Bookborn tolerates us for 2 hours | 2 To Ramble #70

[@Bookborn]

You really just went for it putting that clip first huh 🤣 So fun talking to you guys! Lets do therapy again soon

[@slidenaway]

Shout out to your Michael Scott joke (win win WIN) that I don’t think anyone else got!!

[@thomaswrites]

My biggest takeaway from this episode is that Bookborn is the mother figure that Richard and Austin both need. 😂

[@Bookborn]

💁‍♀

[@DarkHorseDanny]

Bookborn: "Let children read whatever they want" Berserk: "Imma about to ruin these childrens' mental states"

[@samm8190]

This is one of the best videos y’all have done. Sadly I was disappointed by how insightful and deep the conversation got, I was hoping for more benign and nonsensical talk

[@2ToRamble]

Sorry, we’ll return to all the dumb stuff when it’s just Richard and I. We were very offended she made us talk about interesting stuff for once

[@RANDOMH3RO666]

I hope you never stop doing this. You guys have become one of my favourite channels on KZbin

[@2ToRamble]

Why must you be so nice. Thank you, this comment made me rethink life.

[@6ixpoint5ive]

This was incredible! You and bookborn (and daniel greene) are the booktubers I watch on a weekly basis now, so this was a treat. You're all three of you so insightful and welcoming and the banter is a joy. (also Bookborn putting her mom hat on; highlight of the episode!)

[@2ToRamble]

Thankyou! Honored to be amonst to Booktubers you watch 🫡 and let alone be in the same sentence as them. Cheers!

[@rosssims7224]

“It’s called lumber” had me dying!

[@2ToRamble]

😭😂

[@Bakert112]

At least one person sees the greatness of Golden Son

[@2ToRamble]

YEEEEES! I need allies!

[@yremogtnomnad]

Golden Son is lit af, just reread it and it was even better the second time 🔥💯

[@stevenstewart782]

Well I'm only on book 1 so I'll have to let you know when I get there

[@Jed_Herne]

Only a few minutes in and the chaos is already fantastic. Love this pod!

[@LeonC0704]

Hahahahahaha bookborn knowing more about Home Depot was just hilarious

[@LeonC0704]

Hahahaha “make fun of his baldness, join me” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH WOOOOW

[@chief8625]

I was drinking coffee and almost spit it out when Bookborn was giving Austin crap about his unrealistic score of Golden Son. I'm honestly curious what his score is whenever you guys get to reviewing Morning Star.

[@Bookborn]

I'm so glad to see that everyone is as confused as I am 💀

[@LeonC0704]

@@BookbornHAHAHAHAHAHA the way you brought chaos to his “logic” was chef kiss

[@Keaggan]

I really hope you interview more booktubers. You both did a great job turning this whole thing into a good conversation.

[@2ToRamble]

Very kind thank you big time - we will work on fixing that issue we had at the beginning of the episode and then it’s off to the races

[@AmbientCinematics]

Win win win situation @bookborn gets a 5/5 vibe check rating for dropping a reference to The Office! 😂 Great discussion guys, my two favourite booktube channels together in one video - made my morning that much better! 🙌

[@2ToRamble]

Youre too kind 🔥🔥

[@Bookborn]

YES I've been waiting for someone to get the reference. Gold star ⭐

[@AmbientCinematics]

@@Bookborn gold star and a gold/blue yogurt lid!🥇(niche office references getting deeper and deeper over here)

[@IndigoStat]

Ya'll need to make another episode with her. One of if not the best guest episodes on this channel

[@2ToRamble]

We will look to do something again! Was so fun

[@fyrecracker7201]

Just started listening to you guys recently and love it! Hope to see you guys review Malazan soon as well as Sanderson’s other cosmere stuff!

[@2ToRamble]

We will venture into Malazan one day! And thanks for watching our stuff and the love 👊

[@battlestarkoala]

Oh this is delightful. I haven't been able to watch it all because it's late but I'll watch it all tomorrow after work - but I had to skip to the ratings / golden son bit and the horror on bookborn's face at the 10 out of 10 rating for Golden Son really summed up how I felt in the sense that it's a fine as a rating if you're doing a vibe check rating system, but not if you're doing an objective rating system. She said it way better than I said in my video reply to you but I think I said something along the lines of it being ok to have all the various categories and objective ratings, but you probably need to have a way to acknowledge that sometimes, the emotional impact category will just blow everything else out of the water i.e. you love a book / movie so much that even though it's objectively not as good in relation to x y and z - but you love it so much that to you it's a 10 out of 10. As to honouring your past self, I always want to do that if I can and some books I used to love I still love like Anne of Green Gables, Robin McKinley, Little Women, Garth Nix's initial first 2 in the Old Kingdom series ... but there are other books, movies and series that get visited by what Brandon Sanderson and Dan Wells called "The Suck Fairy". I've definitely had the Suck Fairy visit things I used to absolutely love and turn something I used to be crazy about into something that makes me cringe :P

[@Bookborn]

The Suck Fairy is the worst and it hits us all 😭 Haven't reread Garth Nix, going to keep those memories pure as I loved him lol

[@battlestarkoala]

@@Bookborn Sabriel, Lirael and Abhorsen have managed to avoid the Suck Fairy for me, but I've had a few authors fall prey to it .. Liz Berry etc :( It's very sad

[@KaydianBladebreaker]

Great episode from all three of you, I was worried that two hours would get boring but I loved it the whole way thru.

[@2ToRamble]

Ah mighty compliment, thank you kaydian

[@KaydianBladebreaker]

Thumb up for Andor, best SW production I've ever seen.

[@tgibridays]

Also, you guys have to try Andor! It was so good! The best Star wars content I've seen since I was a kid. I was one of the people yelling at Bookborn to give it a try.

[@Bookborn]

And I highly, highly thank you as it's probably one of my favorite Star Wars media...ever.

[@tgibridays]

Bookborn, we were all confused at Austin's Golden Son enthusiasm. I mean, I get it. It's all hype. The man knows what he likes. I'm with Austin: you can have two five star books.

[@tgibridays]

Sorry, Bookborn. I think I voted for you to do the Rings of Power breakdowns and I definitely didn't watch any of the show. Haha

[@2ToRamble]

You were one of the voters? 😂😂 She might never forgive you

[@tgibridays]

@@2ToRamble yeaaaah. I didn't want to actually watch it... But wanted to know how bad it was regardless. haha

[@Bookborn]

@@tgibridays LMAOOO! I honestly think there were so many people who were like "well I don't want to watch it but I want someone else to tell me how bad it is" and like, I hard relate, I've done that with a lot of stuff too. It was my turn to take the bullet for everyone 🥲

[@tgibridays]

@@Bookborn thank you for your sacrifice. 😂

[@Wouter_K]

What a fun discussion to watch. Thank you for spending this time together and sharing it with us! As for the producers blaming fans. I do appreciate trying to be nuanced, honest and contributing to a more serious critiqueing culture. At the same time I feel that, even if only decent an valid critiques were given on a series the current culture in hollywood is to still think they are the greatest and the rest of the world is crazy (I think the Cavill-Witcher debacle is a decent example of this).

[@2ToRamble]

Interesting point! And thanks a bunch for commenting and watching 😁😁

[@ridiculousnicholas4732]

“You're not special, and you're not a guest.” lmfao😂😂

[@futurist999]

Brilliant episode!

[@2ToRamble]

Thankya!!

[@LeonC0704]

That was so interesting about comments because I have heard creators say things like they need to walk away from all the hate comments yet I only see love but I didn’t know we only see the top ones

[@Caucasians_In_Ethiopia]

Golden son made me jump out of bed and pace around the room on at least 2 different occasions. I love it.

[@arlissbunny]

So, for me, the problem with comparing prose is that the goal of prose isn’t to be especially descriptive or elegant. Prose must always be in service of the plot. People constantly say that Sanderson’s prose aren’t great but, while I love beautiful prose, Sanderson’s prose suit his plots perfectly. They aren’t just workmanlike, they are crafted to propel the reader through the story…and they do because otherwise those books would just be doorstops. Sanderson’s prose are masterful, they just are only occasionally also elegant. So, ultimately, the prose for Rhythm of War and the prose for Maggie O’Farrell’s Hamnet are both 10/10 for me. O’Farrell’s prose are insanely elegant but she’s writing about Shakespeare’s wife. SHAKESPEARE. If her language has not felt like it was just this side of godlike, it’s a fail because there is no reader who picks up Hamnet without at least a passing understanding of freaking Shakespeare. Meanwhile, Sanderson knows he got a story that’s going to clock in at more than 450,000 words. Heaven forbid he should have written the story of Rhythm of War with O’Farrell style prose. Yet, O’Farrell’s prose are nearly universally acknowledged as amazing and Sanderson’s prose are, well, not. Again, the job of prose is to live or die in service to the plot. How well they do that IS up to each of us but comparing the prose of O’Farrell to Sanderson? I’m just not sure that is useful. (At least for me.)

[@2ToRamble]

I (Austin) tend to REALLY agree with you! Thats why I have books like LOTR and Stormlight Archive so high on prose - both accomplishing the intent of their prose to perfection/near perfection. I don’t ‘compare’ the prose of Sanderson to Tolkien looking for which one is more ‘beautiful/descriptive/fastpaced/insert another adjective here’ - but rather does the prose fulfill what it intends to and are there any flaws with it? Can I visualize what the author is trying to get across? Is there any fluff? Do the characters have voices? Does it propel the plot? And both Tolkien and Sanderson do this expertly. Now if you asked me which prose is more beautiful? Tolkien. But if you asked me which prose is more ‘invisible’ (as in it is so undistracting that Im totally engaged in the story) - that would be Sanderson. They both accomplish different feats and thats okay! If I’m understanding your comment correctly, I totally agree.

[@arlissbunny]

Yes!!! :-)

[@AlexReyn888]

8:40 good wording. This is exactly the reason why I didn't read Abercrombie beyond the main trilogy and Heroes. It is difficult to read a book where all the characters are disgusting to you - and you are forced to begin to sympathize with otherworldly demons that could invade this world and destroy it with all its inhabitants.

[@jbozlinski]

I’m late to this party, but I vibe with Austin’s take on the rating system so much more, I’m sorry. It’s just makes sense to me, and watching the poor man get double teamed like this breaks my heart. You know what, Austin, I think you were the one who said you really liked the last stand trope, so. Good job holding your ground! :p

[@2ToRamble]

Ahh thankya 😁 - we will have to have Bookborn back on, this was such a fun episode

[@LeonC0704]

When you offered her a plug, you should have asked if she wanted to offer an apology for Golden Son hahaha

[@2ToRamble]

Missed opportunity lol

[@arzabael]

Booktube is life!!! - Danny Rojas (Ted Lasso)

[@Unouna10]

I really loved this but especially around 29:00 . I feel in love with reading from diary if a wimpy kid and captain underpants. Let kids read even if its stupid.

[@Tuonela0]

I stopped in the middle of golden son. It was super repetitive after awhile. I also loved the first book and was enjoying myself a lot in second book until I wasn't suddenly.

[@2ToRamble]

Ah shoot, what point lost you?

[@Tuonela0]

@@2ToRamble I was in the middle and tbh burning through these books and suddenly I realized I got tired of how repetitive the main character became and it got very boring. I enjoyed the books a lot until I wasn't. First book was quite good but the second book wasn't so much.

[@Tuonela0]

@@2ToRamble Also it is weird to get a reply from you while burning through your wheel of time content.

[@arzabael]

I did the same exact thing with prince of thorns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@davidranderson1]

Yea, a plug for research! Always remember: you can also use qualitative methods for questions quantitative/ statistical methods can't answer!

[@virusri4420]

Such an entertaining video. One of my favorite video I've watched in a while. And also I agree with rating 10 for Golden Son, Glad to see someone actually appreciates it 😂

[@2ToRamble]

Thank you 😂 Howlers unite

[@JARHuygebaert]

Love this channel so much, thats all I want to say

[@2ToRamble]

Love this comment even more. Thank you 🥲

[@JB-hq9yj]

“Yup.. it’s a deadline.” Ahahahahahah

[@PunkRockBibliophile]

Trashcan Man's response to Bookborn unable to finish The Stand: "Can you believe that happy crappy?"

[@IsaacH97]

Because of the intro to this podcast I’m subscribing. That was hilarious and I 💯 agree

[@2ToRamble]

😄😄

[@xl4712]

1) Dark Age 2) Morning Star 3) Golden Son 4) Lightbringer 5) Iron Gold 6) Red Rising Is my personal ranking for RT. I wouldnt say any of them are a 10/10 though, Dark Age for me is like a 9 ish

[@joeljimenez4159]

The whole dopamine hit thing is why I stopped playing video games. I love them but I honestly noticed that when I stopped playing I truly improved my attention span and can sit down and read.

[@PistachioGold]

I have not read Red rising series yet (still want to), its just that I heard of some stuff that sounded iffy 😂 and I think that some people may be more sensitive to certain things, and others may not even notice/remember / simply dont care 😂 so I was very much rooting for Bookborn when she got up ❤❤😂

[@misi24069]

Austin don´t worry I´m with you on the 10/10 Golden Son team

[@2ToRamble]

🤝

[@jamalerdem2055]

holy shit this is like my avengers

[@2ToRamble]

🎶 Duh Duh DUH DUUUH DUuhhh 🎶

[@orangehokage7]

Holy crap, When did you guys get to 10k subscribers? Congratulations guys!

[@2ToRamble]

We just did in the last 24 hours!! Thank you!!!

[@orangehokage7]

@@2ToRamble Glad to see you guys succeeding. Also, if you ever need content ideas you can always ask your audience. I have a few myself, and i'm sure everyone else does to.

[@2ToRamble]

@@orangehokage7 absolutely - I have to ask then! What ideas do you have?

[@orangehokage7]

@@2ToRamble I’d love to see a video on your favourite character descriptions from books. Are the descriptions funny, witty, badass or have beautiful prose? You can get a whole range or characters. A good example of this is from the book "Stuff and Nonsense" by Andrew Seiple. This is the one about a Teddy Bear who is brought to life and fights monsters. In the book we meet the house cat Pulsivar, who is described as “Twenty-five pounds of the God’s perfect killing machine, and nothing bad that happens is ever his fault. Nope, he was definitely not involved." I have never heard a more accurate description of a cat. I’m sure you have all kinds of examples. Anything from Terry Pratchett or Tolkien will be fantastic.

[@2ToRamble]

@@orangehokage7 Sorry for the late reply - thanks a bunch for the idea! just getting around to replies sorry again - and yea Pratchett and Tolkien will have a TON like you said

[@stevenstewart782]

I have a goal of10 books per month sometimes I exceed that by quite a few I don't think I'm going to hit it this month But the reason I have a goal of 120 books a year I'm in my 50s And my goal is to Read every book I own before I die So I'm being optimistic I will live to the age of 83. So do that math and you'll see how many books I own. At last count a month or so ago I owned3,850 books. I've already read Close to 1,000 of them in the lost, but is like to reread some and of course I keep buying books.😀

[@rextitan]

This video might just be the definition of "perfect chaos."

[@mayareads708]

I loooove the goodreads challenge LOL. I put a number that I easily do. I just live the tracking the numbers. Im in finance okay goodreads maths my reading i love it. All the stats ❤

[@lkay398]

I have never been more happy than I am in this moment.

[@2ToRamble]

🥂🥂

[@juliandovalina]

Have to admit, I stalked yall hoping to find if one of you had a goodreads acc. Thanks for mentioning and saving me the time, but please get a goodreads account!! Or atleast a list of highly recommended books. I’m so freakin out of the loop! Keep up the great content!

[@2ToRamble]

We will work on that!

[@heidi6281]

Guys, Song Of Ice & Fire has a ton of humor in Tyrion just like Mat is the humor of the Wheel of Time… unforgettable characters!!

[@naturalfluency2315]

The last argument of kings is top 3 fantasy books for me and I still think about it.

[@2ToRamble]

Ooo

[@inevera3530]

Golden son IS perfect

[@2ToRamble]

👆👆👆🫡

[@kyle_j_c]

This episode was awesome 👏🏽

[@2ToRamble]

👊👊

[@joem8887]

Soooo glad to hear the love for Tears of the Kingdom! 😁

[@BrownTown89]

It took me 3 years to read his dark materials. And I'm ok with that.

[@carlosbranca8080]

Well, I didn't mind looking at the lovely Bookborn for 22 minutes straight...

[@ryanratchford2530]

Oh no I'm so sorry Bookborn...

[@2ToRamble]

😂😂

[@tonkabeanicecream5698]

My wife and I much prefer more subjective broken down ratings rather than based on feelings.

[@SplinteredLight_]

I'm also in the Golden Son and LOTR advocate, hold strong man!

[@2ToRamble]

Hell yea, I found my people

[@joeljimenez4159]

Do you guys use kindles to read? I’m debating wether making the switch.

[@2ToRamble]

When I travel I use it. But I just enjoy collecting physical books more. If you read mostly in bed, an eReader is pretty great.

[@joeljimenez4159]

@@2ToRamble that’s what I was thinking. I’ll probably read the majority of my books on eReader but collect my favorite books aka Sanderson. Thank you for your input

[@jakebishop7822]

I'm just here for the rating system talk

[@CScott-wh5yk]

I can see the pain in her eyes 😆

[@matthewminckler3386]

Dragon age is so fun. But the best one is origins

[@ASHLEY.397]

I love this so much! 😂 my two fave booktubers!!

[@2ToRamble]

2 FAVORITE!!!! THERES 3 OF US IN THIS VIDEO. ASHLEY WE NEED ANSWERS WHO DO HATE!?

[@ASHLEY.397]

@@2ToRambleyou guys are basically one person!! 😂😂

[@Bookborn]

@@ASHLEY.397 it's too late Ashley you need to vote someone off the island now

[@FictionConvert]

Golden Son 15/10

[@2ToRamble]

Woooo

[@jaydakxdd975]

personally I don’t think the complexity of the way something is written effects the actual writing almost at all. for example the writing style and prose in the Dune series is way more complex than in the Red Rising series, and it’s more philosophical. however I still believe Red Rising to be a better written series by a long shot AND just as much adult as Dune is thematically. Complexity isn’t always a good thing, sometimes it just makes something unnecessarily convoluted and confusing honestly

[@jakobc07]

You should use Kenobi-Tier for your next tier list video

[@2ToRamble]

Oh that would be a time lol - do any make it out of F tier is the question

[@battlestarkoala]

​@@2ToRamble Kenobi was bad but honestly Boba Fett was way way way way worse

[@2ToRamble]

We didnt watch Boba Fett but we’ve heard similar things!

[@jakobc07]

⁠@@battlestarkoala100% Agree

[@ataridc]

There is a culture on GoodReads that really gets under my skin. It's like...a fetishization of books... if you're reading fantasy fiction you should primarily view those books as just another medium with which to find new stories to experience, but there is a weird elitism I find on there, and the obsession with finding cute quirky quotes to throw into reviews so your reviews get good reviews.

[@2ToRamble]

I think I know what you mean - is this more so the essay-long posts with a bunch of gifs/images with quotes? Or am I way off base

[@ataridc]

that's it lol@@2ToRamble

[@ArtSnob101]

Lol loved it. I feel like I trust Richards scores more than Austin's scores. He seems to be able to take more of a critical lense to things he loves. Austin brings some of the energy though so I guess it's balanced out.

[@2ToRamble]

😁

[@troyveritzan4039]

Golden Son is absolutely a 10/10

[@2ToRamble]

YES! My people

[@LittleLionHaw]

You guys are 25/26?! I'm nearly 10 years your senior and i can't articulate myself half as well 😢

[@FictionConvert]

Rating will always be subjective

[@samm8190]

And if Richard hasn’t gotten a great enough knife in the gut comment, then I’ll step up my game for y’all.

[@demitrikane5672]

the win win win WIN reference is from The Office!!!!!!!! come on guys

[@2ToRamble]

We suck 😭

[@billellis2507]

Austin I’m with you golden son is goated 10/10

[@2ToRamble]

🤝

[@JordansShelves]

I’m totally with Bookborn on rating systems. It’s just a feeling. What’s my heart saying. 😊

[@Ghostlyape123]

Bookborn should absolutely stay away from Red Rising if she doesn’t like graphic violence. Later books are a doozy.

[@MaxFidler]

The Rambler rating system adds a qualitative angle to the rating

[@LeonC0704]

I’ve also gotten used to Austin’s voice at this point 🙂

[@arzabael]

Rings of power was great in my opinion! “Hope is never mere, even if it is meager.”

[@2ToRamble]

👀👀

[@arzabael]

@@2ToRamble I mean, for unadulterated orc dung? 😊

[@joeljimenez4159]

Who is her husband? I’m only 20 minutes in and I’ve never heard of Bookborn. I mean no disrespect btw 😕

[@masonstone4858]

I am also curious about this honestly

[@Bookborn]

1. Not disrespectful, why would anyone have heard of me I'm tiny 🤣 But sorry for being glib on this info! My husband is an indie author, so he's just in the same sort of bookish circles that I run in :)

[@joeljimenez4159]

@@Bookborn I’m looking forward to watching some of your research backed videos. What is your husbands name though? I’d love to show support

[@Bookborn]

@@joeljimenez4159 Zack Argyle :)

[@joeljimenez4159]

@@Bookborn Thank you!

[@Dovakinskywalker]

Red Rising was a good series but it wasn't great by any means

[@BlackHand531]

She's 33?! 👀👀

[@thojac5878]

millennials just look younger than their age

[@BlackHand531]

@@thojac5878 I mean, I guess.

[@ryanskeff]

Damn, she took Austin to rating system school.

[@2ToRamble]

😁😂

[@Zach64612]

i might be the only one in the world that likes Rings of Power. it's 10x better than Wheel of Time. Wheel of Time is an actual travesty. Even if you ignore the fact that they completely changed the lore... that fight at the end of season 1... it had like 10 people participating in it and at the end the Aes Sedai let everyone die for nothing because like 5 of them wiped out the entire army of Trollocks. its pathetic.