How to ZF Convert the FG

[@StephenJohnson-jb7xe]

I was searching for information on converting from a BA 4 speed to a 6 speed and ended up here. You have convinced me its not worth the effort.

[@jeffrey5718]

I drive a Toyota 86. I dont even know why I am watching this but I just did. Well done mate!

[@fgmods]

Thanks for the support

[@lk8300]

5 speed manual Toyota carona? My first car about ten years ago. She was a beast mate

[@Ntwitu2]

Thank you so much for your video man, just spent the weekend doing the conversion on my xt 5 speed to xr6 6 speed. Wouldn't of been able to with out this video. Was a mission, but will be so worth it.

[@mickwarnie8707]

Why did you bother they both have issues like every other auto?

[@marcpace3533]

Done the swap it’s easier than explained but this bloke is good

[@JediMindTrikkz]

how? haha i hope it is easy

[@seamusnestor8201]

I had a shop in Melbourne do this for me 2 weeks ago. Best thing I ever did

[@fgmods]

Glad you found a shop that could do it for you.

[@doaballer]

What’s the shop called?

[@elfalcon666]

How much was that roughly?

[@aarondavis673]

What shop mate? Really keen to know

[@seamusnestor8201]

GW Autocare in Bacchus Marsh I had abit of work done while it was there. I had a new water pump installed and an XR cluster coded as well as the 6 speed conversion set be back $3400

[@sg8107]

Thank you for making this video, yes info out there about this is hard to get, for someone like me that has 3 FG's and one of them being a 5 speed I now know what I maybe up for once this 5 speed shits itself, thanks again for the video

[@fgmods]

Yep it isn't fun, but there are shops that will do this process for you, at a reasonable cost.

[@sg8107]

@@fgmods I hope I never find out 😂

[@Trelly__]

Mate it's not too hard to do aslong as you get everything from the same car

[@gateway426]

Informative video old mate. I had same issue finding info on ZF6. Had to revert to BMW tech specs. Got sorted in the end. But keen to see if anyone other than ZF can do handshake between different TCM and PCMs moving forward.

[@crazypaulshowto7700]

Woo hoo, any ideas on ways around the wiring drammas, ive a bf 302 in a ba fairlane and now a zf gearbox being shoved in. Open to suggestions or directions to people who know.

[@dantespiro6224]

I gotta say man you're hell funny n I'm thinking of buying na fg n rebuilding a turbo motor for it n you have already been a big help for me thanks mate

[@imTriiBz]

Theres not many tutorials because most people dont bother doing this conversion. They simply buy the correct platform with the ZF first

[@SoreSmokingMariachi]

Thanks for making this video, I have been watching this channel for a while. Well done.

[@JTECH7766]

Been looking for the exact info for ages. You earned a sub from me!

[@Jjjjjjjjjjjajaaajajajjajajaja]

Yo why are people sleeping on this dude? Awesome content mate!! Keep on doing your thing Much love from Adelaide ❤️

[@lenny0347]

Just did this conversion after turboing the n/a engine, 5 speed started slipping at the 300kw mark. For me the tailshaft was not a straight swap. the diff couplings were different so needed to swap the rear of the 5sp tailshaft to the front of the 6sp. You could also swap the entire diff over if you can get ya hands on one.

[@fgmods]

Wow how did I forget to mention the tailshaft??? Yes you absolutely will need a tailshaft to suit ZF. Also the NA & Turbo tailshafts have different sized mounts too.

[@timdellacroce106]

Ok so I'll devulged my info here. I have a 2008 Sr territory. Came factory zf6 AWD. It's now has 2012 rwd running gear in it. I didn't realise about the tcu issues before slapping it all in. Got Barra performance here on the sunshine coast to link the ecu and TCU. Drives etc fine but flash's the d symbol on dash.

[@Jbwyatt]

the only reason why they dont share it is because they can make 4-5k drive in drive out for each conversion. Probably more with the nEw CoViD tAx on parts .

[@lk8300]

Now they will probably charge you 10k and your car will never work again. Dogs out there everywhere today mate

[@Fingabang]

Only a couple of People can do it here in Brisbane.. I had it done by Paul at L.A.P Auto Salisbury and it only cost $2400 including zf service and a couple of other things. Highly recommend getting it done, Not only do you get an awesome gearbox but it adds value to your car.

[@christopherbatjer5249]

Was that for a fg or a bf

[@Fingabang]

@@christopherbatjer5249 FG mate

[@christopherbatjer5249]

@@Fingabang in ok I have a bf I want get done

[@Fingabang]

@@christopherbatjer5249 Look him up he is falcon expert and can do it if it's doable.

[@mtmetzger]

I’ve heard HPTuners can remove the immobilizer. Shouldn’t it be able to pair with the TCM also?

[@hydro42060]

What do I need todo to put a t56 tr6060 box. What needs tobe done to delete the zf6auto loom

[@thomaselliott2]

im trying to look for manual transmissions for my auto 2014 fg mk2 falcon to possibly do a swap?

[@mg74xbgt]

I hope you put the turbo box in !! has a few more clutches in it and will survive for a while when you turbo it.

[@fgmods]

haha NOPE, so yeah we're gonna be seeing how long the poor NA box lasts.

[@billystergiopoulos8025]

I have a 5spd in my fg no problems with it but like to know how much better the 6 spd is?

[@fgmods]

It was like night and day after I got it the ZF in Well worth the effort

[@rwd323]

Is the body harness the same across different 6 speed models?

[@Getsum-ii]

Can you take the ignition, key and key reader from that 6spd fg? Plug in and start?

[@dalechenoweth915]

Thank you. Do you know if an engine and zf pair can work in another vehicles after anti theft has been disabled, or does the zf still want to talk to the bcm and key?

[@aarondavis673]

G'day mate, after doing the conversion, how'd you find the driving experience after having the conversion carried out?

[@danrule375]

Awesome work 😊 I have a f6 bf series 2 box that just failed , if I get a newer model fg transmission is it as simple as change my old tcm over into the new box or are they different boxes? Thanks

[@emotionlessmedia]

Hi i really want to respond. Can you make a video on how to paint your inner door handles and door cups and the door belt mould im really in need of help on how to do it

[@potaka79]

I wanted to do this a couple of months ago with the wife's 2011 territory it has a 4speed. I was told can't be done just rebuild your gear box. God damn it.

[@fgmods]

From what I’ve seen, there are territory’s that came with 6 speeds. Meaning you can certainly swap over to a better gearbox.

[@steveallen1340]

Apart from Ford just wanting to be difficult is there any legitimate reason for the PCM and TCM to be serial number linked?

[@fgmods]

Steve Allen none at all. After publishing this video I’m even getting messages from shops saying they’ve made 5speed PCMs work with the 6speed boxes, so yeah.

[@damianbrennan2258]

What about bf 4 speed to 6speed zf

[@kyleedgerton3698]

2k ain't bad though. I'm just glad I bought my second xr6 with a zf6 in it. If I ever beat it to death. Simple rebuild. Emphasis on simple.

[@anishchand4420]

FGmods if somebody is building a Barra Engine from Natural Aspirated engine and just say they want to use Another Gear Box. Say the Mustang 10-speed SelectShift automatic transmission. Would that be possible ?

[@tturi2]

surely you can just run the power/ground/signal wires for the wiring harness,

[@fgmods]

The PCM that controls ZF and the one to control 5 speed are very different. With some custom software and luck you CAN force the 5speed PCM to control a ZF if you splice the right wires. But it's never going to be as good as just swapping the PCM and wiring over.

[@tturi2]

@@fgmods yeah I just feel like it's a lot of work for at most 10 22awg wires haha

[@joshwhite4983]

I wanna know more info on a BTR swap to zf

[@Funandmayhem]

So maybe a stupid ?? But is it a case of removing the entire 5 speed harness and replace with 6 speed harness, or is there screwing around with harnesses under dash, tracing wires etc etc. Although being time consuming and a pain in the ass, is it simply plug and play esaentially?

[@Ghostrider-nw8wh]

but what if you have a zf gearbox along with the engine it was running with? then would it just be the wiring harness that is the issue. im currently doing a turbo swap to an na fg and took out the 5spd and the na motor out and replaced it with the turbo motor and zf. also bought the zf6 tailshaft so does that mean that the wiring harness is the only issue? idk if taking out the harness from one car and putting it onto the other car is an easy job as i do have the wiring harness from the turbo ute. cheers

[@fgmods]

The PCM is more of an issue than the harness. Obvious you’ll need a ZF harness to plug the PCM in, but the TCM and PCM need to match.

[@Ntwitu2]

Hey mate, my 5 speed as just shat its self and im weighing up what to do. So it just the the loom from fuse box to passangers foot well, none of the internal body loom? Does it involve removing the dash? Can find 6 speed boxes everywhere here in nz but not many 5 speeds, and everyone says get away from the 5 speed. Any info be awesome bud

[@fgmods]

You won’t need to remove the dash. But it is ALL the wiring in the engine bay. That wraps around in to the foot wells on both front driver and passenger sides.

[@amandalibbis4928]

@@fgmods do you really need to change the drivers side loom? I just completed a conversion last night I changed everything except drivers side loom I’ve programmed the keys and linked the pcm to the bcm with my scanner only issue I have is audio code error coming up on the icc screen and no codes when I scan it Im not using a shit scanner I have a snap on triton D8 so not sure what the issue is everything else is working perfectly any help would be much appreciated thanks

[@brimech73]

Hi has anyone done a ba 4 speed auto to zf conversion?

[@alexblanch9386]

Following also want to do bf 4 speed sautonto zf 6 speed auto

[@danielgriffin5160]

Hey mate couldn’t find much information on a 5 speed swap over so I ended up here, would it be the same as a 6 speed swap over, just the 5 speed tcm in my current car and put it on the good gearbox I’m swapping in.

[@fgmods]

I would assume so yeah. But don’t know for sure.

[@robertphillips3078]

Haven't watched ur whole chat . But just incase u were doing a 5speed auto to a 6speed a crowd in Adelaide do them & reboot the Computer. Approx $3500 K

[@Funandmayhem]

Athol Park Wrecker! 👍👍

[@robertphillips3078]

The percentage difference between a 5 speed & 6 speed is 7% better economy. My best 100 k per lire usage has been as low as 7.7 ltrs per 100ks . And l havent put in the 6 speed . I have worked out my tricks . After the 6 speed upgrade my next trick ( dont ask what u cant afford ) will be 12-15% improvement well documented & proven . Then l have another one about 1 to 1.5% & l will share my very last one . Snow Performance water / methanol . Good for another 3-5% improvement. By my calculations l should at 6.1 to 6.4 ltrs per 100 ks with the XR6 ... N/A . And with the rising fuel prices l will be enjoying 4 cylinder economy.

[@corey6008]

I know this is an irrelevant question but I'm in the market to buy an ba or bf xr6 ute but would like to convert it from a 4 spd to 6 spd zf? What's involved if you don't mind. Cheers

[@mickwarnie8707]

If i were you i would leave it a four speed. Borg warner autos are much more trouble free than these 5 and 6 speeds.

[@ashleydibben17]

What's a good transmission cooler for the zf6 speed?

[@abecoulter8550]

But don't they use the same Barra as the Ba/f that could use the T56 gearbox

[@fgmods]

The manual FG uses TR6060, which is the upgraded version of T56.

[@krispykreme8249]

Guess I got lucky as mine came with the zf 😎

[@fgmods]

Much easier than doing this conversion stuff.

[@krispykreme8249]

FGmods just think of it as you’re doing gods work 😂

[@barryquinlan6426]

You can do it with Haltech

[@woznaldo]

This is the question I was going to ask but, for connecting the ZF to another engine. Let’s say I have an old in-line 6 and make a bell housing adapter etc so mechanically it all bolts together. I should be able slap in the Haltech and it should work right?

[@BazdawgsGaming]

Hey man thanks for the video, any chance we can see how you did your lights?

[@fgmods]

Absolutely. I'm planning on getting the remained of the stuff for them and then will be doing a big video on how they're done.

[@BazdawgsGaming]

@@fgmods you ripper! I've got a set waiting to build but can't get em apart haha

[@jamesowens5164]

Dont forget it has to be a series 1 fg zf donor car and the same series your swaping like xr6 sedan, ute is different. Just finished mine today.

[@Trelly__]

Not exactly I have a mk2 zf6 in a mk1 finished my conversion 5 weeks ago

[@jamesowens5164]

@@Trelly__ did you also use the full wiring harness for the series 2? From my research the body control module and abs have issues using a series 2. Im glad to see it is possible as a series 1 zf is hard to find.

[@jacz1525]

@@jamesowens5164 Curious about this too as all the donar cars im looking at are mk2s

[@rwd323]

Ute body harness is different to sedan?

[@lk8300]

Have to replace the loom yeah. New wiring

[@michaelb5330]

Do you know if it’s possible to buy the ZF into a Ba xr6 turbo as I was thinking of doing this Thanks for the extremely informative video

[@fgmods]

I’m not sure. I don’t know a lot about the B series.

[@michaelb5330]

@@fgmods thanks for such a rapid reply If you have any hints or tips if it’s possible it would be very much appreciated Thanks from Perth

[@haydenflint5479]

What about fg 4speed to 6speed similar?

[@haydenflint5479]

@Benson Hedges no mate I have a fg with a 4sp 😂 it’s a gas motor series 1

[@plumbs7199]

Thanks heaps for the info.

[@michaeldodgson6517]

Do you have to swop TCM 5 speed to another 5speed

[@fgmods]

If you are swapping from a 5 speed to a new 5 speed, you can simply take the TCM out of your existing 5 speed and put it in the new one. This applies to the 6 speed as well. Which is how people put built ZF's in their cars without having to go through all this nonsense.

[@michaeldodgson6517]

Thanks mate 👍

[@coolkatz9012]

Rang a auto shop in melb while ago asked the tech he had no Idea rubbish 5speed to Zf do remember him saying mate will cost a fortune at a guess he said hahah.

[@TÜRK_ALP]

Legend 👍🏼👍🏼

[@swaysways5128]

So im guessing The auto to manual conversion would be alot worse ???

[@krispykreme8249]

Ooft forget about it 😂

[@fgmods]

I couldn't say for sure since I haven't done anywhere near as much research on it. But other than the same issue with PCM & TCM, everything else would be mechanical, so probably just time and effort to get working.

[@swaysways5128]

I just done work to turbo my standard FG. Now wonder if i should sell and buy manual FG or just Do a manual Conversion

[@ashleighvlasveld801]

Converting from auto to manual is no dramas at all very simple change in the pcm tune to tell it not to ask for info from the auto or swap manual ecu and wiring done heaps manual To auto would rather shot in my hands and clap

[@hasanalbdry3412]

I do this job for more in 50 cars I’m in Fawkner Melbourne

[@EXZACHTPERFORMANCE]

What's current price on that job if all parts are supplied? Have an engine and zf6 trans still mated, with original TCM/pcm pair.

[@ReeceizMaChiNe]

You can have the TCM tuned to your car

[@ReeceizMaChiNe]

I personally have had it done in Brisbane Queensland

[@Trelly__]

If you are in vic go to GW Auto care in baccusmarsh best ford mechanics in Victoria

[@jonathancartmel5434]

Great info.. I've just decided not to do it anymore..

[@mickwarnie8707]

Yeah not worth it. The 5 speed is not as bad as all that.

[@Camhin1]

From what you've stated in this video, I think their might be a reason there's not much info on how to do this conversions and why workshops don't want to do it.

[@fgmods]

There's a handful of shops out there who do this work, at a cost, but a lot of them intentionally mislead people or don't share info on how it's done. In theory it's actually a very simple process. In practice it's a pain in the ass.

[@reubenjacobson4543]

@@fgmods I paid Ford wreckers in Redcliffe 3500 to do this but for a BF. Should of bought a manual.

[@buckbuck4852]

Can you convert people from buying dual cab crapboxes and tiny suv's?.........too late bro

[@rockstar2934]

Thanks heeps

[@ytthecommunistplatform.2675]

Territory . Sy=bf sz=fg .

[@Amrsingh]

Yup every time i search for it i end up at ur page, in other way its better for you

[@fgmods]

Hopefully with this video people will finally get the info they need.

[@jordanwasley5388]

First x

[@mynamea.n.s.s5472]

Same no help but you

[@mynamea.n.s.s5472]

Ha f that

[@coolkatz9012]

Rang a tranny shop In melb dude said yeah could be blokes doing it 😂

[@preston963]

I'm a mechanic who has Ford's genuine IDS diag/programming software n can code any module on any Ford.

[@jaisharman4417]

Where are you located

[@preston963]

Newcastle, Why?

[@jdhshuajfjueudhbd6227]

haha why do you think he would ask where you're located @@preston963