30 Super Carry!

[@seal7144]

I have a Steyr-Mannlicher 1905 pistol that shoots 7.65 mannlicher, which is only available from one source for 7+ dollars per round. So I did some research and got a loading die set from CH tool and die, and they recommended using 30 super carry cases and resizing them for 7.65 mannlicher. So that’s neat, and saves me a little money lol.

[@alexscottthompson812]

lol, buying a machinegun that shoots .303 British is a bigger flex than a Ferrari or a Rolex could ever be. What better way to say "LOOK AT ME, I HATE MONEY"

[@crakkbone]

No joke.

[@waitemc]

Hahaha 🤑

[@HebrewHammerArmsCo]

And whats wrong with a Bren Gun or Lewis in 303 British? Both made hella fun pig rigs back when my country didnt suck..

[@coreymerrill3257]

Prices do drop when people actually buy a cartridge .

[@alexscottthompson812]

@@HebrewHammerArmsCo The only issue that I have with .303 is the price, but it could absolutely be worse; I priced 7.35 Carcano awhile back and it helped put things into perspective lol

[@lanceblinent7909]

30 super ammo is found in your local gun shop next to the .45 GAP rounds and the .41 action express ammo.

[@jcampbell003]

I came here for this comment

[@chicorodriguez3964]

The way of the dodo

[@mshort7087]

And unfortunately next to the 429DE

[@John1911]

😂

[@copper178]

Who’s dumb enough to shop ammo at your local gun stores anyway? Buy that shit online like you’re supposed to do. If you shop online, you’ll notice that 30sc HST rounds cost about the same as 9mm HST, but it’s less expensive than HST rounds in 380, 40, 357sig, 45, and 10mm. 30sct HST rounds will do exactly what 9mm HST does, except in a 30sc gun, you’ll have at least more rounds to kill the bad guy with.

[@timm4499]

.32 French Long reinvented

[@durayenterprisesllc4440]

...with double the pressure, yes.

[@W1ckedRcL]

Ian loved it

[@quiettime6871]

Definitely more powerful and also slightly different

[@W1ckedRcL]

@@quiettime6871 that's what "reinvented" means

[@immikeurnot]

Which is just .30 Pedersen.

[@proZach380]

"I think it would make a great little carbine round too" Hi-Point has entered the chat

[@PacificTrigger]

Where'n the hell you getting 9mm for 15 cents a round, let me in on the secret

[@LAT-qk3vj]

Hell yah, I'm lucky to find it at .30.34 cents a round 😲

[@PacificTrigger]

@@LAT-qk3vj Yeah that's where I'm at here in Oregon, I'd love a box for 7-8$ haha.

[@zumbazumba1]

Directly from factory as he had all the paperwork and he is gun manufacturer?

[@deejayimm]

Probably buying pallets at a time direct from manufacturer or distributor.

[@TheExplosiveGuy]

I reload 9mm for $0.14/rd but that's with cast lead Hi-tek coated bullets, the cheapest I can do FMJ is $0.22/rd...

[@paleoph6168]

Ian McCollum: *happy noises

[@ronaldlucero4258]

COOCOO 4 COCO PUDFFSSS😂

[@B0bthebum]

A double stack hot-rod .25 ACP would be very neat. Maybe get some of the Buffalo Bore hard cast .25 as a baseline, that stuff is no joke!

[@flightlesschicken7769]

I’d be concerned about a lot of the cheapo 25 acp pistols with higher power ammo Edit: that said, I think a double stack improved 25 ACP would be neat

[@sinisterthoughts2896]

Problematic since 25 acp is semi-rimmed.

[@SmokesKwazukii]

@@flightlesschicken7769ya i wouldnt trust many

[@markjones2859]

Hey bud. I'm a big fan of 7.62×25. Around 1600 fps with a 85 grain projectile. Will usually defeat level 3a soft body armor. Just a suggestion. Love the channel.

[@lurebenson7722]

I bought the 16 inch AR 15 barrel from KAK Industries in 30 Luger then I am shooting Racoons with it. Those PPU 309" 86 grain bullets put the instant stop to Coons and sends their guts out the other side. I shot the same 30 luger load at a 4x6 with the 86 grain bullet did a pass through that never expected that to happen. I think the Hornaday 309" 90 grain bullet from the 30 Luger shot from the AR 15 would mess up an attacker badly.

[@xxxxxxxxxx6903]

And the handguns design around that cartridge are simple & stone reliable!

[@Charon-5582]

​@@xxxxxxxxxx6903they also have the ergonomic properties of a brick... they do work though.

[@CoyoteBytes]

I’m happy to see you picking up .30 Super Carry. I’d like it to stay in production. Hopefully you are designing something.

[@ShaneSaxson]

Broke back mountain in the end cracked me up! 😂🤣😂🤣😂

[@argonzeit]

I think 30 super carry is such an interesting cartridge and I really wish Sig would make a P365 in it. I think if Sig did that 30 super carry would become a big player in the conceal carry market. Or at least a bigger player. And the hate for 30 super carry is something that I find super odd, why wouldn't you want more rounds for about the same power? It's the whole reason why people don't carry the 45. 9mm is smaller, lighter, and generally doesn't put as much force down range, and definitely doesn't has the energy transfer like 45 does at the same foot pounds of energy. Having a P365 Macro with a +20 rounds of 30 super carry would be really cool. And I think that's where the 30 super carry could have a real following. Speaking of lighter recoiling rounds, I'd love to find a company who could turn me out a 22 TCM barrel for a P365, I'd be limited to the 22 TCM 9R bullets, but throwing a 39gr pill down range at about 2000fps would be really cool. Plus, 22 TCM is as cheap as 9mm (when you buy from the manufacturer online anyway.) One can dream. One can dream.

[@MarikHavair]

People who carry 9mm hate .30 super carry for the same reason people who carry .45 hate 9mm, which is also the same reason people who carry 9mm hate 45 AARP. It's a normal function of the human mind, although it has dubious merit. Now I *HATE* .30 super carry because they called it .30 super carry. Call it Super 30 or 30 Super like .38 Super, carry just kills the punch in the name.

[@xxxxxxxxxx6903]

So what does 30SC do better than 357Sig?

[@DeadlyPlatypus]

​@@xxxxxxxxxx6903Mag capacity. Maybe grip thickness and recoil (but recoil is just a reflection of energy and mass, so "you get what you pay for" in a sense). Though, the size difference isn't extreme enough to ALWAYS gain additional rounds in the mag or swell the grip.

[@jacobadams7440]

@@xxxxxxxxxx6903 .357 SIG is 10mm Auto necked down and shortened so you get even less capacity than 9mm Luger with more recoil. .30SC gives you more capacity than 9mm with less recoil while still penetrating to FBI minimum depth with decent sized permanent wound cavities.

[@xxxxxxxxxx6903]

@@jacobadams7440 - While I see you point, there are factory loads of 357Sig loaded to 1900+Ft/Sec! And even hotter hand loads. Within typical handgun engagement distances, it's single shot incapacitation rating is right there with 357Mag. Not sure if 30SC real world performance can match that data?

[@Fister_of_Muppets]

Over a year ago I bought a M&P EZ in .30 Super Carry. At the same time, Scheel's also ran the ammo on sale for $13.99 for a box of 50 Federal FMJ, and the 20-rd boxes of HP's for $11.99. I bought 500 of each. It's a nice carry gun, fits 10 in the mag instead of 8 rds that the 9mm offered. Definitely has a "different" recoil impulse with those spicy higher chamber pressures, but I like it. Variety is the spice of life.

[@ashe1.070]

I really like my Shield in .30 SC. It holds 16, and is still fairly compact.

[@Xzone256]

.32 NAA, or .25 NAA, would have been an interesting route too! And if you haven't heard of those, definitely suggest looking into them. Wish the cartridges had both caught more wind/developed further

[@hookedonjeep1]

I can't wait to see the carbine version you will inevitably build!

[@TheSuburban15]

Mark Serbu: certified face-shooter. I wouldn't mind a Kahr PM9 sized pocket pistol in .30 Super Carry.

[@BerndFelsche]

Cut down 5seven makes more sense in a pistol than the full round where the muzzle flash from the FN pistol looks like a tactical nuke exploding. I suppose you could try to swage or roll(?) a new neck on the cut down cartridge and reuse the original projectile.

[@h2recoveryteam2]

Outstanding video. Also thank you for this one. I have looked at the 30 super carry and just reading about it. I was not impressed by it. With you Mark, I do not know you, yet I respect your input greatly. Based on the fact that you are not trying to impress anyone at all. You are as far as I know. Honest with everything you show on your videos. To me that means a lot. So, again thank you Sir.

[@emathieu504]

Out of curiousity, what left you unimpressed with 30 SC?

[@Liberty4Ever]

Mark was late to hear about 30 Super Carry because he's productively engaged in the shop making stuff instead of haunting gunny KZbin and gun forums. The S&W doesn't do anything for me. I'll wait for Springfield to make a 30 Super Carry with GRIP ZONE on the grip so I know where to hold it. Another caliber isn't a negative. It's an excuse to reload another cartridge! Bonus if I can cast lead bullets and powder coat them. 11:20 - Speaking of reloading, wildcatting the 5.7 into a straight wall high pressure 7mm would be fairly awesome. I don't have a 5.7 because it's a pain to reload and tends to get neck splits after a couple of reloadings.

[@scotthaddad563]

Well thanks Mark! As always, you have reinforced your position as the Brokeback Mountain of Firearms!

[@jtpiercy1966]

Well said sir 🎉

[@ergomedasa1362]

Personally i really want to try the "relatively new" and spicy 7.5FK BRNO (7.5mm) round

[@brianj9262]

I like the 30 super. Got it really cheap last year. I think it was 249 and a 50 rebate. Ammo cost wasn't too bad either for a newer round

[@33fastcar]

This makes me want to hit the gun range today. That's called going outside for me. I live on a ranch in Texas. I have a patch on a hat that says "Aim for the face" instead of the North Face...

[@Paladin1873]

I've got an old French Model 1935A that is essentially a 30 SC pistol.

[@thechannelq8728]

The S&W looks like a toddler that dressed itself but they function great.

[@CarbonGlassMan]

I carried a first gen Keltec P32 for years. I would like to get another one. My daughter carries it now. The only downside I ever seen to a 32acp was the occasional rim lock in the magazine. 30 super carry seems like a great submachine gun caliber. Maybe a great derringer round. Maybe a GB22 turned into a GB30 super carry. I haven't looked at the pressures of it, so maybe it's not the best blow back caliber? But the GB30SC could have a bolt that locks closed.

[@jakeoutdoors9600]

If you like 30SC better buy enough ammo to last you a while. That round was dying at the time they released it.

[@justinpennington7682]

Unfortunately you are correct I think

[@mhymyk4022]

Places around me are well stocked on 30SC, mainly because it doesn't move whatsoever

[@rhaynesify]

The largest LG around me just blew out a whole bunch of their .30 SC ammo because they weren’t able to sell it.

[@neutronalchemist3241]

Thanks to the superpressure, that makes it mandatory to use a breechlock action, it will always be a second choice for pistols made in 9mm.

[@RyTrapp0]

Yea yea yea, 5.7 was 'dead' too...

[@RagingShrimp67]

I will be making the move into the 5.7x28 FN ecosystem from the 9x19. The reference threat scenario needs more effective range and higher mag capacity over concealment or weight.

[@Tunkkis]

You might want to look into .22 TCM. It's like FN's 5,7×28 mm, but less r-tаrdеd.

[@j.robertsergertson4513]

how about Hit the gym , Get a 10mm big boy gun and learn to shoot

[@Hornet135]

Ecosystem? Guns aren’t terrariums.

[@RagingShrimp67]

@@Hornet135Guns use ammunition, they use magazines, barrels, suppressors and other things that need to fit the caliber you are shooting.

[@RagingShrimp67]

@@Tunkkis.22 TCM - very limited availability, only one manufacturer (both gun and ammunition). 5.7 is already much more popular and only getting more popular by the day.

[@tacticalrabbit308]

Yea i remember the coof years and trying to find 45 ACP thats why i started buying the components and making my own.

[@chetlockwood1491]

I have three, the S&W Shield, Shield Plus and Hi-Point 3095 Carbine, both of the Shields are mine and my wife's current carry. The carbine is a kick in the ass fun gun to shoot, brass retention is challenging with all of them. They reload fine, they are accurate and I trust my life with them. I'm also on the .32 fetish, I recently acquired a Ruger SP 101 in 327 Federal Magnum, definitely a little spicier, if I could just get my hands on a Henry Big Boy Steel Rifle in 327 Federal, my quest would be over. Just as a little background info, I have a diverse selection to draw from, the pipsqueaks to the reasonable big ones, after all the First Rule of Gun Nuts, 1. You can NEVER have too many !!!!! Update: I also need to include my BSA 310 Cadet, fun little single shot, shoots a 0.321 diameter bullet !!!

[@lurebenson7722]

KAK Industries has AR 15 barrels in 30 Luger so I got one in 16 inch and now assonating Racoons with it using a FoxPro caller. What a smoken great 30 cal cartridge it is and totally wastes them, Coons. Reloading supplies for the 30 Luger are really easy to get also. Bar Sto barrels I found has Browning Hi power 30 luger barrels and some for other pistols.

[@PassivePortfolios]

The 32 H&R should have caught on. Same energy as standard pressure 38 Special with 20% higher capacity in snubbie revolvers. It is having a bit if a resurgence lately though since the 327 mag was introduced. It is easier to shoot in those revolvers.

[@Tunkkis]

The right amount of guns to have is always n+1, n being the number you currently own.

[@lurebenson7722]

@@Tunkkis My own problem is I own to many guns so when going hunting which one or 2 or 3 guns do I take ?

[@pithicus52]

I am collecting 32s also. I didn't know about the Hi-Point. I'll have to check that out.

[@atomicsmith]

I like your 9/30 45/10 comparison! I have never shot this caliber, but it does seem intriguing. Hope it catches on!

[@ashe1.070]

I like mine. It has similar performance to 9mm, the mags hold three more rounds than 9mm, is close to the same price, and has about the same about of recoil (at least for me I can’t really tell the difference). The only problem is that the options for ammo types and firearms in .30 SC are kind of limited compared to 9mm.

[@davedave9552]

Thank you for inspiring us all to get the Covid-19 vaccination. This video was very informative! 😂

[@ScottyAlmondjoy]

How different is it from VBR-Belgium’s 7.92×24mm ammo from the early 2000s? It was based on a cut down .30 carbine cut down to 9mm OAL.

[@flightlesschicken7769]

Wow, I hadn’t heard of this cartridge until now. I’m sad it never took off

[@ScottyAlmondjoy]

@@flightlesschicken7769 it was designed for the NATO call for a new pistol/PDW cartridge. Only 5.7 took off in any capacity.

[@flightlesschicken7769]

@@ScottyAlmondjoy Shame, I would love it if 30 Carbine lived on in some modern capacity. Plus, from what I am seeing online, it had superior ballistics to 5.7

[@leviransom9910]

I love these ranting/rambling videos. Just listening to him go on about things that most people don't care about or find insignificant.... I relate. Keep em coming!

[@Mongo63a]

Japanese had a 7mm pistol round, you could probably find FMJ in 7mm made for reloading it.

[@0neDoomedSpaceMarine]

Depends on if anyone is making projectiles in that size, which they probably aren't for 7mm Nambu by this point.

[@Gieszkanne]

There is also the 7mm penna

[@chevrofreak]

I'm a big fan of 30 Super Carry, but being worried that it won't be around long I bought a case of Blazer ammo, some dies and a stockpile of pulled 100gr FMJ and JHP. I do hope Glock adopts it, which would make it easier to build an AR-15 chambered for it that has magazines available. I also have a Winchester 1892 chambered in .25-20 that a serial number decoder said was from 1893/1894. I have a complete box of Remington ammo from the 1950's. I inherited it from my grandfather, who acquired it in trade for a load of hay. It is the only gun I own that I have never fired and likely never will.

[@theodorechilders3500]

I love 30 super carry I wish it would become more mainstream

[@RobDelacruz-w6d]

Wish on my friend... It wasn't marked properly at all to the demographics that would have been the best future market: new shooters, .. women, .. seniors. Plus they brought Super Carry out at around 20 percent higher price than 9mm, at exactly the time that people were starting to get worried about inflation ! Federal shouldn't have been so greedy, and should have priced it $2 less per box than 9mm to generate more interest. Pretty much a failed marketing plan.

[@deplorablebrian2023]

That misses the boat, I would have expected it to be optimized for a little pocket carry.

[@fredmaner6551]

I really like my first generation S&W Shield 9mm, it makes a great front pocket carry gun, reliable and shoots well. I liked it so much I bought a Shield Plus 9mm. But the magazine catch/release is slightly different, causing my thumb to inadvertently press the magazine catch which of course causes failures. I need to change to a thumbs up grip or install a different magazine catch. I considered the 30 Super Carry, and like it's ballistics as compared to 9mm but decided not to add another caliber.

[@christinepearson5788]

30 Paterson, 32 French long, 30 Supper carry.... Better than 32ACP, but will they make an attacker take floor temperature challenge?

[@RichardCranium321]

If you hit vitals like nerves, spine, smooth brain, etc... absolutely. There's a pretty infamous case where an officer got in a gunfight with a cartel member and the guy took 13 rounds of .45acp JHP to the body, 6 of which were considered "lethal hits" to lungs and heart area, but it took another 3 to the guys face to end the fight... Totaling 17 rounds of 200+ grain 45acp to stop the firefight. He now carries over 140 rounds of 9mm... Just in case.

[@ronmoore6598]

Like everything else, depends on where you hit them.

[@ameritus9041]

My dad new a guy in college who got shot trying to break up a bar fight. It was with a 22lr snubnose revolver. The bullet nicked his aorta and the dude bleed out before the ambulance got there. Shot placement is important.

[@christinepearson5788]

@@RichardCranium321 one of our local duputies emptied his service weapon into a meth head. He got all K zone hits. The man scuffed with deputy for empty weapon before two additional officers could subdue him. I was in ER for unrelated condition got good chat with classmates from HS, both deputy and monster who recognized me. The bullets didn't expand and meth man lived for another half year, the drugs got him not the bullets. I'm warry of bullets and calibers that haven't been proven

[@jimmyrustler8983]

​​​@@christinepearson5788Yup. You're not wrong to feel that way. We're being sold snake oil, it seems. Look at Paul Harrells tests with 10mm Auto, certain manufacturers were underloading the rounds. Always run your carry ammo through a chrony. 👍 Ps. Hope you and the deputy are doing okay 🙏

[@Tornahdo707]

You got me interested in your 5.7 project. I've been interested in something akin to a 25 magnum cartridge but nothing like that exists. Something designed for a hand gun but would be fun to have in a rifle too.

[@Gieszkanne]

Yes but its not new look for 7mm penna

[@Tornahdo707]

@@Gieszkanne 27cal, but I'll take it lol. Ill look into it. thanks!

[@acarrillo8277]

I'd really like to see how this cartridge performs in a PCC.

[@durkhurker6268]

30 Super Carry MAT-49 AR custom build when? 🤔

[@paleoph6168]

​@@durkhurker6268or better yet, MAS-38.

[@nedyahyakcam]

Keltec or hipoint or someone in that teir make one. Can't remember who. I live in south Africa. We don't get that brand here. Gun jesus reviewed it about a year ago I think. Edit It's hipoint. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJ6Xl5Z6fMeViKssi=nb0MEu_97e7d5Xiu

[@GunFunZS]

I think 300 black makes that pointless. You can have a locked bolt gas-operated PCC which is smoother and substantially more powerful.

[@acarrillo8277]

@@GunFunZS I would think that the smaller 30 super carry cartridge and the ability to carry more rounds verses 300 would be relevant. Especially in regards to a sub gun. 300 blk is an intermediate round and twice the size and weight of the 30 super.

[@Struggle-Snuggle]

.30 Super Carry looks awesome to me. I use .32 H&R Mag and I really love it, it's good to see the same principle in a rimless cartridge.

[@ronmoore6598]

I've been thinking about a .25 magnum for pocket concealed carry for a while now! Would love to see you do it!

[@Swishersweetcigarilo]

Look up .25NAA . It's a .32acp case that's bottlenecked to accept a 25acp bullet. They make a 32naa also using a .380 casing

[@durayenterprisesllc4440]

@@Swishersweetcigarilo...and they're both silly.

[@ronmoore6598]

@@Swishersweetcigarilo Yeah, but that would take up the same space as any other 32 case cartridge, and you wouldn't get any capacity benefit.

[@TurboDog73TX]

It's an answer to a question I never had.

[@RobPincusPro]

We've been getting a lot of orders for 30SC PD10s at Avidity Arms....

[@RobDelacruz-w6d]

Care to give us an actual quantity ??🤔

[@RobDelacruz-w6d]

If you ever get around to bringing out that smaller Avidity pistol you once mentioned, then that could be a better match for 30 SC.

[@MrHub929]

What I have been looking for is a bull pup .308 bolt gun with a box mag and 18 inch barrel. Small, portable package, but fun and accurate for some what long range. But it seems like it dosent exist.....

[@durayenterprisesllc4440]

I like pizza.

[@John1911]

I think the 30SC is interesting in full sized pistols with longer barrels. Will we ever get a chance to test that interest? I am doubtful. Everyone says it is dying, but I wonder what the ammo sales numbers tell.

[@Gieszkanne]

A conversion barrel for a Glock 17 or 34 would be nice. But you would also need special mags.

[@hornmonk3zit]

You got a lead on that $0.18/rd 9mm? Lowest I can find online is $0.26/rd and that's bulk Magtech steel case. I haven't seen under $13 a box locally since 2018.

[@Bill-wz6tw]

Usually the smaller caliber rifle cartridge weapons like that 20-25 rifle were sold for varmint hunting where your target is small and at a fairly long range away in fact the .223 Winchester is a varmint round originally before the military adopted it for its low recoil as the 5.56 mm M-16 cartridge. The low bullet weight offers the advantages of low recoil and the higher velocity gets the bullet to the target quicker allowing less bullet drop and time for the animal to react also like when you fire at a deer with a bow often times the deer ducks or jumps out of the flight path of the arrow high velocity projectiles don't allow this phenomena to occur.

[@mrben6573]

3:05 Mark. Slightly lengthening .25 ACP and turning it into .25 Serbu Carry would be the coolest thing in the entire world. It wouldn't take all that much additional power to make a .25 Serbu Carry cartridge that passed the FBI cloth+gel penetration test and allowed for reliable hollow point expansion. Maybe keep the projectile weights the same but hotrod it to 120 foot pounds of energy or so?

[@cal30m1]

Since the 25acp does have a rim I always toyed with the idea of converting a 4” 22 revolver into a 25acp. That extra barrel length would increase the XTP bullets past the expansion threshold…

[@myfavoritemartian1]

Years ago I invented another class of pistol. The "Dress up gun". Small, very light weight and pocket carry. It is good for social occasions and lounging around the house. It was a .380 ACP but I always wanted one in 9mm, but a 9mm gun was much bigger for some reason. 30 super carry could be the solution. Thanks Mark!

[@jamesb2291]

My Walther ppk .380 is my "formal" gun

[@Sparks00psn]

Unfortunately the .30 Super carry guns are all the size of 9mm guns.

[@billfoster213]

It's already been done, Walther PPK or the Colt model 03 if you're a Fudd like me. 😅

[@myfavoritemartian1]

@@Sparks00psnThe only advantage is 2 more rounds.

[@myfavoritemartian1]

@@billfoster213I have been looking for a 9mm gun with 10 rounds and small like a mini Glock but thin.

[@HolyMoley2u]

Good review, I agree that most folks carry the lightest handgun for concealed carry. I carry the same Sig as you but only during colder months that is easier to conceal. All other times I carry the Ruger LCP Max .380 with 12 round mag. I never leave home without it 😊Cheers

[@xvonfrankenstein]

Ingenious solution to a non existent problem.

[@ostiariusalpha]

Getting more ammo capacity for equivalent performance has _never_ been a non-existent problem.

[@kenibnanak5554]

It is an old design. Back in the 60s there was an M-1 Carbine Short round. The .30 Super is almost a clone of that (but in a newer pistol). Then of course there was the .French .32 Long submachine gun round. Prior examples aside, observations reveal that large calibers do a better job of quickly draining an opponents radiator than do the holes made by smaller calibers.

[@jcraigshelton]

The 30 Carry is nowhere close to the 30 Carbine. The latter is a rifle cartridge.

[@kenibnanak5554]

@@jcraigshelton I didn't say .30 Carbine, I said .30 Short carbine. Slightly less power and shorter. Dates back to the early 60s. About 5 or 6 months of prodcution then dropped (couldn't compete in price with the volume sales of surplus full size Carbine ammo). That said, Ruger Blackhawks were available (for unknown reason) in a .30 carbine version for awhile.

[@GreekPreparedness]

Something interesting about the 30SC is how it compares to the Notorious 7.62 Tokarev. I am taking sectional density and penetration here.

[@jimmyrustler8983]

7.62 Tok is a pretty spicy round.

[@GreekPreparedness]

@@jimmyrustler8983 it turns out 39SC us a bit spicier. Lol

[@gomergomez1984]

Is it a cut down .30 carbine case? It might be a great cartridge for both humans and medium size critters with good projectiles. A lightweight high capacity gun good for hiking and camping or work out in the field.

[@fixedG]

I don't know if it's going to be .30 Super Carry or .277 Fury that catch on as the next big things, but I'm glad people are attempting to innovate in the cartridge design space, achieving the pressures that can be pushed with modern metallurgy and CAD, as opposed to applying innovations in powder and projectile design to century old form factors. And a little PDW in .30 Super Carry would be the cat's pajamas. I'm no engineer but I imagine you'd have all kinds of pressure to operate a little piston like in an MPX, as well as pressure to make a compensator very effective. A CZ Skorpion form factor would be super cool too, but I'm afraid the cartridge would too much for simple blowback.

[@ShootingUtah]

I'd really like to see a resurgence of .38 Super! It's always been around in the competitive shooting world to some degree but you never see any regular guns chambered for it. I always wonder why not? For any given 9mm handgun you would get the same amount of rounds and a pretty big jump up in ft lbs of energy and all that.

[@mattscalzo2375]

I love me Shield Plus 30SC! I think in order for 30SC to truly gain some traction they need to release pistols that are strictly chambered in 30sc. So far I love mine and it's extremely reliable. Not much noticeable difference in recoil compared to 9mm but much more ammo capacity.

[@garandm1d]

I agree... I hope it really takes off...need a few more manufacturers to chamber it in their handguns/ carbines...a true straight wall cartridge is a bit easier to reload vs. the tapered 9mm ... components should be a little cheaper considering on average there's 20% less material in the projectiles...

[@joecoastie99]

Mark, it makes me so happy to hear about your 5.7 idea. I too had the idea to chop a 5.7 case at the neck and use a 25acp bullet. Alas, I don’t have the means to make it happen. If you do get that project running I’d love to see the product!

[@Clockwork5quirrel]

The longer brass isn't to increase propellant capacity. It's so that if you load it into a gun chambered for the similar diameter but less powerful round (for instance, a 10mm round in a .40 cal pistol), the gun won't go all the way into battery and thus won't fire. It's a technique that has been in practice since the early days of semi-auto pistols.

[@johnnyk5]

You mentioned a carbine being a good application. If you want a new project, how about a 16” double rifle with minimally-thin barrels? O/U or SxS, your choice. A 10” pistol version of same or a pepper box would be neat, too.

[@Saltpork305]

So I'm a fan of the 327 Fed Mag revolver round for much the same reason you like 30SC. It's modernized, lighter weight guns, more rounds, etc etc. I see 30SC as the 327 Fed Mag Auto. You can up the pressure and make little 32 caliber bullets just screaming fast to impart force in smaller packages than you can 9mm/357. It's a solid concept and I hope it gains more traction.

[@j.robertsergertson4513]

It won't , 30 super carry and 327 are heading for the dust bin of history

[@commonsenseisntcommon1776]

I have a 30 super in m and p shield plus and i really like it!

[@palerider7171]

I like the 30 SC as a concept. I also like 327 Federal and would like to get back into it however ammo is sparse and Ruger hasn’t come back to commitment of the full product line, awaiting for the 7 shot GP100 or Single 7 to kick off again. So once burned twice shy, so I am waiting to see if 30SC has the legs under it and someone besides SW and Hi Point (carbine) come out with a pistol in the caliber.

[@royceabbottsexcavation3709]

I like them all big and small!

[@travisbell9014]

If they would make the 30 super carry guns smaller than the 9mm guns I would find it interesting.

[@durayenterprisesllc4440]

Smaller in what dimension? Which dimension of a Sig P365 or a Kahr PM-9 do you find too big?

[@Sitiveni12]

Mark, what about necking down the cut 5.7 brass, to .25 caliber? Unless you're completely set on keeping it straight walled

[@djagrarms7916]

I think you’re right about civilians not having to worry about logistics so much it actually stifles innovation. I’ve been saying for a long time that pdw guns are widely inefficient because of old pistol rounds and the need to have compatibility across your personal carry platforms. As always thanks for the insight mark👌🏼

[@stevekreitler9349]

Are you going to get in on the beta for the M1337 3d printed belt fed Gatling? I've started printing links- I'm waiting for the full design to build it, as I don't have time or money to participate in the beta.

[@carami6442]

I've got a .311 stub from a 7.62x39 project I did a while back now I want to machine it into a sig p365 barrel and make the first 30sc p365

[@jimmyrustler8983]

That'd be cool.

[@allthingsconsidered3211]

Sig at shot show, believe it was ian interviewing, said they dropped the pressure to 70ksi to improve accuracy as a heads up

[@RichardCranium321]

Would definitely like a small PDW in 30super carry... Especially if they (you) built something like the vz51 Scorpion but chambered in 30sc instead of 32acp. Wait, could you just convert a regular Scorpion parts kit, make your own 30sc barrel, and print a lower? Would that even be safe considering the pressures, or would you need a different operating system other than straight blowback? Would you need to also print mags for it or do you think cheaper aftermarket glock mags could be made to work by slightly bending the feed lips? Damnit Mark, now I have too many questions.

[@nichevo1]

The thing for this would be to fit it in a Seecamp, Baby Browning, vest pocket form factor.

[@andyanderson9165]

I love your channel. I've been giving the 30 super carry a hard look and I'm very intrigued.

[@captainscarlett1]

What about 380 ACP? I'd think that's between 32 and 9mm?

[@thefirstmissinglink]

Love the thought of hot rodding the 25. Budget is kinda a problem on 1100/month though. I am now salivating over the 30SC.

[@TheAdequateMedia]

since you have the requisite FFL stuff you should do a firearm that's using the same style E-Trigger system that they've been rocking these last 15 years, i've seen a couple examples of electronically actuated firearms, but the main ones are dumb, so as a floridian who likes shooting i'd love to see what you could come up with.

[@rhino7342]

Paul Harrel did a video a year or so ago on 30 super carry

[@shootinbruin3614]

2:23 If I'm not mistaken, .416 Barrett shares the same relationship with .50 BMG as .243 Winchester does with 30-06

[@CountryPewPew]

Either the very end of 2020 or the beginning of 2021 I took a trip to a big box gun store a few hours away and on their ammo self there was 3 boxes of federal 9mm and the price was $56.99 on the box I grabbed one went to check out the clerk wiped it with alcohol wipes and I was on my way. That box is now on the wall where I reload most of my pistol rounds with a note that says when you need motivation 😂

[@KhanTrav]

I have not seen one in the wild. I do carry a 25 though. So I am not opposed to it.

[@thegentlemenrat3727]

Nice marc Now what freaky stuff i gotta do to get a free super shorty huh

[@Barskor1]

Bring a super shorty?

[@thegentlemenrat3727]

@@Barskor1 thats the trick He doesn’t make them anymore

[@124thDragoon]

I personally think the single event that would seal the .30 Super Carry’s fate as a success is if the P365 would be chambered in it. The ammo is currently at ~37 cents per round on Ammoseek, but I saw it get as low as ~30 cents per round last summer. The issue definitely isn’t production volumes. There just isn’t enough of a variety of subcompacts chambered in it. And maybe a general confusion on what the cartridge is supposed to be. A rule of thumb with the .30 Super Carry is that it generally requires a firearm’s action to be as strong as it’d need to be for 9x19. Sure, the cartridges themselves are narrower, but they produce basically the same amount of energy. It isn’t like a .380 or a .32, where you can get a noteworthy lighter gun. .30SC is always going to be an engineering cousin of 9mm.

[@CyborgZeta]

I'd consider a Shield in .30 Super Carry if I was going to carry an autoloader. I'm a big fan of the .32 H&R Magnum and .327 Federal Magnum in revolvers.

[@PolymerLad]

I've been kicking around a similar, but different, idea. Stick to a 380 ACP OAL, and build a steel magazine like shield arms for a Glock 42, try for 10 rounds in something that small. Could be a cool pocket rocket.

[@peglegjak3335]

In Washington state 9 mm was $2 a round during COVID at one point

[@williammccaslin8527]

If other manufacturers would come out with other models as in ex. A ruger .380 max in .30, I would be all over it. Ian Mc Collum made a few vids about this caliber, an it was reported that it was about 15% less powerful than a 9mm, but more powerful than a .380. But cost being a consideration, its more price wise than 9mm. God willing, more manufacturers will get on this bandwagon, an ammo manufacturers will come down in price on the ammo. Thx for the vid Mark

[@donkeziah2564]

From watching your video the cartridge need a longer barrel to get a better effect from the powder as it was throwing a great muzzle blast from each shot! I'll stick with my 380's loaded with Winchester Silver tips or Federal Hydra- Shacks and an extra mag in my pocket to get me back to my vehicle.

[@AspirantVeeVee]

i wish there were other options for 30sc, its either a sheild which i just dont like, or a super high end 1911. i would love to have a kimber micro with 10 rds of 30sc.

[@STB-jh7od]

So I assume the 30 super carry Serbu Skorpion will be coming along soon? 😄😉

[@amazed2341]

What did you think of .327? I’ve always been a big fan

[@kpatton-ir9oc]

If you want a block, get a glock, LoL 🤠 S&W tends to have a bit more style

[@MagneticVS]

Love your videos!! What bullet trap do you use in your shop ?

[@HammondArmory]

I haven't bought anything 30 super carry yet because I wasn't sure if it would stay around...

[@seesitcoming]

I have one for carry and I really like it. S&W trigger is decent and recoil is just right. Plus it's 13 rounds in the flush mag

[@d.noneyabusiness8523]

1 of the things I don't like about those small framed pistols is that you have to worry about slide bite.!! If they made them with small beaver tails That would probably be helpful.

[@samchristo1745]

That gun and caliber for me is the 380acp Glock42 I can’t say enough good things about it. concealable, light, accurate, reliable, easy recoil, After market accessories. And it shines here in Florida.🥵