23. HOW TO: Do The Impossible Turn, Avoid Rotor Loading, and MORE!

[@AdventureAir]

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[@demounit2505]

Your videos are exactly what I want to know. Excellent work.

[@bodymasteralenhodzicchirop2057]

Its really fun watching you. I think you are great instructor

[@junglemangyro8738]

Henry. One point I think important to remember when doing the ‘impossible turn’ in a true engine failure situation is to keep above the minimum rudder control speed as now no prop wash over the rudder. So more of a flying turn rather than a pull up & heavily reliat rudder turn. In the Magni we use 25knots as our minimum rudder control speed.

[@craigroberts757]

Great Video Henry. I already feel like I've flown with you.

[@billburkart8527]

Thank you Henry, loving your videos, very informative. 👍👍

[@AdventureAir]

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[@joshuacrossing7117]

Henry is the best! I had the chance to get some training time in with him and he was great. I am a private pilot, with less than 200 hours C172/C182 time. Couldn't be happier with his training, made me a better pilot. Thanks, Henry!!

[@AdventureAir]

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[@isaactillotson9378]

I like your videos… and want you to explain blade flap and problems it can create and how this can happen. Also, can you talk about which would be a best 1st gyroplane to own and fly (Catalonia vs ELA Eclipse) and do a good comparison

[@capitovar]

Can't wait to see you guys. see you soon.

[@AdventureAir]

"Adventure Air, see ya!"

[@juanbaitx8740]

Thank you for such an illustrative video, impressive aircraft in the hands of an expert. Greetings from Argentina 🇦🇷

[@AdventureAir]

We're glad you enjoyed and thank you for watching!

[@kenwebb6246]

Nice intro to gyros! Thanks for the video!

[@AdventureAir]

Thanks for watching. We have a whole bunch more. Check out our channel and let us know what you think. We always love suggestions!

[@robertmurdoch1]

Great info. Great presentation.

[@emfimpulse]

Thanks Henry! Great video, and very informative!

[@AdventureAir]

Thanks for the questions and thanks for watching!

[@electricaviationchannelvid7863]

Great info and content!

[@AdventureAir]

Thanks for watching!

[@soloflight75]

Super video. In the fixed wing I would always turn into the wind as it would be keeping my radius of turn short. Am I correct in assuming that is a total non issue with the Cavalon due to its sharp turn rate?

[@silverlightaviation]

In most 2 seat modern gyroplanes, the rotor RPM will decrease the fastest at around 0.5 G not at 0 or negative G loading. I found that out testing for GWS (Gyroplane Warning System). We were decelerating rotor RPM at 20 RPM/second at 0.5 G. At lower G loading because there is much less induced drag, the deceleration is actually slower than at 0.5 G. At that rate it would take about 4 to 5 seconds in that state for the rotor RPM to get to a very dangerous point. Basically, that could be a fatal accident usually resulting in torque roll if the pilot keep high engine power and chopping the tail and prop blades. Just FYI ..

[@AdventureAir]

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[@dkdanis1340]

What do you mean by torque roll? Do you mean an bunt of over or just the torque generated by engine? As far as i know modern center line gyros with stabilizer can't bunt. Do all gyros have some kind of instrument that tells g force or some kind of warning already implemented in existing gyros? Do any gyros have some kind of physical limit system for that problem if not i have an idea. My idea is to add some kind counter weight to the stick that will limit forward stick movement until it's back to normal. For example when it experiences lower g the counter weight lifts (just like pilot from the seat) and over some linkages it presses the stick back the higher the "absence" of g the harder it presses back.

[@silverlightaviation]

@@dkdanis1340 Torque roll. Nothing to do with buntover. Propeller torque effect. Pilots forget to cut the power in such situations. Rule of thumb in gyroplanes in upsets. Cut power to idle and bring cyclic stick to neutral and pull slight back.

[@tonyscott4189]

Good work thanks

[@AdventureAir]

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[@TheCoastalEddie]

Really enjoy your videos. You explain - and demonstrate - things very well.

[@AdventureAir]

Thanks for watching!

[@alanswadling3907]

How do you factor in air density if you were to fly fully loaded from a high altitude air strip? curious.🤔

[@Dave-co1cv]

These gyrocopters look like a lot of fun, but the crash compilation videos kind of take the fun part back.

[@AdventureAir]

That's mostly due to a lack of training. Some models are considered ultralights and no pilot license is required. I'm sure there's plenty of crash compilation videos for more mainstream aircraft.

[@currentfaves65]

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[@AdventureAir]

Thanks! We have a new video coming out tomorrow!

[@PopsGG]

In the event of a engine outage on take off, is it safer to do the 180 back to the runway or just do a short landing ahead (assuming the ground is not obstructed)?

[@AdventureAir]

If you know the space in front of you is good for landing, definitely keep it flying into the wind. The main purpose of this video is to show that the gyroplane is capable of doing the impossible turn. The thing to consider is the fact that you'll be landing in a possible tailwind condition should you do the impossible turn.

[@gobstoppa1633]

excellent cheers, mint"

[@AdventureAir]

Thanks for watching!

[@DonBais]

On the impossible turn you are landing down wind! How would things go if you were taking off in a 20 mph headwind?

[@CopyCatGarage]

nice thank you for your content. I am 56 years old and would love to learn, fly and own a GyroPlane. Besides the cost of the gyro what would you say the average cost of getting licensed and do you think at my age it would still be viable?

[@AdventureAir]

With our flight school, expect to spend around $5,000-$7,000 depending on how quickly you pick up the maneuvers. 56 is very young still as we have students in their 70s and 80s..

[@TimToussaint]

I was wondering why you didn’t demonstrate the simulated engine failure after take-off, after taking off?

[@AdventureAir]

It's hard to do at a busy towered airport and we'd rather not actually do it with a tailwind unless it's a real emergency but here's another video where we had an actual engine out emergency: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eqaQkKepr5aDpZY

[@crawford323]

Interesting. 420 RRPM is a fairly high disk loading. I would expect that at this RRPM the aircraft cruises near 100 mph. What is the gross weight?

[@AdventureAir]

Empty weight is 715 lbs. and max take off mass is 1232 lbs.

[@chrisrossleong5735]

Henry, could you do a quick video about landing downwind? For instance, at the end of your "impossible" turn, which presumably came off an upwind takeoff? Or if you have to land on an uphill (or otherwise one-way-only) oriented runway, like Catalina? Thanks!

[@AdventureAir]

Wait for Sunday's video 😉😉😉

[@jimd421]

With the negative trees going on.What happens when you get in severe up and down drafts and turbulence

[@AdventureAir]

+@jimd421 slow down.

[@KutWrite]

What determines which seat is for the PIC? Looks like the PIC gauges are on the left side of the panel, but you're flying on the right.

[@AdventureAir]

In this model, the PIC sits in the right seat like many helicopters. Most of the necessary instruments like artificial horizon, VSI, engine RPM and rotor RPM are in the center. Temp and pressure gauges are in front of the left seat. During dual instruction, the instructor sits on the left with a throttle linkage for the left side installed.

[@KutWrite]

@@AdventureAir OK, thanks! that leads me to ask, if the bird wants to turn left during an auto, why isn't the PIC seat on the left?

[@AdventureAir]

I'm going to say by tradition. As most rotor craft pilots sit in the right seat. That's consistent with US built and European built helicopters. Airbus/Eurocopter helicopters have a reverse MR rotation than most US helicopters.

[@KutWrite]

@@AdventureAir You're probably right. the Bell 47s and Hughes 300s I flew were piston-powered and the piC sat on the left. That changed with turbine-powered craft, which had MR also rotating CCW (from the top). i wasn't sure about Euro copters which you have confirmed. i think early in my training I'd heard it was connected to autorotation turn tendency. old ideas die hard.

[@ActionSportsMaui]

Should you reduce forward speed going into an impossible turn? Can you go too fast? or should you try to maintain speed?

[@AdventureAir]

If you're doing the impossible turn, you would already be going slow due to the engine loss on climb out. You shouldn't try the impossible turn during high speed.

[@longpigs]

I was always taught not to apply full pedal at zero airspeed, though clearly you're managing it here with no problems. I do wonder whether, in actual engine off situation, you wouod have any rudder authority at zero airspeed...? Even at zero power setting engine on would give you the tail power needed to get around, without it you'd have to gain this from dropping the nose more with more loss of altitude... just a thought...

[@AdventureAir]

Thank you for your thoughtful comment. We appreciate your knowledge and insight on the subject.

[@jobischops6306]

2 times 180° while having engine failure during a take off and you're back into the wind. Ofcourse when you having enough hight. One big plus of a giro 🙂

[@AdventureAir]

It is!

[@bennialexander]

@AdventureAir what kind of permit is required for this? PPL?

[@AdventureAir]

In the United States, the minimum requirement is a light sport aircraft-gyroplane certificate.

[@bennialexander]

@@AdventureAir Many thanks, is that similar to the PPL or less demanding?

[@AdventureAir]

@@bennialexander No medical required. Just a driver license and a heartbeat.

[@bmac3394]

Ok, so it HAS to spin faster, but WILL it? Or is it a danger to avoid?

[@AdventureAir]

Nope..it wont go much above 420 RPM

[@whoiam5838]

If you were taking off into the wind, would the impossible turn bring you into a landing with the wind, and would that cause any problems?

[@AdventureAir]

You would have a longer landing and higher landing speed as opposed to landing into the wind, but it's still better than landing into a building..

[@whoiam5838]

@@AdventureAir Thanks.

[@GyroBlain]

Thanks for the video Henry! Wondering if you have much experience flying in strong turbulence and what your thoughts are there? I've been in turbulence (Cav 915) where my rotor RPM varied +20/-20 and I really had to concentrate on keeping the stick neutral. I got out of there. I've also experienced a fairly strong yaw instability in turbulence without much change in rotor RPM, and of course the effect of mountain wave. I always try to read the conditions and have a bailout plan. I don't want to push things.

[@AdventureAir]

Thanks for asking. We can cover these questions in a future videos!

[@KutWrite]

I'll guess you don't mean 'bailout' literally!

[@DanielSan-ch7dr]

@@KutWrite we do have a bailout plan in gliders if we get hit or have a system failure. We eject the canopy and jump out and parachute to the ground and then we call the insurance company.

[@silverlightaviation]

You should slow down to 60 knots or 70 mph or lower in such turbulence immediately

[@leanbean8376]

​@@KutWrite😅...

[@MolecularArts]

Does Flyings so as to reduce stress on the rotor extend the rotor's lifetime?

[@AdventureAir]

If you had less stress would you live longer? 😉😉

[@colinkobel2868]

What is involved with obtaining a pilots license for a gyro?

[@AdventureAir]

In the USA, a light sport aircraft-gyroplane certificate is required. It is a minimum of 20 hours of flight instruction including at least 5 hours of solo flight.

[@johnnyziemer5561]

What about "Jump starts"?

[@AdventureAir]

What about them?

[@silverlightaviation]

Just get a helicopter

[@currentfaves65]

Summary from ChatGPT: This video discusses the features and operation of a Cavalon gyroplane. The video is presented by Henry from Adventure Air, and covers topics such as rotor speed, what is considered too much or too little, and the impossible turn, which is a maneuver that can be performed with a gyroplane in case of engine failure. The video also mentions that in an auto gyro, the rotor speed is automatically adjusted according to the requirements of Mother Nature, and does not need to be monitored much. Additionally, the video also talks about the do's and don'ts of flying an auto gyro, which includes avoiding negative G's and taking off and landing into the wind.

[@AdventureAir]

That's a really cool summary from the AI.

[@LessAiredvanU]

Do not land of take off downwind... Should your engine quit during take off, you can do an " impossible turn" and go back on the runway AND LAND DOWNWIND...

[@AdventureAir]

That's right