Alabama's Future Under Kalen DeBoer - Josh Pate + Cole Cubelic

Alabama vs Vanderbilt highlighted the week 6 College Football slate and it saw Kalen DeBoer and the Crimson Tide stunned at the hands of Clark Lea and Vandy. On Josh Pate's College Football Show Ep 565 Josh Pate was joined by Cole Cubelic and the two discussed whispers of culture issues at Alabama. What does that mean? Is any of it valid? Will Kalen DeBoer and Alabama get back to winning this weekend? Will Alabama get the defense figured out? Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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[@josephroberts6865]

Agree one game does define the “culture” of the team. Fans have come to see an Alabama football team for the past 17 years that developed into an organization where virtually everything they do is choreographed on and off the field which has beed defined as the “Alabama Standard.” The standard was established by Nick Saban and it has been upheld win or lose for most all of the 17 years. Once NIL and a transfer portal were established in such a way that a player could literally black mail the organization for money or playing time, that was the moment Saban realized he no longer had the ability to control the culture he established or maintain the standard that he demanded. So Kalen DeBoer comes in with different philosophies, and reducing what became recognized as the misery of the Saban system (in which he forced players to train under the most difficult conditions) so the players no longer feel the “threat” of the pressure that comes with “the process.” Consequently fans sense that a culture shift has occurred (practicing in the morning when it’s cooler rather than when it’s hot). You can see players doing silly dances after TDs, hair styles that appear looser, and the coach wearing a tee shirt that does not present the coach in a classy look. Those are all indicators of a shift in coaching philosophy/culture and it contradicts the “Alabama Standard”. All fans know is that the system worked under Saban. Now it appears to have holes in it. If we see behavior problems with players as Saban initially did, we will know the answer.

[@collegefootballwithsam]

I know Cubelic had to enjoy watching Alabama get humiliated by Vanderbilt.

[@MDbaseball3]

You the man, Sam. Go bucks tho !

[@jasonsaban3883]

Actually people who were educated at these universities are more professional than the unschooled fans.

[@chicken_sandwich3377]

@@jasonsaban3883cubelic went to auburn I can assure you he definitely doesn’t have much love for Alabama

[@jasonsaban3883]

@@chicken_sandwich3377 again professionals don’t have the juvenile mindset of those of you who never passed a freshman comp class at an SEC school

[@NDiddy]

​@@jasonsaban3883I'm guessing by these comments that you attended an SEC school and think you're better than everybody for it?

[@jeffhandley3070]

People blaming culture, clothes, music at practice, and other non sense is a discredit to a Vandy team that kicked our butt.

[@shanewoods1980]

And just think, the same people that are printing this and saying this are the same people that said Alabama would win by 30 points. Then the media had to find something else to follow. I’m a die hard Alabama fan for 43 years and Vandy outplayed Alabama on that field Saturday in every aspect of that game. Vandy came to play and did just that and I give the coach and every player credit for that. But I’ll never make excuses, excuses displace blame instead of owning it.

[@shanewoods1980]

And with that being said, I could tell that this Alabama team is talented but they are very undisciplined compared to Nick Sabans former teams.

[@caseysmith5835]

"Life's a drive-thru bud, just gotta keep movin' forward." Wayne from Letterkenny.

[@sneakyquick]

It was probably really wishful thinking to think the coaching transition would be as seamless as we all thought it was going to be after Bama beat Georgia.

[@SnailLagoon]

I love how Josh starts with a literal two-minute question. 😂

[@Deep.Purple]

He's "guiding" the answer .. :)

[@ctclardy]

How can anyone rate or evaluate a coach who just started on the job this season? Give the guy a break and after 3 full seasons then make your evaluation.

[@drakodakid1096]

Bra won't last 3 seasons if he keep this up, this ain't Washington

[@BB-ce5ev]

​@drakodakid1096 usually the case but he inherited a team with the most talent in college football. The talent level he has to coach with will only go down from here.

[@ctclardy]

@@BB-ce5ev They said Florida State had all the talent a coach could want and where are they now. Talent can be a help or a hindrance. It is how the coach molds them and disciplines them into a cohesive team. Often that takes time, especially since talent has a habit of being narcissistic, self-entitled, and hard to corral.

[@ctclardy]

@@BB-ce5ev That is what Saban did, build talent and he retained them because they were grateful. Now talent (raw talent) is mostly motivated by the NIL and transfer portal. If a player doesn't get his way they just move to another team. College football is no more. It is now a semi-professional sport. These athletes are now semi-pros and this is why Saban left. He realized most were now only in it for the loot.

[@98765432139267]

3 seasons is a long long time with bama and this much talent!! He won’t last that long if he loses at least 3 games every year

[@CoachSmook]

Josh keeps it real 100% of the time !!! shoutout to Cole Still remember meeting him Pro Day Tuscaloosa !!! See you guys soon !!

[@ToddAtkinsShow]

Alabama is elite offensively, even with guys missing. They just need to improve the defense. Can they????

[@connorhirth7240]

I sure hope so

[@Deep.Purple]

Nope... not with Wommack. 6 quarters without a defense. Since A Day game the D has been playing horrible.

[@MMcCree7]

Let's revisit the culture once they win the natty

[@CoachSmook]

you speaking my language !!! check it out

[@TantheTaxman]

Interesting neither of you mention the head slam at the end.

[@98765432139267]

Man if they beat South Carolina and then somehow escape Tenn game with a win!! Bama will be back in top 3 and no one will remember that vandy game. Let’s see

[@cletustrainer]

I'm a Bama fan, but I love Cole. 😂

[@vinnythewebsurfer]

I mean didn’t Saban clue us all in that culture in Tuscaloosa; How even he wasn’t confident anymore and frustrated that he couldnt whip players back in line the same way he could 5 or 10 years ago?

[@Educated2Extinction]

How quality a win was Wisconsin? They're 3-2, with their "signature" win being against 1-5 Purdue.

[@clinthathcock6078]

The culture is already there. The key is the coach finding and fostering it. The coach and the culture have to match. The coach doesn't create it.

[@GoatedAtNFS]

remember this score 27-3 that was the final score from ole miss @ south carolina if alabama doesn’t do exactly that or near double that at HOME, the fans better get used to losing 3-4 games a year

[@skipgumphrey9579]

A great many times I agree with at least your thought processes, but not on this one. You can’t measure it that way. How many times have we seen teams struggle with opponents they shouldn’t have and then go on to great things ? I’ve seen it plenty times since the 70s. I’m HOPING that we can equal or double what Ole Miss did last weekend, but if we don’t I’m not going to automatically start preparing for losses. I’ll just be disappointed… RTR

[@smittyjay212]

​@@skipgumphrey9579 thanks bc I was fina correct him but you did a good job

[@KimD992]

Glad you showed Malachi some grace.

[@igorlobkovenko9480]

He doesn't deserve it. He is supposed to be the stabilizer in the secondary not the combustible guy

[@KimD992]

Yeah. I’m sure you’re perfect!

[@keithfrost3807]

Are there any rational Alabama fans out there? Let the country hear from you because all we're hearing are all the crazy ones! My goodness, I feel sorry for their children and grandchildren. They'll ALL turn out like Legend!!!!

[@josephc30]

I consider myself a somewhat rational Alabama fan and I don’t get the outrage about Malachi Moore. I want a guy on my defense to be angry about losing to Vandy. I am more concerned about guys who are not angry. That is a culture problem you can’t fix. Do you want to see him throw his mouthpiece, kick the ball, or refuse to come off the field? Obviously not. But none of that happens if you win the game. I have absolutely no concerns about Malachi Moore. Also, we all knew the defense was going to be a potential problem this season. It is a very young group overall that isn’t exceptionally deep. The defense has not really been great for several years now. Expecting something different in DeBoer’s first season is not rational. If you take a step back, Alabama is just like most of the teams in the upper tier of the sport. Their offense is good enough to out score anyone on any given day (Georgia). Their defense is vulnerable enough that it could give up 40+ to anyone on any given day (Vandy). The era of undefeated or seemingly invincible teams is over. The era of two and maybe even three loss national champions is here. We all need to adjust to that reality.

[@anthonyellison4082]

Effort is an issue but the lack of respect for coaches was my issue

[@maliakhart4281]

Right like the time a player damn near punched a coach during the Savannah era and still started surely you felt the same way then right?

[@GrouchyKraut]

​@maliakhart4281 who is Savannah?

[@jhpy4223]

When Alabama looses, it makes History. When Auburn looses, it is just another game. Roll Tide forever.

[@arubial1229]

The culture has undoubtedly changed. Does anyone honestly think Malachi Moore pulls that crap with Saban on the sidelines? No way.

[@JessicaWilbourn-t6s]

There seems to be things in each game that are leading to this narrative. The Moore thing is a huge example, but yes, we are all human. There was also the fight before half time that lead to a penalty in the GA game and Williams having "Kill Everyone" written on his face. Those things make me nervous that the integrity of the program isn't a priority. Which most people will not care about as long as we are winning.

[@edhill8341]

After GA spotted them 28 points and came back to lead requiring yet another ridiculous, improbable play to regain the lead.

[@garyroenicke2102]

Evaluate after the season. If Bama doesn’t make the 12 team playoffs this year with one of the Best QBs in the Country, and with him being an Offensive Guru, then it’s a Bust of a Season. And recruiting will be harder. Obviously he doesn’t have the Discipline that Saban had and doesn’t go after Defensive Players as hard as he does Offensive Players. Despite a tough schedule and what he had returning, 10-2 should be the Worse this team should go. Otherwise it isn’t a good season

[@Capcaller300]

Effort is on the coaches. If minimal effort is being allowed, then there is a culture problem.

[@CoachSmook]

horrible take lol ..

[@Capcaller300]

@@CoachSmook stfu smook. If bad habits are being allowed in practice and in games then it’s a culture problem. I’ve watched the team play with effort for the past 17 years, and now the first year a new head coach is at the helm, they aren’t giving as much effort. That’s not a coincidence.

[@thetony5474]

So Cole’s wife kicked him out the house 😂

[@HunterBradford-m1u]

I don't think it's true that, "If you win, your culture is going to be pretty damn good, no matter what." Was this true of Urban Meyer's Ohio St or Florida teams? What about Jimbo Fisher's A&M's teams when they were winning 9+ games?

[@thetony5474]

What he’s wearing…you lot are something else 😂 if I was KDB I’d show up in a wife beater n denim shorts this week just to annoy people 😂

[@bamaalum0920]

Haha, I think he should wear a tux

[@richardroberts4355]

He had on a 30 buck Nike T shirt. Looking like Hugh Freeze helped him get dressed.

[@smittyjay212]

​@@richardroberts4355Tennessee and Missouri coach had the same shirt that Coach Debo had on. Nobody's talking them 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@richardroberts4355]

@@smittyjay212 both of those dudes are slobs. They dress like they're coaching in high school. So I said it, and I'm somebody.

[@HawkSailor95]

It’s sad that one bad day at the office and the fans are worried about his clothes!i If he’d won that day, they would be wearing that shirt the same way coach wears it!

[@blakeharrison3972]

I like Debeor, if they weren’t disappointed by losing I’d be more concerned honestly

[@Woninthetrenches]

Josh and Cole. I believe you are missing the big picture. A good culture isn't exclusively on the field. Good culture is player development, walk ons earning scholarships, alumni engagement, being backed by the establishment and more. Culture isnt fixed immediately and its a constant battle to create good culture. Culture will result in wins eventually.

[@1v1mebro_101]

Malachi Moore definitely wouldn’t have done that if Saban was coach that’s for sure.. lol sure miss the Goat. RTR!!

[@lovebug6822]

Yeah. My fellow Bama fans need to calm down just a bit. Yes, a loss to Vandy looks horrible, but the win against UGA looks great. I think we're a young team that lacks depth right now. Yes, the defense needs to tighten up and quit running that dumb "swarm" defense, but I think we're on the right track. We gotta give the new coach a little more grace than 1 loss. Vandy played a good game. They played above their level & we played way below our level. IT HAPPENS. Just hope they have their heads screwed on straight from here on out. I still roll with the Tide & ALWAYS will.

[@SHAKENBAKE-sh6kn]

RTR

[@mdrfarris]

Where did your culture go when you lose 39 top players

[@jimmysexton4201]

The culture we had at Bama from 2020 and back is gone! NIL and the transfer portal has changed everything! Money brings greed and greed destroys everything! When college football players do not eat, sleep, and live football we get what we have today! Too many distractions today and as I said when NIL started its gonna ruin college football! Here we are!!! Its exactly why the goat left! When these young athletes buy in to something other than winning games there will not be complete buy in and motivation to the STANDARD!!!

[@dariuswilliams3206]

Yeah you’re definitely the person that subscribes to winning games=good culture. I remember Bama having culture issues while winning championships. I remember AJ McAaron sh!ting on teammates for thinking about the draft after the Oklahoma sugar bowl loss. I remember Tim Williams, Cam Robinson, and Hootie Jones getting caught up on weed and gun charges in Louisiana. I remember Nick Saban taking on a player who just got kicked off of Georgia for domestic violence and preaching “second chances” only for same player to get into another domestic violence case in Tuscaloosa.

[@ISpeak9450ese]

Culture? Remember when everybody, including this channel, was questioning Colorado culture? Funny, right?

[@scottellis800]

Bama!

[@kennethraff2002]

Kids are kids I was hot tempered when I was in my early 20s shit happens I hope he learns from it

[@speedracer2336]

Culture? They lost it after the last Naty, top talent every year, under achieving, average team, every remaining game a toss up!

[@Icecreamtyler]

Roll tide

[@alexmangrum90]

Bama will roar back in storybook fashion

[@killamindedmusic4220]

Nah

[@jaredwalker6467]

Only Josh could find a way to sunshine pump a team who lost to vandy lol

[@ttownhondo]

Why in the hell ask that nothing burger

[@JohnHenryHoliday]

There is zero consistency on either side of the ball. Our defense is not working together. Is it the coaching, or the players? Milroe is overrated. A forward pass that far over the line of scrimmage, please? His eyes and body language are guides to the defense on running plays. His eyes betray him on passes, he goes into ball hog mode, he can’t feel the pressure in the pocket (when he can stay there), and for every air strike he throws he under or overthrows three. His clock management during the Georgia game was shameful. It’s the talent around him that makes him shine.

[@1sh1kll91]

Can’t downplay that massive victory at Wisconsin.

[@Educated2Extinction]

🤣

[@jamiecrawford8133]

Wisconsin is crap. Wondering when the seat gets hot and the ice gets thin for Fickell.......

[@olliehays3206]

Yes, ask the auburn guy 👎🏼

[@arubial1229]

I really like Cole as an analyst, but he literally said nothing this entire video.

[@briangreen256]

The culture is changing to soft. Teams emulate their head coach.

[@rickysmith133]

USCe will score 35 on Alabama. Alabama will lose to USCe, Tenn. LSU, Okla. and auburn.

[@igorlobkovenko9480]

Wisconsin is not a good team. Its the least talented Wisconsin team maybe in 15 years. That was with Van Dyke. Check back at the end if the season but dont tell me Alabama is fine but Georgia's comeback was a mirage that was played under "abnormal conditions.". Alabama is lucky they arent riding a two game losing streak and their defense looks like swiss cheese

[@bobelliott9426]

Wait a minute, are these not the same folks that said DeBoer was the best in the world, won everyone he has been, on and on. That all may be true but stepping up in class to SEC from where ever you came from is totally different. From the look it seems to be maybe the effort not there because he is lacking in his preparation of games. Also pretty sure maybe the players are questioning themselves maybe someone of the things (effort and preparing) now is showing that it is necessary and showing the player that also. Let see how they respond but of course all the media, podcast morons all will have strong stupid opinions and want to project what the problem is as they scramble for clicks, shock, and headlines.

[@axiom-xse]

Alabama got what it deserved. They were ill prepared, over confident and lacking in effort... And it resulted in the worst loss they've had in decades. Don't compare this to the La Monroe loss in 2007. This is worse.. much worse. Doesn't mean the season is over or Deboer was a bad hire, but karma is a bitch and all the hype and hysteria from the UGA win came back hard.

[@scottjackson163]

I’m too old to care what either of you thinks about my opinion of Kalen DeBoer. You don’t know better than I do what Alabama needs in a head coach. I’ll leave it at that.

[@jacobkolkmeier2285]

Too old to know what your talking about lol

[@alexmangrum90]

Sound ridiculous 😅

[@jamiecrawford8133]

I'm curious to hear the opinions of Alabama fans about Deboer? Throw them out there plz.

[@joshuablack9511]

@@jamiecrawford8133as a bama fan i hate the part of our fanbase thats overreacting to one game. like who the hell are we gonna get thats better? lanning? kiffin? dabo? all three of those either cant win big games or dont want to adjust to modern day college football. kdb is 6-1 against top 10 opponents and most of those wins were at washington. all we saw saturday was a coach from the pac 12 realizing there are no off weeks in the sec. the bama fans screaming for him to be fired are idiots

[@jamiecrawford8133]

@@joshuablack9511 What would Bama fans think about Dabo returning to his alma mater as HC?

[@PatBrooks-u6w]

Kalen DeBoer is a famous-for-15-minutes coach. Last year is his resume. Saban had built his resume for 10 years before going to Alabama.

[@keithjones2481]

Last year is not his resume. The guy has been constantly winning for 10-15 years

[@Deep.Purple]

Get ready Bama fans... the loses are not over. 9-3 year coming to you and some of those are going to be struggle wins. Since A Day game I just can't say anything or see anything "elite" or even good with our Defense. it's an all or nothing style of defense. We now have played 6 quarters without a defense.

[@10sGirlAnne]

Disagree. He has looked awful on the sideline. Needs to look profesh

[@SHAKENBAKE-sh6kn]

Why does it matter how a coach is dressed on the sideline? Who the hell wants to look professional when the temps get up to 90s and 100s especially when the season starts, this isn't basketball where the coach has to wear a damn suit and tie, that's the dumbest shit ever

[@10sGirlAnne]

@@SHAKENBAKE-sh6kn you just don’t get it

[@markgreenberg7836]

Sark would completely disagree about culture. At Texas, culture is prioritized and we are #1 in the country. Just saying

[@chuckculver8652]

And you really haven't played a top 5 opponent yet either...and I've seen y'all struggle in spots...we were number 1 last week to so we are fixing to see how long y'all are there... just saying... RTR

[@bamaalum0920]

@@chuckculver8652but Texas is back! Can you imagine what would’ve happened if Colt hadn’t gotten hurt too? Mack Brown would probably have like 14 national championships in a row and the Longhorn network would be the highest rated channel of all time

[@jamiecrawford8133]

​@@bamaalum0920 And now Mack has 5 Nattys at North Carolina.😅

[@yearofthedawgs8581]

My goodness, Pate is such a pandering, fence-sitting shill who cannot call a spade a spade or make any type of definitive judgement of anything if it means he has to say mean things about the programs he panders to. This win was OBVIOUSLY indicative of a culture problem. Obviously. You have legacy Bama players coming out and saying as much, clearly stating that Malachi would not have carried on the way he did under Saban, but noooo Pate's gotta shrug his shoulders and go "Welll what is culture really? 😮" Soft azz industry plant talkshow. The pretentious propaganda that comes out of this dude's mouth...😂 This isn't a college football talkshow. It's just a PR broadcast for certain SEC programs masquerading as a talk show.

[@bamaalum0920]

I’m so sorry someone forced you to click on this video and watch it! It truly amazes me that someone actively chose to watch something completely irrelevant to their own team, then got so worked up that they felt the need to write up a huge rant about it. If I were you I’d worry less about Alabama and more about Georgia and how your team is turning out to be the next Clemson like we all predicted. Just another new money program who wins a couple of championships after 40 years of irrelevance and immediately thinks they are some CFB blue-blood.

[@willscarborough9089]

What then of UGA’s driving record? 🤔. I mean that seriously. You had people die in a UGA vehicle and you still can’t keep kids from acting stupid. I don’t think it’s a Kirby issue because he’s done all he can I just think giving 18 year olds massive sums of money changes things including (possibly) effort and whether they give an F about Kirby being mad about speeding tickets.

[@yearofthedawgs8581]

@@bamaalum0920 nothing you say to anyone, much less us UGA fans who have seen their program get b2b natties, will take away the fact that one of the greatest upsets in cfb history happened last week with Alabama losing to Vandy. You guys lost to Vanderbilt. #1 rated Bama team with the most explosive QB in the nation lost to Vanderbilt. Please let that sink in. One of the worst losses in the history of your school. Don't let Josh Pate try to sweep it under the rug with his bs. And dont try punching down on UGA fans to try to distract yourself from the fact that yall became tbe biggest laughing stock in CFB right now. Once again, your season highlight will be "we didnt get a natty, but well at least we beat georgia" when all else is said and done and nothing more. Yall are turning into auburn.

[@yearofthedawgs8581]

@@willscarborough9089 we have driving and culture issues but we still never let vanderbilt put up 40 points on us when we were the #1 ranked school. At least our players aint throwing temper tantrums on the fields like babies 😂 Bama has OBVIOUS culture issues Pate doesn't want to mention. And they were manifest during the latter half of Saban's tenure. Now that he's gone, its even worse...

[@willscarborough9089]

@@yearofthedawgs8581 maybe? We will see. I agree letting Vandy throw up 40 on us is a bad look. I think any team that has mostly 4 and 5 star kids getting paid tons of money who all think they should be playing will have issues moving forward. It’s going to be hard to find a team full of kids who are talented enough to play at Bama and GA AND are more concerned with ball than anything else.

[@scottturner1504]

Line vandy up in front of bama this weekend, bama would pull the soul out of that team they got us it took 23 years ,but please think this is bama future embarrasse your damn self

[@Teukel-f7h]

Love this tandem. Roll Tide