284 Winchester - Hottest New Long Range Cartridge?

[@mathiasness9635]

I have a 6.5 284 and it’s a beast.

[@buddy22801012]

The 28 caliber is catching on! It took us a long time to realize Paul Mauser knew his stuff back in 1892.

[@louissehovski3291]

Originally the 284 was in the Winchester model 88 lever action it couldn't be loaded to it's full potential(so I've read),I have a 98 mauser action chambered in 284 ,it's a great shòoter,fun to experiment with loads in the Lyman manual

[@awsomedude12345678]

You do realize the 270 is a .284 right?

[@wawheeler21]

@@awsomedude12345678 no the .270 is .277"

[@HAYAOLEONE]

.277 or .284, 9.3 or .375. 4 calibers to do almost everything with 'big' bullets.

[@awsomedude12345678]

@@wawheeler21 yes thats my bad its the same as the 7mm

[@bobwills7607]

6.5x284 is another wildcat that kicked butt!!!

[@bmonty1915]

What a great round! So the .284 was doing a lot of the same things as the infamous 6.5 Creedmoor; just 50 years earlier. Just goes to show you that timing and marketing is everything.

[@wildcat_reloading]

Alot of the old chamberibgs are making a come back because of how powder and bullets have advanced

[@Smokincreekadventures]

The 264 win mag was a prime example

[@life_of_riley88]

6.5x55 Swede does just about as much as the 6.5 Creedmoor with lower cup pressures. Lower cup pressure means less wear on chamber throats and barrels. There is very little new technology in the firearms world.

[@14goldmedals]

The 6.5 creedmoor cannot compete against the 284 Win. Open F-class shows us what works at 1000 yards and the 284 Win reaches way, way farther as a target bullet.

[@Predalien195]

Yes, but 6.5 is doing it in a short action rifle vs a long action. Don't get me wrong, as the saying goes "Anything under the sun" is true. Nothing is new, just reinvented or reimagined. That said, there are distinct advantages to each caliber. If we're talking strictly what something can do on paper it's not hard to determine which is superior, but if we're talking availability and practicality, there's a huge difference between the two.

[@swishswish386]

This guy is very knowledgeable, likable and easy to listen to👍👍👍 Further to this he doesn't "crap on" and pump himself up etc. which unfortunately seems to be the very irritating trend on many shooting channels. I have just subbed !! Greetings from Australia

[@bocconom]

Fully agree. Ron doesn't waste words or time; the man is a walking encyclopedia and a great respecter of the history of cartridges and guns, . I avoid many shooting channels not only because of the "crap on" and the legend in their own minds mentality but also because many have a narrow understanding of what is 'good."

[@gunman-6646]

I totally agree with you!

[@dakotawaalkens7303]

Oh, You mean like David Petzal? I respect his knowledge and experiences but that gentleman is just plain grumpy and opinionated.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thank you Swish. I shall endeavor to remain humble, which shouldn't be difficult because I screw up to often to get cocky. And my wife reminds me.

[@kentuckywindage222]

Ron is a straight shooter! He pulls no punches and let's facts do the talking.

[@duaneholcomb8408]

Never shot the 284. But the 270. Has always been a favorite of mine.

[@easttexan2933]

When ammo was plentiful, one still could not find 284 Win at the local gunshop or at Academy, or at Walmart, or just about anywhere. 7mmMag? Everywhere !! All day long. I don't like excessive recoil so I don't shoot a 7mmMag anymore. I prefer my 7x57 and my 6.5 Swede. 140gr pills at 2650fps in commercial ammo. I'm happy.

[@jackmitchell3118]

My ole win 88 acquired in 1964 is Still harvesting elk,deer,and bear For me

[@exothermal.sprocket]

7mm/.284 is a sweet spot in power, range, recoil, and with enough oomph does the job on big game. Peterson Cartridge (sold exclusively through Graf & Sons) just north of Pittsburgh, PA makes match grade brass for .284 Winchester.

[@Rampant_Colt]

This, 6.5×55 Swede, and the (6.5-284 recently) have been my favorite since I was a kid. I really regret trading my M94 Swede! Hopefully this old Winchester cartridge makes a big comeback when folks realize its true potential

[@arnoldgrubbs2005]

Dig it! - Loving the 6.5-284 lapua..(same as 284 win but longer standard throat for heavy projectiles) Have built 3 on 98 mauser actions, and 2 others on different actions. Still have a 96 6.5x55 Swede myself, but usually grab the 6.5x284.

[@johnganshow5536]

I knew a couple of guys in Juneau in the 80s who were serious Dall Sheep hunters and went north every August/September. They had custom built bolt action rifles chambered in 284...

[@blairajdean]

Could have saved some money with a 30-06 ….. my dad has a Dall sheep from the Yukon he shot in the 80’s

[@philliphill4763]

Another fantastic history lesson accompanied by wisdom for the future!

[@jimmiefarris4218]

Had a 284 in 1964,loved that rifle and so very accurate. Was a custom made rifle, Fajen stock, Douglas premium barrel. Still wish I had that rifle. 😪

[@jeffcopenhaver2217]

I’d love to see the 284 Win make a comeback, but the queen of my 7mm court has been and always will be the 7x57.

[@Mark-uq9km]

7x57 is one great and historic round.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Can't blame you for picking that one, Jeff.

[@brandtwebber5761]

It really is a great round.

[@lagermat]

I wish Winchester, Remington, or one of the other big manufacturers would consistently chamber a rifle in 7x57. If I could get a rifle in that caliber it would be my go to.

[@MrMalicious5]

284 Win and a lot of it's variants have been all over F-Class and Benchrest for years.

[@williammcclelland6789]

Thank you sir for teaching me something today. This is a cartridge that , for whatever reason, I have overlooked over the years. But now, you have me thinking.

[@MJA5]

I think it's very interesting when an old cartridge peeks over the wall and gets noticed. I suspect the people who designed cartridges back 60 years ago were as brilliant as the people are now, and all without computer simulations, so even more impressive in the end. The 284 Winchester is older than I am, and I guarantee it shoots straighter 😄

[@jmkhenka]

As someone said, they learned what there was to be learned 100 years ago. Engineers, geniuses at that, spend thousands of hours developing the modern brass cartridges we use today. All we got today is good marketing departments. But to that, the market has changed a bit with modern boat tail bullets as most designs was flat based in the early days. And boat tail bullets need diffrent barrel designs/twist rates due to lenght. But the cases themselfe are no more irrelevant today, take the 6.5x55 swedish that is 130 years old today and still competes with modern variants like the creedmoor. But modern PR does what modern PR does, makes people think the old thing is irrelevant. Sometimes more is not better - take the 6.5-300 or 6.5 PRC. Neither does anything people misses in existing 6.5 offerings. 6.8 western is another example. A 270 with better twist rate barrel and more freebore is a better choice, or the 270 wsm.

[@thepiedpiper-i7x]

You got it 👍

[@lawrencecardente533]

@@jmkhenka I agree with you about the twist rate in the 270, speed it up to 1in 8 and the 270 western/short mag/Nosler/Weatherby mag, all go away.

[@sergioantoniolazzaro1995]

@@lawrencecardente533 yo no estoy deACUERDO CON USTED, USE PUNTAS DE 150 Y 165 EN MI 270, EL SPIND DRIFT ME VOLVIO LOCO Y LAS BALAS NO EXPANDIERON, SI TENGO DINERO PARA UN SEGUNDO RIFLE IRE AL 7 RM

[@leeeng478]

Considering it is the year 2022 and we are just catching up to our accomplishments in the 1960's when America could produce and make anything. Saturn V rockets 1967 carried the heaviest lift capabilities ever. As of 2021, the Saturn V remains the only launch vehicle to carry humans beyond low Earth orbit, as well as the tallest, heaviest, and most powerful (highest total impulse) rocket ever brought to operational status. It holds records for the heaviest payload launched and largest payload capacity to low Earth orbit (LEO) of 310,000 lb (140,000 kg), which included the third stage and unburned propellant needed to send the Apollo command and service module and Lunar Module to the Moon. We have actually lost massive capabilities and overall IQ's have dropped 3%. We have less capabilities in a world of smart phones and computers does not always represent reality!

[@pistonwhisperer]

Greetings from France, I love the 284 but here in France 284 ammo is like rocking horse poo, I have just managed to get 100.unprimed cases in the UK but had to part with a kidney, nolasco in Northern France do a 30.284 conversion on milsurps but are out of stock as are every other supplier, looks like the flint lock will be coming out if this shortage carry on Have fun and keep the faith

[@demonrathunter]

THANKS RON !

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

You are most welcomed, sir.

[@carllovendale6259]

Ron, you nailed it again. I was 12 years old in 1963 and i remember the 284 when it first came out. My dads friend baught one in a model 100 Winchester. My uncles all gathered around and looked, and talked about it. What a great experience for a young kid to listen in on that conversion about this new and interesting cartridge. I was on the verge of becoming a hunter. The memories. Thanks Ron.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Neat memory, Carl. Thanks for sharing.

[@beestoe993]

My favorite caliber is 7mm. Anything you can do with a .30 cal, you can do with a 7mm with less recoil and a flatter trajectory and the available bullet selection is huge. I would LOVE to see a passel of NEW 284 Win rifles hit the store shelves. That would be great. I think it is one of the best cartridge designs ever.

[@TheEigerclimber]

I STILL THINK YOU ARE THE BEST PERSON TO TALK ABOUT AND COMPARE THE 308 FAMILY OF CARTRIDGES AND THE 284 FAMILY. THANKS FOR THE GREAT INFORMATION! HAVE A FANTASTIC DAY!!!!!!!

[@RonSpomerOutdoorscom]

Thanks, Climber.

[@melaninabsentgenetics3626]

Any time a classic/ original is popular I'm happy! Dang new fangled technology! Replacing cartridges and arms that work great with plastic/ carbon... Thanks for some classic presentation.

[@larryeddings3185]

Savage also chambered the Model 99C in 284 Winchester. I recently purchased one made in 1966. Fortunately, I also got some 150 grain Winchester factory ammo with the rifle. At the range, it shot very well, with 100 yard groups averaging a bit less than 1.5 inches. For a 54 year old rifle and my 69 year old eyes, I'm calling that good enough to hunt with.

[@peterdiebel7372]

Awesome chat on the underated 284. One of my favourites was and still is The 358 win. How about it Ron. Thank you .

[@alaskalamb]

I second that!!! I have a rebarreled ruger scout in 358 and love it

[@randyschaff8939]

Hi Ron thanks for the chat that’s a good one all right. .30/06 is way easier to feed. I call it my .300/06 with the new powders and bullets out there available👍🤠

[@danielmaine45]

True statement! With the newer bullets and powders...the 30-06 is really getting into the original ballistics of the 300 win mag.

[@christianh8463]

I have been hunting with a .284 Browning A Bolt Micro Medallion since I was 6 years old. Still my favorite rifle to this day. Use a custom loaded 139 gr projectile moving at 3100 fps. Most drop where they stand havent ever had to track one yet.

[@patrickmarzo36]

Yes, I do agree: He's very knowledgeable, likeable and charismatic in his style. Great job Mr. Spomer

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thanks Patrick.

[@langleyj8199]

Thanks Ron.

[@blackie1of4]

Love the 284 Winchester... another two that were ahead of their time were the 350 Remington Mag & the 6.5 Remington Mag I owned them both and both were accurate as well.

[@waynestone6462]

Yes sir . Also the 358 win .

[@blackie1of4]

@@waynestone6462 I actually got my hands on a 358 Winchester.. Ruger put out a special run of 400 a few years back.. so I picked one up. I absolutely love the short action calibers!

[@jeffcopenhaver2217]

@@waynestone6462 In my opinion the 358 Winchester just might be the best eastern woods cartridge ever devised. It kills deer and black bear like the hammer of Thor, and you can eat right up to the hole. Unfortunately nowadays, everyone fancies themselves as snipers so the poor 358 gets overlooked.

[@waynestone6462]

@@jeffcopenhaver2217 Amen Brother . I love the 35 caliber .My late uncle killed a trophy Roosevelt's ELK with the 358 win. The 35 Remington is so popular in the eastern woods why not the 358 win ?

[@blackie1of4]

@@waynestone6462 haven't harvested anything yet with my 358 Winchester.. but every time I carry it.. I know it will do the job with authority! My two older brothers use the 300 Winchester.. to each his own. We are hunting the eastern woods of Pennsylvania. I've had my eye on the 35 Remington as well. A lot of hunter tote this 35 every year. This past season however.. I picked the 358's smaller brother and harvested a big bodied pennsylvania eight point. That was with a Tikka T3x Hunter chambered in 7mm-08 Remington.

[@nbonner75]

I always appreciate the history and perspective Ron brings to cartridges on the fringes of my radar

[@lesliewinters1301]

Ron, thanks. For the quality, dependable perspectives. You are here to help, .... and you sure do.

[@jjdias74]

Once again you're proving the Johnny come lately cartridges don't offer anything new. Keep making the great videos that you do.

[@nmelkhunter1]

Well said. I have an uncle who has used either a 30-06 or 7MM Rem Mag to kill everything on the North American continent, with the exception of the great bears. He also has a 280 Remington since he thinks it’s, in his words, a cartridge everyone should own. I tend to agree! But I’m biased since I killed my first mulie buck and buck antelope with his 280 Remington and 140 partitions. Take care and best of luck in the field.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thank you sir. I shall try.

[@bustabass9025]

No such thing as, "Johnny come lately" cartridges. What you are referring to is the results of continued research and development in rifle cartridge improvement and performance. As with anything, there is a standard that generally speaking performs well. But thanks to pioneering ballisticians like Roy Weatherby, John Nosler, Elmer Keith, and many others too numerous to mention here, the world of hunting and shooting continues to evolve, rather than remain stagnant in the era of days gone by. In short, there are many, better choices which consider many different factors, that probably didn't go into the development of the original cartridge.

[@nmelkhunter1]

@@bustabass9025 From a hunting perspective that’s silly. After all, big game animals haven’t changed.

[@bustabass9025]

@@nmelkhunter1 What's silly is the woefully narrow minded way in which you view progression. Hopefully, this is not indicative of your beliefs about how the real world works.

[@johnkaraphillis754]

In the early 90’s I picked up a Browning Micro Medallion in .284 Winchester for a stand I had in the hard woods hunting whitetails. I loved it and worked up some 140 Nosler Partitions with IMR 4350. Shot just under an inch which is not bad for a 20” barrel and partitions, but it hit hard. Really loved it but did not do a lot of load development due to the recoil. That gun was hard on the shoulder after about 20 rounds. Thanks for the memories Ron. Really look forward to your videos!

[@oldhunter1000]

The Winchester Model 88 & 100 were really outstanding, however they never lived up to the accuracy I expected. I am totally in love with the 284 Win. I moved on to the 7mm Rem mag and carried the extra recoil and weight . You wisely pointed out there was no actual difference between the two. You picked the two bullets that I settled on to reload that 139 gr and the 140 gr. Good Video!

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thanks David.

[@matthewq4b]

The 284 Win has always been overlooked and underrated. Good Vid. For a short action rifle it is tough to beat the 284 Win. I have a 284/350 (284 necked up to .358) on Ruger MkII action that my father built back in the 90's. Most of our hunting, the shots are in the 100-250 yard range. And the 284/350 is the perfect brush gun for hunting moose, nice and light, easy to pack through the brush with no worries about line of sight obstructions (brush) causing deflections, and hits like a freight train with Nosler partitions or Barnes X bullets.

[@T30-z5w]

The 6.5 x 284 was the go to cartridge about 20 years ago for NRA long range competition. I shot thousands of rounds in this cartridge. But it was a barrel burner. I’d only get about 1,200 rounds of reliable accurate firing from mine. Most serious competition shooters change gun barrels like many change underwear. Not a big deal. Good review.

[@donjennings9758]

Ron I love the 284 Winchester great calibre also I would love to see the old 264 magnum come back it was a great long range gun I have one and have kill 25 deer all one shot kills

[@gregjennings9442]

It’s even better when you reload and can seat the bullet well out to get case volume back. It’s the most common cartridge used in F-Open class. Now that’s single loading in a short action, but you could use a long action to get the same effect using a mag.

[@leeeng478]

That why I like the 7x57 in 175's you can load them way out there!

[@timwright8078]

I have never hunted a day in my life. Also have very limited experience shooting rifles in general. That being said, I absolutely love this channel. I could sit and listen to Ron spew his copious knowledge for hours. What a refreshing, no frills education/history lesson each time. Keep up the great work.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thank you Tim.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I love my 6.5x284 so a .284 would be fun to have...

[@MrSpudz2]

You’ll get better barrel life and height BC with the 7mm

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@@MrSpudz2 true

[@paulsimmons5726]

Very cool discussion. I've never seen a rifle in this cartridge though. You never know with all the companies revisiting the 6.5, 270, and 7mm's these days, someone might decide to bring it back with a new jazzed-up name. Everything seems to get recycled in ammo if you wait long enough, the 284Win might be back at some point... And Ron, you might be the guy to nudge it back to the current discussion!

[@davidwasson3935]

If they do it will be the fourth time this round was invented, he left out the grand dad of them all. Just after ww1 a german named brenneke invented the 7x64, it is the ballistic twin to the 284 and the 280 rem.

[@TOPGUNMPD08]

Yep the 284 is a fine cartridge. My first introduction was when I purchased a Winchester 100 chambered in it. The rifle did fine, but the old autoloader didn't do it justice. The 284 needs a bolt gun to really shine. Rechambered a Weatherby Vanguard in 284 and now I have a rifle that can do almost anything. As Ron says, stick with 56 grns of 4350 and a 139 hornady and you're set. Thanks for the video Ron

[@HernanMoragaMmHs]

Oh man, I would like to hear more about that 280 remington. Great video as always!

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

I'll try to remember to do one on the 280 Rem., Hernan.

[@paulvenn4447]

@@RonSpomerOutdoors 280 AI! :D

[@kirkboswell2575]

@@Chester_Oliver - No, the 280 failed because of the 7 mm Remington magnum. In fact, Remington almost didn't agree to make the 7 mag because of concerns that it would severely impact their 280 sales. But a couple of gunsmith/hunters in Colorado and Wyoming (the inventors of the cartridge), convinced Remington that it would be better if they made the 7 mag than it would have been if it was offered to Winchester. Remington agreed it would be better to have the 7 mag in their stable than if it was in the competition's stable. And, yes, the 7 mag overshadowed the 280.

[@HernanMoragaMmHs]

@@paulvenn4447 vortex nation prdcast has a really good one on the 280 AI. Although I would love Ron giving his take as well. .284 is my favorite caliber!

[@robertthurman3743]

@@RonSpomerOutdoors 280 AI - I've been looking at the 280 but that AI has my attention juuuuust a little more. I've been itching for a new build in the 7mm size. I just haven't been able to decide if I want a 284, 284 Shehane, 280 AI, or the 7MM SAUM. I have interest and respect for all of them, but I need a push. Teach me, Ron! The 7's are where it's at! Well done, sir.

[@gpax-6197]

Awesome. I will look at this cartridge. Love to hand load. Looks like a good one. Thanks Ron.

[@mavericknonconformist69721]

My first rifle was a Savage 99 in .300 Savage, love the cartridge,

[@CSLFiero]

We have new powders, improved metallurgy, and solid turned projectiles. 284 has some of the best projectiles ever, imagine how versatile it could be with a steel- bottomed (ala 6.8 fury) ramped up to 80kpsi in a ar10 style platform. You might just be packing 20 rounds of a .800+ bc 3000fps 7mm in a single magazine of a gun weighting under 12lbs with optic.

[@dustinbutler3820]

I have a Model 99 Savage in 284 Winchester. Absolutely love it

[@MrDudeSayWHAT]

I have a 63 Winchester model 88 284, my grandfather gave it to me many years ago, and i still hunt with it to this day, and plan to hand it down to my sons. it grabs alot of attention when people see the magazine on a lever action rifle i use for hunting. its been a great gun, and one of my best shooting. it will be a great family heirloom.

[@joelowery6919]

Thanks Ron for reporting on a cartridge that is dear to my heart. My first deer rifle that I bought in 1967 and killed my first couple of deer with was chambered in .284 Winchester. Those 2 deer were also the longest range I have ever taken game. I found 55 grains of IMR-4350 and the 130 grain Speer spitzer did everything I needed it to do for deer hunting. A great cartridge, thanks again!

[@RonSpomerOutdoorscom]

You are welcome, Joe.

[@rustybucket83]

This is epic. My dad built one of the first custom 284 win on a 95 mauser in Killeen, TX. He was in the 2nd armored division. Pagels gun shop I think it was called in 1962.... we shoot this gun to this day. Douglas Supreme barrel laid in a hand made fajen style stock. He also built the 300 win mag when it was developed. Its built on a high number rock island arsenal 1903 Springfield. This is old news in my family's household! Yall better watch for the donut when you reload...

[@CorwinBos]

284 Shehane or Wheeler is the next evolution of the 284 Win. Great vid!

[@robertvasquez240]

Nice video. I always wondered why I don’t see many new rifles chambered in .284 WIN--and I rarely see boxes of ammo in that caliber. I wish Winchester would reintroduce the Model 88 and the Model 100: they have always struck me as beautiful rifles with their one-piece stocks.

[@thomasfurniss2026]

Go look up a finwolf.... in 284

[@johnbodman4504]

The Winchester .284 is an outstanding round. I use it for long range matches with 180 grain Berger match projectiles, I have heard that Berger is bringing out 195 grain projectiles, which I will switch to as I know the case holds enough powder for a projectile of that size.

[@dakotawaalkens7303]

My grandfather had a Model 100 in 284 Win. That went to my cousin when he passed but I inherited his Browning Sweet 16. Not sure who who got the better deal But I have been trying to buy that old Winchester ever since....Wish me luck!

[@paulbest6556]

I stumbled across a LH custom .284 in a nice wood stock on a Savage action. It was built by a Wyoming gunsmith, probably in the 60’s. Many nice small touches. Action is smooth as glass. Love the rifle and round. Loved the video and insight on a fine round.

[@rogerbloxham5381]

In 1968 I bought a Winchester model 100 chambered in 284, since I was already into reloading I bought a set of RCBS Small bass dies for it and soon came up with a very accurate load for it. Even today I will Occasionally take it hunting for deer are hogs,It has always performed very well.

[@14goldmedals]

Been a 7mm user for hunting since 1983 right out of high school. I'm glad the kids I saw on the short bus are finally caught up.

[@G19Jeeper]

My buddy built a .338-284 Win and its pretty sweet. Not my cup of tea but its his backup for thick stuff.

[@kirkboswell2575]

As i recall, the 284 got "shot in the foot" right out of the gate by a couple of nationally recognized writers who didn't like the rebated rim. Once they started on the "deficiencies" of the rebated rim, it became a series of issues such as "proper" bullets impinging upon powder capacity. And they even took exception to the sharp shoulders. As I recall, it was "potential feeding issues". Needless to say, this was a pretty big hurdle to overcome. But there were a number of people who kept saying "hey, the 284 is better than you think". And they kept saying it. And they kept saying it over the years. One guy even chambered a long action with a long freebore to allow no impingement on the powder space. And yes, he got improved performance, but then you started hearing that such a chamber eliminated the advantages of the short cartridge. Long story short, a couple of national names kept the 284 from the success it should have been, and a lot of ordinary people continuing to speak up and say "it's really good" kept it alive.

[@HAYAOLEONE]

The 7.5x55mm_SWISS makes more sense for sure.

[@soreloser6018]

Good to see Grandpas deer cartridge getting some exposure. Still a nostalgic cartridge for me.

[@MP-gc9lq]

Ron nice to see earlier cartridges talked about, and not all the hype about these modern cartridges, my Dad built his own 284 in the late 60’s necked down to 6mm for Australian hunting now you have super accurate and flat shooting rifle out past 300 mt it’s all about bullet placement the 284 6mm event took don a water buffalo, most of theses new cartridges are only being developed to promoted to make money; big difference between a cartridge used for hunting than just target shooting Cheers

[@BushmasterM4A3]

Read your article in Outdoor Life (March 2020) comparing the .284 Winchester versus the 7x57 Mauser and 7mm-08. I'll stick with my trusty 7mm-08 but cant deny the increase in case capacity of the .284 Winchester for the long range crowd when pushed to higher pressures. Thanks for another great video Ron!

[@flyonbyya]

Another Remarkable presentation !

[@HaftardsGuideService]

Ya know I'm gonna be honest with you. Cuz I feel your videos are honest. Been kinda struggling with the temptation to go spot light and fill my tag. Your little "hunt honest" thing really got to me tonight. Ron thank you for all you do.

[@hackdlc]

I’ve got a model 88 that was my fathers in 284. Absolutely love that rifle. Pretty much my go to deer/hog rifle. It got hard to find fuel to feed it for a while.

[@ThePNWRiderWA]

In the Winchester 88 is was a fine round. I used a 270 bolt action as well and the 284 was my woods gun with a 4x redfield. I could putt the cross hairs on the back of a mule deer as far as I could see and hit with the scope and be sure of a clean shot.

[@NomadicHacker.]

Always a good reminder that there is so much more to learn about ballistics

[@rkba4923]

Since I have ruptured disc in my cervical/neck and recoil is, therefore, a major issue, I'll stick with 7mm-08. But, look guys, choose whatever cartridge you like that's sufficient to take your intended game/target, then learn your system/rifle. Everything will be fine, trust me.

[@stanleymosel6049]

Been shooting the .284 since 1992, picked up a Browning Abolt that year, killed a truckload of white tails, couple of pronghorn antelope, and some hogs with it, with any 140 grain bullet at 3000 FPS, it just mows animals down, all time favorite cartridge in my all time favorite rifle, glad to hear it’s making a comeback.

[@RAVENOFTHENORTHWESTGAWOODS]

I've held on to a herder 284 with a BSA action for too ,any years to remember The price droped ,any years ago. and i wasn't going to gave away a beauty of a customized rifle to someone who may not appreciate it's abilities The last time i inquided of availability of rounds, the only thing for sale was old boxes at $50 a pop! I passed on them for multiple reason. I'm glad to hear winchester is making them again! If you have one dust it off and feel the power!

[@SteveSiwak-sv8sd]

Iv got my grandfather's 284win 280rem and his 264 and 25-06 glad I got into reloading

[@jeffreyplum5259]

I believe a good friend of my dad used a 284 in a Savage model 99 for deer in Maine. I love the look of the Model 99.

[@fdegeorge2000]

Ron, I have a Browning BLR in 284 Winchester. I get 1.8 MOA With 150 gr Winchester power point out of the box and .92 MOA with hand loaded 140 gr Nossler BTBT. After using the 284 for about 25 years it is one of my top 5 favorite cartridges.

[@glennbabchuk3951]

I have a Win model 70 born in the 30/06 caliber... i had a stouter barrel put on in the awesome chambering of 284... as a hand loader i now can seat my 140 grain sierra #1910 bullets out to a cartridge length of 3.050 with IMR 4350 pushing it... i can run right along side the 7RMag velocity wise with less powder , less recoil and cheaper to reload.... my go to rifle and caliber for whitetail , mule deer, elk and moose... it is my contention the .284 Win was the first short magnum cartridge

[@davidburns3480]

i always enjoy this guy with his knowledge and good way of getting it across

[@montycrain5783]

The Browning BLR was chambered for the 284 for a few years. Also the 425 Westley Richards had a rebated rim in 1909. Mic McPherson made a series of 284 based wildcats in a Custom switch barrel Savage 99. I believe he had barrels in 284,6mm/284,338/284,and 375/284 which achieved a 300 grain at 2,400 and had done preliminary work on a 416/284 Improved. With Controlled round feed and 4+1 capacity in 284 the 375/284 and 416/284 improved would most likely do fine work in Africa.

[@melchung1566]

Back In the mid sixties I inherited a Savage 99 in .284. it used a clip n I called Savage to convert it to .308 Win but too expensive so I traded it off. Now I have a Winchester Model 88 and M100 and I reload for both guns. I wish I kept the Savage 99... Thanks for video, the ballistic table comparisons were very clear and understandable!

[@stephenrapalyea8475]

A friend of mine had a Savage 99F in .284Win.He bought his new circa 1962 .A very sweet rifle. I keep my eyes open for one when one comes together with the money at the same time.

[@MrSpudz2]

Nothing new here, I’ve been shooting the .284 in NRA Long Range Prone matches for the past 8 years and have done VERY WELL with it. The 6.5mm bullets don’t have the BC of the 7mm’s, and to get a similar BC and velocity in the 30’s requires a cartridge that will beat the snot out of the shooter.

[@nmelkhunter1]

Great review and I have always thought highly of the 284 Win! Your rifle in 284 Winchester really caught my eye; great looking tool to get the job done!

[@funkla65]

You nailed the importance of velocity in the old days. Wind drift is a problem on windy days, but bullet drop happens every day. When I was in Jr High in 1980 and wanted a woodchuck rifle, I got a 220 Swift. Zeroed at 300 yards, if a chuck sat up within a 40 acre length it was in peril. I had a Ranging 1000, but it was never particularly useful, as its accuracy diminished rapidly after 400 yards. Nowadays folks can pretty much take the drop solution for granted, and work on the wind drift problem instead. So, back to the 284: back then it was good at pushing short bullets fast out of a short action. Now, it's good at helping long bullets fit into a medium ('06) action.

[@offroad6309]

Ron, I would really like to see your take on a 6.8 western vs .284 win. Keep up the good work.

[@Bigfoots_brotherinlaw]

Been a fan of the 284 winchester for years. I have a 6.5x284 in a savage and a 700 chambered in 284. Absolutely love them both a great cartridge that does it all.

[@travisoudeboon6585]

My wife's dad game me his 284 win. It's built off the old mauser 88 action. One beautiful rifle, and shoots like a dream. Shot a very nice buck with it this last year, and he didn't go 20. Dropped in his tracks. I'm highly impressed by the .284 win.

[@ragnarragnarsson3128]

I think you meant 98 action. Cool story though. I plan on building a 284 Winnie off a yugo mauser action.

[@emoryzakin2576]

Pretty excited for the 284s rise, just got my lapua brass in yesterday! Now to size it to 7.5x55 Swiss and I’m set!

[@joesawyer1483]

I used to have a 284 Winchester in the model Savage 99E . Do a comparison on a 264 Winchester Mag.

[@borkwoof696]

That’s one of my grail guns you had there :)

[@joesawyer1483]

@@borkwoof696 You know when you are young you do stupid things and selling that gun was a big mistake. It shot fantastic and it had it's barrel beaded. My 264 win mag that I mentioned in the previous post. It's a Winchester model 70 with a pre 64 action with a Boss muzzle and free floating barrel. I have put 4 shots in the same hole at 100 yds

[@georgesakellaropoulos8162]

Those things are as scarce as rocking horse turds. They don't come up for sale often and when they do, they start at about $2K.

[@Cycle9568]

I have a 264 Win Mag sitting in the safe.

[@joesawyer1483]

My 264 is a model 70 pre 64 action with a Boss muzzle on it. Floating barrel and it only takes 2 fingers to work the bolt. I also have a Leopold scope on it

[@googleuser8448]

Amazing. My best friend just inherited a Remington model 7 rebored for the .284. He was asking me a lot of questions about the rifle and the round. I didn’t know anything about the round and not a lot about the model 7 so i just happened to come across this video so i sent him the link. Then after i watched i this video, i now really want a .284

[@kuzkuz3959]

Thank you for the history lesson and comparison of cartridges.

[@KeenerFarms]

I have a Browning medallion in 284 win. Early to mid 90’s. As far as I’m concerned the best deer round.

[@Jeff_Seely]

284 Win is a damn fine cartridge. So accurate, in fact, that it has been getting a lot of attention to it, by PRS and Open F class shooters. If you go to an Open F class event at least 60% of the guys there are running straight 284Win and variants. Fantastic ballistics and it is easy to work up loads for and because of the bullet mass, there is less influence by wind and atmospheric conditions. Because of the popularity, there are a big handful of variant cartridges, such as the 284 Shehane. I have a 6.5-284 barrel that I can't wait to run. Great video Ron! And it's great whenever you mention that you aren't an advocate of taking deer at ELR yardages.

[@mikehunicke5061]

My wife took an Alaskan bull moose back in the 70s with a browning bolt action that belong to my dad in 284 Winchester.

[@kubotamaniac]

Quite surprising that a .308 Win will go 2600 fps with a 200 grains bullet, out of a standard 22 inches barrel... That is probably the reason why it looks so good in the charts you are showing here... Thanks for your excellent video!

[@williambarnes4612]

Another great video from a national treasure...

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Many thanks William.

[@sammartinez8084]

Thank for the information Ron your the best

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

You are most welcomed, Sam.

[@bustabass9025]

6.5-284 Norma is a great iteration of the 284. Necked down to .264 cal/dia it is a flat shooting and deadly accurate round. It is also a joy to reload to some pretty exacting capacities. I use mine as an all around, go to rifle for many hunting situations.

[@shanegridley4922]

Love all the info and history in your videos 😊

[@larskunoandersen5750]

I love this videos. Good information and I learn from it.

[@robertezell1916]

Have hunted with a Winchester model 100 auto in .284 Winchester for 40 years and everything I have shot with it has pretty much dropped in its tracks, if it didn’t it didn’t make 30 yards. It’s a flat shooting round that rivals any short round made today. It’s still a bad boy!

[@fredfordham574]

The straight 284 win and 284 Ackley are widely used in Fclass long range Target competition. 180gn Berger projectiles typically have 2820 fps launched from a 31inch 1 in 7 twist barrel. Typically the brass used is Lapua 6.5-284, which is necked up to 7mm. You can also fire form 7.5x55 Swiss brass in a 284 win chamber. It's a great calibre for long range, it achieves a sweet spot of enough horsepower to achieve great ballistics, good barrel life and not have to use muzzle brakes to make accurate shooting possible due to excessive recoil. The 180gn projectiles will not fit in a short action mag however, you will need to single feed or use a standard length action. A popular powder used is ADI AR2209 (H4350). Typically in Fclass the 6mmBR, Dasher, BRX is used for 300-600y and beyond that out to 1000y you switch to the 7mm. If the wind conditions are strong you would stay with the 7mm on all ranges.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thanks for the F-Class details, Fred!

[@koltonblackmon1722]

I have a Browning A-bolt chambered in .284 the perfect whitetail gun. i have loads that range from 110 gr HP to 150 gr HP and all are perfect for deer

[@whiskeygrunt772]

Growing up I collected discarded rifle brass from the range. Built a display with around 50 different cartridges. 284 was always my favorite for some reason. Love these in depth looks at oddballs from history. I have a 6mm Remington I inherited, run a video on that.

[@russellkeeling4387]

6mm Remington was my first big game rifle. Born and raised in Colorado my father who was a judge and gunsmith helped me choose a rifle I could use on all big game here. I'm an old man now and am downsizing my gun collection. My 6mm Remington has passed on to my son. Even though he has a 300 Win. Mag., also passed down, and a .270 the 6mm is the rifle he has chosen to hunt elk with the past two years. It is very accurate and falls in the range of velocities I like. With younger eyes it held three shot groups at 100 yards that could be covered with a quarter. This was with a 4 power Weaver scope, K4.