25 mic pre shootout/review! Male vocals (BAE, NEVE, API, UA, Great River, Chandler, Shadow hills)

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Giulio Carmassi

Giulio Carmassi

6 жыл бұрын

www.giuliocarmassi.com
00:04 BAE 1073
00:31 NEVE 1073LB
00:59 Chandler Limited Germanium 500 MKII
01:25 BAE 312A
01:52 API 512C
02:19 Shadow Hills Gama Nickel
02:45 Shadow Hills Gama Steel
03:13 Focusrite Clarett pre - no air
03:45 Daking 500 pre
04:14 Purple Biz - Dual switch engaged
04:43 Great River MP2NV
05:10 Rupert Neve Design 511 pre - no silk
05:38 UA 610 solo - 500 impedance
06:07 D.W.Fearn VT-1 pre
06:36 Manley Core mic pre
07:03 Edwards LE-10 pre
07:31 Burl B1 pre
07:58 Inward Connections Magnum pre
08:25 Phoenix DRS-1R pre
08:52 Avedis MA5 pre
09:20 Skibbie 736-5 pre
09:48 Wunder Audio Cobalt Pre
10:09 Electrodyne 501 pre
10:36 Grace Design 501 pre
11:03 Millennia Media HV-35 pre
Mic was a KSM32.
Singer is Giulio Carmassi
Song is "ok" from Giulio Carmassi's album "the innocent"
www.giuliocarmassi.com
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@giuliocarmassi
@giuliocarmassi 4 жыл бұрын
After a few years, my favorite is still the BAE 1073, on most vocals, certainly mine. I added a touch of reverb because to me dry vocals are the death of sonic bliss, like pasta without salt, and would make it so painful that it would be distracting to even try to have any emotional instinctual reaction to the minor differences between pres. Please subscribe and go check my other videos, that'll be the thank you for the free service here provided! :) Cheeeeeeers, G PS If you feel they all sound the same, congratulations! You are luckier than all of us and are free from the insidious GAS (gear acquisition syndrome), and will live longer and happier!
@keithrichards4296
@keithrichards4296 4 жыл бұрын
And you're more than right. No one was able to come even close... it's like... butter, cream, vanilla for your voice. Anyways, the Api was the runner-up here IMO.
@garyharrison8891
@garyharrison8891 4 жыл бұрын
Me too. The BAE1073 had that warmth and low mid weight to it. The Neve 1073 was close. imho they all sounded pretty good, and quite usable.
@EyesackWorley
@EyesackWorley 3 жыл бұрын
The Manley is my favorite, but the ua 610 just has something about it, only its less detailed than the rest.
@thischannel1071
@thischannel1071 3 жыл бұрын
It would be easier to gauge the differences between the preamp if there was one raw recorded, non-preamped vocal take that was then sent through all the different preamps. Because they're all different vocal takes, it's hard to pinpoint what's the preamp and what's a difference in how it was sung.
@loredanamassini3656
@loredanamassini3656 3 жыл бұрын
@@garyharrison8891 claret il vero fico aggressivo per hiphoo
@honglinh4537
@honglinh4537 2 жыл бұрын
00:05 BAE 1073 00:32 NEVE 1073LB 00:59 Chandler Limited Germanium 500 MKII 02:19 Shadow Hills Gama Nickel 02:45 Shadow Hills Gama Steel 03:13 Focusrite Clarett pre - no air 03:45 Daking 500 pre 04:14 Purple Biz - Dual switch engaged 04:43 Great River MP2NV 05:10 Rupert Neve Design 511 pre - no silk 05:39 UA 610 solo - 500 impedance 06:08 D.W.Fearn VT-1 pre 06:36 Manley Core mic pre 08:25 Phoenix DRS-1R pre
@SeanHyland
@SeanHyland Жыл бұрын
7:31 Burl B1 - Not to be left out. It did very well in this shootout!
@soundsokok
@soundsokok 10 ай бұрын
1:52 00:32
@countryguitaronline
@countryguitaronline 2 ай бұрын
No Capi?
@michaelyolch79
@michaelyolch79 2 жыл бұрын
Wow! THANK YOU so much for all your work in putting this together. It's interesting to read everyone's favorites...which reveals just how different all our ears are. My personal favorites were Great River, the UA 610, and the Avedis (Although, I've never heard of Avedis). The Purple, Clarett, and Phoenix were painfully harsh. Ugh. This has been HUGELY helpful in narrowing down which preamps I want to go with in my studio. I was locked on to the Manley CORE channel strip...but its preamp isn't anything crazily astonishing compared to others either.
@giuliocarmassi
@giuliocarmassi 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah it's kinda beautiful how subjective it all is, and how tempting it is sometimes for certain people to assume that anyone that disagrees is either dumb or deaf, rather than just.... different. haha.
@nickafflitto7519
@nickafflitto7519 4 жыл бұрын
DW Fearn was my fav. Super round sounding. Deep lows, and no sibilance. The Skibbie had a really cool bite to it! I have electrodyne so I have to like that one too. BAE nailed the classic Neve thing. Always impressed with stock Focusrite pres as well!
@leonardtristan6873
@leonardtristan6873 5 жыл бұрын
I really liked the RND 511... clarity and warmth at the same time, really clear 3D effect
@IanHarrod
@IanHarrod 4 жыл бұрын
what if this reverb could go away so we can tell what they sound like
@jdamicoofficial
@jdamicoofficial 4 жыл бұрын
HAHA
@LosFicosMusic
@LosFicosMusic 6 ай бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Sneakyybstrd
@Sneakyybstrd 5 жыл бұрын
thanks for the video! Favorites were BAE1073, NEVE1073LB, Chandler, Great River Pre.
@RememberingGames
@RememberingGames 4 жыл бұрын
I think the API and Grace Design 501 are my preferred ones. What a perfect way to do a shoutout video.
@keithrichards4296
@keithrichards4296 4 ай бұрын
Absolutely mind blown by the Germanium, I didn't expect that. Smooth as butter in your voice, the 'S' sound is just precious.
@Russplight
@Russplight 6 жыл бұрын
The API 512C is so SMOOTH! I really like the Neve 1073.
@CharleyMarionsMusic
@CharleyMarionsMusic 2 жыл бұрын
I was feeling you needed a touch of eq until I heard the Shadow Hills... to me the best for your vocals but they all can emulate each other with a nice EQ :) Great review! 👏
@1kingstan795
@1kingstan795 3 жыл бұрын
I trust these recordings I can tell the difference been researching all this year and this is the icing on the cake helps me identify what sound I'm looking for an dodge a few bullets
@stanleyassor3172
@stanleyassor3172 5 жыл бұрын
The Neves, the BAEs, the Edwards, Avedis and Burls, hell of em!
@agdm11
@agdm11 3 жыл бұрын
BAE 1073 and UA610 are so lovely on his vocals, silky.
@abemillettmusic
@abemillettmusic 4 жыл бұрын
Love Chandler Germanium!!!! That’s hands down all about the tone I go for. Wunder is beautiful. Used a large format console for years in San Fran. Amazing gear. (Except it picks up Mexican radio, even the large console did that)
@IamScroticus
@IamScroticus 5 жыл бұрын
Eff'ing fantastic service you have provided!!! The most useful shootout I've come across in a long time! There were a few things I found interesting. First thing is just how similar so many of these were an, how edgy the top end was on most of those that sounded alike. Makes me think most are copying the same basic design, wink, wink. The only two that really stood out for me were the Manley, which was smooth as butter but not muddy or slow sounding, and the Electrodyne, which sounded like the records I grew up on so many years ago. The tonality was pleasant and laid back while the low mids were pushed ever so slightly into the pleasant range. I also dug the Gamma with Steel engaged but was totally underwhelmed by the Wonder and the Portico, which makes me sad.
@brianjones3584
@brianjones3584 3 жыл бұрын
They all sound good! Can’t go wrong with any!
@bruhdamartinasty3636
@bruhdamartinasty3636 Жыл бұрын
Exactly. 99% of the people in this thread are pretending to be fine wine connoisseurs. There's just no way to tell from a KZbin video.
@jthompson2379
@jthompson2379 3 жыл бұрын
If you haven't listened to the song this vocal is from, check it out!! It's called "Ok," and it's an awesome song with ethereal chord progressions and gorgeous, rich vocal harmonies that just come soaring in out of nowhere. The vocal makes so much more sense in context, and the song itself is excellent.🌅 🌌
@oskjan1
@oskjan1 2 жыл бұрын
That's SOME collection of great preamps! Was hoping for a Focusrite ISA in there, but you can't have it all. Thank you.
@musicproducer3569
@musicproducer3569 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks you friends for all your hard work, much appreciated.
@MariodeSa_Music
@MariodeSa_Music 3 жыл бұрын
Avedis MA5, BAE 1073, Great River MP2NV lovely bottom end and solid. Inward connections seem to be the closest to actual sound. API 512C, just because it is an awesome dependable workhorse at a decent price. love my 3124. But Avedis is the fullest and most appealing in my opinion.. Listening mainly to the low end. If the lows and mids are not solid, a mix always seems lacking in body. When bass and low mids are nice and grounded, everything else easily falls into place. Beautiful and very effective comparison test. Thank you very much.
@daveharris2234
@daveharris2234 6 ай бұрын
What a pleasant video. Thank you. I was really impressed by that Edwards LE-10 and the Manley Core. I wish that the RND 511 would have had a clip with the Silk engaged and one with the UA-610 impedance set to high.
@ChudLife
@ChudLife 2 жыл бұрын
Neve 1073LB and Chandler Mkii together in one mix is basically all you need for at home recordings. Neve: Focusrite: 0:31 3:14 0:40 3:25 0:50 3:35 Just for fun.. ears forget quickly.
@willsantos3781
@willsantos3781 5 жыл бұрын
That Skibbie 736 surprised the shit out of me. Sounds amazing!
@onetinyspeaker
@onetinyspeaker 4 жыл бұрын
It's actually, "Skibbe". These were built by Bill Skibbe and Jessica Ruffins. I believed these were modeled these after the Flickinger console in Benton Harbor, MI "Key Club Recording Co." studio that originally belonged to Sly Stone (maybe another one by Parliament?). Flickinger was probably one of the best consoles ever made (not very many were built.) I don't know where they all. Bill probably does. One belonged to the Association and was used as a live console --recently up on Reverb or VK. One was down in Muscle Shoals another at Fame, Ike & Tina Turner had one as well as Ray Stevens, Johnny Cash, Paragon, Boston and a few other locations. Flick also made very musical EQ's and an INCREDIBLE limiter. I believe Bill is working out the EQ in a 500 module soon as well. A friend of mine who works along-side Bill sold me some of the 535-7 opamps they use in this exact preamp. There should be a new batch of these 500 modules available soon. I think this preamp is WAY overlooked and a secret weapon. As a bit of "cred" to these consoles. A friend of mine was a lead tech engineer at Heider Studios back in the 60's/70's and has nothing but, gracious words about the Flickinger console.
@TylerBurnsOfficial
@TylerBurnsOfficial 4 жыл бұрын
It's got a strange resonance, to my ears.
@neworksound
@neworksound 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the excellent shootout! For me, I can finally put to rest the preamp debate. Listening through AKG 371 wired cans, yes there are differences, but they are so subtle! Some options are a little more airy, some have a little more bottom end, some have a little more definition in the mids, but not to the point of making a huge difference at all, not really, for me at least. Not to the point that a little EQ would help balance the ground between them. I am happy to see thay my pair of RND 511 that I got second hand at a ridicously price, are hanging there with the best, and actually sound very fresh, modern to my ears, and without the silk. Also surprised that the Focursite preamps stood their ground against the others. I won't ever think of outboard preamps anymore. I might just sell the IGS Neve clone that I was expecting to arrive home soon, stick to my RND pre's and get something more usefull, like a new virtual instrument, an Audioscape V3A compressor, some ribbon mic, or a radial pedal interface instead... Case closed, thank you very much!...Move, next.
@jonunderscore
@jonunderscore 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. This comparison was very liberating for me. At the end of the day, despite the subtle differences, it just sounds like that guy's vocal performance.
@samchoate1719
@samchoate1719 Жыл бұрын
finally somebody says it lol... here I am looking at the $2500 BAE 1073d thinking it will solve my problems, but the real problem is I haven't shared my music with the world today.
@garyshirinian
@garyshirinian 2 жыл бұрын
Thx for sharing. They all sound good. For me was bae 1073, 610 Manley was amazing also Avedis.
@NinthDensity
@NinthDensity Жыл бұрын
The BAE is really something else. By far the most pleasing to me. The GAMA seems like it has an insane amount of headroom. The Grace is also really nice, extremely transparent but never harsh. The rest were just good.
@ChimeTunes
@ChimeTunes Жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting this together. I often come back to this for unequivocal evidence of how much of a negligible difference pre-amps make and how much misinformation was spread on my university course. As an excellent comment below stated, this is absolutely a case “The Emperor’s New Clothes”. A story upheld by all who gain to benefit from it and believe by those they can exploit. Every discernible difference these expensive preamps make from each other can be adjusted with mild EQing. Don’t fall into the trap of believing it ✌️
@seanobrien7568
@seanobrien7568 Жыл бұрын
Yea!
@corvinking4996
@corvinking4996 5 ай бұрын
That depends on your use. For me as a voice actor, I can tell a significant difference when it comes to detail, noise, and clarity. If I’m trying to create a human experience for the listener, while hiding the processing, it matters. For music though, maybe not
@christopherJSmokeandMirrors
@christopherJSmokeandMirrors 4 ай бұрын
Resale value and dependability are factors. Not just sound. You get what you pay for most times.
@corvinking4996
@corvinking4996 4 ай бұрын
I agree@@christopherJSmokeandMirrors
@djdanger9812
@djdanger9812 3 ай бұрын
If your a mixing engineer good luck finding that last 10% of the sound you've been trying to achieve because its mostly in the pres. This demonstration isn't pushing the input to highlight each pres unique colour in an obvious way, tho it is definitely still audible.
@littleoakstudio4254
@littleoakstudio4254 4 жыл бұрын
the clarette pre really holds its own here for its price!
@ZiyangJiangSheep
@ZiyangJiangSheep 4 жыл бұрын
agreed
@user-hy4xz1qt9h
@user-hy4xz1qt9h 3 жыл бұрын
saturation knob is free
@225maine
@225maine 3 жыл бұрын
@@user-hy4xz1qt9h lol good joke
@xfloodcasual8124
@xfloodcasual8124 2 жыл бұрын
If youre listening on a good system its clearly the worst
@gunjabeans
@gunjabeans 2 жыл бұрын
I was surprised how good it was too. My original MBox From ProTools circa 2004 had focusrite pres in it and it was amazing.
@kosmo_komputer
@kosmo_komputer 2 жыл бұрын
this is probably the best preamp comparison demo for vocals on youtube
@marcusdolby1
@marcusdolby1 2 жыл бұрын
The Chandler has such a warm even tone. I like it !!
@crescentmoon54
@crescentmoon54 5 жыл бұрын
Great demonstration!!! Thank-you!!
@okaight7248
@okaight7248 Жыл бұрын
My favorites were the Daking, the Edwards LE-10, and the Grace Design. They made the voice sound the most balanced and it sounds like their frequency response is more in line to pleasantly affect his specific vocal range. Everything is useable but may have sounded too wooly, dark, thuddy, brittle, honky, or combinations of all these for my taste. Thanks for the comparison!
@zacharylanning4565
@zacharylanning4565 5 жыл бұрын
the ones that stood out to me were: Bae 1073, Chandler, Shadow hills would be great for a rock and aggressive vocal, Edwards, and I think that Pheonix stood out a bit. Also the purple biz.
@garyharrison8891
@garyharrison8891 4 жыл бұрын
Zachary Lanning I agree, I also liked the Burl. I thought the Edwards, BAE, chandler worked well with the mic, and the voice.
@FlankinspanK
@FlankinspanK 5 жыл бұрын
very cool. very subtle but just noticeable differences mainly in top end air mids and presence between them all. I prefer the sound of some but will these differences matter? I think mic and placement will be bigger factors.
@sisupat
@sisupat 5 жыл бұрын
Very interesting results, Thanks Giulio! Would you be able to make the .WAV files available via dropbox or some other file site?
@maxaeonmusic
@maxaeonmusic Жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this. The BAE is my favorite. The Neve seems to have a tad more articulation, but the BAE is smooth and detailed. Have you ever used the 88rlb? It seem more open and cleaner than the Neve 1073.
@dededragon8877
@dededragon8877 2 жыл бұрын
Among these, the BAE 1073 has a well-balanced sound with a good core and a good vintage feel.
@Geo-van
@Geo-van 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this work. Great !
@siriusfun
@siriusfun 5 жыл бұрын
The BURL B1 is like the love child of the 73 and the 512. My personal favourite for that reason.
@plan4studios977
@plan4studios977 5 жыл бұрын
So where did you actually hear that? Is that your opinion or did Burl actually advertise them as being sort of in the middle of those 2 preamps?
@dannyho6786
@dannyho6786 5 жыл бұрын
I would put the Burl ay
@dannyho6786
@dannyho6786 5 жыл бұрын
at my # 3
@nicholasriley4729
@nicholasriley4729 4 жыл бұрын
I agree! The burl sounds great! It represents the signal the best IMHO with natural highs, lows, etc. As much as I love traditional neve-style pre's, the low end and top end can get a little carried away all too often (over-emphasizing sibilance and rumble).
@2ndAveScents
@2ndAveScents 4 жыл бұрын
I really like the B1D but idk if I like it enough to buy a 500 series chassis.
@stillphil
@stillphil 4 жыл бұрын
Focusrite Clarett SURPRISE
@enriquekikzdelapazbichain1126
@enriquekikzdelapazbichain1126 3 жыл бұрын
@@loredanamassini3656 u okay?
@danielpennington3081
@danielpennington3081 3 жыл бұрын
@@enriquekikzdelapazbichain1126 I heard an immediate sibilance in the high end (around 4-5k or so) that wasn't BAD but not nearly as pleasing as most of the other options.
@user-hy4xz1qt9h
@user-hy4xz1qt9h 3 жыл бұрын
😂
@karma_moths
@karma_moths 5 жыл бұрын
Great Video, really helpful- one of the best for comparing mic pres - nice one! Had a listen through headphones and studio monitors plus some generic desktop pc speakers. Obviously it's subjective but I thought the Bae had a bigger sound than any of the others including the neve 1073 although I think compared to the neve it sounds a bit " wooly " in the lower frequencies. Believe it or not in Englandat least, a Bae 1073 is more expensive than a Neve if thats anything to go by.
@studiomoodyinc.7039
@studiomoodyinc.7039 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome shootout ty!!!
@xXxAmadeuzxXx
@xXxAmadeuzxXx 5 жыл бұрын
This is the freaking best preamp shootout!!!!!!!!!
@astrangeandmysteriouspodca7168
@astrangeandmysteriouspodca7168 Жыл бұрын
BAE 1073 for me but the RND 511 sounds amazing and controlled. Fantastic comparisons.
@GimmeDangerRecords
@GimmeDangerRecords 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, the shadow hills and skibbe spoke to me
@vlaudio1667
@vlaudio1667 2 жыл бұрын
¡¡¡Felicitaciones!!! Muchas Gracias!
@shaft9000
@shaft9000 Жыл бұрын
_Bravissimo!_ Outstanding demo, my dude. ***for the relative noobs*** : Most of any of these will serve solo instrumentalists and singers just fine. It's when you are mixing many tracks and needing to mitigate whatever the rooms, mics or performers are doing that may be sub-optimal - that is when the hand-built, hand-biased and calibrated circuits really tend to make the most difference in the end result. And your monitors matter a lot here, or you won't be hearing much difference! Anyway, [personally coming from a M160, 2x little blondies, 797/SP C1 and SM57 into an early UA LA-610 and ISA 428 mk1] the Chandler is the sound of desire - the balance of vibe and natural musicality shines every time I hear one working. that Grace 101 is still as detailed and smooth as ever 15 yrs on, and the Daking a bit more lively in a similar respect. BAE 1073 stays smooth and big as it tracks and flatters the mid-to-lowend fundamental like nobody's business. Similar but not as commanding were the Avedis, GR and Gama...the Purple sounds like too many steroids. the 312a thinner but better detailed and very nicely present to help mix a lead vocal into a denser mix. Love the API and Phoenix for their balance and ability + character. RND 511's mids sound a little odd here, perhaps not the best mate to mic or singer. Manley and the Fearn sound like 2nd cousins just born a few decades apart. otoh, that Magnum hardly bettered the Clarette with it's bizarre resonances and ringing...yuck lol! The Wunder had a similar problem in fewer regions. Skribble smeared the sibilants from that KSM32 too much, imho. The Millennia exhibits an impressive yet plastick-y ability to track and emphasis upper partials, here it's sounding peculiarly 2D but I suspect that it can cut through a busy mix easier than many other pres can.
@jsnell126
@jsnell126 2 жыл бұрын
BAE 1073. Clean, clear, not too harsh. No bad mids sticking through.
@TylerBurnsOfficial
@TylerBurnsOfficial 4 жыл бұрын
My favorites (for this microphone and vocalist) were: Daking, Great River, and Avedis MA5. API and Electrodyne are runners up.
@jamescassidy4045
@jamescassidy4045 3 жыл бұрын
The Daking, really eh! Interesting!
@pete3816
@pete3816 3 жыл бұрын
Great observation - ‘this mic and vocalist’. Most people here just don’t get it. It’s all gotta be judged in context.
@sugarnap245
@sugarnap245 2 жыл бұрын
The Manley and RPN 511 really stood out to me. Wish you demoed the Chandler TG2 too though! Great shootout. Also, the Great River sounded.. well.. great. There were a few others that were impressive but forgettable for me. The 511 has a clarity that feels almost three dimensional and futuristic. It’s really quite good. Dig the API also. I think I’m pulling the trigger on a 511, a CAPI VP26, and an AML EZ1073. The BAE is nice but the AML does the same job at a much better price if you can solder. Also would like to echo another comment and add another perspective… while these pres may sound great on their own, and subtle in a mix, if you stack every track recorded with the same pre, it will be much more noticeable in a mix. Also, tube on tube on tube may not always be the best. I use a 47 clone with the 610 right now, and it’s great, but matching mics to different preamps appropriately can give a mix so much more life and sonic differentiation between parts. Cheers!
@sorbetprod
@sorbetprod 4 жыл бұрын
I like the chandler a lot, its bottom end has something I seems to like
@mpoulin5184
@mpoulin5184 4 жыл бұрын
RND 511 is an incredible preamp, I have two
@michaelpfalk9007
@michaelpfalk9007 4 ай бұрын
Daking, Electrodyne, Neve Portico and Chandler Germanium all hav an openness and a smooth midrange that I quite like.
@samuliauno8163
@samuliauno8163 7 ай бұрын
Thank you for the nice singing and making the effort. Definitely helps me in selecting the most suitable models for my studio. ...a.k.a. the preamps on my Focusrite interface. The differences between these preamps, while definitely there, are not worth the price tag for me.
@fl7210
@fl7210 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, nice video… very useful. Can tell the differences even on phone speakers
@bikesnbeerz
@bikesnbeerz 4 жыл бұрын
Burl/Daking FTW for 500 series. Listen to those quiet parts, wow.
@vinceisdead6063
@vinceisdead6063 4 жыл бұрын
Burl was perfect for the style and voice
@preciseaudioblog
@preciseaudioblog 3 жыл бұрын
Impressed by the BAE
@benjaminmagambo3849
@benjaminmagambo3849 4 жыл бұрын
the BAE is unbeatable! The way it handles the mids harsh frequencies is just great. My second choice would be the Chandler
@casinodeathfish8703
@casinodeathfish8703 5 жыл бұрын
Listened to this several times on different occasions through headphones. Top 3 for me were: Daking 500 pre, Phoenix DRS-1R, API 512c. All 3 revealed more detail (most notable during some of the singer's softer consonants at the end of passages. Most of the other pre's completely missed some of this!
@EliteOnTheBeat
@EliteOnTheBeat 2 жыл бұрын
Thats cute....but they don't sound better than the Shadow hills, Rupert neve, UA 610.....But hey to each their own.
@oscarrivas7240
@oscarrivas7240 Жыл бұрын
@@EliteOnTheBeat Let me guess, you own the Shadow Hills, Rupert Neve, UA 610?
@byus6928
@byus6928 3 жыл бұрын
RND 511. Crazy it’s clear but not overly bright. Controlled very nicely. The fern was nice too. The worst I think was the burl and the purple
@OllertonMD
@OllertonMD Жыл бұрын
Years later I still consider this to be the absolute best preamp shootout on the internet. It inspired me to get the Daking and sell my grace and it was a really pleasing change for the projects I was working on at the time.
@soundslikeben
@soundslikeben 3 жыл бұрын
I love your songwriting. What preamp do you prefer for electric bass?
@miablack
@miablack 4 жыл бұрын
Hi do u know how a Quartet would fit between the 610, 511 & 1073 ? ....... Also Is there any plugins that have that 511 silk feature ?
@giuliocarmassi
@giuliocarmassi 4 жыл бұрын
Mia Black the apogee quartet would be most similar to the 511 and maybe to the focusrite. Also focusrite has the “air” function which is similar in a way to the silk. The 610 and the 1073 will be substantially warmer in the low mids, especially when pushed.
@miablack
@miablack 4 жыл бұрын
Giulio Carmassi thank you 😊😊
@miablack
@miablack 4 жыл бұрын
Giulio Carmassi sorry for annoying u again. How would a SSL Pre compare ? (We just started using an SE RNT NEVE Mic with a Quartet) she has a smooth enough voice tone.
@daleverse2012
@daleverse2012 4 жыл бұрын
Neve 1073 winner to my ears, Damn!! Now I've go to buy another Preamp, 16 and counting.
@RUGBYmusic
@RUGBYmusic 3 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU SO MUCH
@danontheair
@danontheair 4 жыл бұрын
Crazy... they all sound the same to me. Listening through a pair of DT 770 pro.
@EandVEntertainment
@EandVEntertainment 6 жыл бұрын
I love the BAE. It sounds similar to my Dan Alexander with the original Marinar transformers.
@chrisgarrison1323
@chrisgarrison1323 4 жыл бұрын
Is that the white faced ones? I have one - love it
@TheGregs91
@TheGregs91 5 жыл бұрын
why the hell reverb?...
@stanleyassor3172
@stanleyassor3172 4 жыл бұрын
@@rikkousa yeah, why
@FrancoContreras05
@FrancoContreras05 4 жыл бұрын
I agree. Depending the work s frecuency in the preamplifier, and the tone of the voice, the reverb can be influence your ears to think that sounds great only for that little thing. We talk about great preamps and meticulous variations. but the reverb can lie very much
@FrancoContreras05
@FrancoContreras05 4 жыл бұрын
I agree. Depending the work s frecuency in the preamplifier, and the tone of the voice, the reverb can be influence your ears to think that sounds great only for that little thing. We talk about great preamps and meticulous variations. but the reverb can lie very much
@supremo-official
@supremo-official 5 жыл бұрын
Great shootout! Which a/d converters did you use? Thanks
@mitchkroener
@mitchkroener 4 жыл бұрын
I thought the crescendo and overall dynamics sounded best on the UA 610, but can’t decide why. The focusrite stock pre was no slouch though, I must say
@CyrilleBoucanogh
@CyrilleBoucanogh 4 жыл бұрын
Tell us please how was this test done. Did you split the mic signal before sending it to all the preamps at the same time or you already pre-recorded the voice with some transparent preamp and then reamped it again with these items in different studios?
@ModusVivendiMedia
@ModusVivendiMedia Ай бұрын
Shadow Hills Gama (nickel mode) was the only on that really stood out, head and shoulders above all the others. Wow!
@patricedhautcourt1
@patricedhautcourt1 3 жыл бұрын
Great test ! Thank you ! I would have appreciate to hear a Yamaha cl preamp just to hear the difference. ;-)
@fernandolouismiramontes2520
@fernandolouismiramontes2520 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this shootout. The reverb sounds quite different on Fearn. Any particular reason for this?
@MasterLeuban
@MasterLeuban 4 жыл бұрын
Neve 1073 & Bae 1073, me quedo con el Neve😍
@_jajajaja_
@_jajajaja_ 5 жыл бұрын
This confirms to me that if you've got a good voice, you'll sound good through anything. They all have their subtleties, but it's completely subjective what sounds best.
@reven6e531
@reven6e531 4 жыл бұрын
jajajaja stfu
@tanonamusic2198
@tanonamusic2198 4 жыл бұрын
Yes. most important is the source.. the electronics play a smaller role. The best/different electronics will bring out the best qualities of the performance for sure. But the "best" electronics will provide the most detail, which may or may not be the best thing for that particular singer/musician.
@samnicholson5051
@samnicholson5051 2 жыл бұрын
And/or a good mic.
@rudolfwormstall1196
@rudolfwormstall1196 3 жыл бұрын
Most AMS owners disliked the tone of the BAE variant. Personally I regard the BAE as possible alternative when tasked with recording slow music. You have to consider that a bass region that sounds "loose" and a bit "static" will find it difficult follow the dynamic execution of rhythmic patterns but instead will deliver sort of a resonant ring that lacks dynamism and tightness. Thank you for this great comparison.
@gutshisalamanca1191
@gutshisalamanca1191 2 жыл бұрын
Very well put :)
@VicHightaian
@VicHightaian 4 жыл бұрын
Vintage King is a Great Shop! Liked that Germanium Chandler! can't go wrong with the 1073 or 312
@leonard1893
@leonard1893 5 жыл бұрын
I actually really like the RND 511, it sounds really ''controlled'' in a way...
@audiogroupe
@audiogroupe 4 жыл бұрын
You're right. And the Silk fonction bring more attitude ! Really good one
@soundcore6166
@soundcore6166 4 жыл бұрын
Nice high end
@jamescassidy4045
@jamescassidy4045 3 жыл бұрын
Ya dude, I thought the same. It definitely wasnt to bright or sibilant , seemed to control that stuff well, but wasnt to dark or anything. Super balanced!! Good ear!
@HectorGallegosmusic
@HectorGallegosmusic 4 жыл бұрын
This is easy...That Great River is the best for this mic and vocalist. Beautiful!
@jamescassidy4045
@jamescassidy4045 3 жыл бұрын
Good ear. Id say so too. Other than the GR, Id give it to the BAE. In solo anyways!
@itskidleo
@itskidleo 3 жыл бұрын
So the picture of the first amp is the BAE 1073MPL 500 Series, not the real expensive one lol so just making sure is the vocals in this video coming from the one priced at 995.00 or the one over $2500???
@mikedennis6979
@mikedennis6979 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you !!
@musicgalaxy8832
@musicgalaxy8832 6 жыл бұрын
Great shutout! But missing in my opinion the best Mic Pre of all time...The Chandler TG2 500 with the magic Fine Gain. But all pretty close, except some minor color differences. The RND 511 is also a very pleasant modern Mic Pre.
@giuliocarmassi
@giuliocarmassi 6 жыл бұрын
wasn't really up to me! It was just what was available that day at the store! It's amazing how subjective all these things are too, and how dependent on the mix they are. Some sources sound amazing solo-ed through a warm pre and then you put them in the mix and take all the low end out to make them cut through, and might have as well been recorded through a toy karaoke mic from 1988. :) I've changed a million pres through my life and stuff still sounds like the mix i wanted anyway, because i end up EQing things to my subjective liking. I think they metter the most, the more you do simple acoustic chamber music and less and less the more you do complex electric productions.
@musicgalaxy8832
@musicgalaxy8832 6 жыл бұрын
Giulio Carmassi Absolutely! This video will help many people to pick up their favourite😉
@Furybeatsgme
@Furybeatsgme 2 жыл бұрын
The bae 1073 was good, Manley, the skibble was my second favorite, the 610 sounded great as well but by far with that mic the shadow hills was the most in your face but very smooth on that high note.
@zonkola
@zonkola 6 жыл бұрын
On the Wunder Cobalt: Was the voice speaking in the background someone in the studio, or did it pick up a radio signal?
@IamScroticus
@IamScroticus 5 жыл бұрын
It was a guy in the studio and it was on all the recordings.
@nicholasriley4729
@nicholasriley4729 4 жыл бұрын
lol no it was definitely AM or FM radio being picked up
@fourthtunz
@fourthtunz 4 жыл бұрын
someone talking on all of the samples but did also hear some radio. The phoenix was one of my favs very balanced. They're all so close pick one or 2 and start making music!
@ArthurStone
@ArthurStone 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome. Thanks. Great vocal. So many nice pre's for different uses. The BAE has some pixie dust; the new Manley is like a lighter version. Really interesting to make comparisons.
@junnunaumanen6672
@junnunaumanen6672 5 жыл бұрын
Is that Wunder Audio unit picking up AM radio? 😅
@James-Felsch-Officiel
@James-Felsch-Officiel Ай бұрын
C'est une Onde des '70...
@Brutuscomedy
@Brutuscomedy Жыл бұрын
The Burl sounds fantastic imo.
@AMusicalPsychosis
@AMusicalPsychosis 3 жыл бұрын
Anyone else digging tf out of the Electrodyne 501?
@discoverys6022
@discoverys6022 3 жыл бұрын
BAE 1073 and burl are beautiful!
@YOLO-pj3hh
@YOLO-pj3hh Жыл бұрын
For me the winners are Neve 1073LB and Manley Core. Definitely the best of the best, two beast preamps.
@joshkorody7376
@joshkorody7376 Жыл бұрын
BAE is the winner for me. I have two in 19" but want to get a 500 series version as well for my portable rig.
@seunghyunsung4438
@seunghyunsung4438 3 жыл бұрын
I have a problem. Which of these should I buy? 1.Elysia Skulpter / 2.AMS 1073LB / 3.Rupert Neve 511 or 517 / 4.API 512 ...
@jiveamusic
@jiveamusic Жыл бұрын
great stuff! It is worth noting though that these vocal takes are not all the same. Some of the performances are faster, stronger, etc, which can skew perception.
@alanhaynes418
@alanhaynes418 Жыл бұрын
The differences were fascinating but relatively minor - they pale into insignificance when compared to mic choice, positioning, acoustics of the recording space etc. etc.
@juandiegocardosopolania4860
@juandiegocardosopolania4860 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Giulio, Is there any posibilite we can get the wav files ? Thank You
@dannyho6786
@dannyho6786 5 жыл бұрын
Bae 1073/Chandler- 2 favorites
@NightingaleStudios
@NightingaleStudios 4 жыл бұрын
I Iove the BAE!!!
@zanza_the_rewolverine
@zanza_the_rewolverine 4 жыл бұрын
which will be the best pre amp 500 series to record rap vocals in your opinion?
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