Music credit since i forgot to put it in belong to you instrumental version by denitia hattori by OTON
@Cow54 жыл бұрын
That was very well explained with clear examples to illustrate the more abstract concepts. That's just good solid teaching right there.
@vanillafella4893 Жыл бұрын
piccolo
@Cow5 Жыл бұрын
@@vanillafella4893 o.o
@jakezepeda12672 жыл бұрын
Everything makes sense when I think about it but the moment my hands touch a controller my brain turns to pudding.
@cygnisasteriasmr4 жыл бұрын
People say neutral is "impossible" to explain, but I think you did an excellent job at it.
@michaelwaters13584 жыл бұрын
The best part about melee is how deep and subtle these things get when you start playing better players. Things that seem like hard commitments can be done so they are soft commits, over shoot and undershoot have ranges, certain hitboxes can beat shield, etc. Also, the concept of adapting / levels of pattern matching are so incredibly deep in this game because of all the different movement / positional options. Fantastic video btw, you distilled the nebulous idea of neutral down to some concrete things, without being too specific (which is really, really hard - so you deserve major kudos for that). The only other channel that I think captures these deep concepts that you talk about is Core A Gaming. Really enjoyable video, I plan to rewatch it many times to keep it in my head
@turndownforwalt4 жыл бұрын
Great work! Really digging these, keep it up!
@nickg636 ай бұрын
This is not only one of the best explanations I’ve seen of neutral in Melee, but it’s one of the best-produced videos I’ve ever seen about melee. Good audio and narration skills are such a godsend on KZbin. Looks like this channel isn’t active at the moment, but if you ever made more content I would be very happy to watch it!
@Ceilio344 жыл бұрын
Nice! I just started playing Melee today, this channel is sweet!
@rixasum58214 жыл бұрын
have fun :)
@_Majunior4 жыл бұрын
Ssbm tutorials is a little dated on certain topics but I still recommend it
@dosh1n4 жыл бұрын
It’s over, you are the Core-A Gaming of Melee, instant subscribe
@coolpikachufan013 жыл бұрын
Holy shit this is outstanding I watched Toph's reading of the Machaboo fundamentals article a few weeks ago and have been thinking about the RPS of point 2 since. Thank you for using the terms undershoot/overshoot, hearing those terms connected the Machaboo 3 structure directly to smash. Your details on building and deconstructing sequences are super helpful too. This was a big knowledge level up, thanks a ton! Gonna work to turn this into skill
@Thuli4 жыл бұрын
The fact that you just came out the gate with content like this blows my mind. I know you've been doing this for a minute but you make it seem like you've been doing this for a lot longer than you have. Keep it up homie, and congrats on the engagement :)
@hiX0N2 жыл бұрын
Dude. I legitimately thought this was a paid voice-over. Your voice is amazing!
@KenFlare5264 жыл бұрын
I play ultimate, but this is a great tutorial. This can be used for all games in the series, thank you so much!
@IMDRR4 жыл бұрын
melee isn't supposed to make sense
@keb70666 ай бұрын
The person who pushes buttons faster should win!?!
@benferrisinverts4198Ай бұрын
@@keb7066totally lol
@MrMooooole3 жыл бұрын
Falcon and Marth are two of the only characters I can think of these particular concepts continually applying to since there's no projectiles. Maybe a "3 Ways to Make Neutral More Complex" would be good, exploring some of the limitations of this rule of thumb (there's more than 3 as well, so plenty of content!). Great for those learning the game though (which you mention at the beginning), as you're right to try and simplify the concept first, I always have a hard time explaining exactly what I mean when I say neutral though.
@RiahGreen Жыл бұрын
You can think of projectiles as just a really big sword in this example though. IE laser can be both a soft and a hard commitment depending on the range, and-
@RiahGreen Жыл бұрын
Oh, I'm super necroposting. Oops lol
@zjmullan Жыл бұрын
@@RiahGreenlol your second comment saved me from doing the same
@traderjoestar Жыл бұрын
This illustrated very clearly the (very important) conncepts i was realizing i havent been paying attention too enough. This helped me compartmentalize this a lot, and the way people talk about it seems way easier to follow now. Thanks a lot
@SuperToastytoast2 жыл бұрын
This is probably the best anyone has ever explained this game to me
@Sleeepy.4 жыл бұрын
I'm so excited to see your channel blow up
@TheobaldTheBirdАй бұрын
This is amazing, these principles apply to so many other games
@Iumine2 ай бұрын
impressive realization of some abstract concepts. great video
@abernathyloadspiller52983 жыл бұрын
really, [reeeaaally] the best way to learn neutral is to watch matches in slow mo, I find subscribing to a model like this can fog your perceptions if you take it as seriously as may seem convenient
@MiamiConfusion25 күн бұрын
i think this is a really good foundation to building your fundamentals, the only thing i'd add is tempo-timing variations from yourself and the opponent, a small delay can change the whole interaction
@roamrunnerАй бұрын
You have a professional KZbinr voice. Great tutorial, thanks!
@MiamiHeat8723 жыл бұрын
i don't even play melee but out of all the fighting game fundamental videos, this one does it the best if you're trying to learn neutral quickly
@cairnsaiden4 жыл бұрын
Wow! You hit the ground running. This is an S tier explanation and straight-up quality content
@MeshTheSnake3 жыл бұрын
great video, people always make neutral so complex but this really helped break it down. I'll try and think about this actively while playing from now on
@Shadrake3 жыл бұрын
This is the best video I've ever seen on this topic. Absolutely incredible stuff!
@maksusername3 жыл бұрын
You should absolutely have more views. Fantastic video, appreciate the perspective
@tigerlotusgaming9 ай бұрын
Nice vid 👌 made these concepts much more compartmentalized for me
@ph1lny3 Жыл бұрын
I'm teaching my wife how to play Smash, and this is such a good core concepts video! I'll be showing this to her when she's got a better idea of the concept of neutral.
@k__y__l__ef39323 жыл бұрын
Literally always sucked ass at neutral every since i have been playing smash games since 7, and started actually playing melee this january (extremely inconsistentently for like 4 years). This six minutes literally just completely chamged how i played the game. Thx ☺️
@coomartist4 жыл бұрын
video is pretty brilliant, because of its simplicity. introduce basic concepts then build upon it, show when and where to use it, then demonstrate with an example. love it. could you please link the song? its a banger
@BiggestEnergy2 жыл бұрын
you changed my life
@Heinzjmj14 жыл бұрын
Great video and also this works very well on ultimate as well
@averywow2 ай бұрын
omg this party game has so much depth
@Frank74898 ай бұрын
An alternative to shield in the ‘shield vs attack vs grab’ is spot dodge. Then there’s also like dash dancing, tech roll, jump... dash away, idk like a bunch of other options besides shield for when you know an attack is coming. Like crouch cancel is another good one. Also counter for some characters. But yeah anyway, loved this video. Plz make more like it 😊
@whatarewaves Жыл бұрын
Not sure I agree about the whiff punish, over shoot, under shoot rps. I feel like whiff punish was a form of winning neutral for a while back in the old days but around 2017 everyone started soft committing which gets beat by over shoot. You had it right with the first soft commit hard commit framework. Whiff punishing is too risky because players are so good now they’ll make it look like a punishable whiff when it’s not it’s a soft commit. So now it’s a mixup as to dash back or hard commit and over shoot beats dash back and whiff punish beats hard commit.
@deep_cuts20193 жыл бұрын
This video is awesome! Explained important concepts really clearly
@thememehead Жыл бұрын
I thought I understood neutral before this. Now I can say that I don't, but this was very helpful
@maxono14652 жыл бұрын
I keep coming back to this video. I only just noticed your point about just shielding if they overshoot with hitboxes only, i also learned this in game, a dash back -> pivot/dash in shield is like a really strong option and i kept losing to it because i only overshot with hitboxes
@surfyswag4 жыл бұрын
10/10 video, clear explanations with examples in game
@user-et3xn2jm1u3 жыл бұрын
This guy's got the voice of the guy who says "Down here, salt is a way of life" in PBS documentaries.
@bigrig55524 жыл бұрын
Such a great explanation! Thank you very much for this video
@haydens44494 жыл бұрын
Yoo! These are great videos thanks for the content and the work you put in
@markburnell76574 жыл бұрын
found your channel on reddit and im looking forward to whats cominf next keep it up
@clap51088 ай бұрын
Watched this like 10x and I still can't help but throw a knee across the stage😈 Do it for the vine.
@melikmourali20728 ай бұрын
You can still choose how you want to commit by choosing your jump height
@spud10304 жыл бұрын
So glad that falcon was able to beat marth in the end lets go!
@surfyswag4 жыл бұрын
get this man the subs he deserves
@shiesterjr2 жыл бұрын
amazing video, thankyou!
@griffinashley28903 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video
@hahaminenowo74 жыл бұрын
great video
@eu4um4 жыл бұрын
Your voice is so buttery
@ConcavePgons8 ай бұрын
The music is pretty loud but it sounds nice though.
@PooCrizzap9 ай бұрын
Great video, thanks!
@jam9876BP4 жыл бұрын
This video is awesome! I love the double combat triangles! This makes the game so much simpler! Also, what is the music used in the video? :)
@srirachax60494 жыл бұрын
Great job distilling neutral down. I've been aware of the RPS cycle of hitbox grab shield but didn't consider whiff punish overshoot undershoot another one. Definitely gonna keep that in mind going forward. What's the music for the first 4 minutes?
@SynergySource6 ай бұрын
Thanks for this, dude
@kevindhir2 жыл бұрын
Such a good video.
@tehchives4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, gonna show it to some newer friends. Also, music credits please?
@jam9876BP4 жыл бұрын
What's the music in the video? It's awesome!
@Rael05054 жыл бұрын
Why does it say Over shooting < Dash Dancing at 4:56? I thought Over shooting > whiff punishing? Great video though
@HitscanSedan4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic vid
@FortuneKOF23 күн бұрын
Kof playere here, may i use this concept in the future to teach beginners but paraphrasing in kof terms?
@DIZZY05094 жыл бұрын
Thanks! very helpful vid.
@iRaz_GG Жыл бұрын
Great video!
@KynanForsberg5 ай бұрын
Thank you dude
@EMODEGEN4 жыл бұрын
This video goes hard
@coolguy69verycool6 ай бұрын
This is good content
@Oliver_Atkinson Жыл бұрын
This video is awesome
@stayontrack4 жыл бұрын
Great stuff!
@marcv.2387 Жыл бұрын
Very good!!
@cheesescientist81804 жыл бұрын
PLEASE PUT YOUR MUSIC IN DESCRIPTION
@MadisonJones4 жыл бұрын
I just press buttons until I either kill myself, accidentally kill someone else, or fall off the stage. (Dis vid is sick doe 💕)
@susparia47242 жыл бұрын
So just be really unpredictable?
@leightonivy3 жыл бұрын
One thing that you forgot is positioning and spacing. Other wise good video.
@KenFlare5264 жыл бұрын
Can you make a video on playing aggressive?
@coomartist4 жыл бұрын
YO GREAT VID WHATS THE SONG?
@Cerions334 жыл бұрын
YEA whats the song
@Radarssbm3 жыл бұрын
nice!
@KeyLloyd4 жыл бұрын
dude this is so well made, and your voice is amazing for this type of video. keep it up!!!
@RiahGreen Жыл бұрын
Thanks :)
@drumblecumble6 ай бұрын
i would make the music louder
@jacktierney92874 жыл бұрын
good vid
@lucashfam5924 жыл бұрын
Super helpful video, thank you a ton!
@Pope_Stormdrain4 жыл бұрын
3:31 how does cc affect this rps cycle? Would it just add cc and "moves that beat cc" to make it a 5 way rps game?
@Phrigid4 жыл бұрын
id lump CC in with shielding since it typically beats hitboxes but loses to grab. Left it out to keep it simpler for new players but probably should have mentioned it a little bit
@Karaage_ Жыл бұрын
banger
@ThatChampion4 жыл бұрын
doooope
@N1C07074 жыл бұрын
Excellent video
@LordFartamor Жыл бұрын
pepoG
@nickvanderwal9719 Жыл бұрын
boom
@OfficialJabe Жыл бұрын
I hate this video exposes me for how trash i am
@keeislegend9 ай бұрын
just pick falco
@Lep_197 ай бұрын
I mean look none of us watching a video like this are good at the game so I don't think we're qualified enough to say that this "correctly" explains neutral or whatever else. However, I can say that this is probably the most practical explanation of neutral I've seen. So many attempts at these videos are way too nebulous to actually be actionable for someone with no point of comparison, so I commend you for making something we can work with for such an abstract concept.
@NowhereMan7894 жыл бұрын
excellent
@ChadwickMilkington4 жыл бұрын
very epic and cool video
@Phrigid4 жыл бұрын
ty father
@fetchyryu4 жыл бұрын
🐪
@marquisekelly54312 жыл бұрын
Music loud af for no reason
@cabbage724 жыл бұрын
Great video! But none of this makes it simpler
@mccloudian2 жыл бұрын
Great explanation but don't believe your use of undershooting is accurate to how it is most commonly used, undershooting is most often the drift back or early use of an uncommital option in order to feint commitment and to get your opponent to try and punish with a commitment you can then punish in return as you were not in the spot they expected you to be, what you describe as undershooting in the video is normally referred to as "walling"
@deadplockАй бұрын
well nice informations but i got cancer while listening to this music sry