MSM 220 - CLG | Void (Joker) Vs NVR | Elegant (Luigi) Winners Semi - Smash Ultimate

[@zee7649]

1:52 is Elegant ok

[@ramuk1127]

Zee he does that on occasion when he mashes

[@davidmorneau5260]

He's such a passionate and emotive player. One of my favorite!

[@xeize]

Its part of the mashing tech

[@IGamingStation]

That is Elegant's mashing face. He used to do that all the time back in smash 4.

[@koelee]

I haven't seen Elegant's mash face since Smash 4. It's for whatever reason, pretty nostalgic seeing it again.

[@cetusdf3380]

Elegant's faces during the handwarmer omg

[@kladen3]

Classic Elegant lol. Even in Smash 4

[@GyanKeis]

What is he doing

[@Hazkov]

@@GyanKeis practicing mashing

[@Malak-qr8bf]

That game 2 reminded me of how stocks could vanish in Smash 4 holy shit

[@Dan_Da_Glow]

Alooooot of people never realized Captain Falcon in sm4sh was a killing machine, single or double jab into grab throw combo can kill at any percent

[@Dan_Da_Glow]

Into grab down throw*

[@ZDY66666]

@@Dan_Da_Glow I think he was referring to cloud and bayo but that does also exist

[@Malak-qr8bf]

@@ZDY66666 more than that too Specially Luigi's cyclone gimps and Mario's Upb with the one coin kills

[@zeno1099]

@@Malak-qr8bf sheik diddy zss Mario Luigi could mk cloud bayo ryu, even characters like rosa and lucina all had certain things that would just fucking yeet stocks

[@loicboyoguenothecanadianze8374]

Seeing how frequently Elegant uses Luigi Cyclone, I would've expected Void to Rebel's Guard that so that it would condition Elegant to be more wary of using it, especially when Elegant uses it to combo break out of grab, it's literally free Arsene.

[@forex2893]

yeah he used it quite a lot in this set and VoiD wasn't ready for it...but you can see had started shielding it later for free smash attacks

[@shepeh2416]

Yeah but if elegant starts to bait it out a free grab could really hurt void

[@chrisg8989]

Easier said then done bud.

[@loicboyoguenothecanadianze8374]

@@chrisg8989 Maybe for everything that didn't include combobreaking out of grab, you gotta admit that Elegant used Luigi Cyclone everytime Void would grab him. I'm not trying to come across as if I could do better, if I did.

[@Saechao629]

Yeah he never adapted to cyclone. He could have did so many down throw or up throw to rebels guard.

[@originalbestdadofgaming]

2:18 Elegant omg

[@Bocahj4]

As a frequent luigi player myself, doing finger bangs is a right of passage.

[@swampsong9740]

elegant was listening to bruno mars at 8:29

[@marcoflores2594]

Amazing how much Elegants Luigi influences the amount of views each video has

[@garrettwoods4940]

Void really playing against his clone like we wouldn’t notice.

[@johndavis9933]

Elegant is one of the most aware players I’ve ever seen, his punish game (not even counting his consistent zero to deaths) is near perfect

[@zmanjace1364]

Alright, these are 2 of the best commentators I've heard for Smash. Can we get them to do all of it?

[@ejstephens7918]

They were decent, I'd never complain about them as they were great at talking about what's going on, but they really don't have the personality that the bigger names do. I can see what's going on for myself. For me, Rod at let's make big moves saying "hit'em with the patreon" about Paul's fair had me cracking up and that's what I enjoy in my commentary. It's up to personal taste though

[@irium_pls]

@@aarondilts6925 yeah they seem very technically minded, pointing out things I'd not have thought of, such as when void got falling up-air string on the platform, one of the commentators said "if that's me, I'm just annoyed that happened" and how the real damage is psychological because it really only did around 30%, which I didn't notice

[@largenaq2935]

Great insight, not so great hype factor. Still good commentators though

[@iluminaciondelcielo.995]

Que lastima por Void... es de los jugadores que más manos tiene. Sus habilidades son realmente muy buenas y precisas. Una lástima que sus personajes ya no funcionen bien en el competitivo y tenga que recurrir a usar a Joker, personaje que se ve no le gusta demasiado. Esperemos pronto un buff a Sheik

[@parrabiebrichpablo1634]

@Efrén Olivarría es más cancerígeno joker, todo el mundo lo usa y hace combos de 80 con solo existir 🙄

[@iluminaciondelcielo.995]

@Efrén Olivarría pero se necesitaban manos para usarlo. Habilidad. No como varios personajes posteriores dígase Cloud, Bayonetta o en ultimate Palutena. Que ya se juegan casi solos. Usar a Sheik requiere de mucha precisión.

[@darkyu3229]

@Pabloparra Biebrich una cosa es que muchas personas jueguen con Joker por qué está padre y otra cosa es que jueguen muy bien, de seguro no sabes cómo pelear contra él y por eso dices que hace 80 fácilmente

[@cygnusgp]

@@parrabiebrichpablo1634 aww manquito

[@Rael-777]

Acuerdate de que MK LEO, el mejor jugador de Smash Ultimate usa a Joker constantemente

[@YudiLRoy]

Pac land is my favorite competitive stage

[@jean-alexandre5594]

Ha, filthy casual, everyone knows its great cave offensive

[@rngnes__]

No no no. We all know it's Palutena's temple

[@green999h]

only casuals play on fd

[@john_stromboli]

Boi pac land ain't even tournament legal

[@green999h]

bruh

[@trime1015]

History might prove me wrong but I think people try to play Joker no matter what because others told them that he is better than he actually is, when people learn how to play areound him. They´ll just shoot themselves in their feet (similar to Tweek dropping Wario). I hope Void goes back to refining his Sheik instead.

[@williamw8590]

Also as a Joker main, everyone and their mother picking up Joker means that everyone knows the matchup now too, which makes it an even WORSE idea to pick him up. I think only Leo, Zackray, Eon, and a few other top players should be sticking with the character rn, although using him as a counterpick (like Nairo did against Olimar) is probably more valid for the rest of the pack

[@x3n068]

Trime Void should just go back to Pichu.

[@christopherclark1854]

I doubt void is playing because of others. Joker fits his playstyle more than anything else, it seems.

[@ClassicBentobox]

The potential for Joker is still higher than most characters. It’s like saying because Fox in Melee is hard to play and well documented that he’s no longer top tier. Joker still has a broken moveset.

[@zoidbergington]

Bruh, it's a weekly.

[@lapotato9140]

Yall REALLY gonna tell me that LUIGI is the one who has cheese when joker down gun blatantly exists? Yeah ok sure

[@PrinceEvince]

Skip to 1:50 to see something amazing

[@bonsoir7495]

Elegant be like

[@EVC1094]

6:30 Holy shit. That combo was crazy.

[@ford950]

Literally the most basic Luigi zero-to-death but whatever

[@MrEmmanuel678]

You did not just say that, gosh these kids with Luigi these days getting way in over their head. Luigi is one of the most braindead characters to play and easiest. No effort in any move you do, I hope he gets buffs in that down air so it can’t connect anymore lmao

[@mohammedaldeghaither6555]

Manjoe Salty from losing to a lot of luigis? Lol. I dear you to pick luigi and play against me we will see how “braindead” of a character he is

[@MrEmmanuel678]

Mohammed Aldeghaither Lmao 😂 no kid, get my FC and let’s play. I’ll BOP you kid. I’m just saying the character is lazy and has no effort in play. If you prove that to me you’re just another scrub but yes provide your friend code and I will destroy you kid.

[@MrEmmanuel678]

Lmao back in my prime Luigis weren’t shit to me, Lucina is my main and I never struggled with this match up, but man how lazy it is to just down air and nair into up-b. Not “omg crazy combo” get tf outta here

[@carlosbrambila4667]

I might be a fan boy but the only fun joker to watch is Leo’s

[@Carlisho]

Agree

[@restfulsounds3992]

The one and only and what’s not fun about watching a god?

[@DrSwazz]

Every time I see a Leo/Tweek vid, it’s basically an anime rerun.

[@carlosbrambila4667]

The one and only even the sets where he loses are fun to watch

[@joshelloo4201]

What happened to “Lauren 🖤”

[@JosukeZ]

i guess she goes to another LUIGI, poor elegant.

[@Drew-tm5pe]

Guess they broke up

[@SwagZombie]

Joshello That’s not his ign name, they blocked it off with the players names instead.

[@christopherclark1854]

@@SwagZombie True but at the start of the match it also displays their username, and it just said Player 2

[@SwagZombie]

Top Gun Oh, well maybe Elegant forgot or something happened between them.

[@Exorcist_ali248]

I don't think VoiD likes this character, and it shows. It looks like he only knows how to use Arsene Joker, other players are much more solid without him

[@NinjaGamer820]

bruh what

[@jjstatic102]

He prob doesn’t but joker is the meta

[@Exorcist_ali248]

@@jjstatic102 it's not that simple, if you don't enjoy what you're doing you do it worse

[@trime1015]

@@jjstatic102 Joker being mistreated by almost everyone is the meta

[@stuffedlegoguy461]

@@jjstatic102 fuck the meta. His other characters are sick, he just needs to train harder and dedicate himself

[@xtacothunderx]

elegant just mashin

[@rensaito9009]

TacoThunder bro what? Elegant is insane At least be better before u trash talk

[@atlas7736]

@@rensaito9009 probably referring to handwarmer lol

[@rensaito9009]

@@atlas7736 i have made a continuous and severe lapse in my judgement

[@atlas7736]

@@rensaito9009 😦😭😭

[@rogersparadox8848]

*NairoMK wants to know your location*

[@indigo4740]

You know when Elegant mashes...he doesn't look so elegant

[@Gianlucitoo]

1:40 elegant?

[@gigaflippz2551]

Jean VFX lol he looks like he’s trying to do your profile pic

[@Gianlucitoo]

@@gigaflippz2551 ahegao

[@ピーターパーカー-j3i]

Jean VFX アヘ顔草

[@Gianlucitoo]

@@ピーターパーカー-j3i wtf

[@kevstiburodracon1024]

7:14 Why he's not using the down taunt? It suppose that any ability can be used right? 😞

[@ngomotion]

I need to see elegant use cyclone less because in some situations he gets punished for it, use it only for mix ups for landing, getting back on stage, and combo breaking on ground and in air. He also needs to up smash out of shield and when opponents miss grabs because that turn around half jab in game 3 was not it. Elegant needs to use up smash more than cyclone because void was playing closer to Luigi and it's a good option rather than just cyclone

[@zoidbergington]

FaZe CruTch He might be doing the cyclone that much on purpose. If people start trying to bait cyclone, he can punish it with grab which is arguably worse for the opponent.

[@ngomotion]

@@zoidbergington You're absolutely right bro, I just need to see a better out of shield option like up smash, and even cyclone actually sometimes. He grabs out of shield a lot and Luigi's grab is too slow to do out of shield. And he should obviously up b when they do something unsafe on it.

[@zoidbergington]

@@ngomotion Yup, I agree.

[@usern4metak3ns]

Yet cyclone worked 70 percent of the time and took cheap stocks and the win. Maybe you aren't as good as cyclone spamming elec#nt.

[@ngomotion]

@@usern4metak3ns it's not cheap stocks bum. It kills mad late and its simply a combo breaker, yoshi's nair is more broken. Snake is more broken since you wanna talk about spamming moves. As well as banjos egg. You just accept the fact that Luigi and cyclone will never be bad in smash

[@frewtlewps1152]

If VoiD wants to play more of Joker, I know that he can be very successful with him. Joker is one of the few characters in Ultimate that can excel in many play styles. MkLeo, Tweek, and Zackray’s Jokers are all drastically different and all of them have gotten good results.

[@moss7910]

Tweek dropped him with little success

[@SupremeCourt]

Amazing games between these two!

[@crayhack]

I wish void played more sheik again, it was beautiful

[@zake64]

13:35 VoiD was not prepared for the Pac-Land counterpick.

[@mmmmgood7318]

Where can I get a GameCube controller like these dudes have. Any links?

[@adamquenano8563]

The Smash 4 legends in one room

[@davidmorneau5260]

But with a much more fun game to watch than Smash4

[@adamquenano8563]

David Morneau That’s not saying much

[@bibbyboxx2219]

Larry in the back!

[@Windrammer]

Smash 4 was better

[@joshdamighty]

6:50 It is so crazy he has so much offense. *dies at 58 from bad recovery* That's why.

[@Michael-cg5qn]

Long lost brothers

[@thomasmulugeta3543]

What kind of GameCube controller does elegant use

[@liamj9261]

LETS GOOOOOO ELEGANT

[@vuke6931]

Damn void showing a whole different side to how joker can be played. What a crazy set, both players bring such a unique brand to the game that the match felt totally fresh.

[@christianbloemhof3337]

I'm glad to see Void picking up Joker, he's such a good player and deserves more than what sheik can bring to the competitive scene

[@christianbloemhof3337]

Yes IDEKKK oh you’re right I didn’t know about that

[@josephjoseph1264]

6:38 how does Elegant do that run against ledge???

[@tacticalpotato7923]

You prolly figured this out of if you run away from the ledge, and then flick your movement stick back towards the ledge, you do this really long turnaround animation. If you hold a and b during that animation (it's kinda strict) then you won't run off the ledge for whatever reason.

[@DeltaTried]

Imagine thinking cyclone is busted.😂😂

[@IAm-zo1bo]

Just shield and ultra punish

[@Oygurd]

Void and elegant are twin brothers from another mother

[@ClassicBentobox]

The sad part is that Joker is really close to not being broken. B-air, Rebels Guard, how fast the meter grows, a ton of multi-hit moves, moves that reset and drag-down, TETRAKARN He just needs things adjusted a little bit so that he isn’t such a consistent monster once you get his attacks down

[@moss7910]

But elegant won Also he’s not even that close to being broken, he just has some annoying but effective tools. If he never gets any form of nerf I wouldn’t lose sleep over it.

[@atlas7736]

Hated joker for a while but if luigis can tough out matches then it's probably not that bad, I think the part that gets people is Jokers constant access to multiple but minor options that lead to 60% strings at any point

[@ClassicBentobox]

Moss ' “Joker is really close to not being broken” Yoshis can be good against Fox in Melee but that doesn’t make Fox any less technical and powerful. Jokers tools are good against a majority of the cast. Multi-hits alone make a character stronger due to things like parrying, ryu/Ken focus attack, super-armor, and hell even Rebels Guard. But on top of that, Joker has an easy edgeguard with tetrakarns size and lasting hitbox, which invalidates many up-b’s. As well as rebels guard being a 3 frame instant super armor that makes him stronger, without nearly as much commitment as someone like Inceniroar. His gimp ability, as well as almost all his aerials being kills with Arsene. A literal poison, and with how fast he can move, along with having guns means he has an easy keepaway game. And I don’t think Void was using his tools as he should. He let him get away with tornado way more times than he should, especially when he could’ve abused tetrakarn and rebels guard more, and he also engaged with him more often than he should have. Campy will win sets more often. You know what though? Plenty of other characters have similar tools. It’s just that Joker has all of them. And he has many weaknesses too, he’s not a god or anything. But he’s just barely broken, and once the meta develops further, unless at least one tool is nerfed, he’ll only continue to grow in popularity, and in slow defensive gameplay.

[@CamFGC]

@@ClassicBentobox I don't think Jokers multi hits are a big advantage. While they do beat focus, other super armor works just fine against them. For other stuff, I'd just say it's a case of learning the matchup. I play shiek and just like fighting any other character with a counter, you have to slow down (with your combos, etc) to prepare to punish it in case it's used. As for arsene, while it can come by pretty fast, it can disappear just as fast, and again I play shiek. People tend to instantly become defensive, which simply doesn't work, you should stay agressive but you should also be careful. Leo's the only too level joker player, so it's probably not a matchup everyone gets to practice often but personally I think when more players adjust, they'll do better against him

[@fissilewhistle]

You people throw the word “broken” around too freely. Meta Knight was broken. Akuma in SSFII was broken. Joker is not that, not even close. Is he overtuned? Yeah, probably, but he’s far from broken. The top tiers of the previous games put him to shame.

[@sclark615]

These guys look like big brother and Lil brother

[@LovelyDuck]

Bob Is life It would be funny if VoiD played Mario too lul

[@thestarlightsymphonyseries]

Void lost because he did not have faith in his own main character

[@t.h.mcelroy6597]

That was a great set! Congrats El!

[@calebcampbell3169]

Why did they include the part where he warned his hands and more importantly why did I watch him warm his hands

[@austinhudson774]

To see elegants mash face at 1:52

[@adilfhortler1398]

1:43 this is what you see when you die

[@lidozfynest]

How can I do that Luigi run on the edge without falling?

[@Milr._jpg]

lidozfynest I was wondering the same thing lol

[@Jl2damax]

Lmao, I was wondering too. It looked cheesy and like something I should know how to do

[@Percubone]

You have to have A+B smash attack on, you press and hold A+B in the middle of a skid turnaround. The smash attack won't come out and you'll sticky ledge run until you let go of A+B :)

[@Milr._jpg]

Brandon Pressley oh wow thanks

[@h2dfives799]

@@Milr._jpg it's a good way to flex on your opponent

[@christopherbf1197]

They look like lights skinned mix versions of each other. I’m here for it!!!

[@jonnywatts7079]

Void I got like 30 piks at the crib bro u need one? 😂

[@Meltdownlv100]

I was wondering if anyone in the comments would mention that. As soon as I saw the boi I felt a chill down my spine 😆

[@Whydidtheychangeittohandlesnow]

Good to see elegant back

[@LuksDahoraGamer]

Twins with same clothing in the back

[@luiso1844]

whats the song in game 5?

[@DeltaTried]

Route 10 pokemon B/W

[@lordfredplus]

Misfire needs super armor or more priority

[@ngomotion]

Right because that back air shouldn't have hit because the hitbox was still active. Side b for Luigi as a whole should be buffed since his recovery is so bad. Pikachu and pichu essentially have the exact same move property, yet theirs go way futher. Their uncharged sibe b goes further than misfire and that's not okay. It needs to go further and it needs more priority or super armor

[@DerDrBach]

And maybe... A 1 in 6 chance in stead of 10 to come out... Pleeeeeease?

[@DeltaTried]

Honestly that made me very mad.

[@cccatoy3684]

Elegant proves once again that luigi is the God of mario bros franchise, never underestimate the underdog

[@xThe4thx]

Came back to this video again for some Intel... in my opinion he should have went Wolf. I play sheik and a lil joker and i definitely feel wolfs consistent power and hitboxes better compete with Luigi’s absurd hitboxes and cheese

[@AberdeenPass]

December ?!

[@JayKSilver]

Damn man what happened to Void?

[@lxvi2441]

NICHOLAS MAK sheik. he's working on his joker, but he's leaning more sheik for the long term

[@picotera7328]

@@lxvi2441 I feel like sheik is just not viable enough in the top of the top level and that hurts Void's results

[@lxvi2441]

picotera nah thats what people said in smash 4 too. sheik just needs a lot more time and work to make her way into the meta. once she does, you'll see. similar thing with ICs. just give it time

[@vanderleybaltodano6417]

This was a smash 4 set, stocks were taken so fast

[@SwanPrincess899]

Elegant and Void look like they could be brothers change my mind 😂👌 elegant is so handsome though.

[@deoxxys]

no they look nothing alike other then their hair

[@carlosmoncayo596]

Bien ese Luigui uno de mis personajes favoritos

[@nikhielbiswas5061]

They low key look like brothers

[@JESS-CH]

My two favorite players 👍

[@HumbleBovine]

They look like each other's Echo Fighters

[@comettitun8087]

everybody should play joker in 20xx hes very sick

[@mexicanmuslim]

Larry looking mad cute in the back

[@ElDrHouse2010]

that dude looking at his phone as the match start is how I feel about all this video: 6:21

[@usern4metak3ns]

When in doubt cyclone as usual...

[@ngomotion]

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. It works, Haha Haha Haha. BE MAD

[@moss7910]

When in doubt spam arsene back air

[@usern4metak3ns]

@@moss7910 the back air doesn't have invincibility. Yer dumb

[@CamFGC]

It's a combo breaker. Void should've baited them and punished them (which shiek would probably be alot better for). People really just don't like adapting I see

[@adamjustice6485]

Noone gonna talk about the game 2 gun gimps? Or how you can just outspace cyclone (VERY easy with a character as fast as joker) or shield it and get a free smash attack?

[@Fxz1]

do people even watch ssbu local tournament no days? or its just me.

[@chrisg8989]

26k views... Clearly it's just you. 🤔

[@exodus1759]

Both great players

[@brolockaye3601]

Damn I had no Idea Void still played lol

[@tavoton1989]

13:10 saw that lol

[@lukefischer1323]

Tavo Ton saw what

[@tavoton1989]

look at the girl in the back

[@lukefischer1323]

Oh lmao

[@74eeekas]

最初カイロで手温めてるvoidかわいい

[@ElitheSensei]

These guys almost have the same hair lmao

[@ジーランス-u9l]

voidついにジョーカー使っちゃうのかー

[@fullcoffee950]

void u must main ur rat again..

[@pouks]

It looks like he just plays what is highest tier in current meta, and thus left pichu as it was falling behind. I think it's kinda sad

[@moss7910]

Poulbleu Therian I think he doesn’t realize the importance of enjoying the character he plays, even if pichu/shiek isn’t top tier that shouldn’t matter as much

[@celticwind4122]

@@moss7910 He isnt here to have fun hes here to win, shiek wont get him anywhere near as far in bracket as Joker would even if he enjoys playing him less.

[@moss7910]

Celtic Wind but that’s just false He’s not done well with joker at all His other characters have preformed much better Actually enjoying your character really effects how you play

[@CamFGC]

@@moss7910 a.) He's practiced joker since he came out and helped make the "I played joker for 3 days video" B.) He's enjoyed all of the characters he's played and has only stopped playing them when he felt they aren't fun C.) At a recent tournament he's said he enjoyed joker Learn about a topic before you talk about it my guy

[@edmagostoful]

I know a barber who could fix these dudes up lol

[@Luiz9566]

The best players xD

[@benn9_9_9]

Let's go Matt!

[@MinecraftPLayer282]

19:13

[@dio4296]

Did Void forget that Joker has a counter?

[@NotDM]

Void forgot to dash atk 3 times in a row

[@kevinalbarn120]

i love how good playaers with the best characters in smash are destroyed by the best players with "prank" characters lol

[@celticwind4122]

6:38 Man this character is stupid getting a free 0-death combo.... except 5 seconds later joker gets another stupid kill just by spamming guns. conclusion smash can be really dumb.

[@lapotato9140]

I mean the luigi combo is like seven consecutive pretty precise move inputs and you need to get a decent grab to start it and joker’s is just literally “oh is he recovering low? Nah not anymore just hold the b button”

[@juanyepez2837]

Void = MkLeo?

[@Milr._jpg]

I want Voids controller 🥺

[@deanchu1784]

Yo it’s TSM Korean in the audience! That guy is such a dope commentator

[@truvic5274]

Just 2 brothers..

[@dr.waffle245]

I'd say leave it to leo imo

[@thegoat-sg5hg]

Let’s gooooooo elegant

[@kurosuna]

Down B wins again... why tf does that even exist... invincibility like that...

[@peculiarcomics2255]

One of the commentators sounds so much like ant venom

[@DeltaTried]

Yea I hear it.😂😂

[@creatineaddict]

I really don’t like when casters replace their Rs with Ws. Makes it so hard to listen to

[@henryz8305]

Battle of the curly heads

[@Gimo_fuerte31047]

Lo unico que odie de smash ultimate es el nerfeo al cyclon de luigi ya que teniendo en cuenta que este ataque te elevaba en smash 4 eran como 3 opciones de recuperacion sin contar los saltos y ahora solo 2 y eso que el green misil de luigi ya no tiene tanto alcanze

[@chrisg8989]

Dont get me wrong. Elegant is amazing. But watching Luigi down special spam all game felt annoying.

[@IIIISai]

Lmao Elegant kinda looks like luigi

[@hirosasaki3340]

They are like the same person but one is blacker that the other

[@mp10tb]

Not even close to Mkleo's Joker.

[@trumoo2058]

luigi cyclone looks so tilting

[@ボルボックス-p5r]

Voidにはピチューを極めて欲しかった…