2GG Kongo Saga - Echo Fox | Mkleo (Joker) Vs T (Link) Winners Semis - Smash Ultimate

[@Intothemind]

What an insane run from T, dude placed 5th with Link in literally one of the most stacked Ultimate tournaments so far. And while I thought he'd be destroyed by Leo, he put on a worthy fight. Why is no one playing Link more at top level seriously ?

[@Thecrimsonchin0]

I don’t know. Since the games release I’ve said Link was A tier. I have Link as a secondary and he’s by far my favorite character to play. Safe nair, good out of shield options, the remote bomb is a game changer, at 0% he has the strongest Fsmash in the game, he has a good but not great recovery. ( unless you learn the bomb tech) and not to mention he has the master sword 😂 fair kills early, up tilt is an amazing move, he literally has everything you want in a character

[@Intothemind]

@@Thecrimsonchin0 Agree on everything, and most top players seem to think too that Link's easily a high tier. But you barely see him in competitive play that's too bad, I hope players like T are gonna bring back the Link hype a bit.

[@rivers139]

I feel like once people get really good at optimizing all of Link's tech (like T is for example) he'll be a force to be reckoned with! He definitely has a lot of potential, and he is pretty technical so in the right hands he can be devastating

[@vincentlira1956]

@@Thecrimsonchin0 he's not fast enough.

[@ghadiayoub7215]

@@Thecrimsonchin0 except frame data but yeah very solid character overall defo high tier

[@kugsworld]

As a link player, I really respect for T. I want to see more and more T .

[@centagus8797]

국스월드- 신차패키지 Yea tea is a god drink

[@Croconardo]

국스월드- 신차패키지 I am also a Link main and I watch a lot of T because he helps me learn Link better because I’m very run in combo play I never used my boomerang as a good combo starter

[@smashbroshandro9786]

He spams Nair so much it’s boring I know it’s a great move but still

[@aIkaIi]

@@smashbroshandro9786 that's more of a Link problem.

[@smashbroshandro9786]

Samuel Cho disagree

[@mahamib]

17:10 probably the best bait in smash history.

[@sebaschan-uwu]

Lmao why did he do that

[@Benji_Jokjo]

@@sebaschan-uwu yeah lol

[@PabloCardonaMusic]

@@sebaschan-uwu I think he meant to regrab fast fall nair but pressed down before A

[@doomslayer8431]

@@PabloCardonaMusic yeah I’ve accidentally done that before

[@JoeSmith-db4rq]

Damn T was earning that Triforce of Courage by going in on Joker with Arsene as much as he did...

[@Turnpost2552]

IKR

[@sk_555]

T has a pretty sick Link and put up a decent fight. Much respect to him and of course Leo for doing what he always does

[@idonthavh1n166]

"Decent" fight? He did much more than that.

[@user-tu1ot8ol1u]

That was a really good fight, he may have Self Destructed the last game but damn that spike would have worked on any other Joker main

[@Crxwess]

@@idonthavh1n166 yeah spamming arson smashes most broken mechanic

[@parliament1232]

He self-destructed, but he got baited damn fucking hard.

[@elcuartodechesterdrums.8784]

17:10 if you are a Main Link you have to suffer this sooner or later

[@jennifererrafas4000]

the suffer of every link

[@doomslayer8431]

Lxl happened to me before

[@Slattsquatch]

Lab monster Link mains on Twitter: tricky bomb setups, extremely situational and highly technical combos with substantial use of z dropping and footstools T, the best Link player in an actual tournament setting: N A I R

[@pretendsushi2929]

Yes, he did no other moves, what a jabroni /s

[@Roamstrong]

Great fundamentals (knowing your out of shield options, rarely missing your common opportunities, good spacing) separates the good players from the bad players and covers 90% of the game. But having the extra tools/tech separates the great from the good. Nair does a lot, but if he only did it without being able to threaten the rest of the toolkit, he'd get bodied.

[@bonssimple857]

I mean he switch to Fair on high percentage

[@frewtlewps1152]

MkLeo and T are two players that show what dedication to character can do. This set was awesome!

[@supernintendofan5311]

MK is carried by arsene

[@LightDriveGaming]

SuPEr nInTENdo FaN yeah all the other joker mains placed first or 2nd in every event this season right

[@zechssb5719]

@@supernintendofan5311 Name another Joker mAiN that's a top player. I'll wait.

[@catandgrouper4760]

SuPEr nInTENdo FaN your salty little boy, aren’t you? Or are you trying to bait?

[@catandgrouper4760]

Zech SSB well tweek picked him up (can’t really say he’s maining him right now, but he is using him to great effect). Also, zackary

[@clay2889]

Really love seeing Link played in ultimate. No one really plays him these days so I often have to go back to old sets like this. T is a treat to watch

[@CharlesDuncanStuart]

I've been watching lately a bunch of crayzgunz on twitch, he's kind of a newer link main I've seen rise as of late. Fun cause the streams are small enough you can play games and what not. But other than that you got sillintor killing it as usual. But I agree there's mabe like 10 top player links out there.

[@koelee]

T is perhaps the least flashy Link main. That said however, his consistency and fundamentals are absolutely incredible, and probably the best out of all Links in Ultimate. He's definitely improved a lot since the last time I watched him play, especially seeing him using the bomb more, even if he doesn't bring it out as often as other Links. He really did incredibly against the best player in the world, and stands as a great testament as to the potential and what Link can do in this game. *_Link mains rise up._*

[@joostietoost4220]

Koe Lee *Joker mains rise up.*

[@dawnroyfire7498]

I know man Link is such an underated character, imo he has the potential to become a top tier but not many people play him, especially since he is REALLY hard to master. But he's got some crazy bomb loop combo's and setup's.

[@giygaswashere2808]

Who's your favorite Link main?

[@koelee]

@@giygaswashere2808 frenchtutor_ for sure. I think his bomb plays are the most creative and impressive.

[@giygaswashere2808]

@@koelee He's amazing indeed! I was complimenting his playstyle on the Linkcord not long ago

[@wowieeitme7714]

Seeing T accomplish that sort of movement with Link is incredible, mad respect.

[@georgefunes4535]

Does my heart good to see an OG like Link make it this far. Well done T

[@Ozi_i]

8:39 T(うまいなぁ～)

[@unlast]

あんなに深く阻止にこられたら誰でも反応しちゃいそうw

[@えすわい-m3v]

結果は3-1だけど試合内容毎回拮抗してるのまじか、Tさん鬼強

[@rahaeto]

Tくんは世界最強のリンクやで

[@user-TakubokuDesuyo]

4:48 Tさん「これきついなー…」 8:40 Tさん「まじかー…」

[@ココちゃんマン-y7l]

佐村河内「口話をしましょう」

[@zedelta2295]

ヨクバリスバリス 8:40 は「うまいなー…(苦笑)」にしか見えんのやけど。ちなみにLeoの右側で見切れてるしゅーとんさんの口も「うまっ」と読み取れる。

[@index_librorum2612]

ze delta そんな拘んなくてもいいやろ

[@ろん-c4r]

ze delta 細かい人は嫌われるぞ

[@ドラケン-f4u]

ze delta きっしょ

[@Masterahsoka]

I like how people are suggesting T how to play, hes up there for a reason, because hes obviously doing something different from other Link players.

[@bigtoblerone8446]

Yeah they are giving him pointers about arrows and bomb usage... It's like these people have never been to a tourney before and have no idea what it takes to travel and make it all the way to 5th place in a tourney that is stacked as well as this one~ You just cant go for flashy stuff against the best in the world in a match up that is bad for Link, T did as well as he did becuz he stuck to the fundamentals as he always does, he only did what was usually safe moves but this freaking MKleo lul

[@lucasoares2995]

Nair

[@Watch501st]

Yeah just spam Nair and Fair, no skill/combos whatsoever

[@SonamSlash]

anu501st best link in the world doesn’t have any skill nor does he combos? Sounds kinda sketch

[@E-chan315]

Tさん間違いなく最強のリンク使いや… 全試合熱くそしてただLeoが強すぎた…

[@moss7910]

Normal Link is my favorite link in this game I like his semi zoner playstyle and how he dances around peoples shields

[@andy03241017]

4 manzoku !!!! manzoku is one of professional player in japan and he use link !!! that's why 4 （for）manzoku!!

[@beannhead]

Thnx for the clarification!

[@bobasimp9610]

Naruhodo naruhodo

[@japancolab1443]

満足さぁぁん！

[@bigtoblerone8446]

✌

[@jayden_rico]

シーケン nigga what (Nigga)

[@swixhayes3877]

So proud of “T” but MKleo did great too

[@anilsramcharan]

This is the first time I've seen anyone in such a close fight with MKLeo - much respect to T 💯

[@Alleis]

So you've never seen Mkleo vs Tweek, Samsora or Marss? You should go watch the Konga saga Tweek vs Mkleo it's a great set.

[@friday5960]

T reaching winners semis in a S tier tournament is an extraordinary feat.

[@sikone831]

Link mains rise up!!!! We didnt win but damn good fight

[@erik4048]

Placing 5th at a stacked tournament with more than 900 entrants is nothing to sneeze at. As a Link main, he's done us proud.

[@katojenkins7344]

Been a Link main since N64

[@luisa3447]

Link main lul

[@Watch501st]

spam neutral A, what a spam

[@parliament1232]

@@Watch501st Its clear you don't play Link, absolute troll.

[@ExileOfSand]

Man that last games stock was so beautifully played by Leo. He knew T was desperate to get the kill by what he was throwing and how aggressive he was going in. Leo schmixed T so hard with that tether cancel he took his own stock (or would have put him in a position to lose it)

[@dylanr.7760]

Over a year later and I still come back to watch T. If T can get fifth with such a simple game plan (not shitting on him, I’m a link main and nair is a funny move) just imagine the potential Link has

[@guacamolepens8481]

It has to do more with fundamentals than nair and fair so it’s a lot more complicated than it looks here

[@vamp5452]

tさん笑顔最高 リンク対策の勉強で開いたのにずっとリンク応援してしまった

[@KP_Uravity]

I'm really liking how non campy T is with link. Good to see some one give my main justice

[@bobbyDD]

@@sKolo843 Nair and Fair, damn near links only decent options in neutral. maybe side tilt after dashing away but the rest are just too laggy at this high of a level of play.

[@joshua_krieger]

At 5:15 Mkleo tries to do 2 drag-down fairs into a footstool.

[@sonymicronin]

What a chad... That would be a flex play lol

[@qwerty6699]

its so sad that they dont play on stages with epic music lol its like the most tense match but theres a guy casually whisling

[@bond3161]

Looking back after playing link... It doesnt suffice to simply play as you want. One must play in a play to maximize the effectiveness of the character. Namely, link needs to utilize boomerang and not charge in. Control neutral, then pressure. Bomb ledge trap and drops. Rinse and repeat. T doesn't do that and still manages good results. Imagine if he was being more cheap or "boring". Perhaps so but it'll be more result oriented.

[@baldr9390]

Pretty wholesome watching Team Japan cheering their boi in the back :)

[@SupremeCourt]

I respect how much more work T has to put in with Link.

[@SeedPrometheus]

ごちゃごちゃした展開の中で不意にジョーカーの落としが入ることがあるけど、Leoのことだから即座に拾って撃墜まで行きそうで怖いw

[@stormcutter59]

It is still amazing to me how untapped the potential is with almost every character in this game. I'm sure we have hardly scratched the surface. I dont believe their are any low tier characters in this game for that reason and Link is only going to get better and better as time goes on. Way to go T.

[@alfonshedstrom9859]

Joseph Franc Yeah. Links bomb is especially versatile but T isn’t using it at all but he’s still doing good with Links severely underrated nair. I think this is an eye opener to what Link can do

[@stormcutter59]

@@alfonshedstrom9859 Yeah it is indeed. The bomb set ups are Links biggest strength and T is already keeping up well with Leo even without utilizing them to their fullest. That tells me a lot for sure. Tells me a lot of people are gonna get bopped sleeping on this character

[@sullivanish]

Most characters are fairly balanced but I still feel like Kirby just doesn’t have the tools to be balanced in competitive play

[@LuxTensyn]

I think low tier as a concept is vague, but there are definitely characters who's kit is just outright better than others. Ie Palutena and Joker.

[@stormcutter59]

@@LuxTensyn Only a fair few in my honest opinion. I dont think kanye characters outright BEAT all others with such oppression it's impossible to turn the tables. Only say characters like Kirby and Captain Falcon have a ridiculously unfair task of dealing with say Palutenas nair. But that's pretty much it. This game is really, truly balanced in a way I've never seen a fighting game go before. And we'll only learn more from here

[@春キャベツ-p4s]

Ｔさん普段イケメンなのに3試合目終わったあと疲れすぎて老けて見えるw

[@painuchiha2694]

T showing my main some love What a great play against the god leo

[@alektraeljenkins6933]

I accidentally walked in this place during the tournament lol. Right next to my house

[@pokeness686]

I'm so fkn salty T SD'd in game 2. My man had that match...

[@ericdragoification]

That SD at the end still made me sad 😢

[@mo533]

Gotta start calling him Ice T; bro cold goin in on Arsen. Love Lep tho; consistently awesome; GGs all around

[@Benji_Jokjo]

I love how almost every game they were just trading stocks it was pretty dang even.

[@Jaeflame94]

Leo was yawning at the beginning of this.. wonder what he plays like fully rested lol.

[@shyxiii1377]

link has always been my guyy, hope i see more people use him

[@Erstadan]

T played really REALLY well. I wonder why he never downtilt in 4 games though

[@gregm8693]

A Link player that doesn't keep spamming projectiles. I respect that.

[@JoaoVictor-kg4wn]

NAIR

[@いすゞ-g4w]

4:36 レオ追いかけスギィ

[@Brion15]

Now imagine if T actually used arrows and bomb set ups ?! He would of won or caused a extreme challenge .

[@bigtoblerone8446]

Yes but i think the problem is mkleo might not have let him. T was kinda forced to just rely on nair most of the time

[@Brion15]

Big Toblerone I agree but the only thing we can truly evaluate is T’s previous matches to see if mkleo truly wasn’t letting him and after seeing all his matches he seems to only play with links sword style and doesn’t seem to bother using arrows or bomb set ups.

[@TheSquirrelbeast]

He got 5th at one the most stacked tournaments of the year. Maybe, just maybe, there's a reason why he plays Link the way he does.

[@Amphanotes]

You can tell T was impressed by Leos edge guarding at the end of game 2. I was too tbh

[@Oygurd]

Joker without arsen: cant kill at 140 up air Joker with arsen: kills at 110

[@NinjaHoff]

Wolf: kills at 80 with back-air and 50 with down-smash at ledge... I mean when you think about it the numbers don't mean as much as the callouts

[@oliviergagnon8719]

Killing at 110 isn't that early

[@j.rubach9910]

Bayo’s up air doesn’t even kill at 140% literally outside of the blast zone lmao

[@Jfray252]

Joker can also kill with back-air at 80 and with Arsene its hitbox size increases and has a big hitbox. Joker even without arsene is better than Sheik and many other characters. Your callout is bad

[@gustavohidalgo3129]

I love how when Mkleo loses a match everyone gets all pumped up lol

[@doomslayer8431]

Lxl yeah

[@davidwang7626]

There were a lot of things T could have done better but he did great despite his flaws under all the pressure

[@加州船]

ジョーカーと戦ってる時のリンクマジ英傑

[@AppaTheRottweiler]

Constantly trying to get in on Leo regardless of the situation. Respect

[@krishmidha1037]

I'm a link main and I have so much inspiration now

[@jacobreynolds3917]

This is the most compelling smash character match.

[@totsukay0tschool215]

Although T has this amazing playing skills,he will start to work at a general company and be deprived of time to play smash next year.....

[@frewtlewps1152]

Totsuka y0t school T brings the hype :(

[@nousername191]

Gotta pay the bills.

[@Exorcist_ali248]

Sad... but it's hard to be an adult and play smash because it's not a job but it takes a lot of time

[@baldr9390]

Nooo....but life comes first always. At least he’s going out on a bang!

[@Andrzejkl94]

@@Exorcist_ali248 Same with every competitive game

[@setsana_inc]

Link mains, channel your power to our boy T

[@andrewmurphy8234]

OMG MKleo is ultra instinct personified. as someone trying to get into Joker he edge guards like a monster

[@palescarz]

My two favorite pro players going against each other with my mains.... epic

[@sleevelessace7920]

i was going for T cause i play link but Leo is just fckn insane with joker its crazy no one else plays joker much

[@まんむ-i8t]

崖際の空Nはleoでも上がるのが面倒そうやなw

[@firestorm3k882]

10:00 That bait Mkleo did was REALLY GOOD. I think I might try to apply that to my own gameplay.

[@anthonyjeong5497]

Damn, odds really worked out in the second game for Leo here...

[@CristianFlores-wz8rc]

Didn't realize how good Link's frame data was, particularly on his aerials

[@LoofTroop]

As a link main I can tell you his frame data really isn’t good but good links and especially T know how to take advantage of Links fast fall ability to make aerials more frequent

[@jasonlobo2350]

@@LoofTroop yeah let me nair you when we talk about it

[@helpssb2698]

@@LoofTroop link nair is negative 2 on strong hit and negative 3 on weak. It has 6 frames of landing lag. Sheik fair is -2 and has 5 frames of landing lag. Your point?

[@spreadwuvokay]

@@helpssb2698 Having one amazing move doesn't mean a character has good frame data, Link is too slow on everything else. Which is why he's usually upper middle tier

[@helpssb2698]

having one good move can definetley mean you have good frame data. You can use a move as many times as you need. If you think it wouldn't cover many options/only be useful in a handful of situations than you would be wrong. Due to having a 90% fall speed increase when fast falling (majority of the cast has a 60% increase) he is able to mixup the time he falls with a nair. fast fall nair and non fast fall nair are almost entirely different options. Additonally, he can cross up nair, so link has this many options with this one move: Fast fall nair non fast fall nair cross up nair cross up fast fall nair if people start challenging him before the move comes out, wavebounce boomerang covers him. Additonally back air has very good frame data. His moves either have really good frame data, or very large hitboxes. His frame data is fine. Also i have never seen anyone say link is mid tier except near the start of the game.

[@nepia3289]

Leoのジョーカーだけレベル違いすぎだろ

[@ryanrzjr]

I love T, im a link fan, but im so glad mkleo isn't hated like ZeRo or Hbox are by their communties due them being #1. The man is good and he deserves it.

[@keithtestaverde3712]

Crazy part is this is a bad matchup for link because of his weight he is easy to combo. T is so sick, and he's barely using the bomb in neutral and edge guard

[@kuramijuno2482]

I'm getting civil war vibes from this tournament and I'm liking it quite a bit.

[@rubenhero6876]

T is really good player. Good job T 👏

[@Yokai_Yuri]

This is the perfect example of how Leo's joker is on a WHOLE different league than Zackray's, yet people think Zackray is just inches away of being the better Joker lmao.

[@mechakucha_]

Leo mains Joker while everyone else mains Arsene

[@amala1333]

@@mechakucha_ amen

[@AlexRaEU]

Leos bait at the end was insane lol

[@samuelabbottchannel]

Man I respect MKLeo but if I had to watch someone all day it would def be T

[@icetrey8662]

13:41 Absolutely God Like

[@deuce219]

Even though I not a Link main. I love good Link Gameplay

[@210antonio7]

T came thru rippin. mk leo final stock juke was beautiful

[@sporesyncro]

it might be just me but when the ad plays and reveals how much time is left in the video it destroys all the hype for the match. i think oh man this could be anyones match (add plays only 4 min left on video). oh.... got it mkleo won no need to watch the rest

[@BagTalkClips]

T had tht set he jus had a couple mess ups tht made him lose he couldve honestly took the dub

[@_sleepco]

Does links Nair to hero spin do more damage than Nair to grab? Gonna have to hit the lab I'm curious why T did that move so much Also it really bugs me that T wasn't able to adapt to those joker upairs, he got the jump timing perfectly to avoid it by just a few inches, you can definitely respond with a dair to punish him mid attack since links dair trumps almost everything, could even spike into double dair upB

[@jackattackhissnack]

Yes it links at certain percents

[@_sleepco]

I just feel like a lot of links shy away from dair bc of the landing lag but it really has a lot of good uses as an areial punishment. Pretty impressive to see how well T does without using links full toolset tho

[@jackattackhissnack]

In some matchups it's great. I have experienced the Joker matchup though and it's too easy for him (or any fast character) to run to the side and hit you out of it or shark your landing. It's definitely good in certain matchups though.

[@PinoyYoung]

nair to grab has strict spacing, whereas nair to hero spin is pretty safe guaranteed damage.

[@_sleepco]

@@PinoyYoung that makes a ton of sense, links grab is one of the fastest but has a very short range and the frames it takes to microspace would allow shield

[@yufo9601]

1年経ってみんなが至高の領域に近づいてきてる.........。

[@420shelly2]

From a link main that was the sickest shit ever was close game !

[@wowieeitme7714]

Two players that deserve the world 👏

[@Snowballsage]

5:16 smash 4 fox flashbakcs

[@Blake_Aphra]

I wanna see T vs. Tea!

[@Dimadome12]

This was some good play from both players. Great matches

[@ReyaadGafur]

The best smash ult player in the world versus the letter T

[@I3imbi]

Their neutral game is crazy

[@JuicyLeek]

I feel like the crowd was on T’s side. Why did everyone cheer so loudly when T won a game, but nobody cheered when MkLeo did?

[@MrKilljay]

Everyone wants to see a king dethroned. Especially by a Link player.

[@Scythra]

Link is underrated, and T shows why. The Nair and Fair's are such a great zoning tools and T plays a Link completely different than other Link's with projectiles.

[@BigDaddy-hz4mh]

Because people despise joker mkleo is insane but people just hate "arsene" not even joker just arsene.

[@natehatake4795]

T really said “I’m sick of your shit Mkleo!”

[@sympathy_for_strays]

T is phenomenal. One thing, I feel like he could’ve been grabbing more? He had Leo in shield a lot to respect n’air.

[@notednuance]

Idk joker is so much faster and link isn't going to convert grabs to more damage except at low percent, probably wasnt safe/worth it to throw out grabs.

[@sympathy_for_strays]

NotedNuance no option’s ever truly safe if predicted. and I’d say it’s worth it off the merit of Leo having to respect the option and not just camp in shield as much as he was

[@notednuance]

@@sympathy_for_strays by worth it I mean that even if successful it wont turn in to much damage and more likely than working it will get punished. You dont see a lot of grabs in these high level tourneys for ultimate unless the character makes good use of the throw. Meaning either it's a kill move or converts to a combo for damage.

[@sympathy_for_strays]

NotedNuance I agree with you that you don’t see it a lot from most of the cast, and that Link would be categorized in that “most”. I do think, as the meta progresses, grabs will become more commonplace. This game is a lot like PM- even having several of the same top tiers- and in the early years of PM grabbing was the least common option in the RPS of neutral.

[@unboundedatom2673]

Yo man T didn't do bad, but I just think it's so unfair that everyone pops off for someone badly wining one stock on MK, while MK is always pulling off reads and crazy stuff and when he pops off I just don't think people give him the reaction he deserves

[@showmeyourmoves8551]

Every pro players agrees link is a high tier but no one plays the character except t

[@riku2508]

I like mkleo because his fighting is sooo beautiful.

[@danielhampson1124]

Feels bad T had two major SD’s :(((

[@bonahldoh]

4:34 What was that, an up dash cancel into forward?

[@Alabemba]

This brings Link back to A tier, and that’s a fact.

[@noegiussani3749]

Link always was A but in my hearth is S

[@imbatrossthescrub2096]

Link top 15 idc what anyone says

[@bigtoblerone8446]

YES

[@soraisfinallyhere1305]

Mad respect T! Link mains Rise up!

[@jonathanmeyer2905]

I am analyzing this set and so much shit is going on. MKleo shields to bait a crossup nair so he could bair with Arsene, but T was baiting the bair oos so he could punish it with a grounded oos up-b. wow.

[@xxwallzxx4509]

It is in facebook about that it wasn't needed and against my rights and personal space. It is in a part comment.

[@thelordoftheweebs9501]

Bruh that Sd last game was HILARIOUS 😂