Honestly what this taught me is I should use crayola for details and my more expensive ones for for shading and other technics.
@secretfolders60693 жыл бұрын
Or you could use oil based for details...
@fnjf29013 жыл бұрын
Polychromos are the best for details, way better than crayola, crayola’s lead is more likely to break, has less control and may not layer and can break your paper more easily
@victoriaschneider64263 жыл бұрын
U fu
@0pianostudio0343 жыл бұрын
@mr noxious try Caliber lol Whenever I sharpen them I can just pick off the lead ☹️😢👽😩
@serenityjewel3 жыл бұрын
Exactly, she's shows that Crayola layers fine and it's not going to hurt your paper just doing details. People just like paying more money to feel superior.
@lir33793 жыл бұрын
I only buy three "colors" of Caran D'ache - black, white, blender. Other elements to be considered for colored pencil general use (wax or oil) is room/color core temperature & humidity effects on paper mediums. Quality content in this video. Thanks.
@vincentknws3 жыл бұрын
Yes I use black, white and blender more than any other color and the white actually shows up. Sometimes I use the cheap white colors to blend as well.
@MileinaJuarez3 жыл бұрын
I can strongly suggest the Derwent drawing white and black. They’re known to be amazing. The white is even better than the luminance and not as expensive at all. I love that black and white.
@rebekah13623 жыл бұрын
I just discovered Holbein Works "soft white" pencil, out of prisma, derwent pastel, sargent charcoal white and polychromos it is the most opaque white pencil I've ever used. The lead is softer than them all, more buttery than prisma by far. If you don't have it, do try and see how it performs for you.
@aribolden80062 жыл бұрын
I completely agree with you. Although I also use Derwent Chinese White when I need to lay down a lot of color, it is absolutely amazing. For details I use Polychromos Black as the other two are too soft to be able to get really tiny lines.
@VitasArtworks3 жыл бұрын
I think an advanced artist is able to use "bad" supplies and draw a great picture. But for an beginner it's more difficult to get good results with "bad" supplies. I think great supplies are a good investment while improving. With better supplies some things are much better and easier to work with. So I think also beginners should use good art supplies. Maybe not the most expensive ones.. But good ones. For example no artist grade but student grade art supplies. And I think quality is more important than quantity.
@Morticia1472 жыл бұрын
Yes, you can make a beautyfull drawing but it will fade super quick - it's not worth putting time in this cheap crap if you take art even slightly seriously. They belong in coloring books thats it.
@sf12922 жыл бұрын
Meh I still suck... I think my ruler changes length every second fr
@edwardhisse26872 жыл бұрын
Lightfastness only matters when you're good enought to sell or put your work on the wall and have it sit there. Even proffesionals illustrators and designers don't waste money on artist grade if they know they will sell prints and not originals.
@Miss_Distress2 жыл бұрын
Despite loving almost every media there is, I spent my adult life hating coloured pencils. Developing arthritis didn’t help, as I always found pencils too much strain on my hands. After getting into coloring with gel pens this year I wanted more flexibility and decided to test pencils once more. This time I watched some reviews and decided on polychromos. I am IN LOVE! And they are so forgiving which is the opposite of how I’d always found cheap pencils before. I’m so glad I tried and would recommend every beginner try good quality pencils first. Beginners need better quality. Professional artists can do more with subpar ingredients!
@bunnysm2 жыл бұрын
@@Miss_Distress Polychromos are actually pretty hard I would say. Caran D'ache, Prismacolor, Arteza, and even Faber Castell Goldfaber are mostly wax-based and much softer. Just saying, this in case you wish to further reduce the strain on your hands. They all can be used together anyway.
@campyarts3 жыл бұрын
Wow! I loved your work with Crayola, I might even prefer that side over Carandache especially for the $3 price.
@parulpatel91793 жыл бұрын
Ur art is amazing!! I just subbed
@lol-je3kh3 жыл бұрын
HOLY SHIT THATS SOME GOOD ART ON YOUR CHANNEL
@zhongli11392 жыл бұрын
ur talented as hell
@abcd-mo5mo2 жыл бұрын
ur art is so good wtf
@Judyc68112 жыл бұрын
WHOA! I LOVE YOUR ARTWORKS!!
@MitoMitoDraw3 жыл бұрын
The Luminance and Polychromos pencils makes the "CHA-CHING" sound whenever I twist the pencils it into the sharpener.
@gabib.17803 жыл бұрын
They indeed do
@dagoosetm32992 жыл бұрын
Thats why i said screw sharpeners and use a craft knife 💀
@beckywebster903 жыл бұрын
I use the luminance for commissions and presents, I have the crayola 100 set and love them for color books, practice shading, etc. For the price, they are not bad. But I love my luminance, polys and DLF 😀
@shortienoob9803 жыл бұрын
@BloopBulp Derwent Light-fast
@hopibethelbaptistchurchpas77673 жыл бұрын
Just remember lots of pressure can cause lots of wrist pain for some... So a mid range soft pencil can make hours of art more enjoyable. So if this you, remember that. Also God loves you.
@EthosArts3 жыл бұрын
The final result turned out great. I wonder how well the white caran d'ache could finish blending/burnishing the Crayola side.
@sinbincreations3 жыл бұрын
This versus video is the one I've been looking for! My kids and I (and my prismacolors) thank you ☺
@saisiri17192 жыл бұрын
Honestly to say, seeing your drawing without thinking anything else + your voice, is so relaxing and calming.
@amandagermany59332 жыл бұрын
Love how you really put both pencils through the paces. Great comprehensive testing.
@peachion23 жыл бұрын
I have always loved Caran d ache. The smoothness and feel of them makes it possible to focus on the art, and not on the pencil. Working with crayons pencils was always hard.
@TheTerrylwg3 жыл бұрын
This is a brilliant idea for an episode! I love Crayola and have used them for years without complaint, but you showed me some things I had never realized before, i.e., the lack of dark colors and the shine compared to Caran D'Ache, as well as the lightness of the white and black in comparison. All very good to know.
@Eli_withablueheart2 жыл бұрын
What this video taught me is that I just suck at drawing and my supplies don’t matter.
@sinbincreations3 жыл бұрын
Me: Watch this kids, you'll see why my pencils aren't for you... Kirsty: *Does Kirsty things and makes me look like an idiot in front of my 8 and 10 year olds* 😑😅🤣
@saritah56633 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@jessica763113 жыл бұрын
Hey Kirsty! I love your videos. I'd love to see a comparison for colored pencils(cheap and expensive), on different papers like cheap sketch paper and other expensive paper. Thanks.
@blackbat9082 жыл бұрын
Pretty self explanatory, cheap thin paper obviously won’t take many layers. Just your common sense, Jessie.
@grannysharp7723 жыл бұрын
My absolute favorite for coloring without using any blending solvents or blending pencils is Luminance then Polychromos. I use them together a lot.
@Sawfly13698 ай бұрын
I love the side by side comparison. I wish more people done this.
@we4r1193 жыл бұрын
It’s really great to see how many layers of colour you are using to create the detailed look you are going for. I had no idea that you need to go over the colours so much. I’ve learned so much from this video. Thank you. x
@tailsprower25212 Жыл бұрын
Wow, I literally don't have words, I truly did not know you could make such beautiful artwork with crayolas. Now i feel really inspired. The art supplies really doesn't make the artist though it can help.
@rebekah13623 жыл бұрын
I actually can tell the drawing was done with two different pencils and tbh, I like the crayola side better. It looks more vibrant and colorful. Perhaps it's because she had to build up values more? It just looks richer and has more depth of color and doesn't look unnaturally smooth. It's a beautiful portrait study, she really showed what skill does with limited supplies. Nice work!! Great encouragement!
@sixteen.candles.46443 жыл бұрын
I like it too
@kathleencommerford966410 күн бұрын
I swatched the crayola next to Fabre castell and some of the crayola were as good if not better but not all. As you said more vibrant
@LuDogg8052 жыл бұрын
I use Cryola, RoseArt (out of business) and CraZart... all cheap colour pencils... but with them I drew a blue cloacked Mother Marie (11 x 14 inch) drawing which I sold for 250 USD. I like using cheaper colour pencils because I like to prove to financially-unfortunate people (just like I used to be), that a great artist can use anything cheap and still make a masterpiece.
@RachelleByersArt3 жыл бұрын
Love the comparison you did showing the various techniques ❤️ probably my favorite part of this video!
@AzzieSempai3 жыл бұрын
This video was so well made. Thank you so much Kirsty, it was a delight and very inspiring to watch :)
@aspiringartistbomby3 жыл бұрын
Damn Now i have no more excuses I am just extremly bad with coloured pencils Back to the drawing board thinking about how to improve
@alenapoupa59252 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the helpful comparison Kristy! Any plans to review Castle coloured pencils? They seem to be gaining popularity and I'm curious as to how they measure up against your current favourites!
@kayfjones233 жыл бұрын
Thank you, this was so cool to watch! I've only really had Crayola and some other off brand colored pencils so far, but will keep working with them until I'm more confident and willing to spend more on the fancier stuff. :)
@lindatannock2 жыл бұрын
For a little step up, have a look at the Arteza stuff! I got their 72 set of watercolour pencils for only £27. A smaller set is even more affordable (and more than enough!), and their regular coloured pencils very affordable, especially if you're on a budget and don't want to go crazy, price-wise. I only just found the brand recently through a YT video. Not Caran D'Ache etc quality, but affordable decent quality!
@mindylafler34562 жыл бұрын
I love doing light layers when I am going for blends. Some of my best pages are Crayola. I won't buy anything else for the kids ever! Other brands have tried, but Crayola is "the bomb" in student/cheap pencils. I will say I honestly prefer the Crayola side.
@coldmonalisa77932 жыл бұрын
The companies watching the video: “Write that down, write that down!”
@WillowDalliHowlett2 жыл бұрын
Tbh, I find that on tiktok many people just hate “bad” art supplies, tbh I use every day sharpers pencils and pens you would find in a peep class
@fiery.mercaba3 жыл бұрын
"14:10" -- Ah, yes, sharpening of the pencils! This is a major differentiating matter for sure. Indeed, unless using a more expensive sharpener than like what Kirsty recommends over a regular sharpener, most cheaper pencils seem to be of too hard of a wooden casing & more prone to cracking as the sharpener's blade cuts into it. And often regular sharpeners that the person sharpening turns the pencil in to sharpen the pencil tend to experience breakage. As usual, @Kirsty Partridge Art, fantastic artistry, gentle demeanor, such great willingness to share artistic insights, &, though I've been drawing & painting from I was a little kid, there is so much information you generally provide that I'm always sure to be reminded of something I had forgotten along the way (especially since I've not had as much time on my hands as in the past to do much art) &/or to learn something new. Be blessed. 🙏🏼
@precilago33522 жыл бұрын
The comnparison between the two highlights several expensive art on the map M outerly impressed. Z👍👍👍keep up the good pose as always 💯🔥
@pihu64653 жыл бұрын
U r the art teacher i want U helped me a lot
@flymoon242 жыл бұрын
Your comment about sharpening is very useful as I have already found issues with this using hand held sharpner!
@AFinn-ds1qt2 жыл бұрын
Would be interested to see what happens if you leave this piece under a UV lamp for an extended period.
@Morticia1472 жыл бұрын
I think it would'nt take very long to see a very big difference.
@MrAsingh19893 жыл бұрын
To be honest, if someone is meant to create masterpiece after masterpiece NOTHING can ever stop them whether the tools are: 1. expensive, top-of-the-line quality, 2.inexpensive, or of “lesser quality”, 3. Brand name 4. Generic brand 5.“Knock-off” 6. Original “Authentic” if the individual if gifted with: skill, accuracy, patience eye for fine detail, Dexterity Passion Compassion Hyper focused mind And Biggest of them all HUMILITY AND MODESTY No power in the can stop a maestro to compose a MASTERPIECE. There is by no doubt, Ms. Partridge is beyond blessed with these gifts! I would like to Congratulate her for all the time, hard efforts, ups and downs, extreme focus she has spent mastering her craft… She is extremely blessed and lucky to master what she loves. I wish I can have at least 1/10 of her talent. Thank you Ms. Partridge,
@hahaha000002 жыл бұрын
I'm amazed that you're consistent even with cheap colour pencils
@rebeccawilliams24103 жыл бұрын
Oh wow this was amazing. I actually preferred the crayola side. Im brand new to this and I will definitely pick up a pack of crayola tomorrow and have a play around. Thankyou so much xx
@gaoasaurusg2159 Жыл бұрын
Perhaps some of your results are geographic or seasonal. As a blue water sailor working 90/90 ( 90 days at work on the ship and then 90 days off)...who likes to draw, I noticed a marked difference in my Crayola/Prisma/Faber/whatever was available for purchase in the country at the time b/c I needed to replace my most used coloures at different ports...during different times of the year and in different countries around the globe: temp/humidity having great affect. Note: The best set of pencils I ever bought was a super cheap set purchased in a grocery store in Vera Cruz Mexico. They performed the same everywhere. I would suggest doing this during each season. Additionly, I sharpen my pencils with a knife. I find it gives me more control and less waste than store bought sharperns. I have created in almost every medium, The only one I have found to be uneffected by temp/humid is making jewelry from glass beads and unwaxed dental floss( peyote stich ).
@nicolarutherford98572 жыл бұрын
I loved the finale result
@nikahadasart32073 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video, usually I buy expensive professional pencils, but after this video I will change my mind
@natalie.noodles Жыл бұрын
This is pretty helpful-I use Crayola for realistic drawings....so this gave me some tips! I hope to get some nicer ones soon, because the Crayolas can be frustrating....
@artisforus3 жыл бұрын
Woahhhh, I can't believe that it was made by 2 different brand. I think when someone look to it without watching the video they would say that it's made in just 1 brand pencil. Great outcome!!!!
@chrisblevins7553 жыл бұрын
I can only hope and pray that my art will one day look anything like yours. It's beautiful.
@SapigoDraw3 жыл бұрын
add practice to your to do list
@rauchschwalbelp76933 жыл бұрын
Crayola or however the cheap colored pencils are called in your country (because not every country has American brands) are usually made for children. Most of children have a very hard hand and can't adjust their grip and pressure very good. So the pencils have to be sturdy. I always wonder why so many art youtubers don't see that. You don't want a children's pencil to be soft. They would be destroyed in no time. And btw: You should turn the sharpener, not the pencil. Because when you turn the pencil, you push it around in the sharpener and it won't be so easy and smooth. When you turn the sharpener, you adjust it to the pencil and so the pencil doesn't get damaged. Especially since you seem to be quite....eager when sharpening your pencils.
@stephaniejames-hall9693 жыл бұрын
Oh wow. I've been trying to prove to my art teacher that Crayolas matter too 😍😂 could I know what kind of power you use also?
@vincentknws3 жыл бұрын
If she doesn't answer may I suggest building up is what helps alot.
@joewoodchuck38243 жыл бұрын
Crayola Lives Matter
@mangoowtay3 жыл бұрын
@@joewoodchuck3824 haha, yes. 💚CLM💚
@ladyseshiiria3 жыл бұрын
I never understood 1st comment or whatever. But I'm excited to see a comparison video!
@sierrawander71082 жыл бұрын
Recently started drawing again after 10 years of doing mostly computer-generated art. Bought the Crayola colored pencils. Personally, I find that the colored core breaks all the time whether sharpening or in use. They don't smudge very well. I haven't purchased any expensive colored pencils and probably won't. I plan on purchasing matte graphite drawing pencils. I haven't decided on what medium I'll use to do color work. An art teacher once told me that using cheap products can deter a learning artist. As a professional portrait artist, she said always use the products that you can afford. You'll always be striving for your best results Poor color products often produce poor color.
@acelynntoelke68572 жыл бұрын
I finally got a 72 pack of prismacolors and boy oh boy i love working with colors even more now! Before i only had crayola colored pencils, and i hated drawing pictures with color, but now i get super excited whenever i have free time to do art
@ginabadeaux93193 жыл бұрын
you are such an amazing young artist,i love to watch you create
@mootpoint70532 жыл бұрын
I don't care what you tools you are using. She LOOKS amazing!!! Wow you are so very talented!
@mels2876 ай бұрын
Thank you for being so objective in your explanations. I draw a lot with color pencils of all price ranges and you need to get a feeling for each kind of pencils. Once you have it, you can get great results even with cheaper ones. My all time favorites are the simple Crayola, Stabilo ORIGINAL, Castle Arts and Faber Castel Polychromos. The Caran d'Ache Supracolor are too firm mor my taste.
@HuskyMama10092 жыл бұрын
Well done! Great job explaining and demonstrating the sets! Since both have benefits, they could be combined in their strengths
@m0m0withth3big3y3s2 жыл бұрын
This video really shows us that she can create great art even with cheap supplies.
@blueviolets20222 жыл бұрын
she could probably throw pencils at a sheet of paper and it come out a beautiful portrait! lol
@theequestrianedits7552 жыл бұрын
I don’t know how your art is so good and realistic I try but they come out rubbish
@NotThatBob3 жыл бұрын
I really liked this video. I will use Crayola for test drawings, figuring out color blending and background 1st layers. I think I save so much on supplies because the Crayolas do a good part of the initial work. Lastly, I won't put more than 2 light layers of Crayola simply because I'm worried it'll ruin the paper or somehow ruin the layers of Prismacolors. I think I'm being silly but I love the look of the Prismacolors.
@sixteen.candles.46443 жыл бұрын
The otherside looks softer.. But both are great. This vid shows me no matter what you have if the skill is there a masterpeice can be made.
@thambaarts3192 жыл бұрын
You are really good at this
@ChrisTheCritter Жыл бұрын
To get a deeper black with Crayola, I layer with 'deep space', a dull blue hue found in to 100 pencil box.
@ESUTERURE2 жыл бұрын
I bought the Crayola colors of the world recently. Haven't used them yet but from the reviews I'm pleased at my purchase.
@fireberry14063 жыл бұрын
What I learned from this is cheap can work if you have skills in shading and layering
@franciscocontreras44502 жыл бұрын
24:42 in video duration, you did such a magnificent job!!! 👍
@WolfmanWoody7 ай бұрын
You are a superb artist to produce a painting like that using the cheapest of cheap pencils. Absolutely marvelous. TBH, I even prefer the Crayola side, but that's looking at a screen. I understand it is different looking at the actual painting. FULL MARKS though!
@sojiealmozoghi77833 жыл бұрын
Can you draw a portrait with the light behind them like at sunset or something please?
@magnuskallas3 жыл бұрын
From what I understand the main "thing" about higher end coloured pencils is the benefit of getting less "greasy" gloss. Same applies for black pencils, as I've learned from other reviews.
@Morticia1472 жыл бұрын
No, the main thing is that they are LIGHTFAST and available open stock!
@ChandrewsArt Жыл бұрын
Some crayola pencils are lightfast! And some professional brands have certain colors that aren't! (I'm looking at you, prismacolor pinks.) Doing your own lightfastness tests is a great way to tell. Manufacturer lightfastness ratings can be a little iffy sometimes.
@FernCurtis3 жыл бұрын
When working with any pencils, but especially the Crayola pencils, I always “buff” the image a bit and that gets rid of that “garish” shine.
@sandyharless69363 жыл бұрын
What do you use to buff the image?
@MSharizyn2 жыл бұрын
When I use a sharpener, I turn the sharpener and hold the pencil still. It gives more control and better feel for when it's a good point.
@randystache782 жыл бұрын
You are a thorough tester! Absolutely love this comparison! Keep up the amazing work!
@KashiGirl9112 жыл бұрын
Do the two types blend well together? ..so that you can use the more expensive ones for blending and add in details with the crayola?
@pauljs75 Жыл бұрын
Depending on the nature of your projects or the type of art you do, another aspect is the ability to acquire individual colors outside of a set. (Some colors can and do get used up faster.) Sometimes that depends more on brand than price, but you're more likely to be able to do so with a more expensive artist's brand rather than something intended for kids or amateurs.
@serenityjewel3 жыл бұрын
I like the Crayola side better but that shine is a no no.
@AYYngel0311 ай бұрын
Crayola is best for either beginners or cartoon artists, but for realism, it's gonna be quite a challenge. I tried them on brown paper and they are vibrant, same for black paper(depending on the brand of black paper), the white doesn't apply on the crayolas, but blending and layering is great. They're not lightfast, so I recommend putting them in a folder or anywhere that is dark(like your drawers), so light won't fade the colors.
@sunilsamtani26293 жыл бұрын
I loved ❣️how you explain very clearly...
@DeathsAsylum.DW300s Жыл бұрын
The softness depends on the color due to the contents/ingredients to produce that shade/color.
@melbright1002 жыл бұрын
this is a great tutorial i personally prefer the prismacolor but this gives good contrast to the different brands of pencils
@ivmara99873 жыл бұрын
If you're a pro or semi-pro artist, especially when you're taking commissions, don't just stick with the Crayolas and Faber Castell Classics or any kid's colored pencils, because your beautiful artworks made from it's pigments may turn into a waste when it fades, so switch to Polychromos and Luminance or Derwent lightfast instead. Lightfastness is still the most important at the end of the day.
@yvonne_gao3 жыл бұрын
非常感谢你的留言
@ivmara99873 жыл бұрын
@@yvonne_gao what?
@gtfoffmyproperty3 жыл бұрын
@@ivmara9987 "thank you very much for your message" that's how youtube translates the comment.
@gtfoffmyproperty3 жыл бұрын
@@ivmara9987 I don't speak Chinese though
@sagatisbeast3 жыл бұрын
You're amazing, wow. I use to think, not having the best material's were the reasons a drawing or painting would not come out looking good but you and another artists have shown me, that it's about the technique/skill that makes a drawing/painting not the material's. Side note. I know having better material's does help but it isn't the end all be all in my opinion. Take care 🙂 ❤ God bless.
@WeblightDreams3 жыл бұрын
The comparison we all needed. Great video, enjoyed it very much. Both sides came out very beautiful.
@Drawing_with_lillian8 ай бұрын
It’s the artist that make the supplies good. Not necessarily the supplies.
@prarthanarajan11523 жыл бұрын
Wow. I love this picture. I hope my loved ones will get me the colored pencil academy subscription this Xmas.
@dod10462 жыл бұрын
Kirsty, I appreciate your information generosity. Thank you 😊
@evelynm.8967 Жыл бұрын
Oh wow, the quality differences between the two sets are so obvious when shown side-by-side. I went with Faber-Castell Polychromos pencils. They look so creamy without even picking up a pencil.
@vandrujemesk86512 жыл бұрын
Great video and comparison of different crayons. I've watched older videos so far and now I've noticed a new hairstyle. I say it makes you younger. A complete young girl.
@exlynaesthetic56092 жыл бұрын
Well I’m gonna be honest but crayola has a really good detail and good but also does carandache also has a good thing but I think ima go With crayola
@stateofdisorder12 жыл бұрын
What I learned is that you are an AMAZING artist!
@artifexmom38243 жыл бұрын
Wow! That’s beautifully done and yeah, you’re right about the 2 products. ☺️❤️ Keep safe.☺️🙏🏻
@abigailhumes46083 ай бұрын
Beautiful comparison!
@christyschoonens24702 жыл бұрын
Kirsty you are amazing at art you are literally my biggest art idle
@severussnape43783 жыл бұрын
To be honest, it just requires talent.
@RADC00N3 жыл бұрын
I see no difference, that’s how talented you are.
@chartreusecat66423 жыл бұрын
My personal opinion, for what it's worth- both sides are equally gorgeous, just different
@lm41125 ай бұрын
Prisma colors pencils feel so good though.... Its like creamy butter comingnout of the pencil
@aashikachawla58263 жыл бұрын
OMGGG I lovee your English accent Kirsty
@kshrali2 жыл бұрын
Well, I use Crayola for darker areas and expensive ones for other technics. Same as pastels.
@fuzzydragons3 жыл бұрын
crayolas were my first coloured pencil supplies and they did work pretty well when learning, then i progressed to more expensive pencils. you dont need to pencils that costs a lot, but they def can help
@theleechqueen2 жыл бұрын
Impressive. It really comes down to one's skill and knowledge.
@moramorandobianchi70932 жыл бұрын
Amazing! Besides the comparison, which was very informative, but you are very talented!
@Anthony-gq7dk3 жыл бұрын
great demo and superb portrait , well done Kirsty , excellent artist
@Abby-th2or2 жыл бұрын
You are so incredible. As a young artist, I love your videos so much and wish that I could meet you. Thank you for everything you’ve taught. God bless!
@pseudonamed2 жыл бұрын
thank you so much for this, very useful to help decide whether it's worth investing in more expensive stuff. My takeaway is: learn and practice and experiment on cheap pencils, then invest in mid-range like maybe Faber Castell when you want to upgrade, or want to maybe have higher quality for your best work or work you want to give others.. then save the super expensive stuff for if you are actually making money off the work, then it's justified.