Josh Pate On CFP Reaction - Was FSU Screwed? SEC Bias? (Late Kick Cut)

[@JoshPateCFB]

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[@nicholashuckeba7212]

I’m unsubscribing. Tired of the bias in this world.

[@jaywatts7837]

Is it just me or is Georgia abt to prove why Florida state isn’t top 4 😂

[@toddwallace8001]

Unfortunately fsu is not a top 4 team with the qb injury it’s bad luck but they got it right

[@nathanielsmith5976]

You have officially shown yourself a hack and a fraud. I hope that the show dies.

[@MeanJoe007]

Unsubscribing to your trash.

[@ChosenDV]

They were talking all week that a playoff with no sec team is absurd, frankly unimaginable, can’t happen. So basically they admit that no matter what sec will always have 1 or more of 4 spots.

[@Eddyboy309]

What they really mean is it’s absurd to have a national title without bama in it . Everyone just dick rides Alabama

[@205BeezyB]

Yea bc SEC is better and sells. Lol nobody wants to see a high scoring ass playoff game bc both teams suck lol sec is just better. If you want to actually compete for playoffs come to the SEC, roll tide

[@TheRealSpenco]

an undefeated SEC team should always be in over someone who goes 13-0 and hasn't played anyone and all their mid team wins were close... FSU in the SEC would lose 2 games at least. Yall mad at Bama yet Texas jumped FSU too! other than beating Bama who did they play in the end to give them the right over FSU???

[@Mannyfreshkidd66]

Yes when they have a number 1 team that losses you have to put the team that beat them in. SEC always brings the most money so why leave them out it’s not smart choice the SEC has never lost semi final play off game past merit matters

[@chrishaugh1655]

@@Eddyboy309 Bama DESERVED to be in. However, Texas did not and should have been first out with FSU in. I love how all these idiots focus on Bama who just beat the 2x defending champion that was on a fucking TWENTY NINE GAME WIN STREAK, but conveniently ignore the part where 7th ranked Texas slips in over FSU and it isn't an issue? Fuck off.

[@nomorepartiezz]

Can someone explain to me, in what other major sport on this planet is the post season chosen based off of predictive opinions on what matchups would be the best and draw the most attention, over objectively looking at proven wins and record? I understand that it’s different with all the conferences but surely theres a better and more objective way then a tiny four team playoff with completely vague and subjective criteria. And yes I understand this is changing, it’s just stupid that this had to happen and that a certain team just got fucked over due to bad timing.

[@cleveland2022]

March Madness.

[@nomorepartiezz]

@@cleveland2022 fair, but march madness is a massive bracket and conference champs are given automatic bids, vs an insanely restrictive four team system where you can apparently be an undefeated champ of a top conference and not even get a fair shot. march madness also allows for and encourages massive upsets which doesn’t as happen when your basically choosing the best four rosters every single year.

[@cleveland2022]

​​@@nomorepartiezztrue but it doesnt do FSU any favors this year. I said when they announced it was only 4 teams that it should have been 8 from the start. But Alabama deserved to get in over FSU. If anyone should be pissed its Georgia

[@zachrs43]

When a team says they have no interest in joining a more competitive conference & want the easy path to a natty or New Year's bowl game, they get what the earned. Should have joined the SEC when they had the chance instead of taking the cowards path.

[@camjo13]

ACC was the only conference that voted against having expanded playoffs this year. FSU got fucked by their own conference.

[@matthewhinds-3psch281]

It DID sort itself out though. Three undefeated power 5 conference champions. The other two 1-loss conference champions had played each other head to head. Every objective metric puts Michigan, Washington, FSU, and Texas in the playoff. Instead we had a conference room of people decide their opinion is more important than actual on-field results.

[@davidremmler9166]

Well said. It was sorted out but they made a mess of it.

[@asdfjkl2600]

The old BCS rankings would have put Bama at 3 and FSU at 4

[@rayallaire4423]

How does every fan in existence know this but a room full of “experts” get it wrong 🤯🤯🤯

[@saintofnowhere]

Not necessarily. If Bama had lost to auburn then fsu would’ve made it in. If fsu had dominated Louisville or had beat a top 5 team.

[@RD-wg9em]

@ZenOne7 guaranteeing spots for conference champs will solve this. Also allows high rated GO5 champs to get a shot on the field too. It’s a good change

[@KyleKaspszyk]

Last episode Josh pate was all in on Florida state being in and is now making arguments against the same things he said last episode. You’re not beating the fence sitter allegations Josh. you’re terrified to have a firm opinion. Fence sit after fence sit per usual. It’s a shame

[@vonkytonk9754]

I was thinking the same thing, all about FSU until the big guys say other wise

[@caramelpop9427]

He didn't do all that, he said the 4th team will most likely be FSU, but if he was picking it would be Alabama

[@Eddyboy309]

At the end of the day as long as bama is a one loss team they will always make it to the playoff . Beat Georgia by 3 and been struggling most of the season when fsu has been dominating and winning out of conference games and in conference games even won two games with a back up qb and 3rd string qb . Bama will always be put above everyone else. All these content creators are dick riding Alabama .

[@TheWorldTurntle]

@@caramelpop9427The videos are still up. You’re blatantly lying he stated that multiple times.

[@KyleKaspszyk]

@@vonkytonk9754I’ve been watching him since around Covid and he never has genuine opinions anymore. EVERYTHING he says is fence sitting. This FSU example is practically mocking his viewers

[@BillB_UNC]

JP is just wrong to compare FSU being left out to Alabama being left out as both “being screwed.” Bama LOST a game. FSU didn’t. FSU got screwed. Bama being left out would have just been unlucky but they wouldn’t have been “screwed.”

[@herrtrigger7220]

bama wouldn't have been unlucky if left out, that's just logical. nothing on paper puts bama in.

[@Jacob-ec6st]

@@herrtrigger7220 Except playing a much tougher schedule, having much better wins and being a much better team

[@brandonjackson5907]

Why are I acting like fsu played the level of competition like bama did💀

[@johnjohnson3830]

This 100% is a case of the “helmet logo tie breaker” if Bama was named Miss St or Florida FSU gets in

[@NWstockoperator]

​@@Jacob-ec6stbut Alabama was a loser to another team

[@TheJaycee29]

This is why I like the FCS Playoffs.. No committees, No politics, it's Win or go home. Everything is done on the field LAST team standing. It's all about Ratings and Sponsorship Money. I don't knock anyone for how they feel, I just like the FCS Tournament better💯✌️😉

[@larrylane7822]

The FCS has a committee which decides the at large teams, I believe every NCAA sport has a comittee

[@NealBrownnBeers]

Borderline daily reminder that TCU beat Michigan last year in the playoff.

[@Mike-sp7zv]

EXACTLY!!! If TCU DIDN'T BELONG THAN THE UNDEFEATED B10 CHAMPION DIDN'T EITHER. Keep reminding people

[@justiny328]

@@Mike-sp7zv yep! And further proof that the SEC is too dominant to leave out.

[@Wes1128]

65-7 buddy. Idc if Michigan won or lost to TCU. They would have put up more than 7 freaking points in the natty. Let’s stop lying to ourselves. TCU losing that game is a huge part of why FSU was left out this year

[@TheGtrot4]

@@Wes1128but they lost. So doesn’t matter lol. They play for a reason. TCU didn’t show up and were outmatched but that score would never happen again.

[@idonthaveone7576]

@@TheGtrot4if they turned around and played Georgia the next week the score would have likely been even worse. TCU DIDNT belong there, needed michigans worst game in a decade to scrape by

[@georgeshreadiii8537]

The one thing I haven't heard anyone mention is that the FSU backup would have a month to practice before playoff.

[@chriswincek8672]

Still wouldn't have mattered. Their offense wasn't impressive against Florida. They just played a shit schedule.

[@chadsamples6178]

Hardly the same as a proven QB who's played the whole season. That's the problem, it isn't that he isn't good. For all we know he might be greatest QB in history but right now no one knows and they have to factor an unknown on the most important position on the field as part of the equation. Its also not helped by not having the rest of the team having absolutely dominated all their opponents. For example as good as people claim their defense is it isn't like they were keeping every team they played to single digits. Its not like they are sitting on a couple 1k/yard running backs who this QB can just hand it off to and know they are going to pickup that 3rd and 8. The o-line isn't shutting down the rush with 24 sacks on the season. Now they aren't horrible in any of those areas either but none of them are dominate enough to help overlook the QB issue. This team needs its best QB behind center and right now he has to watch from the sidelines. What's sad is that's its a no one's fault situation it just is what it is.

[@timothys3119]

@@chadsamples6178Ohio State beat Bama just a few years ago in the NC game with their 3rd string QB. What’s the difference with FSU not getting in because of that?

[@chadsamples6178]

@@timothys3119yes it happens, and we all remember it because its very unusual. The exception does not make the rule. When such a situation does occur one of two things has to happen. Either some other portion of the team (defense, running backs, etc...) step up and goes absolute beast mode. Or the backup QB steps in and makes it look like there was little or no drop off. They played the last 2 games with backups which of those two situations occurred in either more or less both of those games? Again they are a really good team but they aren't great even with their star. Without him they are simply a good team.

[@Llllhjhcr]

54 passing yards against louisville and they literally dropped six ints

[@ihatechaucer4413]

They should award Jordan Travis the Heisman for this. If his injury alone is enough to screw FSU like this, then he’s obviously the best player in college football.

[@joshfolsom1785]

Yeah just ignore the other quarterbacks with a complete resume because his team got snubbed. That would be as much bull as FSU getting left out. Edit: I should rephrase that, people would be just as upset about it as they are over FSU getting left out.

[@tomhorvath6137]

Brilliant!

[@rockytoptom]

100 freakin percent my friend. If they're gonna have their cake, then they need to eat it too

[@ImChazo]

Definitely not how that works

[@rockytoptom]

@@ImChazo Logically, it is

[@drwinstonOboogi]

I never want to hear "expanding the playoffs will make the regular season meaningless" The regular season couldn't get any more meaningless than it is right now.

[@timo7913]

12 team playoff will not help a corrupt system focused on money alone. Integrity has left the game. I am a lifelong Georgia fan and disgusted FSU was left out.

[@themrwoody1434]

8 team playoff was absolutely needed this season. 12 is going to be too many, but 8 team would have been awesome this year.

[@nickamalfitano3613]

And it wouldve made rivalry weekend and several weeks of the regular season meaningless. Is that what you want?

[@shanewoods1980]

@@nickamalfitano3613I’ve been saying that exact same thing

[@ScrimpBoat]

@@nickamalfitano3613How? If you’re in the top 12 then every game is a playoff game towards the end of the season.. I’ve never seen people so upset that they’re getting more football..

[@buckshot6481]

This was always going to happen with Five conferences and four spots. It should've been six from the start, conference Champs plus highest ranked mid major. Now with 12 they're turning it into basketball 🏀

[@mynumberoneguy]

8 would be the perfect number of teams

[@dannycoker4404]

In my opinion, with FSU going 13-0 is hurtful to the program recruiting in general goes how can you sit there and state that if you win your games become the conference champ that you’re not playoff eligible what student in their right mind would want to play for a team no matter how they play on the field gets left out they would not want to go to that program because the bowl game for FSU it’s just a losers cup because how many of those players are going to opt out on that game that means nothing and what does that do for the first day as a 13 -1 and the playoff committee needs to be a complete neutral entity that does not have ESPN or SEC biased attached to it

[@UTBaller22]

In current system, it definitely hurts recruiting. Playoff goes to 12 teams next year, so that will not be an issue. Also, FSU was very close to pulling the plug and leaving the ACC this year. They had a board meeting about it a few days prior to the deadline to announce you are leaving a conference back in August. FSU will be in a new conference by 2025 I believe.

[@KJ_2121]

And This is one of the key factors as to why Alabama has ran cfb for the last decade. No matter what cfb places them as main priority 1 loss 2 loss don’t matter they’ll always push for Alabama. And therefore it’s gonna be the same schools running the table with the best recruits (Bama, Georgia) further leaving the competition one sided

[@edgeprobability]

because we're entering a new regime. 12 teams leaves much less up for debate. I was a fan of 16 teams, but 12 is infinitely better.

[@KJ_2121]

@mazda787b2 never said that at all .. if it was earned it was earned that’s what sports is about… but just think if the shoe was on the other foot and Bama QB got hurt and they played their final 2-3 games with a 3rd string QB… you think their gonna keep Bama out the playoffs if they win out like FSU did ?? Like really think about that… cause I could almost guarantee the committee would do everything in their power to make sure bama is in playoffs.

[@Jon_FM]

I am so glad the 4 team playoff is going away.

[@timo7913]

It won’t matter. We learned the system is corrupt … focused on money and ratings alone. Integrity has left the game. Arguments will just be different … pairings … etc.

[@brettk9316]

Yeah undefeated conf champs won't be left out EVER again!

[@Legendary_UA]

No, you'll bitch your #13 team didn't get in.

[@MontanaNole]

People keep saying, “oh well they wouldn’t win against this team”. Well, who’s to say they wouldn’t, they’ve literally beat every team in front of them.

[@quinnwright2516]

Yup Washington beat Oregon even though people gave them little chance of winning. That is why we play the games. Ultimately I think both you and bama deserved to be in, but if you must only take one, I would go with the undefeated team. An undefeated P5 team with a good OOC schedule (which FSU had) should get the benefit of the doubt. A 4 team playoff does not work. I feel terrible, I could not imagine if my team got screwed like this.

[@tufoinproductions]

It's the same thing people said about TCU vs Michigan. There's a reason why they play

[@New_Orleans_Ghost_Hunter]

Let’s be real here man they aren’t beating anyone in the playoffs with a 3rd stringer wake up and smell the goddamn roses

[@tufoinproductions]

@@New_Orleans_Ghost_Hunter he isn't starting anyway. It's gonna be Tate

[@IHatePoors93]

Remember this when they play UGA.

[@KittysCat-j7x]

I’m only disappointed that this scenario played out in the 10th year instead of the first or second year. If it had, we would have gotten a 12-team playoff much sooner.

[@thethinkingmansgame5050]

Why is no one mad texas got in..they didn't beat the former national champs.. they were just handed the spot that fsu should have got

[@KittysCat-j7x]

@@thethinkingmansgame5050 This decision was all about protecting the SEC. The committee gambled that the backlash from FSU would pale in comparison to the backlash from SEC country. Basically they were cowards. If this was about sporting integrity, we would have gotten Mich, Wash, Texas and FSU

[@FBI-wn2qo]

​@@thethinkingmansgame5050Because Texas has a direct road win over Alabama

[@josephbennett728]

If it wouldn’t be for the powers at be in ACC we would already have a 12 team playoff

[@RD-wg9em]

Yup, it’ unfortunate timing. This is a season built for that playoff structute

[@TV-fv1ih]

The committee shouldn't have made Florida St. #4 three days ago if they weren't #4. You simply have to look at a map to figure out what the committee was going to do. Three teams in the same area meant only one had to get in to get that area to watch the playoff. If you take Texas you have to take Alabama, If you take Alabama you have to take Texas, although they conveniently forgot about the past excuses about early losses vs late! The worst thing is the committee doubling down by having Georgia now play FSU in the Orange bowl. The logic that if Georgia wins, which they will be the favorite, it validates leaving FSU out of the final four. Has #5 and #6 ever had to play? Georgia is being used as a blunt object to whack FSU. On top of that OSU #7 is playing Missouri #9. Yet somehow Oregon #8, another popular contestant, who was supposed to beat Washington, is now paired with Liberty #23? A team all the way in Virginia now having to play in the Fiesta Bowl in Arizona. Talk about stacking the odds!

[@gordonschiff3621]

Interesting argument. They are also giving them a chance to prove they deserved it with a huge chip on their shoulder. If they win, the committee 100% got it wrong. Washington is getting road game in New Orleans. Washington is good enough to beat Texas vs a hostile crowd. They did it last year.

[@JKMYST]

yeah except I've been a georgia fan for 20+ years and they don't get up for games like this and they aren't going to give a fuck about the orange bowl when they wanted to win 3 in a row. So that's going to backfire on them

[@dakotagodfrey2357]

Bowl games outside of the cfp doesn’t show anything because both teams have players sit out. Key players

[@ericchristian1416]

The argument is slightly flawed because the committee wanted to leave Texas out but couldn’t justify it since they had the h2h over Bama. Had Georgia won, it would’ve been UGA, Michigan, Washington, FSU. But by Bama beating the #1 team in country, the committee couldn’t leave them out and by default had to put Texas in as well. That’s why FSU was #4 last week because everyone expected UGA to win.

[@michaelbradley7621]

Go beat Georgia and prove the committee wrong, oh wait this is going to be last years national championship

[@erikcarlson1674]

If you as a committee are going to change the rules of the game then that needs to be told in the pre season. Just let the teams play and this isn’t an issue. The committee has always been a joke they just never needed to chose a side. It is clear college football has changed for the worse.

[@eves08109]

It sure has and consider this. On New Year's Day There is only going to be one game televised on regular TV. Both Semi final games are on New Year's Day covered by ESPN. To make matters worse, the National Championship is also going to be televised by ESPN. For them to not playing the biggest college football game on regular TV such as ABC is an absolute disgrace.

[@Mannyfreshkidd66]

No it doesn’t becasue they get to judge what they think nothing changed one team beat the number one team. FSU skates by you can’t put them in they aren’t one of the 4 best teams they got lucky to keep the 5 spot based on record like dude they’d lose to Penn st right now

[@daydaybrown741]

They did pick the four most capable teams. I won't complain FSU is cold and deserves respect but this year only four teams got in and they picked the right ones

[@lamar310]

The playoffs rules clearly state...injuries are part of the selection process. All the people whining for Florida St want to ignore the rules and that didn't happen. Florida St with a backup QB isn't one of the 4 best teams...they had 55 yards passing Saturday. The committee got it right

[@guineapigclips5205]

​@@lamar310so you think that if fsu had said that travis would be healthy for the semi they would have made it?

[@MarkRevelle-p8q]

You are a clear thinker....so comprehensive and honest, true. Really truly brilliant commentary. I'm 67 a life long OU supporter....man I enjoyed listening to your wisdom......

[@Jokero0o0]

Regardless of the selection, feel for the players. They played their asses off and found a way to win through adversity. The guys that forewent the draft to come back for this season put in all the work and didn't get selected. They will never have another shot. Thanks to those guys, my favorite Nole team ever.

[@DKing-3358]

Come on dude - committee did exactly what ESPN and Disney told them to do. The best teams is the narrative Kirk H. College football is doomed never to be the same.

[@Skullslasher6]

He doesn't care. He's owned by then too. That's the problem. Florida State isn't part of the MSM cfb darlings.

[@blaynebittencourt5076]

No Alabama would bend Florida state over. THEY HAVE NO QB. Who would you rather play , FSU or BAMA !? Everyone would choose FSU because it's the easier game. ITS EASY.

[@charlieisc9913]

@@blaynebittencourt5076Georgia is about to show them why FSU didn’t get in once they play. And it’s going to be crickets from all the people who are so loud about FSU should of gotten in 😂

[@charlieisc9913]

@@blaynebittencourt5076I also believe if it was any other team with Bama’s same resume, they went out and beat Georgia. There wouldn’t be that much of a fuss about it, I think a lot of this has to do with how much people can’t stand seeing Bama in that top 4 😂🤷🏼‍♂️

[@MikeHawkbaby]

@@blaynebittencourt5076Didn’t Alabama just have to come up with a last second miracle to barely hang on and beat a terrible auburn team? Not even a fsu fan but y’all are delusional 😂

[@johncmoore416]

If wins and losses don't matter at the end, what is the purpose of keeping score? Want to be in, win more. Don't lose. Sucks to suck.

[@derekh9003]

Extremely dark day for CFB. Opinions over results should never happen.

[@bettersounds1926]

youll get over it

[@coolasfire111]

If bama played a dogshit ACC team instead of #3 Texas they’d be undefeated too and still have e a substantially higher SOS than FSU. Results do matter, that’s why FSU is home. Imagine a team whose worse loss is #3 with the #3 SOS and having just beat the #1 back-2-back national champions not getting in as a “top 4 team”. Everything makes bama the obvious choice other than, “they played one much harder game than FSU did and lost it very early in the season”.

[@rhetthayes5981]

​@@bettersounds1926lmao alot won't it's looking worse than the NFL between the cheating scandals and teams getting screwed

[@rhetthayes5981]

​@@coolasfire111bama wouldn't have beaten a top 15 team with a backup QB they could barely beat USF with backup QBs, also your saying Travis gets the Heisman if he's such a big impact he makes FSU a championship calibre team out of a bad one?

[@bettersounds1926]

@@rhetthayes5981 bama benched milroe the entite game versus USF

[@jon5965]

The whole “it’s not a legitimate playoff without the sec” idea is absurd when their champ got beat by 10 at home by Texas.

[@justusbryant7366]

Let's see what happens this time

[@justusbryant7366]

Hater

[@lukephillips770]

Without the SEC, there is no playoffs

[@jonathonwilliamson9879]

That match won’t burn twice. Bama looks forward to playing Texas in the Natty because they do have something to forcefully prove

[@jonpaulbruner7983]

Nick is undefeated in payback rematches and that terrifies Texas fans.

[@wyattjones7979]

And if fsu beats Georgia, they can claim a national championship and I’ll agree with them. Until then I don’t feel bad

[@cameronlewis6870]

That’s a BIG “if.” Georgia will show the nation why FSU didn’t belong in CFP.

[@daquandavis3841]

Same. I hope both teams have no key opt outs.

[@wyattjones7979]

@@cameronlewis6870 hence why I said I’d give them a claimed national championship

[@randalcquebedeaux314]

@@cameronlewis6870 and actually proves nothing except Georgia beat FSU. If you are picking teams you do not pick what if. Best is tossed around, no one is best until you actually play a game versus that team or teams!! Prognosticating is for Vegas and gamblers!!

[@cameronlewis6870]

@@randalcquebedeaux314keep your hair on.

[@tufoinproductions]

It feels wrong, it is wrong and the committee who already had low credibility just lost it all. No consistency, no credibility, straight bias. And the worst part, I'm not even sure FSU makes it if Travis isn't hurt

[@19761999]

The committee made the right decision. Florida State is not one of the four best teams in the country.

[@DuckFanDane]

@@19761999 that has never mattered in the past but apparently now that it’s at the cost of SEC then we need to all of a sudden go to the four best. There’s been plenty of teams that have not been the four best, but they were the most deserving. quite frankly, if they’re gonna do it why don’t they do it put Georgia in over Michigan Georgia is a better team. Michigan has the 51st strength of schedule.

[@Win4Cheesily]

@@DuckFanDane Was Cincinatti one of the four best when they let them in? No. But they deserved it and they got their chance.

[@blaynebittencourt5076]

Who would you rather play , FSU or BAMA !? Everyone would choose FSU because it's the easier game.

[@blaynebittencourt5076]

​@@Win4Cheesilyevery playoff has been a blowout. If FSU made it there would've been another blowout. The committee learned their lesson.

[@B3FMandCProductions]

When Paul Finebaum went on ESPN and lauded Alabama's tough SEC schedule (which included a win over #13 LSU), but then criticized FSU's for "only beating the 5th best SEC team", I knew the Seminoles were screwed. I agree with you in that I don't think it was rigged in the traditional sense, but seeing guys like Finebaum, Herbstreit, and Orlovsky twist themselves into knots to argue for Bama over FSU shows that ESPN/Disney at least tried to put their finger on the scale. I don't know if it happened, but I'd be surprised if their largely pro-Bama commentary (with a few dissenters like RGIII) didn't have an effect. The ACC may be an ESPN-aligned conference, but it's no secret that ESPN values their SEC connection above all because it is their biggest college money maker. The conspiracy theorist in me thinks that part of the reason is because they wanted to further prod FSU (and their buddies in Clemson, Chapel Hill, Charlottesville, and Coral Gables) out of the ACC, but obviously I can't prove that. Regardless, I feel bad for FSU because I truly believe they were the more deserving team. Travis's tweet about wishing he had broken his leg sooner was sad as hell and unfortunately perfectly encapsulated the issues with the committee's decision-making process. Thank goodness we're going to 12 teams next year.

[@afowler205]

Could have gone to 12 this year if the ACC commissioner had voted with the SEC and Big 12 this year instead of next year...only ffitting that one of those 3 conference teams gets left out.

[@legoboy3800]

Just an opinion. Here is another. FSU had the 91st rated schedule. Their best win was against the third best team in a division, not conference, just division. If you give Ole Miss the schedule FSU had, undefeated. Give it to Iowa, undefeated. They would be double digit dogs right now to not only the 4 playoff teams, but also Oregon, Georgia and Ohio State. They are not only not one of the 4 best teams in the country, they are not even one of the best 8 (maybe 10, I believe they lose to Iowa, Ole Miss, Oklahoma, probably even Clemson in a rematch). Look at the line on the Orange bowl. Georgia is favored by 13.5. That's ridiculous. Vegas doesn't do conspiracies or favorites. They put money on it. People put money on it, they leave bias at home. The committee got it right, to a point. They could have put Ohio State or Georgia in and they would still have it right. There are compelling matchups all over the top 7. There are no compelling matchups with Florida St. Look at the line already.

[@kevinc3751]

@@legoboy3800says a fan of a team that actually lost.😂

[@chriskelly9398]

Im not a fan of finebum but you are leaving out an important detail when comparing LSU's loss to bama vs LSU's loss to fsu... bama beat ole miss, tennessee, and beat Kentucky 49-21 after Kentucky beat Louisville. FSU only beat Louisville 16-6... yall say field results matter but proceed to ignore schedule strength, amount of dominating victories, as well as comparing how much teams beat the same teams per comparison... LSU was just another feather in bama's cap and LSU was FSU's biggest win. Thats the difference. Bama's biggest win was GEORGIA homie

[@trippytree3889]

like FSU built this reputation on their Electric offense this season, And AS SOON as that QB was hurt, That offense looked anything but Electric. I don't know why everyone argues FSU is still a top 4 team with out him. FSU scored 3 points in a whole half (16 in the game)against a LOUIVILLE team that gave up 38 to KENTUCKY. Is Kentucky a top 8 team all of a sudden? I get that FSU fans are upset its a shitty way for a season to end but lets not be delusional and pretend that Florida state with a back up would hold a candle to a fully healthy Michigan, Washington, Texas, Alabama or even Ohio State, Oregon, and Georgia. On the field results do matter and for the last three games it was CLEAR that FSU was not the same electrifying team. @@legoboy3800 🤷

[@PercyLove850]

It did sort itself out Josh. You have 3 undefeated P5 teams and 2 1 loss conf Champs where one beat the other earlier in the season.

[@JCTiggs1]

I'm not a fan of either team but this just feels very wrong. And the FSU backup QB would be ready by Jan 1. Bama jumping ahead of FSU is basically saying. .. 1. Needing a lucky giveaway and hail Mary pass to barely escape an unranked Auburn team is a quality win, not a lucky miracle win when you were favored to win by double digits 2. Losing once AT HOME in your SEC season is better than going undefeated in ACC, 3. Losing at HOME by double digits is ok, as long as it's to a one loss team who we squeezed into the final four, 4. If your starting QB gets injured, don't even bother playing the rest of your schedule, you're not getting into the CFP even if you finish undefeated 13-0..

[@robmontbriand]

Yea but if Milroe got hurt at the end of the game we wouldn’t have gotten in

[@charoddr92]

Don't know why everyone is only mad at Bama? Texas jumped FSU as well. Georgia lost when FSU needed them to win. Bama had no say in what the committee chose. All Bama did was win their games, so I don't understand the hate solely on Bama when everything around them was out of their control...

[@LordGreystoke-h5t]

Given the choice this year, America would rather see Bama.

[@Fish_Pig]

To your #1 point: fsu vs duke, fsu vs clemson, fsu vs boston college. Don't complain about a miracle when you needed 3 yourself this season. You are gonna need a big miracle to hope to beat georgia.

[@DaVinkiee]

@@Fish_Pig what miracle happened in the Boston college game besides the defense finally stopping them at the end of the game? You don't call a missed kick with over a minute 30 and 3 times out left a miracle. And you certainly don't call holding a currently ranked top 20 team to 0 points in the whole second half a miracle. What is miracle is a muffed punt return and terrible coverage in the end zone to score a TD. Lastly, what you call bad defense is Alabama who somehow can't prevent a team from out scoring them double digits at home. Getting disrespected like that at home couldn't have been anyone inside the top 10 but Bama.

[@bamafaninar9292]

They should have made it an eight team playoff from the get-go. Having five power-five conferences with only four playoff spots was a recipe for disaster and it finally caught up with them.

[@tmc1404]

there's 68 NCAA basketball bids and they still argue every March about rankings. disasters are only avoided when a consistent criteria is followed

[@rockytoptom]

@@tmc1404 Comparing collegiate aged professional basketball to collegiate aged professional football is moronic. They're completely different sports within massively different contexts.

[@rockytoptom]

No playoffs period. The top 10 teams should play in 5 bowl games and there shouldn't be any more bowls than that. The national champ should be named after bowl season like in the old days. If there's a pair of undefeated teams left, who had the most ranked wins. It's incredibly simple

[@tmc1404]

@rockytoptom the comparison is apt when the argument is made that increasing playoff size eliminates selection issues. also its the same institutions with the same amateur athlete pool, all with TV & revenue concerns. what better comparison could be made in sports?

[@rockytoptom]

@@tmc1404 Valid answer. You're correct I suppose, given that this was specifically phrased within the scope of expanding the playoff to fix the problem. I retract my moronic comment. Of course, if we aren't discussing this within that one specific context, expansion fixing it, then it would be moronic. My bad. You probably don't hear that much online hahahah

[@bretbranson7780]

Your argument against the Committee being rigged was "It can't be rigged cuz I agree with them!" Thats maybe the worst argument I've ever heard from you... Enjoy the show tho, thanks for being here the whole season!

[@exren9830]

I can't agree with leaving FSU out. If it's just an eye test, were they not looking a week earlier when Bama needed a miracle to beat a 6-win Auburn? If it's by record, FSU has a better SOR. Backups have won championships in the CFP era already, it just overwhelmingly feels like the Committee couldn't exclude the SEC and used the Jordan Travis situation as an excuse to do so. And I say this as an SEC fan

[@Fr0yoHD]

FSU needed a miracle to beat every team though lmfao

[@jimland7176]

@@Fr0yoHD That just isn't true. They struggled against BC which isn't good. @Clemson was rough, but Clemson is still a very talented team and it was @Clemson. After that most of their games where over by halftime, and one of them was against my team.

[@furiouslyscoped8185]

They 100% percent struggled against Louisville. It was 3-0 at the half. Louisville was also a team who was smacked around by an unranked Kentucky.

[@justusbryant7366]

But they won so what? And it was amazing

[@jonathancastellon8180]

@@justusbryant7366they barely won thanks to qb play

[@GAMarine137]

I agree with being "rigged" because CFP completely ignored Bama's "eye test" when they needed a miracle to beat unranked Auburn. Same team that lost to New Mexico. CFP ignored Bama's Auburn game while judging the Cards game though FSU won by 10. I am so disappointed in CF that my enthusiasm for the sport plummeted big time. CFP ranked OSU high because of "resume". Then moved others up because of "eye test". It's all a big f'ing joke.

[@cleveland2022]

Stop whining. That game between Alabama and Auburn is almost always close Thats why they are rivalry games. Just stop about Ohio St. They canceled the game at Washington this year because they are a bunch of cowards. They chose not to get a resume builder instead they added Youngstown St 😂😂😂😂 The Little 10 is a JV conference

[@Eddyboy309]

At the end of the day as long as bama is a one loss team they will always make it to the playoff . Beat Georgia by 3 and been struggling most of the season when fsu has been dominating and winning out of conference games and in conference games even won two games with a back up qb and 3rd string qb . Bama will always be put above everyone else

[@Texan190]

tu also struggled to put away several teams all year.

[@yourfavoritelawnguy2722]

@@Eddyboy309 55th in strength of schedule. Bama was 5th..

[@courtneesdad]

@@cleveland2022you forgot to mention Bama struggled against a 4-8 garbage Arkansas team. And almost lost to a high school team.

[@esmirhernandez6497]

All of these “analyst” said that if FSU goes undefeated they are in no matter what happens with the other teams and now they are saying the committee made the right decision? Come on, we all know this is for money.

[@Scooterwithaplan]

Didn’t the ACC vote against going to a 12 team playoff this season?

[@TheBenedictchan1]

Yep and it screwed them in the end.

[@LMN22]

😂😂😂😂

[@jimmyjam5453]

​@@TheBenedictchan1how did it screw them??????

[@haydenkmett9502]

​@@jimmyjam5453bc they would've gotten in had it got voted in

[@RonPerkins1019]

@Scooterwithaplan THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT! So sick of these non SEC schools bitching about being left out of the Playoffs every year. They play weak non conference games and weak conference games.

[@suns627]

The fact that both FSU and Bama beat top 15 teams this week and Bama went up 4 while FSU drops 1 is unreal. I'm glad the CFP is getting a major revamp next season, because this corruption isn't going to fly next season. 13-0 3rd SOR Conf Champion. 12-1 5th SOR Conf Champion. Who gets in? I think its pretty obvious. Sadly, this year the Committee didn't use their guidelines and instead just used their own bias (which is just directed towards the most possible revenue.) No way one injury should knock out FSU when they are still beating SEC and top 15 teams by 10+ points while Bama is needed prayers against Auburn. Shame on the Committee

[@BIGatorEJ]

Georgia is slightly a better win than Louisville….

[@shipleyzimlich8032]

Not sure you can compare Louisville to Georgia lol

[@khalilbutler1713]

Alabama has a better resume and all Bamas ranked wins, are still ranked. I agree FSU got screwed but it's not SEC bias, not this time.

[@bobbydyne]

You’re talking like Georgia was No 14 lmao If you have to be disingenuous in your speech, you lost the argument

[@jonathanfitzsimons786]

Bama has a lose

[@miketemple7686]

After watching the reaction of the Michigan room learning they’d be playing Alabama; I have to say they were just as shocked as anyone to find out FSU wouldn’t be going. This is a warning to all college teams. It doesn’t matter what your record is, it only matters who your players are.

[@johnwatsoniv384]

What the conference patch on your jersey says, more like. Had it been any other 12-1 conference champion who lost early to Texas instead, FSU would be #4 right now to give a 13-0 Georgia/Alabama the easiest semifinal possible.

[@tmat9120]

I wish that they would talk more about the real “elephant” in the room and that is you have a #1 seed that had their head coach suspended for half the season. They tried to file a lawsuit against their conference and dropped it. If Michigan wins it all, we might be looking at another USC like season and it will be an * or blank spot for the champion.

[@SmashTheNumbers]

Makes the team that much more resilient. They beat 3 top 17 teams all under this controversy in the last 4 weeks. Michigan v Alabama in the Rose Bowl will be an amazing matchup.

[@beersmoker4444]

Michigan this year is like Notre Dame of the past in that they rode cupcake schedule and will get crushed by a real team.

[@SmashTheNumbers]

@@beersmoker4444 Michigan had a cupcake schedule until November. Since then, they have had perhaps the hardest schedule. They played the 4 best teams in the B1G as their last 4 games…

[@brentj.peterson6070]

Ohio fan😂😂😂😂😂 waaaaaaahhhhhhh

[@KONGDADDY69]

​@@brentj.peterson6070agreed, they're still butthurt lol

[@Dez-E]

Never had a situation like this? They created this abomination of a 4 team invitational in response to this happening over and over. WTF are you talking about? The playoff is supposed to solve this problem. We are supposed to have an objective measure of how you get into a playoff, and win a championship. Every single team should have a clear path for how they do that.

[@quinnwright2516]

The playoff must be at least 8 teams.

[@ryandunbar8174]

He made it very clear he was talking about the four team playoff era if you were listening

[@tmc1404]

The 4 team playoff was specifically made bc of Auburn in 2004 getting left out as an undefeated power 5 conference champ. This 4 team playoff was designed to ensure this wouldn't happen again (but it did anyway)

[@RobertSzymanski-u5f]

Perhaps the most "real" take on this so far. Kudos Josh

[@GPrice-mg8mi]

If Bama or UGA won their conference championship with a 3rd string QB it would be treated as a Cinderella story and celebrated. FSU gets punished

[@bobbydyne]

Did you watch the ACC championship? FSUs offense had to relearn what a forward pass was

[@LifesGood-nu6rd]

Exactly!!! They would've been saying look how awesome they are, with a backup

[@donovanjohnson3947]

@@bobbydyne Of course their offense struggled. They had to unexpectedly put a 3rd string QB in the game after their 2nd QB got a concussion. A third string inexperienced freshman QB that was not prepared for the game. But despite all that, they still won.

[@mattperry5789]

@@bobbydyne Wouldn’t be the same QB in the playoff. Tate would be cleared by then

[@LaLoLeigh]

That's only for Bama. They sneak their way in every year. Georgia, who went 29 games straight without a loss, loses by 3 and is dropped to 6. Makes no sense. FSU should have been in and so should have Georgia.

[@DawgPE]

The committee gave the finger to college sports fans not associated with the SEC.

[@rhetthayes5981]

​@@cleveland2022who's the other only conference that's had natty teams?

[@rhetthayes5981]

​@@cleveland2022big 10 has ONE acc has 3 and one just didn't 10:37 't even get their shot this year

[@SpankMapleton19]

you were wrong about the 12 team playoff being a bad thing

[@TheCollectorCave]

The whole thing is a joke. The bias is beyond ridiculous. I'm all but done with how college football is run.

[@StayViben]

I won’t be watching this year. I think we all just witnessed the last of the integrity of college football today

[@Patrick.J.Norman]

😂

[@dr.markevers8331]

Next year it will be better…unless you are 11,12,13…

[@GAMarine137]

Agree. I would also add portal, NIL and coaching carousel to the further decline of the sport into WWE territory

[@villatoro1]

😂😂😂😂

[@Slammedjambread]

He switched up on his take before the weekend so fast lol

[@LMN22]

That's called getting more information lol

[@PixelMstr]

@@LMN22thats not getting more information we already knew all the possible results and he gave his opinion on those scenarios and went back on it

[@chrishaugh1655]

@@PixelMstr yeah you're not allowed to change your opinion ever! Get over it anorexic boy.

[@FBI-wn2qo]

Yeah, now i just feel like he's another hack fraud.

[@bendominguez32]

He is a hack. See that now

[@lintlickerben]

The thing is, there's two way to rank the CFP: most deserving, and best. This year, they did a mix of both, which is just the worst way to do it. You have to stick to one process. Michigan and Washington made it because they were most deserving. Alabama made it because they were a top 4 best team. Texas is a mixup between the two methods. The issue? Georgia and Ohio State are possibly top 4 best teams, and FSU is a top 4 most deserving team. You can't pick and choose which teams you want by switching your ranking method. Either it's the top 4 best teams (Alabama, Georgia, Michigan, Ohio State) which no one wants to see, or the top 4 most deserving (Michigan, Washington, FSU, Texas). Some of these teams could be switched around of course because "best" is subjective. Last year TCU was picked over Bama because they were more deserving (but obviously not better). This happened because an SEC team (Georgia) had already made the playoffs. This year, because an SEC team hadn't already made it, they decided to pick the better team (Bama) over the more deserving (FSU). Simply, the committee changed their ranking method just so the SEC made the playoff.

[@rexn97]

True

[@owenwoodall5642]

Good points, I was thinking the same thing earlier about them mixing both deserving and best teams.

[@jamesknapp64]

Well said. Every year before this they basically did 4 most deserving,

[@johnwatsoniv384]

Michigan is easily and unequivocally one of the best and likely the best team. SP+, Sagarin, FPI, CFB nerds, and likely Pate along with any others I've yet to mention all have different power rating systems that all have Michigan #1. Vegas favored Michigan for a reason and it's because Michigan has been the best team all year long. The idea that Michigan got in based solely on "deserving" it and not being among the best teams is absurd. Michigan 27-17

[@poisonpotato1]

Last time i checked 13-0 is better than 12-1

[@anthonytitone]

If FSU is out based on a power rating then why is FSU still ahead of Georgia & Ohio State, both would blow out FSU, seems to me like they just couldn’t bare to leave the SEC champ out

[@cleveland2022]

That ranking makes zero sense. Georgia will destroy FSU

[@Tony-bx7ed]

Nobody would blow out this F.S.U defense.

[@paranormalsnow8030]

@@cleveland2022 yep, the rankings should have been, michigan washington fsu texas then alabama ohio state. that seems like the best option. but its the ncaa alabama is there poster child like shit last year the ncaa gave nick saben a commercial to plead his case to get in the playoff. its bull shit

[@replynotificationsdisabled]

fsu finding a new offense would be scary. still.... nobody scoring on a pissed off fsu defense. especially after today@@Tony-bx7ed

[@MeanJoe007]

This, 100%. Josh Pate is trash and has trash opinions.

[@dsdddsd4543we]

You're right about Oregon. I wouldn't even put Oregon ahead of Ohio State. Ohio State dropped from #2 to #6 in a close game to Michigan. Going into the conference championships, the ranking should have been: 1. Georgia 2. Michigan 3. Washington 4. FSU 5. Texas 6. Alabama 7. Ohio State 8. Oregon This way, Texas and Alabama would have just moved up two spots. FSU would have to make the argument that they are better than Texas and Alabama.

[@AliasJones]

A big argument should be made for Ohio State over TX also... No idea why they are getting so much respect... Weak schedule, several shaky games, and a loss!

[@RScott413]

I pretty much agree with all of that and don't think Oregon should have been FIVE after losing to UW a few games earlier. Sadly if Oregon would have won the Pac 12 championship they would have probably got the nod and not even been deserving of it. All because they were sitting at 5 after LOSING when they were ranked 8 to then #7 UW.

[@RScott413]

I actually think Michigan is going to lose and that they would lose to any of the teams in the conversation.

[@benharrell1664]

Let's please not call it a playoff.... It is an invitational.

[@lewiswellspiano]

Exactly. It's SEC/ESPN-influenced bullshite decisions being sold as prime rib decisions.

[@cameronbrennemanoutdoors]

I told my friends this was the last great cfb season before the dark age and I guess it came a season earlier than I thought

[@mordechai9644]

It should have been: 1: Michigan, 2: Washington, 3: FSU, 4: Texas, 5: Alabama, 6: Georgia. FSU WON their championship and got punished, period.

[@standartenfuhrerhanslanda343]

That’s a bingo

[@roadtrip2943]

If winning doesn't matter why watch any game at all.

[@nicefam7564]

“They could have lied about Jordan Travis’ status” bruh he snapped his leg in 4K

[@incendiumaquila7605]

To think the Bearcats got into the 4 team playoffs but FSU didn’t this year

[@Lsmoove21]

Whole different year nd this year way better competition

[@pdxcorgidad]

​@@Lsmoove21Then why did the Bearcats get in over Notre Dame? Don't care if they won earlier in the season. Really think Cincy was better than them or OSU?

[@reggiej230]

⁠​⁠@@pdxcorgidadWell yeah because that’s what happened on the field. They went to South Bend and dominated them.

[@pdxcorgidad]

@reggiej230 lol dominated. We have to look at body of work. Not even close. And what about OSU? Really think Cincy was better than the Buckeyes?

[@mikethetigerJD5Heisman]

@@pdxcorgidadThey couldn’t justify Ohio State over Cincinnati that year

[@ATHF346]

This kinda “best team” philosophy would absolutely burn in the atmosphere if they ever tried to propose this nonsense in the NFL

[@ronaldbryant8457]

FSU defense should have been considered equal to the QB for consideration to the play-off as well and it wasn't

[@LMN22]

Who tf lied to you😂

[@area.man.]

​@@LMN22FSU played two SEC opponents and held those two SEC teams to fewer points than all of the SEC teams those teams played, save Kentucky by one point.

[@pete49327]

Only prob with that argument is that FSU had one of worst strength of schedule rankings, 91st. Just sayin.

[@chrisbrooks6965]

@@area.man.defense only goes so far ask Iowa

[@chrisbrooks6965]

@@area.man.and that’s what it would’ve looked like if FSU played any of the top 8 teams

[@jimedwards2511]

We have a team that cheated, two teams that lost a game and an undefeated ACC champ left out? Time to have a split champion again.

[@joebob4609]

If they beat Georgia I agree

[@daydaybrown741]

No it's not you are totally over reacting.

[@zachrs43]

Time to stop playing that soft ass schedule. Should have joined the SEC when they had the chance instead of bragging about taking the easy wins like a pack of cowards

[@johnhudson9203]

Look , yes the ONE staffer crossed a line. The coaching staff didn’t know how he was getting the signals. That was proven through the NCAA investigation. So get off your high horse bc EVERY team does it in some form. Plus on the field it was proven Michigan wins anyway. This is over blown. I did advance scouting as a Marine in Nam, is that cheating ? If so it saved lives of my fellow Marines coming up behind me. So screw everyone that thinks I cheated!

[@herealittlewhile7448]

I've said it thousands of times, as an old guy it was better/more fair in the old days. In the old days if fla state walks ga they'd get split championship

[@dunkmeister]

It's wild to me that no one questioned Michigan being in over everyone else, let alone the one seed. They had a joke non-conference, and Ohio State is the only team they played all season with some semblance of a competent offense

[@lewiswellspiano]

And they gained less yardage against Iowa - a statistically and analytically inferior defense to Louisville's - with their full complement of skill position players than FSU did with a 3rd string QB.

[@Saintnick9493]

Don’t worry Michigan will get exposed for the 3rd year in a row

[@dragonsurge1]

Did you pull those stats out of your butt? Iowa is the #4 defense in the country. Louisville is #21.

[@czogg99]

They beat penn state who was ranked 8th

[@dunkmeister]

@@czogg99 Right, a other big 10 team with a joke schedule who can't score.

[@jenifersantinole]

2013 fsu was told they weren’t worthy cause they beat teams by too much. 2014 they weren’t deserving cause they invented game control. They change the rules when it’s fsu

[@jamesmiller6829]

You're right

[@Braisedin]

FSU played Auburn for the national championship in 2013. I remember it very clearly because Auburn ended Alabama's run at a 3 peat.

[@Legendary_UA]

Blame Jumbo

[@chrishaugh1655]

FSU deserved to be in this year, but none of what you just said was true about either the 13 or 14 teams lmao.

[@JJJJ-he8bz]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a more dominant regular season team the 2013 team. They shredded every team they played by 40

[@markspell9938]

Bama Bias at its finest is what this playoff is.

[@AceWillliams]

When has Alabama made the playoffs and not proved they were a top 2 team in the country?

[@thethinkingmansgame5050]

No it's is Texas Bias!!!!... bama beat an undefeated ranked #1 team...

[@Krambo87]

Yeah I’m wondering about this too. Bama beat the #1 team that makes sense. But just because Texas beat them in week 4? Texas has a loss too and does not deserve to be ranked above FSU

[@DinglebeanMcFlanergan]

@@chrisuncleahmad789Ole Miss has never won an SEC championship and have 0 Championships so that’s a stupid comparison.

[@markspell9938]

@@AceWillliams you cant prove your resume was worthy of being in the playoffs. sure they can win doesn't mean they should of been given that opportunity.

[@Sean_Strasma]

This is opinion > facts and it's morally wrong. This is about money over integrity and the kids at FSU are paying the price.

[@Tantilus]

The problem isn't that they put Alabama into the playoff, it's that they put in both Alabama and Texas and kicked out an undefeated conference champion. Florida State did everything it could to make the playoffs and it still isn't enough because they don't play in a strong enough conference? The ACC isn't a strong enough conference but somehow the BIG 12 is? SMH The next wave of conference realignment is gonna be brutal for the ACC. Do you think if Clemson was the undefeated ACC champion, would they have gotten in?

[@optimysticquest]

The problem is that since Alabama beat Georgia to become SEC Champion, that skyrocketed Texas's win over Bama. The four teams that went in over FSU all had much better wins than FSU in their seasons. The stars aligned in a way that had to keep FSU out. Their best win is LSU, who was Alabama's 3rd or 4th best win.

[@TheVelcro18]

I predict the ACC loses NC Clemson FSU and Miami who have all stated they wanted out already.

[@TheVelcro18]

My issue with that is Texas beat Bama which means Bama is the 2nd best team when you compare Texas Bama and Georgia.@@optimysticquest

[@nicholaskling2425]

@@optimysticquest3rd best win, 4th best game. Also FSU was the only contender who didn’t play a single team with less than 3 losses. FSU has some really bad wins, even before the injury, with no great wins to compensate

[@Tantilus]

@@optimysticquest My point still stands though. If you so strongly believe that Alabama deserved to be in, than Texas is the fat here. They played three other ranked opponents: Kansas (W) K State (OT - W) and Oklahoma (L). Texas only real quality win is Alabama and there other nonconference opponents are a joke. If FSU had a loss Texas would be my pick, over FSU. They don't, they ran the table and went undefeated.

[@bufordlife9781]

This is simple - it boiled down to CFP committee credibility / self preservation and changed how they rank the 4 best team in this last weekend - they went all in w Georgia as 1 (2 in first few weeks) and putting FSU in and leaving a SEC champ out would have brought into question why they had Georgia so high and would have been more painful to try to answer than leaving FSU out. If they were going to use the latest excuse of injured QB then FSU should have been 6-7+ a few weeks ago and would have been easier slotting UGA in at 5. Therefore, FSU lost twice today due to this CFP malpractice, now FSU is matched up w UGA who will most likely annihilate them (as many kids will probably pull out for NFL prep) and further push this narrative of FSU (or any non SEC/B10) didn’t belong.

[@replynotificationsdisabled]

fsu annihilates uga

[@griffinwebster8451]

you do realize nfl prep exists for both teams, right? I agree that the committee could've gone about things better, but don't pretend fsu will be any more crippled by players opting out than ga will.

[@mworkman3375]

​@@griffinwebster8451georgia has more depth to rely on than FSU, though.

[@stefanharris659]

Don't forget the committee is just an extension of the SEC

[@timholloway8821]

​@@replynotificationsdisabledThey barely beat louisville,Georgia will steamroll FSU.

[@hueycheek2801]

If you are FSU, what more could you have done? NOTHING. Why even try? This is ridiculous!!! I’m not an FSU fan but this is wrong period.

[@asup89]

The Committee pretty much gave teams the okay to go out of their way to injure the QB since that would potentially open up a playoff spot.

[@PLNB0019]

Congrats. This is by far the worst comment in a sea of dumb comments.

[@dragonsurge1]

FSU wasn’t getting in regardless.

[@kendalllodman]

How would a one loss Alabama team be screwed if they got left out??

[@winnemucca-sk5392]

your right. but the question is why play a tough non conference team? I'm glad they are adding teams next year. should have been this year. FSU wasn't rewarded for 2 sec schools. Granted one was down but they scheduled them assuming Florida would be good. Michigan plays two tough teams in regular season but had a non conference schedule below many of the higher ranked teams. This is annoying because you can't pin point how to get in.

[@detectif1061]

idk maybe bc they just beat the #1 team in the nation ??

[@matthewhaselhorst1778]

⁠​⁠@@detectif1061 and lost to the 3rd which FSU never did. “Well FSU didn’t lose to Texas cause they didn’t play Texas” yeah and they didn’t beat Georgia because they didn’t play Georgia. What else was FSU possibly supposed to do??? Build a Time Machine, see that this year no teams on their schedule would eventually be #1, so just throw the year away? Gosh it sucks that perennially good Clemson is just alright this year so due to another teams downfall FSU is fucked. FSU can schedule the Heisman winner in the OC but no that’s not enough. They can have 11 P5 games against Alabama only playing 9, yet not enough. They can even beat a common opponent with Alabama by more yet it’s not enough. They can win out WITH A BACKUP QB while Alabama is struggling the same week with QB1 to beat shitty auburn, but it’s not enough. Michigan over there didn’t have anyone on their schedule the entire season, and had 1 game against an elite team, yet is unquestioned. Are you saying teams just don’t deserve to be in a playoff if they have done everything possible to be in it to perfection but if by luck another team gets #1 to beat according to some boards rankings, they’re fucked EVERYTIME?

[@treystaton282]

​@matthewhaselhorst1778 Conference champs should go no doubt. However, if you schedule a lesser schedule against another team competing for a spot, you will face the consequences.

[@matthewhaselhorst1778]

@@treystaton282 they literally scheduled the best possible schedule, wheras Alabama scheduled an arguably just as weak schedule, and got fortunate the committee thinks 10-2 Ole miss (who had an easy ass schedule) is a much bigger win than FSU beating Clemson. FSU played 11 P5 teams including 2 from Alabamas own f-ing conference. Beat a common opponent in LSU by worse. Unfortunately the football gods didn’t gift FSU with a #1 Clemson yet gifted Alabama with #1 Georgia. Alabama lost while having QB problems in one game. FSU didn’t lose while having Qb problems in 2 games including the championship game. There’s no excuse for schedule

[@johncmoore416]

You have been saying, FSU win and you're in. So many talking heads have lied to FSU fans who listen to these shows this year.

[@7KIEL]

The Michigan reaction to the #4 slot was shock that FSU was left out.

[@drwinstonOboogi]

Yes. Same reaction people had pretty much everywhere. I LOL'd at Josh's SEC homer interpretation that it was a reaction of dread for getting matched up with the mighty SEC! 😂😂

[@RobT-v1i]

Josh I applaud you on most of your commentary. Good on you But yes you said about the recruiting this is a bad precedent that you can go 13-0 in ACC or go to a 12-1 SEC team and go in the playoffs the player will goto the SEC....

[@TempleofSolomon]

I’m a bama fan but I wasn’t expecting this I was hoping for either Washington or FSU to lose and Bama to win against Georgia when we beat UGA but neither Washington or FSU lost I thought we were done for. Honestly I was not mad I thought we had a magical season it looked like we sucked at the beginning only to come back and spoil Georgias three-peat and not to mention the Iron Bowl win. I’m happy this season turned out the way it did . But now that we got into the playoffs everyone is going to try and put and asterisk on it and accuse us of wrong doing just because we were selected in what was basically a 50/50.

[@RobertSzymanski-u5f]

I agree. I think there is a large contingent of Bama (and for that matter SEC) haters out there. Bama didn't ask for it to go this way. Like you, if Bama had their way, they would have preferred an FSU loss. Oregon beating Washington may have muddied the waters too much and given the committee an opportunity to keep an SEC team out by putting both PAC12 teams in. Keep in mind, Oregon was consistently ranked above both Texas and Alabama. I think what people are also missing is that the loss Louisville took to Kentucky (SEC team who was easily handled at home by Bama), hurt FSU as much as anything. FSU's inability to dominate and take control over Louisville in that conference championship game was telling. I also think the biggest injustice done by the committee was keeping FSU ranked so high in prior weeks when they probably had an inclination that they weren't a top 4 team.

[@OoogaBoog]

Not gonna lie....This is the 2nd time Alabama made it in where it's been very questionable, and I'd argue a 3rd time where serious discussions could be said they didn't deserve a spot. Bama bias is real. Are they the best 4th team? Probably....which is what they said is how they'd select, which is what happened. I feel for FSU. It's 2004 Auburn all over again.

[@TempleofSolomon]

@@OoogaBoog well I kind of agree but remember (I’m pretty sure we’re thinking of the season where Ohio state beat Wisconsin and bama got ahead of both of them) when Alabama got in they shut up the haters by winning it all. So let’s see what happens Michigan Alabama is going to be quality football 🏈 🐘🦡 (there is no emoji for wolverines just like how they don’t have a mascot)

[@OoogaBoog]

@@TempleofSolomon I'm not arguing for or against.....but going on deserved....it's pretty fishy. This is coming from someone going to Alabama games since 1982, but (yes) graduated from Auburn in 95 because of the better school for my vocation. I root for both teams...to the dismay of my entire family on sides.

[@SDG40Productions]

ESPN signed a 10 year deal with the SEC. Who broadcasts the College Football Invitational? Oh, that’s right! E$PN! They had clear incentive to not leave an SEC team out, regardless of results on the field.

[@cleveland2022]

The SEC has won 13 of the last 17 National Championships. Thats the reality of the situation. Its not bias its called Fact

[@Temp1000]

@@cleveland2022and the acc has won the second most in the time, what’s your point

[@SurferRC]

@@cleveland2022they stack the slots due to bias not fact 🤡🤦🏼‍♂️😂

[@jaredsmith8597]

I'm on board for a lot of this, but the "this wont happen again next year" is a terrible take. All of the seniors that helped build FSU back to this point don't get another shot at this.

[@cleveland2022]

Then maybe you should have blown out Louisville. If FSU blew out Louisville you would have an argument but you didnt

[@mikechavezjr9533]

They won by double digits with a 3rd string true freshman QB, giving up 2 FGs to a team that averages 33PPG.@@cleveland2022

[@bayshawnmalik]

​@@cleveland2022Maybe Bama and Texas shouldn't both have lost by multiple scores

[@bettersounds1926]

maybe fsu shouldve scheduled tougher opponents, maybe you should have left no doubt on the field when you played gators and louisville@@bayshawnmalik

[@bayshawnmalik]

@@bettersounds1926 yes, because scheduling LSU and Florida 6 years out is really trying to play cupcakes. Do you even hear yourself. How the hell do you know how good folks are going to be 6 years out. But scheduling LSU and UF away from home in the same season isn't taking the easy way out at all.

[@bakerman1971]

The ACC was 6-4 against the SEC this year.

[@JCTiggs1]

Here's another way to look at it. Who should get 'a chance' to win the National Championship. The team who lost AT HOME by double digits and finished 12-1, or the team who was 11-0, lost their starting QB, went out and still won their final two games with TWO different QB's and finished 13-0. Again, who is 'more deserving' for the chance to win it all.

[@zacharyscott6779]

I understand completely where you're coming from, but anyone with eyes saw that FSU offense without Jordan Travis looked absolutely TERRIBLE. Their games against Florida and Louisville were borderline painful to watch. I hate it for the Noles because at full strength they were a fun team but they had their chance to show they still belonged and they didn't deliver.

[@TheRealSpenco]

FSU would get mud stomped by Bama though... FSU didn't play anyone other than an early overhyped LSU team.

[@Legendary_UA]

The team that beat #1 and not the team that could barely beat Florida and Louisville. Seems like FSU has a habit of losing QBs in games.

[@vinceredeor439]

This whole situation would’ve been solved if they just didn’t let the team that cheated this season in

[@aaronjoley4491]

Meh.

[@murkrow2316]

🤫🥱😴

[@bonnievarnes2822]

There is no good reason that you can give that will make this screw up legal.

[@nicojones305]

As a Miami fan, you'll find few who loathe FSU as much as me (especially since they're owned us the last three years), but with that being said, I'm in the "they got screwed" camp. They went out and took care of business by winning every game, including the conference championship. That should have been enough to get them in the playoff over two one-loss teams.

[@bettersounds1926]

no they didnt and playing the hurricanes isnt something to feel accomplished about

[@nicojones305]

@@bettersounds1926 Your comment shows zero logic and a total ignorance of facts.

[@Patrick.J.Norman]

What happens when FSU is blasted by Georgia? What’s the excuse? It didn’t matter? Lol

[@MH-uh3hw]

It won’t matter. Fsu should have been in. A lot of players will be out anyway

[@bk6555]

Many seniors will probably opt out. Not really going to matter.

[@JPaul-gl6th]

I'm kinda shocked he didnt bring up the possibility that this decision to leave out FSU accelerates the destruction of the ACC.

[@dragonsurge1]

Already destroyed. Committee has made it clear that it’s only the power 2 conferences now

[@caramelpop9427]

Yall sit here and say "the games should matter" but then try to downplay Alabama beating Georgia, when almost everyone thought Georgia was gonna blow them out, y'all looking sad asf

[@rhetthayes5981]

They should bama lost by 10 at home but jumped a team that was undefeated and beat a common opponent better

[@smp1965nc]

The Michigan reaction could also have been shock that Bama jumped over FSU.

[@chrismalaney6620]

But, it wasn't. Hope they enjoy the L.

[@jay41109]

@@chrismalaney6620didn’t realize you were in the room, tell us what was said? I’m sure they are so scared of a Bama team that struggled with Auburn and got lucky to beat GA 😂

[@austinwebb316]

​@@chrismalaney6620if the "they" you are referring to is Alabama I'm sure they will not enjoy the L.

[@JK-bn8ik]

@@chrismalaney6620 I think a lot of people were shocked that Florida State was left out.

[@matthartrum2196]

It’s amazing the infatuation with Bama, a team that barely beat some really bad teams by one score and lost at home by two scores gets in over an undefeated FSU and a Georgia team that would beat any team in the country with a week to heal up. Think we all know who the best team is

[@mr_jiggler]

Except for the fact that Georgia got beat by Bama in Atlanta. They were basically at home. FSU deserved it over Texas.

[@BrianKellyisGay]

If Georgia was better than Alabama they would have proved it. Bama had injuries too, the starting RB was out and we still ran down their throat. Our DT were banged up and they couldn’t get anything up the middle. Our top-10 pick at corner went down and the backup locked up Bowers for the few drives he was in. Texas > Alabama > Georgia. FSU is not in that equation yet but they can be if they beat UGA.

[@Shaw_Cardboard_Treasures]

I don't care if FSU loss in the playoffs. They went undefeated. Bama loss. Just like if you put a 10-2 over a one loss team. Your record matters. Also if you don't make your conference title game you shouldn't make it over a one loss conference winner.

[@demcanes01]

Bama was also a hail Mary away from 2 loses

[@zachrs43]

Tissues help when you can't stop crying 😂

[@bjsauerbrei6632]

TCU played in one of the most entertaining games last year in semis

[@Amon-RaSt.Detroit]

Yes but TCU lost the Championship against Kansas State but go to the Playoffs!This Year the same with the Bulldogs!They lost with 3 Pionts against Bama but they are left out of the Playoffs!Committee ever do what they wanted to do!When it means nothing to have an undefeated Season than you can take Ole Miss over Washington or Sooners over Michigan!The Committee has an Argument for all decisions they made!

[@cdh378]

This has to be a world record late kick cut in length.

[@wmrat1969]

I have been an FSU fan since 78 been some heartache through the years and some great years, the reality of this is no where in the playoff committee bylaws or rules does it say undefeated conference champ gets in from a power 5 conference, 4 spots 5 power conferences is why. The ACC network broke this down better than any network I watched today, they said quit comparing FSU to BAMA and compare them to Mich and Wash. Go watch that if any of you have time, FSU should have been in but one of those 2 should have been out. We def got hosed, GO NOLES!!!

[@jamesh7469]

The bylaws are intentionally vague. The contradicted all precedent to exclude FSU in favor of the SEC

[@nomorepartiezz]

it’s genuinely laughable that its the year 2023 and this still hasnt been figured out yet. in no other major sport is the post season determined off of just pure vibes and a super vague set of criteria by a couple of old geezers. i dont get it. imagine a 60 win 1st or 2nd seed in the NBA getting blocked from even having a chance to try in the playoffs because your star player breaks his arm or some shit in the last 2 games of the year, and because hey nobody wants to watch you people wanna see the 6th seeded Lakers more anyways. Is that not ridiculous? Fucking bullshit i dont know how people are fine with this

[@npierce14]

At no point during this year did anybody who watched Big10 and Pac12 think FSU was better than UW. It’s shocking how many southern fans didn’t watch UW because they are gonna beat Texas they have a first rd qb 3 1st rd WRs. UM has like 20 guys who will be in the NFL next year. FSU best player was a nobody in the big10 transfers to FSU and the ACc made him look like amazing

[@j.akelly9775]

@@jamesh7469 they would have contradicted precedent no matter what decision they made regarding Bama, Texas and FSU

[@Eddyboy309]

At the end of the day as long as bama is a one loss team they will always make it to the playoff . Beat Georgia by 3 and been struggling most of the season when fsu has been dominating and winning out of conference games and in conference games even won two games with a back up qb and 3rd string qb . Bama will always be put above everyone else . All these content creators are dick riding bama hard as shit

[@stevencamp8018]

This is the problem with D-I college football. It's never been about "most deserving", it's always been about the powers that be and who they "feel" is the best team(s) based on that particular season's circumstances. And with the 4 team playoff, it feels like they change criteria based on how bad they want an SEC team in, or if Bama has less than 2 losses, they'll make up anything to get them in. They've gotten in w/o winning they're division. Would that ever happen for schools like UGA, Michigan, Washington...? I'd bet a lot of money it wouldn't. It's all biased, money-driven, phonyness. 2023 FSU is no different than 2004 Auburn. Idk if 12 teams solves anything. Why did we skip 6 & 8? Imo, 8 would've been most ideal. 5 (now 4) conference Champs and 4 at large. There has to be some reward for winning a conference. Otherwise, what's the point of having them?

[@johnwatsoniv384]

The 4 team playoff would've been perfect next season because the conference championship games make it effectively an 8 team playoff. Just give every power conference champion a spot and rank those champions accordingly. If you weren't good enough to win your conference, you're not good enough to play the other conference champions for the national championship. It's that simple. 12 teams only expands this problem and fills it up with bad games involving 7+ teams that have no business being in the playoff, getting beaten down by the 2-3 teams that are good enough to win it.

[@BrianKellyisGay]

For one, Alabama, or anybody else, has never made the CFP with two losses. Auburn was actually probobly the only team thus far to control their own destiny with two losses in 2017 but lost in the SECCG. Georgia had also gotten in in 2021 without winning the conference champion, TCU was in last year as an 12-1 noncon champion, Notre Dame made it after getting crushed in the conference championship in 2020. Ohio State got in last year without winning their division.

[@idonthaveone7576]

UGA literally got in after losing their conference championship two years ago ya dork

[@DeepSouthDakota]

This is a black and white moment. You can tell the good guys from the bad guys when it comes to college football. Anyone arguing FSU should be left out of the CFB playoffs are the baddies.

[@DeepSouthDakota]

@@cleveland2022 Your eyes and opinions should never trump wins and loses. This is absurd. That is thinking that erodes the integrity of the game and everything all of us love about college football. Enjoy your Disney+ playoffs.

[@SurferRC]

@@cleveland2022well never know

[@jamesmarshall6619]

The main issue I have is not that the included Alabama, I probably would have selected them as well, but just the idea that the best SEC team should be in there as it gives the 4 team playoff credibility. Most other years I would say absolutely, undefeated Georgia definitely would be in but this year, I'm not entirely convinced. Alabama's strength of schedule was certainly better than FSU's but the question is was it really? We're giving the SEC the benefit of the doubt in a year where it didn't actually separate itself from any conference. The SEC's biggest win this year was Kentucky vs. Louisville, Ole Miss vs Tulane, and Mississippi State vs UA, not entirely impressive. Alabama lost to Texas but Auburn was destroyed by New Mexico St, Florida lost to Utah and FSU, LSU lost to FSU, Arkansas lost to BYU, Texas A&M lost to Miami, South Carolina lost to North Carolina and Clemson, Vanderbilt lost to Wake Forest and UNLV, and a lot of these losses, SEC teams lost handily. I know people want to discount part of the SEC but when trying to parse who is deserving, who has the toughest schedule, all of the teams count and this year the SEC had a losing record in non-conference games against power 5 conferences. Again, small sample size but it's the only sample size we have, so when using strength of schedule it's assuming based upon SEC's history that it still has a lot of the best teams to list up Alabama's strength of schedule when in reality on the field it didn't come close to proving it did actually have that tough a schedule.Again, I would argue that I think Alabama is slightly better than FSU right now but a few weeks of practice, their backup quarterback could have easily gotten enough reps to lift FSU up. For me, this year as I only view it on a year by year basis, nothing the SEC did this year should give Alabama the benefit of the doubt based on strength of schedule because the SEC didn't prove it was the best conference this year, didn't come close.

[@runyunhyde4373]

A lot of those loses were against ACC teams

[@davidremmler9166]

Yeah, the strength of schedule ranking is likely nonsense. It assumes the SEC is the best and therefore, all SEC teams get a bump in their SOS.

[@prepre1976]

Id say the SEC certainly seperated themselves..They have the 2 best teams in the country...Georgia should be in 2..Those 2 teams play and would beat all these teams...

[@BrianKellyisGay]

So the ACC is better than the ACC because Clemson beat South Carolina? Because Wake beat fucking Vanderbilt? 5th best in the SEC lost to the ACC champ and now the ACC is better? No, that’s not how that is measured. If it is, then the MAC is 2-2 vs the ACC, so by that logic is the MAC as good as the ACC? Fuck no. The only team I’m aware of to play the top 4 teams in our conference is Georgia Tech who lost to Georgia and Ole Miss. Aside from that, beating up on the worst teams in the SEC doesn’t mean much. But one of those worst teams did just beat the team in the ACC championship.

[@davidremmler9166]

@@BrianKellyisGay that's not the point. The point is that the only data we have does not show SEC superiority. Is the SEC better than the ACC because they have a losing record to the ACC? Of course not. Is there adequate evidence to jump an SEC team over an ACC team with a better and undefeated record (and a 2-0 record against decent to good SEV teams)? Of course not.

[@BigPaPaRu]

This is crazy. FSU should be in there.

[@PhilGarrett-et3fz]

Damn, Josh Pate is right again. We all knew the CFP committee was off the whole season until yesterday. They had to correct it even at the expense of looking like idiots.

[@nickcrow446]

The committee is wrong though. They're stating Alabama is better than FSU because FSU is different without JT. Based on their rankings though, does that mean that FSU is better than Georgia, Oregon and OSU without JT? The committee's logic doesn't work unless they drop FSU behind these teams.

[@nicholaskling2425]

@@nickcrow446even before the injury, FSU was a shaky undefeated. Their SoS was weaker than 2017 UCF

[@johncramer9564]

Michigan, which ranked 51st in strength of schedule is ranked above Washington, which is ranked 9th in strength of schedule (highest among unbeaten teams)? How does that make sense? Bow down to Washington!

[@andrewjarvis2867]

Michigan beat the #2 team in the country…. What was Washington’s best win?

[@johncramer9564]

How about Texas which Washington beat 14 games ago in the Alamo bowl, after being a 4.5 point underdog? How about Oregon which was #5, how about all of them? @@andrewjarvis2867@burnersburneraccount3466

[@johncramer9564]

Easier to get some wins when you know what call the other team just made. TBH, Michigan should be expelled for the cheating scandal@burnersburneraccount3466

[@Lt-Dan]

In the NFL, they dont replace playoff teams due to the starting QB being out for the playoffs

[@BrianGlaze]

This isn't the same system though and I think that's the part that many people fail to realize. This is a 4 team selection process....not an every divisional winner gets into a playoff spot process.

[@Lt-Dan]

@@BrianGlaze FSU season was for nothing, 13 and 0 will not get you in ,you need a hard luck storyline like TCU.

[@c.juneau410]

Everyone needs to realize that Bama will always be favored by the refs, Vegas, and most importantly the football committee. No matter what they will always get the calls and help that they need

[@nothanks3236]

Yep. At least going to 12 teams next year helps other conferences since Bama will always be one of the 12 unless they are a sub-.500 team.

[@tuckerross389]

One of the most penalized teams in the country but yeah ok bud

[@nothanks3236]

@@tuckerross389 Except when they play a championship game and then it's three pens for the whole game max.

[@Giamatty]

see Josh, this is why we need a 12 team playoffs 😂😂😂

[@juneBug-kage]

What makes it even funnier is that FSU and the ACC AD were the main culprits behind why the 12-team playoffs weren't this year lmao

[@Giamatty]

@@juneBug-kage wow, talk about karma.

[@npierce14]

@@juneBug-kagereally?

[@Anamae5451]

I would argue 16 team playoffs it would be hard for anyone to argue missing the playoffs then 😂

[@quinnwright2516]

I personally think 8 is the best number, but 12 is much better than 4.

[@MrChaz1970]

I’m a FSU fan and I’ve been watching you for years and I’m asking all FSU fans to drop this show!!!! People forget Alabama lost and FSU didn’t full stop! FSU fans deserve better than someone taking out of both sides of there mouth. FSU needs to bet Georgia to tell college football to suck it!!!

[@bradywilliams1437]

Florida St has around the same strength of schedule as 2016 and 2018 Clemson. ACC still produced champions.

[@dragonsurge1]

There weren’t many contenders those years

[@quentincollie7213]

This don't make sense it was goin on in 2017 an still goin on now Aub beat both Georgia an Ala an Bama still Made the playoffs somebody getting payed in that committee room

[@johncmoore416]

The outcome on the field for FSU is they won. FSU is out because a 4th and 31 miracle. How stupid is that?

[@tideoneon6358]

The true voice of reason in these troubling times 😂