3.23 - Is Expedition Pack Size Stacking back on the menu? Grand Design in Affliction

[@kakefisk]

Growing Hordes,Crop Rotation, Expedition on the map device - Grove Sextant, Lifeforce is duped sextant, Pack size sextant, Extra Expedition mobs sextant, blue altars and either rush boss or non-boss maps. Boom.

[@kokorochin01]

I mean, you would need to open the expedition first, and not kill any monsters, and THEN go into the league mechanic afterwards; for then to return to the expedition monsters. And there's no guarantee that the wisps will infect the expedition monsters.

[@nanananannanananana]

The assumption is that this is not how this works, based on what was said in the live Q&A. They specifically mentioned that it will dust monsters that spawn later.

[@kokorochin01]

@@nanananannanananana That sounds really weird tbh, how is the game supposed to know in advance which monsters will and won't spawn later. But yeah maybe

[@pedrolopa2]

Wandering path op though

[@ermeack]

I think you have to pop expedition before doing forest for the mobs to get infected. It seemed the spirits disperce when you leave the forest encounter. At least that's what I gathered from reveal.

[@nanananannanananana]

I remember them specifically mentioning monsters that spawn later, during the Q&A session.

[@hyphaene]

yup@@nanananannanananana

[@nanananannanananana]

I see a fellow jungroan enjoyer

[@uk-nomad]

What about boss rush > clear map and altars > forest > expedition? As i think the altar mods would affect the forest mobs giving more whisps etc then more expedition mobs would be dusted/have a chance to be dusted as they're the only ones left? I may be wrong just spitballing ideas as seems like a fun strat with lots of loot

[@nanananannanananana]

don't think that's how dusting works. like, if you got 100 mobs left in a map and let's say the chance per mob to be dusted is 10%, then you end up with 10 dusted mobs. if only 10 mobs are left, chance per mob doesn't increase and you end up with 1 dusted. so, even if you get quant altars, i don't think that compares to dusting as early as possible.

[@uk-nomad]

@nanananannanananana ahhhh forgive me sir I was not aware that's how it was being implemented! So always worth doing it at start of map, I suppose it would of been pretty broken the other way haha

[@nanananannanananana]

No worries, I don't know either how it actually will work

[@MrMmva]

The wisps infect a part of all monsters in the map. With expedition you don't excavate all the enemies all the time. So you might lose some wisps that stay burried.

[@nanananannanananana]

I obviously don't know how it will work, but I highly doubt that is how the game works in the first place.

[@madhatten5123]

I am assuming the wisps will only affect monsters that are currently on the map. I highly doubt the underground monsters will even be touched. Also stuff like strong boxes may not even get the effects of the wisps which would suck

[@MrMmva]

In the q&a they said that the wisps are spread among all possible enemies in the map. Also on enemies in strongboxes, breaches and enemies that are already dead. That way you are motivated to first collect the wisps and then clear your map. They didn't mention expedition monsters specifically but I would be surprised if the little monster markers / stick figures get a blue/purple/yellow glow if they are filled with wisps.

[@oxygene9082]

@@madhatten5123 They said in the Q&A that all monsters might get touched and they named opening Breach (and the then spawning monsters) as an example you opened after being back.

[@Gid-J]

Go into fis fing. In dere colleh fairy dos.

[@brookowly7407]

did you try it? how did it go? currently looking forward to play something similar focused on affliction pack size tho

[@nanananannanananana]

Not yet, still spamming maps on wandering path

[@MyMetalMedia]

You may already be aware, but at 02:18:05 on the Q&A of the official POE stream they confirmed that pack size does increase the amount of wisps you get, so specing into pack size will be good this league. Not entirely sure why you say to kill the boss before opening expedition? Could you please clarify?

[@nanananannanananana]

Oh it's actually pack size that scales the wisps? Was assuming quant. Makes sense, since it's bigger packs of whips I guess. Sure, I can. If you kill the map boss, the eater altars will no longer offer the boss related option, just monster/player options. Therefore increasing the chances of getting the one that increases quantity.

[@jasonmoss-qk8oh]

@@nanananannanananana the boss thing doesn't work, apparently it's actually detrimental to rush boss first, according to the live they did, that question was asked, feel free to double check though

[@nanananannanananana]

Not sure if I follow. Wisps -> boss -> map clear for altars -> expedition.

[@MyMetalMedia]

@@jasonmoss-qk8oh You are right, killing boss (or any enemies) before doing affliction (wisps) is detrimental, I dont understand the exact reason why but GGG did say this. However, Banana is still going to do the affliction wisps first (as it spawns at the start of each area like delerium), He is just rushing boss for the sake of altars :)

[@MyMetalMedia]

Yeah they confirmed Quant wont give you more wisps, but it will give you more items, which will scale multiplicatively with any enemies effected by the wisps, so still going to be a great stat to have. Pack size however does increase the amount of enemies in affliction and therefore the amount that can have wisps, so Pack size is particularly powerfull this league as it kind of double dips. Thanks for clarifying, didn't realize you were doing altar stuff but that makes sense :) @@nanananannanananana

[@karmoth6666]

Ich mag bananen

[@nanananannanananana]

🍌

[@just_a_sushi]

Any builds that excel at this?

[@kakefisk]

Explode builds should do work, chaos dot/caustic arrow, tri ele bows, tornado shot, DD ignite should do well too

[@crunks420]

Lightning arrow will be amazing

[@raphael.jarbas]

I really liked it, but u are blocking Expedition, and can't use scarab, so u need to run expedition on map device (8 chaos per run) with this. U can also run exarch with this strategy, since exarch is really good with more monsters.

[@nanananannanananana]

Blocked mechanics actually still spawn if you are using the scarab, give it a try. For altars, I believe the blue ones are superior if you are fishing for quantity upsides, as eater altars spawn more frequently. Could be wrong about the altars tho.

[@raphael.jarbas]

@@nanananannananananait's true that u can use the scarab, but u are using Growing Hords that make so that scarabs don't actualy work, just give pack size, and i might be wrong but i don't think that they spaw more freaquently, but the Loot from the altar are better since they are % base, like 4% to drop chaos on monster kill, with more monster u get more reward, so if u get the Divine one u are set, but in general the blue gave worst rewards tham the red on por monster base, but quantity is still very good and defenily worth. But the red altar don't scale with quantity, but with more monster it scales really well.

[@nanananannanananana]

I see. I actually go over growing hordes vs. using scarab and that you obviously gotta unspec that for scarab to work. Not sure if hordes is better as it's global pack size or using scarab with % runic monster affecting only expedition.

[@gwen__g]

I wonder how this league mechanic interacts with altars...would the map know how many altars you would get at the start?

[@nanananannanananana]

I assume it will just roll the dice on dusting monsters whenever they are created