24 HARD DRIVES??? Norco 4U Rack Mount with UNRAID!

Upgrading from an 8-bay Drobo Elite to a 24-bay Norco 4U Rack Mount and using UNRAID!
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[@robertdavis4901]

Would be awesome to see you set it up. Full build and all...

[@TechnicallyNerdy]

Agreed

[@fastjp72]

@@TechnicallyNerdy 7 months later and nothing, thumbs down!

[@keerthykumar9781]

Does he really care abt viewers. I searched his entire channel. No proper playlists nor the build video. It really sucks.

[@TechnicallyNerdy]

@@fastjp72 YEAH THUMBS DOWN! EFF THAT LAZY DUDE!

[@TheDJZeroX]

@@TechnicallyNerdy Now you can say: It's because of corona.

[@virayudh]

Do you have to installed Motherboard CPU RAM etc. into this unit?? Or you can just wire it with some cable to a server as an expansion??

[@benjaminford8173]

Would love to see how to set something like this up, currently using a PC with 4 10Tb drives, it would be nice to have more backups.

[@magnetomage]

I currently use a JBOD with a stack of disks as my storage... Holds 40TB, but I would love to have a beefier storage setup; might take a look at unraid and a rack

[@CSIG1001]

Did you ever figure out which rail system is compatible? Thanks

[@amateurwizard]

How big are the fans slots? The ones at the back look like 80mm and the ones in the middle look like 120mm.

[@shadowr2d2]

Thank you for posting this video 🎉. You have a new subscriber. Keep up the great 👍 work..

[@TheBekker_]

Using unraid as well for general storage, plex and also backup for other machines in the house, and then the whole thing gets backed up to crashplan, it's really awesome. Especially if you also like to do VM's and docker, makes it really easy

[@simwiz0]

I would love to see the setup and completion of this project!

[@WindCatcherRC]

Hey Joel, I would love to see more about this. I'm looking at something similar, but not quite at that scale. I would love to learn more about what you are doing with that Unraid.

[@house89147]

I'd like to see this one built and configured. I have a hp ml350 I have to do the same thing with.

[@TheDogcatchersito]

Anywhere else that they sell this? Can't find it

[@AndrewShaffer91]

I'd love to see what you do with this, for sure. I switched our home server to Unraid about six months ago, and I really like it. It's a great tool, and easy to add to over time - that was my biggest draw.

[@TechnicallyNerdy]

Oh man I am SO excited!

[@edumaker-alexgibson]

Great video Joel! Just discovered this side channel.

[@mdvalenz1]

I'd love to see more about how you build the rack and setup everything. I have a QNAP NAS at home with 4HDs and was going to buy 2 6TB drives to expand my storage. I don't think I'll every be able to use a 24 drive rack but they have smaller versions that could work for what I need.

[@Handskemager]

Anyone else’s brain was screaming “What’s in the box, what’s in the box”? XD

[@ellerm86]

So I’ve been using this chassis (for unraid) for many years. But instead of being just data storage, since I’m using unraid, it’s my primary server. I use a 3970x (threadripper), 128GB of ram and I currently have 20x 10tb with two of those being parity, and nvme for my cache. I run my plex off of this, torrent/seed box, and all my vms into of my network shares. I love this case.

[@camerongeorge4246]

did you make a build video?

[@vinaycharitarth]

This is really cool! Would like to see this as a ongoing project- style content

[@TechnicallyNerdy]

I'll see what I can do!

[@blizatrex]

That looks like it would mount into a server rack. Do you have an offsite backup option also?

[@TechnicallyNerdy]

Not yet. Working on that.

[@7-tech511]

Which RAID Card are you using?

[@JohnOCFII]

Nice. I've been running UNRAID for about 4 years now in a much smaller setup, but it has been very reliable. It would be great to see how you set it up, and what share allocation method and split level you choose and why. Also curious if you plan to use any of the Docker container features.

[@TechnicallyNerdy]

My friend said “Docker is the future” so I don’t think I’ll have a choice :)

[@REDKLOK_-_The_Original]

I WAS a data hoarder. I even had stuff from the late 80's and early 90's... but alas, I had an external drive that failed on me, so I lost everything. I will look into redundancy and possibly a server for a NAS

[@thatfoxfoxy]

Lol, I'm looking for creating a unraid build for the couple of weeks and suddenly see a video from you. I hope you want to take us with you while setting up the whole system! There are plenty unraid videos on youtube but I can't seem to find any that have the newest version installed with the lovely new UI!

[@HmmmmmLemmeThinkNo]

I would love to see the process of getting it all going, and how well it works, etc. You specified spinning disks; are there any other options for high-volume data storage, that don't have spinning disks? And what is the purpose of having all that data available constantly, as opposed to labelling a drive once it's more or less full, with everything on it, and then putting it away in storage?

[@TechnicallyNerdy]

I'm not sure if there are solid state options. It seems industry standard for THIS sort of application is spinning disks. I know there are 10TB disks now, which, is crazy. It's not that I need access to THIS data all the time - it's that I need it sometimes, and sometimes I'll need other data stored on these drives. What I don't want is my workflow impacted. If I want something from a year ago, I don't want to have to go digging and then bring it online. Probably part of my data hoarding "problem" :)

[@spikekent]

Definitely interested in seeing this built and setup Joel. #Keepitneerdy

[@darrenanton2898]

Yes more videos like this!!

[@stephenberrisford4064]

Any reason for not using SSD instead of spinning disc?

[@TechnicallyNerdy]

SSDs would be SUPER pricey, and spinning disks have enough reliability for this to make it last a long time!

[@dkingst5]

Storage is so much fun (it's what i do for a living) as some others have mentioned do remember that just because you have raid running and you have drive redundancy those are not a backup. While I don't always like referencing Linus for Enterprise IT practices (because he lacks there ALOT) he did do a video on TAPE backups and those if you ask my opinion as a storage admin are you best route to go. Find a family member or someone you can mail the tapes to and they can store them. That way you have a cold storage at a remote location. It sucks to retrieve that way but $$$ saved for something you might never need will be huge. Cloud storage and the like gets expensive and it's not expensive on the upload it's when you pull it back down that they get you.

[@MMuraseofSandvich]

As someone who was a tier 2 support tech for a datacenter in a previous life (it sounds cooler than it actually was), I can vouch for the resiliency of tapes. We would have HDD failures at least once a week (multiple RAID 10 arrays), we would have the CE look, "Yup, there's yer problem", and have him do the replacement. I think like 2 out of the 6 or 7 clients we managed had a fully-automated rebuild process, the rest we would need to log into the server with the storage management software, perform the rebuild manually, and babysit it until it finished. About as fun as watching paint dry while explosives were being planted nearby (let's just say, constant parallel firefighting sucked... "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always boom tomorrow."). Over my entire tenure there (about 5 years), I saw maybe 1 tape failure. Usually the robotic tape carousel/jukebox thingie in charge of shuffling tapes in and out of the single tape drive of the backup server would be an absolute nightmare to deal with (misread tape labels, jamming mechanism, nothing about that piece of garbage was reliable), but the LTO tapes themselves were practically bulletproof. We even used them to bootstrap/provision a testing server with production data (nowadays I'd imagine they would just spin up a new VM).

[@thespian117]

Hey Joel! Been a fan of your 3D printing channel for years now! I was super surprised to see you have a tech channel too. Haha. Good to see you, subscribed!

[@chrssondergaard]

I would love to see more!

[@bondjw07]

Did you ever do this build? Was excited to see this video then it ended before getting to the good stuff :(

[@3DMakers]

I agree, I to am a Data Hoarder. It may be something in IT as most that I know within the IT world tend to hold onto data and hardware, just in case that you might need it. That chassis is super cool though, do you have a rack that you are already running equipment in or is this you first rack mountable piece?

[@TheMidnightSmith]

Oh boy! A new toy!

[@davidurdahl6656]

Dangit. This coulda been a good colab with Linus... Lol

[@TechnicallyNerdy]

I WISH.

[@MikeTrieu]

Naw, he's into Storinator products these days. Completely different class of arrays. All enterprise-grade components. This array is for the rest of us mere mortals.

[@amateurwizard]

@@TechnicallyNerdy How big are the fans slots? The ones at the back look like 80mm and the ones in the middle look like 120mm.

[@zacharyseebeck2409]

Aw man. I looovve the look of those old Mac pros. They have suck a good looking deign. Also, that server looks sick! Hope it works out well for ya!

[@TechnicallyNerdy]

The old ones were best. The new trashcans are TERRIBLE.

[@zacharyseebeck2409]

Technically Nerdy incredibly. I’ve always wanted to get one of the older design cases and build a modern pc in it. Probably do a hackintosh in it. Think that would look cool.

[@garthhowe297]

I would like to see videos about how you set this all up. Large amounts of digital data really present a challenge to prevent it from going "poof" one day.

[@TechnicallyNerdy]

That's filmed and just needs some editing!

[@mdvalenz1]

@@TechnicallyNerdy Been waiting for this video of your setup process, both software and hardware if possible. Any chance you're still working on this?

[@TechnicallyNerdy]

@@mdvalenz1 Yes, still working on this. I'm so sorry it's taking too long.

[@edwardnewgate7945]

Please make a set up video of this too

[@TechnicallyNerdy]

working on it!

[@BrianJurkowski]

Super-cool case! I like that. One thing to be aware of with unRAID - you don't INSTALL it from USB. You RUN it from USB. The USB stick you use will become a permanent fixture on that server.

[@rontheadmin1765]

I love me good Storage Solutions. Raid Is great for Data redundancy if using Striping and mirroring. Couple that with unraid and you don't necessarily need expensive SAS or Sata Raid Cards. For me I personally like to build the raid with fresh Drives like the WD Red's or Ironport Sas Drives so that you don't end up killing a drive that was previously used. I am looking forward to the rest of this video. ;-)

[@wpherigo1]

Nice! More please!

[@TechnicallyNerdy]

MORE IS FILMED!!

[@NPCKiller]

Dibs I would Like to see you set it up XD

[@cathyomalley2772]

What is UnRaid and how is the data protected?

[@jasoncherry2508]

@Technically Nerdy, so how did this go for you? Do you still use this? Any hardware failures? I have been trying to quit e while to get one of these chassis and no go. The reviews for these are also pretty scary. the info for them from Norco is super outdated and they are super rare to find. Please let me know if / how this is still working for you.

[@TechnicallyNerdy]

Just seeing this. No hardware failures! It's been running like a crazy machine. I DO think the case airflow isn't designed well, as with so many drives it can get hot.

[@TylerAdler]

Now turn the Drobo into a Plex storage

[@builderbb8767]

Looks like it's time to call Dad in for cabinetry to hold that monster

[@TechnicallyNerdy]

HUGE! I know, right?

[@paomakes]

Wtf Joel?! Love this❤️😜🙏

[@TechnicallyNerdy]

Right? It should be awesome!

[@ttone2330]

I have to give him a thumbs up for that sweater!!!

[@jimmysirlonewolflauritsen1831]

I wanna learn how to setup one of my own :O)

[@DouglasHendriksen]

Joel, how did I not know about this channel?! I love 3DPrintingNerd, but this channel is more my style.

[@ItsWaltieTime]

I think you could pull off elbow patches with class.

[@thehandyoutdoornerd3860]

I use Unraid for my media server. It has always been a great way to keep my data at my fingertips. You’ll enjoy it!

[@TechnicallyNerdy]

Sweet!

[@noahbosman]

More on this please

[@TechnicallyNerdy]

In progress!

[@rdsii64]

You promised us an update. What happened to it?

[@sto2779]

yes, we would like to see more details about custom made storage / nas builds... lmfaoo he called the mac pro a cheese grater

[@__Paul__]

If you are going to go to that much trouble, and that type of chassis, you DEFINITELY should get a SAS controller, and run a TRUE, full-on RAID system! Drives are so much larger than just a few years ago, and are dirt cheap. A real, kick-ass setup would be to set up 10 drives in RAID-10, + 2 cold spares, then when you get the chance, duplicate the same in the other 12 bays, resulting in TWO identical arrays. Now, you will not only have a super high-performance system, should any of the drives go out on the primary array, you will have a cold spare that can be quickly brought online to replace the slacker drive that decided to quit. In such a setup, you would have to have FOUR of those drives quit on you before getting worried about any data loss! Plus, even if that were to happen, you have the LIVE secondary array that you could run a nightly backup script automatically. A true belt and suspenders approach, also with screaming performance that will make you giggle.

[@SornDP]

Good luck Joel, unraid is awesome. Be aware that unraid is not installed from the usb, it actually runs of it so it has to stay plugged in. In my box I got a thing that connects to a usb header on the motherboard and creates a usb port inside the chassis to keep me from accidentally unplugging it.

[@TechnicallyNerdy]

Oooh, good to know!

[@williamhawkins3651]

I want to see the rest

[@kmanley57]

Well with all the content you create you better start saving up for the rack to put the second one in next year! 8^)

[@VincentGroenewold]

Awesome! But do be aware it’s not a great backup solution, if the unit fails... I have a smaller raid system but also back that one up.

[@TechnicallyNerdy]

Right - I need to backup my backup!

[@VincentGroenewold]

Technically Nerdy yes seriously! :) That second backup I keep in an off-site location.

[@Edmund_Mallory_Hardgrove]

So he never a follow-up on this? I would like to see how you can turn one of these into a media storage device to run Plex on, store movies, videos, music, and other media on.

[@LogicalWaste]

I use a rather small WD 4bay NAS. 12tb at the moment. I'll be keeping an eye on how this works for you as I may end up building a solution to replace it, rather than buy a more expensive NAS unit. Sadly I don't have room for a rack.

[@TechnicallyNerdy]

I also don't have room for a rack, but this case was cool, and I can always find a place for it. hopefully :)

[@lcdmonitor1981]

Definitely would like to see more, I have a buddy who’s a wedding and commercial videographer whom also self identifies as a hoarder so I’m helping him out move beyond stacks of WD blacks in the closet. Looked at systems from 45 drives as well as buying second hand enterprise gear (not a bad option either btw). So curious how this progresses and how the unraid setup goes, also I believe unraid just handles the drive mapping and volumes I believe you’ll also need an os and file server on there. But I might be mistaken hence why I’m curious for more, as your use case is extremely similar to the project I’m helping a friend with

[@TechnicallyNerdy]

So far unraid looks to be a great thing. I did photography for years and ALL of my digital images as well as all my footage needs a place to live.

[@lcdmonitor1981]

Technically Nerdy also having a good offsite backup solution is key man. Been harping on my videographer buddy for years about this, Been doing a lot of reasearch and chatting with the ops guys at work enterprise tape seems to be a good option it’s cost effective per TB and portable. Even the largest enterprise tapes will fit into a safe deposit box (which is a minimal cost) At least you have some piece of mind in the event of catastrophic loss or theft. My two cents thanks Joel for the BTS look definitely relevant content

[@JAYTEEAU]

Keep all the datas and SUPER timely for me. Any MOBO CPU recommendation or shall I ask Eddie. You know what. I'll ask him. Cheers, JAYTEE

[@TechnicallyNerdy]

According to Eddie, get at least an i5. beyond that, I just text him :)

[@JAYTEEAU]

@@TechnicallyNerdy Thanks Man, shall do

[@skaltura]

just bought a similar case from eu manufacturer ... and 24x12TB and AMD's EPyC 32c/64t with 256GB ram system is going in it ;)

[@Lamplighterone]

Data! you either pay a cloud or keep it yourself. It's more fun the way you're doing it. ;)

[@gudenau]

A storanator would have been cool. Double the drive bays!

[@Atvstevie1]

i run 3 FreeNAS Servers. Absolutely love them, unraid is good too, i have friends who use unraid just for its VM capabilities. 24 drivers should give you a decent amount of space. Make sure you R-Sync or raid 10 for those drive as i have experienced first hand what its like to drop a drive from a 30 tb stripe array.... it sucks. needless to say i learned my lesson. BUt yea looks like a good project. ( i now use 1 of the servers to back up the 1 on site and 1 off site freenas servers using RSync as a dump. Super easy to set up using tunneling and a VPN through ovpn. The Dump freeNAS Server is a 80 TB server receiving data from a 15 tb off site server and a 60tb on site server. and yes the Dump is just a bunch of drives striped together, but are separated by data sets so if one drive dies in the backup , only 20 tb will need to be rebuilt, which isnt too bad. and yes 10gig is a wonderful thing. Expensive as hell tho.

[@Cpgeekorg]

Please take your time in checking out the various top-tier operating systems for distribution and find one that meets your design goals (you may have already done some research off-screen, that's great, i just want to make sure that you know that there are other options out there and that you've had the ability to make that choice for yourself.). I've tried out unraid, but unraid doesn't do any of the fancier data parity scrubbing / self-healing / automatic snapshotting goodness that something like a system based on ZFS (such as FreeNAS, which is a great option and likely what i will be going with for my next NAS) can provide, there is also the possibility of various other linux based storage operating system distributions such as openmediavault, proxmox ve (although proxmox is designed as an operating system to host virtual machines, it has zfs support and one could easily set up an awesome storage server in a linux container that utilizes the underlying storage that could be incredibly versatile depending on your goals). I (and i'm sure many other) community members would be happy to help you out if you have any questions about anything. please feel free to hit me up on twitter @cpgeek if I can help. Also the good people over at /r/datahorder on reddit are great to see about this stuff as well. Also while i'm at it, in case anyone is looking for significantly less expensive high density disks for use in NAS setups, I strongly recommend WD EasyStore external hard drives. They are basically the same design as WD red drives (their nas variety designed for high up time), and the 10tb model (With a free 32gb flash drive, great for installing your OS and in the case of freenas or other usb loving storage systems, installing your OS TO) all for $169 right now on best buy www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-easystore-10tb-external-usb-3-0-hard-drive-with-32gb-easystore-usb-flash-drive-black/6290669.p?skuId=6290669 - all you need to do is shuck the disks (which is a very easy process that is chronicled on youtube by quite a few people), and it comes with a 2 year warranty which (at least in the US) is NOT voided by shucking the drives (although you must keep the (serialized) enclosure and reassemble the drive (Also easy) in order to make a warranty claim) - the usb enclosure (and in particular the sata to usb interface) is quite good as well (usb3) and is great to keep around for things like moving data off old drives and the like.

[@TechnicallyNerdy]

Wow THANKS for that link!

[@ReazerDev]

Should've gotten Linus to your Place, that would've been the best collab ever!

[@TechnicallyNerdy]

Yes it would have!

[@damascuscode]

Vegita (Abridged) mine, mine, mine, MINE!

[@ZubinB]

3:40 for actually useful content

[@brian.hanifin]

I am tempted to do something similar. I have backed many DVDs to a Plex server, that we don't have digital copies for. My father in law is moving in with us soon and I offered to add his movies to Plex for him. It occurs to me that I may need more than the single external hard drive attached to my old laptop/server. :)

[@HowIDoIt]

Data Hoarder! I delete nothing! Nothing I say! Carbonite hates me! :-) cool video Joel, awesome hardware, would love to see a follow up on the process of getting it connected and setup.

[@TechnicallyNerdy]

I sure hope to be able to provide that! :)

[@lcdmonitor1981]

Are you still using a cheese grater?

[@TechnicallyNerdy]

I hope to turn IT into an unraid archive of sorts.

[@lcdmonitor1981]

You could Also use the cheese grater as a render box, there’s a really easy cpu upgrade with second hand enterprise server cpus that gets it to respectable performance. At least you can keep editing on your main rig. Although those puget systems are pretty boss... the cheese graters were great machines and I do hope apple comes back with a similar form factor with serviceability and real pro users in mind

[@SusiBiker]

@@lcdmonitor1981 It's pretty sad, but I think Apple didn't so much as "go down the rabbit hole" of craziness, they dove down it. Stuff they produce today is all about dragging the Mighty Dollar out of their victims with 'shiny' instead of producing the awesome quality kit that made them so special. That Cheese Grater still looks dope today! Talk about a company losing its way - when the Trash Can came out, I knew I was done with them.

[@mikeycarroll4781]

Do a build video

[@TechnicallyNerdy]

DOING IT

[@JVanore]

Great Choice of hardware and bonus points for UNRAID! ;p you are officially now a member of reddit.com/r/datahoarder PLEASE show the install and progress of this!

[@HliasPontioSsS]

I want to see full buld for this:)

[@TechnicallyNerdy]

It in progress

[@robertsmccall]

This channel looks a lot like 3D Printing Nerd ;p

[@TechnicallyNerdy]

WHAT????? :)

[@JAYTEEAU]

@@TechnicallyNerdy The set certainly does 😂

[@garthhowe297]

Nah, this guy looks completely different ... lol

[@thomasmroz]

Who? :)

[@rdsii64]

A year ago and no update?

[@TechnicallyNerdy]

I’m working on it I promise!

[@rdsii64]

@@TechnicallyNerdy That's great. These can be found used for a price that I can afford, and I'm really want to know about the noise. I don't have a lot of room so what ever solution I come up with has to go in my office.

[@rdsii64]

@@TechnicallyNerdy Year and 8 months and no update?

[@jmorrison973]

One word, Synology.

[@TechnicallyNerdy]

From what I've read, this is good stuff as well. Plus, the synology 24 bay is thousands of dollars - and that's without disks. I'll be around $1k for this without disks.

[@TristynRusselo]

Love my unraid box. emby/plex, sonarr, radarr, delugevpn, VMs, NVR, DATA!!!!!!!

[@theGermanPrintingNerd]

#Highfive Joel absolute cool I need a NAS for 4 HDDs and 4 let´s say 2tb but I can´t afford one :-((

[@akurenda1985]

While the hardware is hotswappable, UNRAID is not. Just to clarify.

[@JTCgmail9]

First Like And Third Comment. Cool Stuff.

[@TechnicallyNerdy]

#goals

[@kingsidorak]

MAC?! I'm a Windows user and haven't told everyone about how much I use Windows, in the last 5 minutes Reeeeeee

[@TechnicallyNerdy]

I was Mac for editing, now I’m PC for editing, but I keep a MacBook Pro. Woo.

[@altmindo]

and thats it?

[@highflowhighflow9896]

norco seems pretty outdated , name changed to norcotec or so, other brands have parts that pretty much look like the norco, like the caddys.. they might came from one factory. its not easy find a case and specially documentations are not exist in the boxes thats a shame, its stuff you need to find out all yourself. Inter-tech seems most recent brand for servercases at least here in europe.

[@anthonyrich1592]

Mmm, dust collector. No, seriously, speaking from experience. Don't keep this thing anywhere near the floor it will suck up all the dust and carpet fibres as you walk past.

[@baz6128]

Dude patch your elbow! Or buy a new one!

[@williamsanders6092]

Your really going with spinning disks? You know that they will all fail in time. I would have thought you would be using ssd instead. 3 to 5 years on average for spinning disks and associated moving parts. Wish you luck. Data recovery is expensive.

[@TechnicallyNerdy]

Right, I mean, everything fails in time. I think spinning disks now-a-days have MTBF rates much higher than they used to. Plus, by the time these start to see failures, hopefully, larger SSDs exist :)

[@AdamsLab]

You're talking 10s of thousands of dollars to to get the capacity Joel wants with SSDs. For this sort of thing, spinning disks are fine. That's why you implement redundancy into these systems. If you really want to be pedantic, you can order the drives from separate places (or different times) so you get separate lots so the MTBF is spread out a little between the drives (I've never done this but some people swear by it). It's true that the more drives you add the more likely you are to have a failure, so with that many drives I'd set it up so that you have protection against at least two drives failing at the same time. Also, because it's more than just drives failing that you have to worry about, you need to have redundancy in both workflow and storage. At this level, with that much storage, I'd build two arrays. One for local storage and one that I'd take off-site that the local one would backup to. Or, utilize one of the many cloud storage solutions back it up (or both if you want to be really paranoid). In any case Joel is correct that, overall the MTBF is so long on drives today that, while failure is certainly an eventuality, it's not like you're going to have a failure every month. Also, SSDs can and do fail.

[@boolve]

Wasted 5 minutes of my life

[@TechnicallyNerdy]

YEAH YOU DID