems to be doing something similar to what I have experienced with their factory 223 55 grain fmjbt. It will almost always throw one out and the others will be on top of each other. That's out of my 16 inch 223wylde chamber 1:8 aero precision barrel 416r ss

[@tim7of717]

I bought 1000 75gr from Rocky Mountain Reloading thanks to your amazing tutelage for $174. They are out now, but as of 9/13/21, they have 1000 69gr for $147. If anyone hasn't got the hint, this guy has the best KZbin channel if you're into reloading. He will save you a TON OF MONEY, especially these days when nothing is cheap.

[@chriswollan9319]

Yes waiting for some 75gr stuff 😀 Imr4895 over 23gr @ 2.230 w/ crimp in my 12.3” 1:7 best so far for me. Gold dot 75gr 5 in .375” 50yds using a red dot. Fairly new to the 223 world. You are highly recommend in my W. Sage reload group! Be safe out there!!

[@vodekz1534]

Great point! , I like 77gr SMK I shoot both powders

[@philipscougale2075]

Somewhere I read that the SMK has a tangent ogive while the Hornady OTM has a secant ogive. Secant has a better ballistic coefficient typically but is also more sensitive to variation in seating depth. Seems to make sense as you see most people can get the SMKs to perform well but you see more complaints about the Hornady OTM not giving great performance in some guns.

[@HighPriestVaticanAssasin]

Your are correct and from what I see and hear the 75s like to be jumped more at around 2.23-2.24 COAL.

[@jacksonthompson7099]

@@HighPriestVaticanAssasin that makes sense to me, guess inconstancy bullet seated need to have a longer jump to the throat of the barrel. Guess they stabilize better. Reminds me of that one competition shooter who provided the jam test then back off 20 thou and play with the overall length. In a nut shell not chasing the lands makes the most sense with these type of bullets.

[@ewetho]

After shooting the Nosler 77s you sent me a long time back I was sold bought 1000! Those are in my 1:9 twist 22-250… using RL16 in mine…

[@glockparaastra]

My best combo with these 75gr Hornady bullets is with N140 using Remington brass. I am still testing N540 in Lapua brass (N140 is too expensive in my country now). My velocity is lower with my 16" M4 barrel but groups are great. I've had great success up to 540m with this 75gr bullet.

[@alaskatruoutdoors9238]

I have super groups with these bullets and H4895. Very low sd and es as well.

[@fredrau5279]

Thanks

[@pandemicprecision4603]

I been waiting on some 223 action again man. I've got two boxes of those to play with that I've not even opened yet. I think I'm going to put them in front of some varget in my WOA barrel.

[@jdrollason]

Hey JRB, I like what you did with your Hornady micro adjust. Adding your own lines drastically makes it easier to see your measurements. Even with the additions of black on mine from Hornady, it is still kind of a pain to see. I also appreciate some of the artistic shots of the powder. Retro. When my BA 223 wylde barrel wears out, I will definitely need to look at WOA. Keep em coming dude. *Buzz D Clown*

[@christhomas953]

I loaded up 500 of the hornaday 75 gr at the end of spring. I used 24.2 gr of Tac, and some once fired WCC mil brass seated to the canalure.

[@isaacctll]

Super excited for these videos! Like everyone else, I have had inconsistent results with the Hornady. Refreshing to know it's not just me lol. I have tried weight sorting my bullets and found the runout to be pretty appalling compared to Sierra 77 SMKs. The base to ogive measurements are pretty consistent though. I have tried different charge weights, but have not yet tried different seating depths with them. I hope you are able to tame them so I can try to follow suit.

[@matthewperry3817]

I've ordered some some everglades 75 grain bthp with a cannalure. Their supposed to be a hunting bullet. Has anyone tried them? Johnny your videos have been a great place for information and the reason I've gotten into reloading

[@fomerbu]

One tip: buy small groups before you invest in something that won't work.

[@bigal4334]

I keep getting notices that these are in stock and I'm so tempted to get some of these too test.

[@ImNoBSING]

I had the worst experience with 75s and N540. Tried all kinds of charges and cols. I cleaned barrel and switched N140, it seems better now.

[@ReloadingQuest]

Good video! Enjoyed it! Gave me a few ideas for my next video!

[@otetechie]

My SR15 prefers the 77’s but the old Bushmaster competition rifle with an extra heavy barrel loves these 75’s and Varget.

[@MrCptnawsm]

Interesting results! I would weigh a batch of those bullets to see if there are any outliers. I tried the same bullet in a factory load and they shot about minute-of-basketball in a 1:8" barrel, so it's nice to see that a 1:7" twist seem to stabilise them well enough.

[@mikesauer7775]

I have been working up loads with non cantilever 75gr hornady match. 22.5gr Benchmark gave 1/2"groups @100yds with one or 2 outliers. 23.9grs 8208xbr (over pressure!) But shot simular @2,725fps

[@chavezhead]

I've been shooting them with about 26.1gr of CFE223 based on the Hornady 10th edition 556 data. I'm getting crazy velocity, over 2900fps from a 20" 1:8 Wylde. I may need to slow them down for better accuracy.

[@fcp5039]

"Well, that load has gone to crap!" Sounds like one of my range trips. :o)

[@lenzadlberger]

Hello Johnny you brought me back to Reloading cause you give us so many good Tips and Tricks and it is so much fun to watch your Videos Greetings from Germany / where all components are way more expensive but it is relaxing and fun P.s. Try Peregrine Bullets as Alternative to Barnes in Germany you actually get no Barnes TTSX till next year so i tried this they work great for me in Dia 264 284 308 and 323 we have to hunt leadfree in some Regions and after 2023 in whole Germany so i go started Tests this year for me shot several Roe and Red Deer till yet with it and some Boars / Yes they are not cheap but not more expensive than Barnes here in Europe

[@graynotescartridgebox]

I shot mostly 77 gr SMKs but wanted a cheaper alternative so I bought a case of Hornady to try. I’ve shot several thousand of the 75 gr Hornady, and I feel like I’m always chasing my tail. Unexplained flyers are common. Varget was terrible for me. TAC did better but there would still be flyers. It wasn’t a process error, runout was always good. Back to the Sierras and the problems went away. I’ve since decided to pony up for Sierra or, when I can, buy cosmetic factory seconds up in Sedalia at the plant. I wish they would ship them, but they only take walk-ins and sell by the pound.

[@farmerbrown84]

I have had issues with a bipod with rubber feet - especially on a hard surface - it can sometimes "hop" causing some vertical. Since I discovered that, I always use a sliding surface (such as a towel or something) on top of the hard surface and the vertical goes away. I especially see it with large calibers.

[@BushmasterM4A3]

Oh heck yea!

[@JT-py9lv]

Would love to see these in a .22-250 with an 8 twist.

[@CRHalliday]

I shoot the 75 grain Amax/ELD in my .22-250 Ackley Improved. They are indeed impressive. Mine are going 3,265 fps from a 21” barrel and not pushing hard.

[@graynotescartridgebox]

.22 Creedmoor

[@CRHalliday]

If anything Creedmoor was a thing before I had my rifle built, I would have considered it. Now, I have the dies, so I’m committed. There would be nothing for me to gain by switching it up now.

[@larryreed5714]

I've had really good luck with Varget and Rem 7 1/2 for that bullet and LC brass.

[@shadorourke8955]

I’ve had good luck running h322 with small Magnum primers in my 75gr load! Can’t remember the charge weight on the top of my head but give that powder a try.

[@AlexCP2394]

I had been trying the Hornady 75s with PPV 24.8 gr and had similar results. About 1.25-1.5 MOA was the best I could with LC brass and CCI 450 primers (10 shot groups). I was loading them on a progressive and shooting them in a 20" Krieger barrel service rifle upper I built with a Hi-Lux XTC 4x scope. The same load with the SMK averaged 1 MOA. PPV and the Hornady 75 BTHPs may just not work well.

[@NSghostoif5]

Thanks to your mk vids I also included to test 75 Hornady used shooters match 26.4 got 2803 sub .5moa also 2520 26.3 at 2800 .5moa no pressure for me but others beware cfe I gave up sd and es were horrible would love to get n540

[@TheDkb427]

Haha looks like my pro 1000 mounted to an old end table lol. Get er done!! I love loading hornady 75gr bthp with cannelure and 24.8gr tac. Just loaded a few 77 gr smk and tmk with 24.1 gr tac Hopefully gunna shoot em tomorrow. Prepping brass sucks!!!! Lee chamfering tool starting to give me blisters. Happy shooting!!!!

[@gallopazzesco2292]

Upvoted … I’m totally down with this.

[@rufturbo997]

I followed your mk 262 series and got interested in finding a load for myself. I have found Accurate 2520 to deliver on velocities (mid-upper 2700's) with very good accuracy. Also Winchester 748 is showing some promise. My test rifle is 16" barrel, mid length gas system.

[@bsievers33]

My WOA barrel shoots .5-.8 with the 75s but only with Varget and 8208. Tac stays right at 1 inch. Groups with C.F.E, Accurate 2520, Power Pro Varmint and BL-C(2) are over 2 inches.

[@ewetho]

Johnny try 24.2 and 24.6 gr of N540… watching a bench rest reloading video … it would indicate your just over the node…… with single flier.. double group of 23.9 indicates well over node… The Varmint loads are just well out of the nodes…. Seating depth or powder or both….

[@graynotescartridgebox]

Agreed: double groups mean you’re higher pressure than the node.

[@sakusalo-tuisku4305]

i just bought 500 of those 75gr hornadys for my T3 varmint to use with N540. Tikka shoots fantastic with 77gr scenar and N540 so i have high hopes for this cheaper bullet with similar weight

[@kendalbrian]

I’ve had really good results with Shooter’s World Match Rifle powder and the Hornady 75gr pill.

[@brettr6895]

I have those same magazines. Fine for low stress 10 shots for bench rest, but not the most reliable. Wish I would have gotten the pmags when they were cheaper.

[@ryanwood3067]

I load 24.7 grains of varmint with my 75 bthp Hornady. I get great results some of my favorite powder. Get really good results with the sierra 77 grainers

[@ryanwood3067]

I'm using fed 205 match primers Get good results from cfe 223 also

[@aklaunch]

I bought an 8lb jug of PP varmint after watching your last series. I can't get anything to shoot with it. It is fast though.

[@Jay78801]

I have had good luck with varget with those 75grn.

[@MarkiusFox]

Been shopping around gradually for factory loaded 77gr stuff since I finally got my Mk.12 Mod.0 upper from High Caliber Sales. Haven't shot it yet because I'm still waiting on getting the proper scope rings and the scope itself. Visited Palmetto State Armory in Mt. Pleasant, SC and grabbed a box of Nosler Match 77gr .223 and a box of Hornady Match 73gr ELD-M .223, should be interesting to see how they compare to the 5.56 that I currently have.

[@galamonkey]

I feel like the Hornady 75gr BTHP would be the perfect bullet to bulk load heavy OTM ammo for an AR. The price is right, and you could easily work up a load that works great in a few of your rifles with just some basic charge weight testing. Then load em up on a progressive.

[@davidlong6796]

So random... I live in an apartment, and my reloading setup looks almost exactly like this with everything mounted to the plank.

[@jordanhays732]

I was actually going to try n540 with the 73gr eld hornady

[@HighPriestVaticanAssasin]

I have a bunch of the 75s like yourself hoping to get them to shoot because of price. So far I can say they are not as consistent as the Sierras. Not done trying things out though. I get weird group shifts and fliers more with the Hornadys (same 18" WOA barrel and recently upgraded from PSA upper/handguard to a Aero enhanced upper/hanguard, Larue MBT2S) I have read that these bullets actually don't really like mag length and do better somewhere between 2.23 and 2.24 (Hornady's Factory loadings are loaded shorter than mag length FWIW) I have had the best numbers with RL15 and will also be trying N140 and CFE223 soon but running low on Primers.

[@tinncan]

I would pick up the 600 packs of the slick ones from Academy for 13¢ each when they would send me coupons... They could probably stand to be sorted for uniformity but generally have been pretty accurate.

[@GalloPazzesco]

I thought I just commented ... "totally down with this." Apparently not but I'll post it again, I am totally down with this. So tired of begging for 77 SMKs w/ cannelures plus I have a ton of VV540.

[@stephenroach8033]

My clone four the last 8 years has been 24.7g of 2000MR. Like to see you do a workup on the 85g RDF as they can be mag length

[@tjh44961]

If you had good results with the CCI #41 primers, the first thing I'd do is go back to them, and see if the PP Varmint works better. I also seem to remember that you used Remington #7 1/2 primers to good result in that series, as well.

[@davidpippin1845]

I’ve had good luck with H4895 and the 75 HPBT

[@duckwacker8720]

Sages reloading supply has the Hornady 75 grain for $20.99 for the 100 pack.

[@mark120371]

Looking at this shows what i found, there is a bit of inconsistency the weight of the 75gr hornady BTHP. I have thr hornady and some federal (gold dot)75gr also. fed are a bit more consistent in weight. I also have some of the old molly coated Hornady 75gr units also, I did however remove the greasy film from them and they shoot great with with Power Pro Varmint. The 77gr cost more for a reason a guess just more consistency in the production.

[@bethomp65]

I have a similar setup and had issues with the mlok screw for the bipod pic rail hitting the gas block. Worth checking.

[@me2bfc]

75 grain Hornadys work great in my 16”. The Sierras work really well in my 20” using carry handle irons. I haven’t worked in the 77s in the shorter barrel. The 75 grainers seem to shoot better around 2650 fps from my rifle. Max load was under an inch but a middle load was around 5/8”.

[@TheDkb427]

Agreed. I got better accuracy with tac on the upper scale of powder.

[@me2bfc]

@@TheDkb427 there’s one I haven’t tried. When I found the 75s worked so well with IMR 4064 accuracy wise I didn’t try any more. I’m out of 75s anyway. I have plenty of TAC for 55 gr FMJ. Maybe I’ll try some TAC and 75s if I can find them.

[@TheDkb427]

@@me2bfc I just checked hogdons site and they are out. MidSouth had some a while ago but the hazmat charge is stupid same with primers. It's dumb you can order primed cases without hazmat but need hazmat for just primers!! The man has to get his I reckon

[@me2bfc]

@@TheDkb427 thanks. I meant I was out of the 75 grain bullets not the 7 1/2 primers. I messed up and worked that load up with bench rest primers, which is evidently what Bigfoot uses and has been using ALL of them cause I can’t find him or them.

[@TheDkb427]

@@me2bfc haha good one yo!!! I gotya. Trying to keep stock is a pain. There's always something I gotta get and money don't last too long.

[@turbonium96]

I had the best results with the 8208xbr and rl15 with the 75 grain hornady, lc brass and cci400

[@trentontrapasso2455]

Was I the only one who noticed when you were seating the bullets the Hornady thing that keeps the bullet in line didn't come back down after the first one?

[@chevrofreak]

The Hornady 75's shoot great over AR-Comp for me

[@GrottyWanker69]

Any ideas for a clone of MK318 for us 62gr lovers?

[@richardsveum8452]

I've had some serious inconsistency issues with the 75 grain Hornady using Varget and AA 2520 so I am not surprised with your results.

[@NSghostoif5]

So weird you say that i was thinking dedicating 2520 for 75 because I had such great results now makes me wonder if lots make such difference 🤔

[@richardsveum8452]

@@NSghostoif5 I think it's inconsistencies with the bullets themselves I would get great groups going then 1 bullet would go 1-1.5" out of the group so I would have 4 in a .75" cluster and one out of every group would fly out for no rhyme or reason, the rifle was heavily sand bagged no movement minimum input from me at all. Never had issues like that with the 69 or 77 grain SMK or the Berger.

[@NSghostoif5]

@@richardsveum8452 I think you right i rewatched JRB vid mine are way sharper and ojive is way lower ordered mine from midsouth

[@HighPriestVaticanAssasin]

@@richardsveum8452 same here.

[@HighPriestVaticanAssasin]

@@NSghostoif5 there are 2 kinds of Hornady BTHPs the T1 (what Johnny has in this video) and the T2 which is found in the Hornady TAP and Frontier 75gr loads. The T2 almost always has a cannelure from what Ive seen.

[@CorwinBos]

Johnny! You need to give the RMR 69gr BTHPs out! 14 cents a piece for a match bullet. And the folks at Rocky Mountain Reloading are good 2A supporting people

[@jamespugh]

Good testing Johnny. Wonder if the bullets are ok before you load them. Hornady quality has not been best lately. Hard lot people have bullets to die issues. Where these seconds? Likeing the kitchen table set up

[@allenstephenson3554]

You need to sort those Hornady bullets. They are inconsistent and have always thrown flyers. It is more rare for them NOT to throw flyers. One of the main reasons most competitive shoots shoot Berger, SMK's, or custom bullets. More consistency in jackets, meplats, and weights.

[@fredsherman4477]

Holy crow!!!! I saw your face 😂

[@billbee235]

I know it’s not completely necessary, but when are you going to scoop up a premium scope? Vortex Razor Gen II or Leupold Mk5HD, etc would be a huge step up for testing. Much easier to zero turrets, way better clarity and hell you could confidently shoot groups/ladder-tests at 300/400/500 yards. As a precision rifle guy, optics are integral to accuracy. Also I wouldn’t load the bipod hard into a step. Look up 8541 Tactical video on loading the bipod. It’s about building a bridge from the rifle to shoulder