[3.24] Shockwave Melee Autobomber Slayer - [Path of Exile Fastest Build]

[@Tobi123Tobs]

maybe helpful for some of you: I leveled up using the „hollow palm dexterity stacking method“. Easy going very strong. Now I bought many regret orbs( very cheap ) to fully change the build into the provided skill tree. I did some price checks yesterday… I would say round about STARTING 80-140 Div ( if you choose to not buy the 100% best items and all jewels at once ) will be needed to get the items including jewels. Only jewels will be round about 40-60 Div

[@Tobi123Tobs]

additional information: If I am right we need Enlighten Gem level 4 to activate all the shown auras. Otherwise we need some efficiency nodes from the skill tree. This gem is round about 40-50 Div alone

[@mauricemerting5034]

Did you craft the helmet and the Weapon ????

[@Tobi123Tobs]

@@mauricemerting5034 I did buy all items nothing crafted

[@mauricemerting5034]

@@Tobi123Tobs expensiv af 😅 i try to craft it

[@Tobi123Tobs]

@@mauricemerting5034 good luck 👍🍀

[@iabloko1272]

I put together this build and have been running maps for several days in a row. 100%+ quality + delirium + beyond. It cost me about 200 divine orbs. I made a few changes to the original version to improve survivability. Otherwise I really like everything.

[@kylemiller8122]

what did you change for survivability because i feel so squishy for some reason

[@iabloko1272]

@@kylemiller8122 I use Forbidden Flame + Flash = Fortitude. Watcher's Eye: Chaos Resistance while affected by Purity Reduced Extra Damage from Critical Strikes while affected by Determination Charm: increased Strength Cannot be Stunned while Fortified I changed the skitterbots aura => purity of elements. You definitely need to have 70%+ resistance to chaos damage. I removed impact and took overwhelm(Slayer Ascendency) in exalted because I can't get 100% crit chance without Bottled Faith, and I don't like it. UDP: i don't use kaom's spirit, they're not worth it. Sorry, I can't share the link to my pobb because this is prohibited by the rules.

[@antoineb6094]

Against who's rules? Just post the PoB my friend :D @@iabloko1272

[@schimenykrikets9692]

@@iabloko1272 if public what is you ign?

[@mysickmylaws]

can you give us your in game name so we can see your profile

[@Tobi123Tobs]

since I truly love this build I am constantly coming back here to share some news :) for some of you maybe nice to know. Use the "Sinvicta's Mettle Axe" ( very cheap ) as second weapon. I use smite as a 3 link with this second weapon. Beginning a map or Delve or... my first kill is with this weapon - it gives my RAMPAGE - I switch back to the main first weapon aaaaand... we have this beautiful build with rampage :) just keep in mind that you always have to start rampage again if time runs out. So for me it is just a nice bonus for fun and extra "zoom zoom" sometimes :) for example turn your loot filter to STRICT and then just zoom through the maps not stopping. This works great too with Delirium. Just kill like crazy and at the end loot the hopefully good stuff :)

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

Yea I like that Rampage trick, I use it on my BV Assassin :p

[@mysickmylaws]

can you point me to a guide on how to craft the mace or maybe helmet :D?

[@droidix]

This is an excellent build. Played it in 3.21 and achieved 40/40 for the first time ever. Put well over 100 divines into it.

[@knxcklvz5448]

this build isnt working when u dont have the exactly same stats as him.. and if u dont want to spend mirror tier plus, its non sense

[@ahmetkasapoglu8438]

Did you try?

[@knxcklvz5448]

@@ahmetkasapoglu8438 i did, yeah, but with only 200-250 div

[@sharbelzoghbi1638]

Yeah if you dont have the cluster jewel set up etc. etc its just clunky and bad. The mace takes 1 hour to swing. It barely qualifies as an autobomber. Mirage archer would be considered more of an autobomber than this. For the ammount of money this costs, how clunky it is, and the fact that it cant do the wildwood with any decent ammount of juice is a shame. This was the biggest bait build ever. Ruined my season and I quit this league cause of it.

[@constantinhartmann9932]

I got i working pretty good with about 125-150 div. Deep delving an sorts

[@mediumbob4735]

It’s a fun build but what you get for 250-350 div isn’t. I had just under 300 in mine but got it before stuff went crazy. It’s strong sure but other stuff out there you can make that I think is better. I had fun tho.

[@H3C.T1C]

Thank you. Exactly when i was looking for a new build. here comes a fantastic video. Liked, subscribed. Would like to see more of this.

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

Awesome, thank you!

[@toba5878]

hmn can you show a short gameplay without mtx? xD pls + league mechanic cool vid as always edit: ah its some older footage since there are metamorphs - i see^^

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

Not all footage is old, few were recorded in 3.22

[@seanboudreaux4942]

Just built this today and it's quite amazing, thank you very much!

[@TheJansensk]

how much did it cost you? im interested in the build and would have a 120div to start off

[@seanboudreaux4942]

I did fine with around 80div including a watchers. Crafting the mace is easy if you look at what you need coupled with suff no change and veiled chaos.

[@dyingsole09]

Is there any notable changes that would make this build better/worse in the new league?

[@noahteague6427]

commenting to come back to later XD

[@swamp1988]

I loved this build a lot. You think it's still viable in 3.24?

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

Yep, no reason why it shouldn't be :)

[@roddzz3406]

What about the nerf to the rage gloves

[@snowmanmc87]

nice would love to see a fully juiced map with 8k+ Juice

[@LeiRaion]

Same, I'm very hesitant to try any of these recent suggestions when they don't show the current league. Things have a ton more HP and dmg now.

[@untitled8027]

same.

[@matthewkajdasz6203]

could you do a more budget friendly version, or could you note how to craft each item :)

[@Everlasting_B]

Craft guides are all over the internet:) Str stack mace, str stack helm - just search.

[@MrMcWar]

Hi I'm trying to get this build together currently and it's my first time crafting with awakeners orbs. If I understand correctly I just get an elder or shaper boom mace, another mace from the other influence and slam the awakeners from first item on second. Problem is: how do I then achieve the second mod we need? I only see that one will be applied and as both are suffixes I can't just go for the classic block. I would love if there was a crafting guide where you cover these items, maybe even only in written form in the pob? Would really help me! Love how this build looks and hyped to play it!

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

I didn't make a crafting guide for this because there are already a million guide on YT for Awakener crafting, they are already well explained and far better than anything I could make.

[@Mrtrigrhappy]

That looks really cool and I love autobomber builds but I'm not seeing any juice. How well does something like this run on 12k wisps cause I have to imagine my TS is stronger

[@Ackow]

Please sir. show us a t16 juiced with all the bell and whistles + 4k juice. Just to be sure xD

[@yagzbarkn5680]

hi i love the build but which wildwood ascendery we use ?

[@ThePremiier]

Two questions, is berserker that much worse than Slayer? And How much would you estimate Thais build.costs? Great vídeo, thanks for It. Mande me eant tô play the build

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

There is nothing for us to gain from the berserker Ascendancy, except for the 40% more damage node.

[@derrickcall9307]

I'd like to see a leveling build instead of the endgame set up.

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

You can't level with this build.

[@nicholasfigueiredo3171]

Is this build still viable after the warcry changes?

[@jsalonin]

Hey, maybe i miss it, but is their new breakpoints for cooldown recovery. I see you use 16% on belt. I got mageblood atm, so i added that in. But i wonder what might be optimal, guess its possible to get on charms.

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

The CD reduction is optional, we utilize it to sync static strike zaps with Shockwave triggers, this is only needed when you consume all 6 stacks of Shockwave (basically the mod is irrelevant for bosses)

[@vedatz3684]

Hey, why is Berserk level 19 in pob? And also do you know what are the best charms?

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

I am just missing a level for no reason. As for charms, I leave that to you.

[@vedatz3684]

@@PhoenixLive_YT Thanks, can you recommend some? Also is it better to have +12% chaos dmg on Large Cluster instead of 10% spell?

[@Jahjahgaming]

how are you getting 8 seconds on static strike? I have all skill effect durations and i only hit 6 seconds

[@dylanalecsovich7599]

still good in 3.24?

[@alpenmanfarad4814]

Hi looks great cost?

[@blech71]

Not sure now but when I built it when Palsteron’s BoTW the boots alone got to 60-80div

[@sebastiantramontana8136]

This build can go up to 2,3 mirrors.. With original sin,mageblood nd jewels

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

​@@sebastiantramontana8136but we don't use any of these items 😊

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

Starting Cost is around 60 div

[@anasszouhir9560]

Finished making the build, cost is more like 120div, with the current prices in affliction, self crafted all rare gear except jewels.

[@Moxxxiyt]

Hey, in palsterons guide he talks about how “phantasmal static strike” was really bad, this league the base gem is phantasmal, how did you go about fixing this or do you just deal with the fact it is now worse?

[@Everlasting_B]

Cdr on charms.

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

The difference in static strike quality is the difference between %20 duration and chain, in my humble opinion skill effect duration is better than chain for the purpose of having higher uptime on shockwave so I disagree with Palesteron.

[@8TDK]

Hey, do you have a leveling guide for this?

[@KraMelius.]

what tier maps were you running? couldnt see from the video and this is a concern for me, also i didnt see the affliction mechanic once in the video. is this a theory build in standard?

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

I am pretty sure you could tell from guardian and conqueror maps that it's all T16, I never do anything less.

[@TheGoldBlood]

I'm new to poe and I like holy light explosion wave thing. What is this ability called ?

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

It's Shockwave with a skin added into it.

[@TheGoldBlood]

@PhoenixLive_YT thank you so much

[@myrkshideouts]

still viable ?

[@AniTheBrokenOne]

Is it some MTX or what? Because your build looks completely different than mine, all I do is shoot some feeebly yellow lightnings, that's all

[@RemingtonLaHaye]

Plz how do you get 8 seconds on static strike buff?? I have all skill duration stuff but I'm maxed at 6 seconds

[@jalengibbs5403]

I wish I could run the build but there’s literally no one with the boots for sale on console, not even in standard

[@gianlucapx]

In poebuilds I see that in league people are using Mageblood for this build, so ditching the belt with the "increased cooldown recovery" mod. And they don't seem to have it nowhere else. Is this mod really mandatory, like its said in the video? They lose the strength of the heavy belt and get it back from charms. I'm currently trying the Mageblood version in standard, but without the charms I'm currently below 2000 strength (1750). I took the Unwavering Stance node, because Brine King can still get me stunned and killed. I'm still level 91 and missing a jewel.

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

CD recovery on belt is not required for the build to function, it's just that it plays a big role in increasing your damage by speeding up Shockwave charge recovery.

[@SashaAIex]

What was the total budget for this? I'm guessing its not decently low.

[@chriswilkerson1020]

@phoenix Would you mind quickly explaining how to play the build?

[@willscales1812]

How are you killing metamorphs in 3.23?

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

Few clips were recorded couple of days before league started.

[@rawdon99]

Been building list the past few days. Still having a little bit of an issue. Getting one shot by random stuff any tips I have about 30 ish divines into it

[@Sim1c3K]

Ares are you here?

[@leopangestu5753]

good god gracious how do you make those helmet double dominance its beautifull man

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

I made it with a combination of orb of Dominance then Awakeners orb

[@leopangestu5753]

its beautifull man @@PhoenixLive_YT

[@psychoconker]

Built this on a 91 slayer, almost exact same gear, other then no full quality skill gems, spent ~250div. Not sure how you manage all the mana reserves, needed to use mana reserve charms. Are some auras for certain situations? Precision and vitalty unless kept at level 1 cant be used. I must be missing something because boss damage is no where near what it should be. using Sulphur flask and having all buffs up, t16 bosses take awhile to kill.

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

The level of precision and vitality IS level 1, you can easily know gem levels by checking the PoB link in the description.

[@RossBossly]

precision and vit are for Watchers Eye@@PhoenixLive_YT

[@oryanstreeval7939]

ok this build is an ABSOLUTE MONSTER! your tweaks to the original version are just mastermind level! im level 75 and can almost do 14's...= savage build! im needing help though! for some reason its taking my toon a solid 2 or 3 seconds to swing his weapon when i activate static strike! which once i level up and im not getting instantly dotted down before it goes off thats kinda manageable! but i wanna see what i can do to solve this! anyhelp or advice would be 100% appreciated! also.. is there a more viable movement skill than shield charge? it seems like i have to move my cursor into my living room to get him to stop attacking in front of him and dash away from the mob beating my face in lmao! just give me some guidance master Phoenix!

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

There is no "hit and run-away" tactic in this build, as soon as static strike expires you need to land a new successful hit to re-activate Shockwave, that's actually the hardest part of playing the build, slow swing time is normal you just have to adapt.

[@Berthilus]

At what budget would u say that the build gets effective for yellow or red maps m8? :)

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

You just need the boots for that to happen :p

[@Berthilus]

@@PhoenixLive_YT Haha what about the weapon? what would u use until one like urs can be afforded?

[@adobsg7570]

@@Berthilus use replica frostbreath its more dps then the explode weapon, for mapping you can get an explode mace once you have the currency to craft it though frostbreath will still be more dps.

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

Exactly

[@Berthilus]

@@adobsg7570 will try that out^^ thx

[@kidze73]

how does this build work? did he explain what the "autobomber" part of the build does? What kills does the auto attack?

[@getupho]

u hit with static strike it has a duration with beams the beams proc the shockwave support that does the damage so u hit run around for a bit repeat when it ends

[@g4Nkv2]

What charms are ideal for this build?

[@yagopnascimento]

The best is str + int and Increased 8% str

[@RicardoCamapum]

cant roll the autobomber on my build... dunno whats happened! but.... the video was awesome!

[@alexanderbutter2577]

sry for the question but can this build do t16 with 6k or more whisps good and fast too?

[@Karascool]

void manipulation makes my frozen legion do 0 damage with the sweep attack. Does it only work with awakened void manipulation?

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

You don't have our boots? The boots give you chaos damage and awakened Void manipulation makes the skill only deal chaos damage, it's a combo basically.

[@rawdon99]

I have everything basically like you but I'm not even doing half the damage could you help

[@Tobi123Tobs]

a leveling guide could be helpful -> show which skills can be used to level up + skill tree steps. Maybe if needed a level skill tree which has to be modified when we start to use shockwave setup and items. So leveling guide up to level 72 or similar, then we can change to the tree you have provided as pob

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

Not every video is a leveling guide, please refer to one of those many leveling videos for slayer and switch to this build once you have the items.

[@DRPL766]

I made this build this weekend. I just tabula and molten strike. Then started putting on the uniques like Brutus sprinkler and the uniques the build uses. At 59 I put on the iron fortress and used the build for real. Build was Usable at 59 for me

[@getupho]

i just leveld this today i just used w/e till 28 then used shockwave with static strike with brutus lead sprinkler and elemental scaling untill replica frost breath and albreon pretty easy really

[@deinpapa3769]

i lvld this with hollow palm and Smite ,respeccd later

[@rearlyric3460]

What is the point of urgent orders if I already take call to arms?

[@GentleBearGB]

Hi, I take a look on POB and I have question. On Poe Trade it has only one Mace who look like yours but it cost 40 Divine Orb, do you have an idea to cheapest Mace like around 10-20 Div maybe ? Thx

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

Never buy a weapon like this that you can determinsticly craft with 7 divines, Learn how to craft with Awakeners orb, it's easy.

[@GentleBearGB]

Ok thanks ! Will take a look at some craft guides. Actually in late campaign love your build :)@@PhoenixLive_YT

[@gianlucapx]

Is there a complicate mechanic to start the auto bombing, or it's just one strike and go?

[@hockerhelmut]

And the warcry, right? @@BlackbeardVG

[@sharbelzoghbi1638]

would 12% cooldown reduction on the belt work or would it brick this? Im not sure of the breakpoint here.

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

They are both equal

[@dirigibles4997]

If I were to use a mageblood, is there a way to get that cdr on the rare belt somewhere else?

[@lmelo1994]

Charm

[@Adri01ReyGamer]

will this build work now?

[@deinpapa3769]

what Wildwood specc do u use? Charms?

[@otamuralha706]

probably chams for +8% str

[@user-px9mm]

What wildwoods asendency should we take?

[@Khreew]

What budget to make it work ?

[@pascalsh1406]

how do u put gems on fiery impact?

[@brenoregebebertalia6929]

Whats the best way to play this with mageblood and still get the needed CDR?

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

CDR needed here is not mandatory, it only helps with syncing static strike zaps with Shockwave pulses, Shockwave can already store 6 charges which makes CDR relevant once you consume all of them.

[@aa-dc2vo]

how do u sustain rage so well?

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

Check gloves

[@saltspice2291]

can you show how to craft helm and the weapon ?

[@DOGEonPC]

Kaom's Spirit has been nerfed pretty bad though, so not sure how this build's Rage regen will hold up.

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

Already 50% uptime so all good.

[@jrryrig]

I didn't use because i needed resistances because of my gear, if you use an urvine charm with 5 rage regen on warcry it's pretty smooth. I never really had a problem getting the rage.

[@getupho]

what charms are we looking for for this assuming %strength but idk what else lol

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

Yep, just %str lol.

[@rawlinsfernandes-e2s]

Can we league start with this build as this build looks fun?

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

No, never use "fun" as a criteria for league starting with a build, it's all about required items to start which happens to be over 10+ Divines for this build.

[@obidno360]

why u using urgent orders + call to arms and kaom spirits

[@RossBossly]

its explained in the video

[@AtlasHMF]

How expensive is it to make this build?

[@allanjosephmiclat302]

is there a Full Guide on How to level this build?

[@magicka789]

I mean, if you don't know how to level slayer i don't exactly think that you have that amout of currency to afford this build.

[@derekdipietro2588]

Leveling guide?

[@victordethuin4699]

Thiis build can do uber bosses ??

[@Bananruin]

How does infernal legion deal cold damage if we have Replica Alberons?

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

Who said that it deals cold damage? It deals chaos damage.

[@drakestreacheroustwin3179]

can i change my build from boneshtter slayer to this? how to, this my first league

[@Faforino]

Orbs of regret, a load of them.

[@RoHaCKeRuS]

Is this build Juiced map viable ?

[@gabrielszelag9781]

How is there Metamorph on 1.15 second

[@Jahjahgaming]

whats the mtx that makes u glow in fire?

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

It's not MTX, that's Rage buff.

[@Jahjahgaming]

@@PhoenixLive_YT ok thank you! Are kaoms gloves pointless now after nerf? I can hardly keep it up

[@NecromancerSamael]

This build is feasible in this season 3.23?

[@Everlasting_B]

Yes. Costed me ~300d. Though just the str stack amul was 100d, which is optional.

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

Min maxing cost can reach as high as you want depending on your taste but starting Cost can be as low as 40 divs, and yes this build was made for current league.

[@Bombtrap]

Is there a cheaper version? Everytime i see a replica alberon build i feel “ugh”

[@DOGEonPC]

You can go for the Brutus Lead Sprinkler version. Tried it back then when this build was first introduced. It's not as powerful as this one though, but it's decent enough for a starter.

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

This version doesn't use original sin so it's not expensive.

[@JackHammaH9000]

@@PhoenixLive_YT i was wondering, what's the budget of this current settings you showing and what's the min amount? Thanks :D

[@myrkshideouts]

how can u have more dps than people on poe ninja ? they have like 16 m dps

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

By having good items, also my damage is (combined damage) between static strike, Shockwave and frozen legion, you can also get 100m damage with original sin ring and a str Stacking weapon.

[@novytm7733]

What charms to look for this build ?

[@darchypeacecraft]

What song is playing at 3:30 pls and ty.

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

It's PoE sanctum theme (lycia)

[@darchypeacecraft]

@@PhoenixLive_YT ty so much

[@MrSSnoMAN]

How's this build doing on fully whisped T16s?

[@sldtmrn4837]

they wont because they cant. fully juiced t16 maps in this league are not something many builds can do. It would make the builds look weak therefore they wont show league-mechanic this league.

[@Everlasting_B]

Does attack speed on mace make any sense?

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

Nope, Shockwave doesn't get faster or more frequent with attack speed, only swing gets faster.

[@Everlasting_B]

@@PhoenixLive_YT yeah, I noticed, though faster swings would feel really good, even for defence purposes, as we need that leech ASAP. So, probably, one of the min-maxing goals for the future.

[@CorrespondingFear]

So if all I have is 5 div I can't do this right ?

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

Nope, 5 div is nothing

[@ChuckSimplicity]

Can we use Mageblood?

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

Yea sure ^_^, the belt works on all builds lol

[@carazojunior]

can you teach how to craft weapon and helmet?

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

Awakeners orb is the key to crafting both.

[@carazojunior]

@@PhoenixLive_YT im kinda new to crafting, so i will need a bit more explanation tbh hahaha

[@IncredibleLyrics]

how you change this with MB?

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

Yes it's better with mageblood.

[@kaisebastianstrube2304]

I play it on full fire dmg in std becouse the Leagacy items

[@THEGO90]

is it right...theres 2 emperors jewels...but can only use 1 -.- ^^

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

There is only 1 In PoB

[@THEGO90]

well....i load the pob link and there was 2 emperors in slot...i think there should be unnatural instinct -.- damn i bought 2 ^^@@PhoenixLive_YT

[@ITzPerFfeCctionZz]

shockwave cant be exerted unfortunately

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

We never wanted to exert it in the first place lol

[@novytm7733]

Yoo can i make this build with around 30-40 div budget ?

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

You can always cut corners and get cheaper unique alternatives and the build would still work, it's just that people's threshold for "minimum acceptable performance" differs.

[@novytm7733]

@@PhoenixLive_YT skiping Emperor's Mastery would help a lot its half of my budget sadly

[@mixced]

how about 3.25?

[@rockmeoable]

Excuseme SIR! what's the soundtrack name please?

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

All from path of exile

[@ogulcan1234567890]

how does you rage charge so fast

[@getupho]

@@ogulcan1234567890 just use the 5 rage per power when u warcry charm under 25 rage it goes to full instantly

[@ogulcan1234567890]

@@getupho where is that modifier

[@getupho]

@@ogulcan1234567890 on the charms

[@milennedyalkov1379]

has this season been tested

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

This Was recorded in 3.23 with the exception of few clips.

[@JoseRojas-fl4jf]

can u updated this

[@antoniopalmieri7994]

Hi, i try this build (70 divine) but no good. Attack slow, no regen life, see you next time.

[@jrryrig]

Once you get going with the first hit, your good to go really. Are you sure you're using the same gear/flasks as him? If you're partying with someone that'd doing tornado shot or something of course you're not ever going to get going though lol, but as far as a solo farmer, it's pretty fast. As for the no life regen, I took some rare gloves with despair on hit so I could get resistances I lacked because of my gear, pair it with a charm with an ursine charm that gives 5 rage gen on warcry and your good to go.

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

If you are complaining about not having life regen then You completely missed the build guide xd

[@BrianEtier]

Can this do juiced wisp maps?

[@vincentxll]

Nah

[@d3_de_chibraltar372]

13 div just for the crit chance per 10 str on helmet :p

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

Well, it makes the whole build xD

[@sharbelzoghbi1638]

is 200 div enough budget for this to get started? or will I need more you think?

[@THEGO90]

more...the jewels are like 200 :D

[@DarkSila-l7j]

200д хватит, сама сборка стоит около 100д-150д

[@Everlasting_B]

​@@DarkSila-l7jНу, бюджетная - мб. Но я едва вложился в 300. Стр стак амульчик в 100 влетел💅

[@sachinjungade9265]

Since you have shown metamoph in ur gameplay which only means one thing, the video is old and may not be accourate 😑