300Tdi overheating Customer reported boiling. But was it? Part 4 Tests

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[@tonypacke6954]

As a lot of the proper engineers are dying off and their wives are selling their tools, it would be a good time to get a set of these:- www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Moore-Wright-2-12-Inside-Internal-Micrometer-In-Box-ME2948/313115782386?hash=item48e727acf2:g:XaIAAOSwpSpe5kWS

[@martinwyke]

Did you ever get to the root cause of this, tear down the lower end? To overheat two heads even cheap ones I'd have to suspect common root cause like a blockage in a water channel in the block resulting uneven warming/cooling.

[@philaddison7590]

i just love your passion for making every engine perfect again. If i was 20 years younger i would come over from the UK and be your apprentice, you make me wish i had gone into Mechanics as a trade way back.

[@Jottingsfrom]

Strangely hypnotic - watch the diesel level drop. Keep the coming Mike!

[@evanjones2539]

It gets me why people buy a Landy if they can't fix most of it themselves, we're lucky over here in the UK we can pick the bits up anywhere...

[@_captain_underpants]

Obviously it's not been looked after well in it's life, people moan but to be honest any engine will fail if it's not maintened properly. Driving it with low oil, overheating, bodged repairs and general abuse is always going to end badly. People skrimp on maintenance and then winge when it goes tits up later on. I rebuilt my 200tdi earlier this year at around 200000 miles only due to the fact I was restoring the whole vehicle and it didn't even need a rebore. cylinders and crank were still in spec as were the conrods so it's needed nothing more than a hone of the bores and the crank and cam polished. The shells were very close though just starting to show some copper but they're bloody good motors if looked after properly.

[@BritannicaRestorations]

Yes they are, but a neglected one over here is a fortune to repair - everything has to be imported

[@deniscudahy4549]

The plot thickens my friend 👍👍👍👍

[@BritannicaRestorations]

Indeed!

[@dariuszrad4559]

Mike jesteś super specjalistą Twoje filmy są bardzo dobre. Pozdrawiam

[@BritannicaRestorations]

Dziękuję Ci ! Mike

[@MrRobmellor]

Hi Mike. So we have an engine that has thick gooey oil in it. it has been boiling up, or running out of coolant and then overheating probably more than 10 times. WHAT!!!! can possibly be wrong with it is not the question, it is more what is going to be good about it. And the answer to that boys and girls is, written on the toilet wall by Mr F. Hall. It's the old story Mike, no maintenance will catch up with you. Take it to the nearest Landrover funeral director ( scrap yard ) Best of luck. Yorkshire Rob.

[@BritannicaRestorations]

Getting all too common now Rob!

[@jamesbarker4808]

Now i’m watching diesel drain!

[@BritannicaRestorations]

Next week - paint drying!

[@Anderzander]

Britannica Restorations Ltd 😂

[@GrumpsBarn]

@@BritannicaRestorations ...the sad thing is, I'd almost certainly watch it....and give it a thumbs up... :)

[@robmurg]

Interesting test. To get the pistons the same height you must turn the engine over so two pistons will be on the compression/exhaust stroke (travelling upwards) and two on the power/intake stroke (travelling down). I wonder if the rings float a little as the pistons change direction and affect the quality of the seal? Be interesting to see the test repeated with the crankshaft a further 180 degrees over, but life is short.

[@BritannicaRestorations]

If so then 1-4 and 2-3 should be the same

[@Oufg103f]

Great video Mike 👍, A shady head a shady block. Think she is toast. Apart from number 4.

[@BritannicaRestorations]

Yes we could make it into a Lister one lunger!

[@grahameroberts8109]

Gone to do paperwork? Hahaha. Your voice suggested otherwise but good for you Mike. Bloody engines. Wouldn’t it be good if you had a rack full of various types so you could just swap them over. It would be bloody quicker. Hmmm....we would miss out on the instructional videos though.

[@BritannicaRestorations]

The more of these tired Tdi I see the more it convinces me the 4.3 Vortec is the way to go

[@soylentblue6924]

This would put any one off buying a defender Mike? Hope the owner feels better soon? The old diesel test never fails to entertain 👍 thanks Mike

[@BritannicaRestorations]

These trucks have never been serviced in years - sold for big money with no warranty, then needing big repairs

[@gshort4707]

You probably haven't realised yet Mike, but these vehicles aren't really from a continent beginning with A. Much closer than that. Your neighbour (neighbor?) got fed up with all the bits of broken Land Rover you threw over the fence and has collected them together, built two broken Land Rovers and got his mates to bring them round to taunt you as punishment!

[@BritannicaRestorations]

What goes around comes around eh?

[@philipmadhatter4006]

Fill the sump with diesel then the cylinders will hold it better

[@BritannicaRestorations]

I think there is quite a bit in there now!

[@philipmadhatter4006]

Just think of it as an extra fuel tank

[@PeterJewell2]

The story continues, but the videos don't have obviously connected titles: [Part 5: kzbin.info/www/bejne/epqZanWojMqgaJY ] [Part 6: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZvQmGCGjdOYsJo ] - final. (Only started watching as I discovered my 200TDi has a small radiator leak -- found as a result of some off-roading through puddles in near sub-zero temperatures and surprised to see steam gently rising from the front! Not overheating, but is losing coolant, so a pressure test is next... Thanks for all the great videos. Very helpful.)

[@raywalsh5822]

i used to test em like that when i worked for cummins

[@BritannicaRestorations]

It does give a good visual at to where the blow by is coming from

[@10beerman]

Skim the head, cut the valves, wack it back together and reroute the blowby pipe with a Y piece into both chassis rails.. just dont weld it next year.

[@gazzafloss]

Interesting fact there Mike, that the head dimensions and bolt patterns are the same from the earlier cast iron head series engines. I've sometimes thought the Tdi engine would have been better with a cast iron head, the alloy head is what usually ends the Iife of a Tdi, (an Achilles heel so to speak). But I suspect it's more complicated than that.

[@bigm383]

Achilles Head.

[@BritannicaRestorations]

The block is almost the same as the 2.25 from the series 2 - they didn't change much over the years - just a few tweaks here and there They put an oil gallery in for the piston cooling and turbo feed, engine mount position, oil return from the head and a few others - they certainly got their money out of that design!

[@kabaottoemulsion1869]

It looks like Engine needs complete rebuilt.......

[@gsylass]

Now you've gone this far, if the owner wants to keep it surely it's worth a full rebuild or a transplant? Otherwise it's just going to cause problems in the future (with more $$$ to be spent). Add a Turner gas flowed head for good measure :)

[@BritannicaRestorations]

The gas flowed heads are not really worth it - balancing the rods make the motor run so much smoother

[@gsylass]

@@BritannicaRestorations fair enough - we didn't go to that level with ours and the gas flowed head really helps the motor before the turbo kicks in - well it helped in our case when the turbo spat its dummy the other week :) Disclaimer - where we live the official speed limit is 35mph so driving is a little different to mainland driving!

[@leighriley6277]

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[@rodrigotomita6473]

Hello mr Mike, nice work! Cilinder 4 is in great shape! How long should it take to drain the diesel, if the cilinder and rings are "ok" (not perfect, but acceptable)? Maybe couple of hours? Thanks!

[@BritannicaRestorations]

Not sure but they should be even

[@weaton25]

Just a thought is there a decent 4 cylinder petrol engine of any make that could go in a defender with your gas prices not much of a problem being a jeep person would go for a 4ltr strait 6 if it could be made to fit plenty of power and they go on forever.

[@BritannicaRestorations]

Problem is adaptors and matching gearboxes - when I did the GMV6 Vortec I used the GM engine and box, wit an adaptor to the transfer - works well!

[@dobcross]

I would rebuild the engine if it was mine its half striped down already then he knows he's got a good engine for years to come 👍

[@BritannicaRestorations]

And here's the big but - what about the rest of the vehicle? What next?

[@gsylass]

@@BritannicaRestorations probably all bar the bodywork TBH...

[@timboyle3114]

Vortec swap Mike! You know it makes sense (for your customers wallet!)

[@BritannicaRestorations]

Perhaps you can see why I was so interested in the Vortec - cheap, powerful, very robust, starts in the cold and makes the heater hot in winter, parts and repairs as most local garages. I need to work with Novak to make the kits - time is what I am lacking!

[@COIcultist]

I need to say something. I've not been watching long and I'm quite impressed/ The problem is the questions I'm asking might sound like I'm sniping and I'm not. There are so many numpties on KZbin talking authoritatively but spouting shite. If you bother yourself asking them questions then it is just a waste of making the effort to type. So if I ask you questions it's not that I'm sniping, it's that I respect what I have seen and want to ask about what you did or said. Having said that: 13.50 onwards. *"We're going to put in at least 130lbs into this which at 15psi is."* How does one put 130lbs in something at 15psi? The only way I could envisage that was if we had a large pressure vessel on a scale and inserted air at 15psi and it managed to weigh 130lbs more? Honestly I'm not sniping!

[@BritannicaRestorations]

'Which is roughly ten times more than 15 psi is' My air pressure is 130 psi and the max pressure of the casting under vehicle coolant pressure is 15 psi

[@COIcultist]

@@BritannicaRestorations I still didn't understand what you were saying. I'll leave what I was typing until the penny dropped. In actuality, I added about three words to finish off the sentence. So you understand where I was going. First of all thanks for the prompt response. I've no idea if I'm industrially missing something but: When you mentioned 15psi I assumed you had an adjustable pressure port from your compressor. I've just got a cheap Aldi compressor but there is the full pressure port and a variable pressure port. I missed the *"which at 15psi is almost ten times what water pressure should be."* I'd heard your 15psi arse about face or just failed to hear the reference to water pressure. Thanks. If I argue with people and I find I'm wrong I'm never unhappy. I've learnt something. It took me years to realise many people are not wired that way.

[@SiCrewe]

Is there much of a "community" of LR enthusiasts in Canada and the USA? Maybe you could get on the interweb and encourage Canadian Landy owners to get together, put some money together, get in touch with trustworthy contacts in the UK and set up some kind of scheme to group-buy parts and get them shipped across several times a year? You could give the group some advice about what to ask for when agreeing purchases (video evidence of engines running, compression tests etc) and then leave it up to the group to satisfy themselves that they were buying serviceable parts. If somebody shows up with, say, an engine they've bought from the UK, you'd inspect it and if it was junk it'd be between the group and it's UK suppliers to sort it out, without you having to get involved. You could even, perhaps, offer some kind of paid internet-consultation service, offering assistance to DIYers who're part of the group. Thing is, in the UK a dead 300tdi engine isn't really THAT big of a deal. £500 will get you a complete, running, 300tdi engine which a competent DIYer could fit in a weekend to restore a £7,000 Defender to working order. Seems like having to wait, say, 3 months for a reasonably-priced, serviceable, engine to be shipped across to Canada in order to properly repair a valuable vehicle would be better, in the long-run, for owners, for the LR community *and* for overburdened mechanics than just throwing a vehicle like this back together and then flogging it to pass the problems onto somebody else.

[@BritannicaRestorations]

There are clubs here but they are few and far between As for shipping a motor... www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/longshore-workers-unlimited-strike-1.5677959

[@SiCrewe]

@@BritannicaRestorations Strange situation when Canadian LR owners must, presumably, realise that they struggle to find parts but they haven't tried to do anything to remedy the problem. Maybe they're all just too used to having people like you doing all the legwork for them? Used to be quite into VW Beetles, back in the day, and most of the tuning parts for Beetles came from the USA - from the whole "beach buggy" scene - but obtaining parts from the USA, through clubs and forums, was just as easy as ordering from the UK. Best thing I ever did was buy the windscreen for a splitty van from the USA. Glass would have cost £500 from a UK supplier. Got a used windscreen from the USA for $80 + $30 insured shipping. I figured that if it got broken during the trip I could claim on the insurance and order a replacement from a UK supplier... but it arrived perfectly intact! Be nice if there was a similar set-up for LRs in Canada.

[@Anderzander]

That customer will be starting to see you as a constant source of bad news ! It only came in for a leaking header tank 😂 mind you the Yorkshire accent is well suited to a harbinger of doom

[@BritannicaRestorations]

Old cars = old problems that never get corrected

[@Anderzander]

Britannica Restorations Ltd until now !

[@raywalsh5822]

owd mon i thawt noha had his work cut out with the ark.

[@BritannicaRestorations]

Nothing that money thrown at it won't fix!

[@bozmeg69]

Great to see this video as I am currently suffering from the same scenario. Next step is the head inspection. The lower block is a concerning issue that I will look at as well if required. What was the final fix? I am guessing remove and rebuild the reinstall?

[@BritannicaRestorations]

You could find the head is cracked - very common on these older motors

[@bozmeg69]

@@BritannicaRestorations I kind of suspect that Mike. Prior to this over heating happening I replaced it with a Turner Eng head. I just have to find the time to get back to it to get the real story.

[@BritannicaRestorations]

Even the Britpart heads are a lot better than they used to be - All my 300Tdi engines get new heads now

[@gilberta458]

Where is Rupert?

[@andrewpeake1858]

didn't bother to check the radiator then?

[@raywalsh5822]

u need a manometer for measuring blow by

[@COIcultist]

dop-do be do-doop manometer do do be do! Think *The Muppet Show/?*

[@machiningbasics1729]

Stick a Rover v8 in lol nice work

[@BritannicaRestorations]

Prime for a Vortec!

[@347lbs]

Is it possible to fit liners at this point Mike? I don't know the answer, but have heard people say this.

[@BritannicaRestorations]

I think the pistons a STD, so lots of room for a rebore - liners are a last resort

[@owensteele1274]

Sorry Mike. That engine is finished.

[@BritannicaRestorations]

You don't say? lol!

[@patrickjobling8676]

Add some detergent squadron leader. . Lotsa bubbles ..my bubbles ..gimme bubbles .. bubbles bubbles ...😎😁

[@hyhgtsssassfilj]

Only real option is to pull it apart for a full rebuild. Poor customer having bought a shed.

[@BritannicaRestorations]

There are a lot like this round here now!

[@peterg1448]

looks like a rebuild or replace

[@BritannicaRestorations]

Well looks like a used engine is out www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/longshore-workers-unlimited-strike-1.5677959

[@COIcultist]

@@BritannicaRestorations Alright it won't be light and airfreight is most of what is flying at the moment so rates won't be cheap but in the great scheme of things. What are UK to Can airfreight rates like?

[@raywalsh5822]

its more tired than a galliard slave

[@shropshireladoutdoors743]

That down payment on a grenadier is getting closer by the day thanks land-rover and they lost there court case aswell

[@BritannicaRestorations]

Might get a Station Wagon AND a pick up now!

[@diggerd9267]

Looks like a money pit 💰 🤑

[@BritannicaRestorations]

looks you say?

[@chrisgreenwood271]

You've got to start to feel for these owners, these are just money pits.

[@gsylass]

All old land rovers are (unless well looked after) as they get used and abused because they can take it. You really need to budget for a galv chassis and full rebuild before buying a land rover! In UK, at least you have Richards, Turners, Ashcroft and Synchro Gearboxes for the major stuff... We bought our '97 90 (300tdi) for £1k knowing it needed work (!) - the only thing not touched so far are the gearbox and transfer case! But it has served us well and it's another landy saved from scrap...

[@ezrawhite8565]

I bought my 300tdi disco with over 12k in receipts over a 4 year period and seem to be working on it almost every week! They are really good, simple vehicles but you have to love them and treat them well! Looks like the owners of the vehicles that get fixed just dont care and drive it without bothering to do basis checks or have no mechanical sympathy towards their vehicle

[@gazzafloss]

Chris Greenwood. Thank you Mr Scotty Kilmer, but they aren't all that bad... Caviat emptor.

[@chrisgreenwood271]

@@gazzafloss I'm not generalising Land Rover as a whole, I'm referring to the current examples that have come through this shop. I'm well aware of Caveat Emptor, I own a 20 year old Range Rover 🙄

[@owensteele1274]

@@gazzafloss Rev up your 300 Tdi's. (Revs hard then massive burnout).

[@vincea1401]

Did you check the timing belt ? If the exhaust valve opens too late the engine over heat ?

[@yorkchris10]

I didn't know LR made throw-away diesels. Lessons from VW

[@BritannicaRestorations]

Poor maintenance and neglect

[@berndeikers8924]

poor rig, poor engine. cheap repairs, cheap spares, owner drove it overheated with just 2ltr oil, wonder how this continue. and still the overheating issue unsolved ... hope you get it in a good shape back on the road. but who the hell buys a car when they give you a headgasket ... like: just in case i have here the gasket for you. land rover onboard recoverytool. boy what a joke

[@gsylass]

That's an engine that's been well ragged or is very high mileage/hours. It's certainly well past its prime!

[@BritannicaRestorations]

Agreed - and to make it more interesting I am putting my rates up as I am sick of these clapped out imports

[@beathunziker171]

@@BritannicaRestorations Good on you !

[@COIcultist]

@@BritannicaRestorations I was befuddled that you even bothered to look at the clock for a mileage! Good on you if you can charge more. As problems go in life having too much work doesn't tend to be one of the worst ones.

[@warci]

you canadians are giving tdi's a bad name!!