.308 VS 7.08 VS 7.62 x 54R VS .357mag Penetration Test

7.08 VS .308 VS 7.62 x 54R VS .357 Penetration test
Munitions rechargées
7.08 & .308 ogive 150 grs
7.62 x 54R ogive 180 grs
.357 ogive 110 grs
Carabine TIKKA 7.08 RDS & .308 FDB
Fusil Mosin Nagant 7.62 x 54R
Carabine ROSSI levier sous garde .357 mag
Cible à 10 m de la bouche du canon
Target 10.93 Yards from the mouth of the barrel
10 sheets of 1 mm spaced 30 mm and 1 sheet of 5 mm shield
10 tôles d'acier de 1 mm espacées de 30 mm
1 dernière tôle d'acier de 5 mm en bouclier

[@gudrich]

7.62 x 54R самый старый боеприпас и показывает отличные результаты спустя 131 год !

[@АйдарАлиев-р9ъ]

7.62х54 R👍💪

[@His_Bdn]

Et encore c’est pas de la mun full acier de surplus dans un canon de 24 pouces comme le SVD (le mosin est plus court il me semble)

[@oddquad2010]

To be fair, the top of the plates should be held as firmly as the bottom plates. Flex equals bad science !!!

[@pamalo100]

Yes on the new testing the plates are maintained at the top thank you kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZoS6qHV-m9yFf8U kzbin.info/www/bejne/h5a0lICoo6mjgtk

[@fabulousoffroaddesigns5080]

Yes you can tell the top shots caused flex as the holes gradually rose towards the end. This means they we're piercing at a slight angle of deflection, effectively going through more metal.

[@darcon144]

Panel flex at top, more rigid at bottom... plus it seems that the barrel length for the revolver was less than for the pistols bullet weight in grains should also be consistent or close. No Way is a 9mm more effective than 357 magnum

[@csipawpaw7921]

Considering the 357 is a pistol round and the others are all full size rifle rounds, I would say the 357 did a very good job and is an outstanding choice for situations under 250 yards and lets face it, most hunting conditions fit that criteria.

[@iwasneverkilled3516]

Also considering that Rossi shoots 44 mag, it'd be even better

[@kimjongroid7945]

That 762x54r is no joke

[@billyjones3430]

True that sir

[@Trevis_Bikle]

Хорошо когда видео без болтовни. И так всё понятно.

[@dave-in-nj9393]

invalid test. the top of the plates were bending with shots, the lower plates were not. the correct test would be to make plates held in the top and bottom with similar brackets or better yet, get separate plates, a 4 sided holder and shot one bullet at a time.

[@simsim-kv8jm]

7,62*54💪💪💪💪💪

[@evgenykarpovich2979]

Длина ствола Мосина (7.62х54)и выпущенная пуля 308 win. Пробили равное колличество пластин!!!!! Я восхищён 308.

[@Виктор-ю7ж8з]

Можно было три тонких листа спереди поставить, а за ними лист толщиной в 3 см. Тогда бы ты тоже был восхищён всеми видами оружия и боеприпасов))) Тест ни о чём! Надо было ещё тонких с десяток добавить, вот тогда посмотрели бы на результат пробития!

[@travislivengood2744]

And that was with the softer loaded S&B 7.62x54. the surplus stuff was hotter. S&B is better than brown bear though. Brown bear is like throwing that bullet down range by hand.

[@davidlefranc6240]

the 7.62 .54r is clearly the most powerful of the bunch

[@dajiban9325]

@Blackmanonafence no that bulge the 7.62x54r left was bigger then the .308

[@TheBenjaminIV]

@@dajiban9325 the reason for that is because it's losing energy and denting the plate more, rather than punching through it. Look how much bigger the 357 bulge gets before it falls short.

[@billyjones3430]

The steel core ammunition famously belonging to the 7.62x54R is got a tight pattern but also out performs pretty much all of the remaining ammunition types that guy was using.

[@billyjones3430]

But although. He wasn't using the steel core he was using the fmj ammo but could have better out comes than the rest.

[@maxthomas498]

No Music is best background music.

[@sbentsen2714]

man that 7.62x54R is nasty, super powerful

[@billyjones3430]

Yes sir it surely is I have 2 of my own

[@ashes2ashes863]

Just so everyone knows, 7.62x54 is fairly close to the old american .30-06. That round has been around a long time in the United States. 308 Winchester essentially replaced 30-06 because they were so close in performance that I guess the Army deemed 30-06 irrelevant anymore. I know a ton of people that still hunt with old family heirloom .30-06s though, so I wouldn't call it irrelevant. Close, but not irrelevant. .30-06 is 7.62 x 63 mm. It's a very under-rated but still semi popular round.

[@holgerlarsen1864]

try this at 130 -200 yards and see the difference.........

[@williamster2015]

7.62x54r has a longer baring surface resulting in better stabilization . People will compare 70 year old 7.62x54r or cheap ammo against new production .308 and claim better results but they will not use 60 year old 7.62x51 against Norma or RWS 7.62x54r

[@gergokoviminjan2888]

Мося рулит

[@kentuckybluegrass8695]

357 is a damn cannon

[@monrudker8868]

7.62x54R left a deeper depression than the 308

[@Holret]

hum.. no.

[@williamster2015]

@@Holret um yes, load them both with a 215gr projectile and watch the .308 hit the dirt

[@bigsean2473]

@@williamster2015 load them bout with 150gr-175gr and see which is better

[@williamster2015]

@@bigsean2473 174gr 7.62x54R was used by 9 of the top 10 snipers with the most confirmed kills of all time....Yeah doesn't have to be compared on paper when it's taken course in history.

[@g9055]

I think the 7.62x54r performed the best. Looks at the size of that dent!

[@yanishosna3798]

No matter the size

[@slickraccoon420]

30 cal is Sick!!! Great test👍👍 the 357 mag in the rifle kicked ass too.

[@williamster2015]

There's only one .30 caliber cartridge there actually

[@Роман-э5р8з]

I have a carbine in the caliber of 7, 62x54. A killing machine, especially with an SP bullet and a mass of 203 grains. It's like a sledgehammer. I shot a boar about 200 kg this year, hit the shoulder blade, lay down on the spot without making a step, pulled a little with my back leg and lay still. the cartridge was developed taking into account that time, it had to reliably hit the horse, then there was a cavalry.

[@drjeff5812]

Many guides in Alaska use Mosins in case of brown and or polar bears. There is a reason.

[@Eliecer140]

El .308 es brutal incluso al final demostró pegar con mas fuerza.

[@Georgesevencostanza]

What is the name of the song at the end of the video?

[@pascalbreizh4070]

7.62 👍👍👍❤

[@wayne3340]

First ammo video with cool music.

[@mattrhoda5592]

Thanks for making a no nonsense video with no pointless talking or dumb footage

[@donaldduck4867]

Cool video. Thanks.

[@dave-in-nj9393]

were they domesticated steel plates or where they free range ?

[@LuizDahoraavida]

probably domesticated given they didn't fly off

[@jesusyeshuaelelyonelshadai6295]

Im amazed by 357 from that lever action

[@billyjones3430]

Fyi he wasn't using the original mosin nagant 7.62x54R ammo he was using the typical fmj. Mosin nagant would've had better results out of all 4, but it's whatever.

[@Роман-э5р8з]

Everything is right. If he had used an LPS bullet with a steel core, the penetration would have been much greater

[@billyjones3430]

I know all about the steel core 7.62x54R ammunition.

[@Роман-э5р8з]

@@billyjones3430 Not all of them, I'm afraid. There are several types of them, for the army there are some, for civilian cartridges completely different, different metal, tempering and mass

[@billyjones3430]

I have the grey or silver colored tipped steel core ammunition.

[@Роман-э5р8з]

@@billyjones3430 I can assure you that for this caliber there are about 40 military modifications of bullets with different fillings, as well as a separate category of civilian cartridges (for hunting and sports shooting), and this is only in Russia. ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/7,62_%C3%97_54_%D0%BC%D0%BC_R

[@Apachefog]

Until I realized the last plate was thicker, I was thinking, "wow, way to pick the perfect number of plates".

[@pamalo100]

quadriderkyle thank you very nice

[@TheBallistician]

Great test! Which one do you think preformed the best? Cant really tell much difference between the 7.08, 308 and 7.62x54r, looks like they all stopped at the same spot. Also what types of ammo were you using? I saw the projectiles in the beginning, but where they 150 grain or 180 etc, and where they hand loads? Thanks for the information.

[@pamalo100]

Bonjour et merci , pour le 7.08 & .308 ogive de 150 grs HPBT Match 1915 poudre N150 2,59 g, Pour le 7,62 x54R Sellier & Bellot .311 FMJ 180 grs STRELA N° 2909 poudre N150 2,85 g Hello and thanks for the 7.08 &.308 150 grs HPBT Match 1915 warhead powder N150 2.59 g, for the 7.62 x54R Sellier & Bellot.311 FMJ 180 grs STRELA No. 2909 powder N150 2.85 g

[@pamalo100]

Bonjour Christian Les tirs sont fait à 10 m de la bouche du canon , mais comme la distance est la même pour les 4 calibres , la comparaison reste bonne , même si l'on est pas en pleine puissance Merci Patrick

[@christianchevillot9030]

Oui tu as raison bien que les plus petits calibres ne s'expriment pas de la même manière!Mais vu les calibres présentés je pense que tu as tout a fait raison la comparaison reste bonne!!Bravo pour ce test!

[@DissociativeK]

Bonjour Patrick, Très bonne vidéo! Vous devriez essayer une ogive de 180gr pour la .308 et la 7.08 car la masse de l'ogive influence sur la penetration et je pense que si la 7,62x54R penetre autant c'est aussi du a son ogive plus lourde.

[@Arnor2207]

30mm is 3cm, i think u meant 3mm

[@pamalo100]

In fact the sheets are 1 mm thick and they are spaced 30 mm

[@jeffreylocke8808]

7mm-08 with a solid would win.

[@e.k.5107]

Incroyable cette vidéo. Superbement filmé et monté.

[@pamalo100]

Merci E.K. Très sympa

[@pamalo100]

Celle la devrait vous plaire aussi kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZoS6qHV-m9yFf8U

[@jeffreylocke8808]

7mm-08 impresses me the most.

[@tanguito0007]

TRÈS BONNE VIDÉO, J'AI AIMÉ VOIR LE 7.62X54R AVEC OGIVE DE 150GRS.

[@ЕвгенийМартюшов-п1к]

308 💪💪💪👍👍👍

[@TurboRanger351]

I think the top of the plates should have been supported, looked flimsy compared to the bottom 2 shots

[@pamalo100]

yes, on the following videos test 357 and 44 the sheets are fixed thank you

[@maikchimino]

За автомобилем точно не укрыться ))

[@sunnesonne]

22lr авто пробивает иногда, так что либо за мотор прятаться, либо педалить дальше

[@ЛучикЗелёный]

@@sunnesonne 22й авто?? Да ладно

[@sunnesonne]

@@ЛучикЗелёный если погуглить 22lr vs car, то можно увидеть что на изи пробивает, опять же, смотря куда попасть и по какой машине, но шанс есть; мы когда мягкую броню тестили, 22 прошивал дверь королы 2012 и попадал в пакет без вопросов

[@ЛучикЗелёный]

@@sunnesonne а пакет пробивало?

[@ЛучикЗелёный]

@@sunnesonne ничего себе вот уж неожиданно. Почему его тогда кличат слабым по останавливающему действию, раз он пробивной такой?

[@pilot3016]

I should be picking up a matchgrade Springfield M1A soon...real soon

[@caccomacaco]

.357 did pretty well considering that from the 4 calibers tested is the only one available for hand guns. Yes, i know that the length of the barrel on the lever action rifle play a difference but still. Great video. Thumbs up for you

[@pamalo100]

thanks Silvio

[@TXLorenzo]

Never underestimate the .357, especially out of a rifle, basically equivalent to a 30-30 out to a hundred yards.

[@fleauthym9029]

Mosin nagant c'est ultra puissant pour une arme de catégorie C

[@pamalo100]

Oui puissant et aussi très précis

[@l.b6662]

Excellent Video thank you

[@sergiogabrielgrillo2382]

Muy buen comparativo no dudaría para nada si tuviese que elegir un calibre sería el 308 versatilidad de puntas como ninguno inmejorable para todo cazador entre otras cosas.

[@kodiakbearguy1675]

Try 203 grain 7.62x54r ammo vs those other calibers. Great video 👍

[@felipecorrieri6714]

Goid vídeo

[@S58PSHIFTING]

Next time start with the thick plate up front, Mr thank God you're not my neighbor ;o)

[@timkeough4328]

very expressive for a .357 mag. great test.

[@mac.ouille]

Le 7x62 reste indémodable sur tout les plans performance prix et précision ...

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Very cool video

[@pamalo100]

thank you very much

[@bodyshopwiz]

I was a little scared at the end of the video, scary music ruined it for me

[@trisht5173]

308 win

[@giorgia602]

308 win is best !

[@eternalresolute8960]

So this means I'll live right????

[@kewintaylor7056]

Why use last thicker plate? Its better to have all same thickness to compare better....

[@noorshanto3038]

king : 308 !...

[@vincenzopellegrini3580]

BRAVO CUMBA 👍👍👍👍👍👍👌👌👌👌👌👌👌

[@КонстантинР-х7н]

Надо было ставить сперва толстый лист.

[@pamalo100]

Да я думаю, спасибо

[@sniper94warfighter1]

manque le 30 x 30 pour faire une grosse différence

[@krutik-wg3ui]

308 хорош

[@lechleuh63]

Joli test intéressant merci et très instructif bravo

[@racerx5379]

Excellent !!

[@drew55974]

Good vid very informative,can you turn down the music a pinch.

[@pamalo100]

thank you

[@Waterman-wv2jx]

Well done Sir! Thanks.

[@pamalo100]

thank you

[@josefabianfumerohernandez9798]

🙋‍♂️... Gracias x el video.. Muy explícito 👍

[@jacobstaten2366]

I was too distracted trying to figure out what the guy in the music was saying.

[@aribautgregory]

certain compare le mosin au 308 je le trouve bien plus violent pour le 708 et 308 y a pas à dire c'est amusant Après 300 mètres

[@КостяНикитин-ъ9к]

7,62/54 бахни усиленным посмотрим что будет 🤔

[@jacksonhenrique5615]

Video top de mais 👍✌💯👏👏👏

[@pamalo100]

Jackson Henrique merci

[@новичок2016]

В итоге - что лучше?

[@pamalo100]

новичок 2016 7.08, .308 или 7.62 дают тот же результат

[@новичок2016]

может действительно надо было сначала толстую пластину. У меня калибр и тот и этот. Я думал что 54 помощнее.

[@СерыйВолк-з6я]

TIKKA 308

[@khatuntsovmikhail6223]

Лучше в чем? В контроле отдачи, удобстве и современности картриджа? 308 сопоставима или слегка уступает 7.62 по энергии. Моя мосинка за 200-300 баксов произведенная в 43 году и омытая кровью фашистов и доказвыша на деле свою надежность и не прихотливость будет также эфективно делать дырки как и суперкрутая тикка за 1000 слишнем баксов. Да тикка в пластике легче, несомненно точнее, 308 более современнен и отсутвие ранта в данном случае плюс и 308 как охотничий боеприпас распространнен по миру больше чем 7.62. Но у вас бабок на неё хватит? Дай бог чтобы было да. Я таки совремнем прикуплю себе болт в 308. И возможно тикку. Помните, что 7.62x54р делался как боеприпас военного назначения, а не как охотничий патрон. Также стоит помнить, что 308 (гражданский патрон) и 7.62х51 НАТО это два разных патрона, с разными допусками по давлению. Сечас в охотсреде присутвует тенденция прехода в большие калибрам: 300 вин маг и пр. ИМХО в тесте забыли указать: * марку стали * массу пули (коли она была извлечена) * навесту пороха (пуля таки же извлечена) + выкиньте из теста недоразумение росси и добавьте старину маузера Вообще уже давно существует таблицы и цифры зачастую подтверждаются на практике если - что-то где то "не бьётся" значит какие-то факторы отличаются. Против физики не попрёшь.

[@seyfer-junior]

Исчерпывающий ролик

[@codghostshs3967]

bonjour bonne vidéo est ce qje c était des mun blindé?et que penser vous de la marque s&b en précision?les tir était réaliser à quel distance?

[@aribautgregory]

sympa tres bon test

[@randlerichardson5826]

I’d like to have a 357 or 44 magnum lever action rifle probably leaning more towards the 44mag

[@fredrutledge3628]

I have a Marlin .357. It is fun and gets the most out of the cartridge.

[@josenirinocenti4670]

.357magnum ñ é fraco ñ!

[@Muddybagclean]

Jesus Loves You

[@saleemsuliman3062]

Jesus is with 7.62

[@zyzz5230]

Lord jesus not god jesus..!!

[@glamarque1746]

@@zyzz5230 it's the same thing

[@zyzz5230]

@@glamarque1746 no no no.. GOD is ALLAH... God is nothing but ALLAH..

[@glamarque1746]

@@zyzz5230 heheheh shut up

[@hvyduty1220]

like this video ...................!

[@Fal41]

308w what else

[@dickblackbeard5752]

Amazing

[@ravissary79]

great test

[@aribautgregory]

as tu eu le temps pour note mon mail la derniere fois pour t'envoyer des.photos

[@pamalo100]

Oui, mais très occupé en ce moment je te ferais suivre un mail

[@walterpastor2496]

Excellent video, but the grains should be the same in all calibers. Thank you.

[@pamalo100]

Walter Pastor merci Les grains sont mentionnés dans les caractéristiques de la vidéo

[@pamalo100]

7.08 VS .308 VS 7.62 x 54R VS .357 Penetration test Munitions rechargées 7.08 & .308 ogive 150 grs 7.62 x 54R ogive 180 grs .357 ogive 110 grs Carabine TIKKA 7.08 RDS & .308 FDB Fusil Mosin Nagant 7.62 x 54R Carabine ROSSI levier sous garde .357 mag Cible à 10 m de la bouche du canon Target 10.93 Yards from the mouth of the barrel 10 sheets of 1 mm spaced 30 mm and 1 sheet of 5 mm shield 10 tôles d'acier de 1 mm espacées de 30 mm 1 dernière tôle d'acier de 5 mm en bouclier

[@nadaanilom3995]

well guess im not getting a 357 lol

[@Michael-uf1hz]

It's a pistol cartridge of course it's not going to penetrate as much as the rifles, is main purpose is stopping power, or discharging all its power into the target. It always depends what your goal is, are you trying to stop an intruder just ft away for hunt an elk hundreds of yards. You need the right tool for the right job.

[@tonyneises5195]

Shit man, I wouldn't want to get hit by any of those... Damn. I think the worst would be getting hit by that 357, that was a hell of a big hole and a person would bleed out sooner. The penetration by the other three was impressive, either way, you get hit by one of those 4 you are in a serious world of hurt. I would go with the 357 for knock out power, chances are the other rounds would just pass through ya.

[@stanpotter7764]

Real rifle cartridges are MUCH deadlier. Yes the 357 sort of approaches rifle cartridge ballistics, but still doesn't have the velocity. Around 2600 fps, things change dramatically.

[@bradmakesgains8779]

That was some gnarly music

[@christianchevillot9030]

Effectivement je n'avais pas fait attention au fait de la munition rechargée!!Donc le 7,62X54R en munition de surplus se serais encore plus démarqué!

[@pamalo100]

Je pense que les trois munitions se valent, mais il faut que je refasse un test avec des données différentes ,c'est en court, et j'espère pouvoir faire un tiercé dans l'ordre des puissances avec ce nouveau test plus afiné Pour le moment la seule qui ai vraiment parlé c'est le 357 magnum, bloqué en tôle huit , par contre le 7.08 lui, à le plus fort tôt de pénétration avant le 308 et le 7.62 la Vitesse était de 820 m/s pour le 7.08 à 2 m Par contre le rechargement en poudre des munitions est en limite haute des tables Vita, plus puissante que les munitions manufacturés standard et surplus

[@christianchevillot9030]

Oui mais j'ai un petit doute sur la blindée de surplus en 7,62 car vu l'état des gongs a 50 mètres(acier 3cms épaisseur et complètement fissurés dès le premier impact)je suis un peut sur la tangente!A savoir que la munition viens de stocks Chinois!Mais bon les scores sont tout de même bien serrés!!Bravo Patrick pour ce test et cette très bonne vidéo!!

[@aribautgregory]

Christian Chevillot en tôle balistique fissure a 100m

[@christianchevillot9030]

Eh ben ça tape dur!!

[@МаксимБаев-г5ь]

7.08 ??? Что это ???

[@pamalo100]

Bonsoir, le 7.08 est identique au .308 ,mais avec une balistique plus précise pour un tir longue distance 800 m

[@djam4448]

Sautereau .Patrick salut le gars est russe du coup ta de la chance je suis bilingue je vais lui traduire: 7.08 ето как .308 но у него есть больше точный на 800 метров Ахмат сила

[@МаксимБаев-г5ь]

@@djam4448 патрон как называется? Это ремингтон?

[@ЛучикЗелёный]

7-08 Ремингтон, собрат 7 мм Ремингтона магнума

[@twebster1948]

What weight are the bullets

[@pamalo100]

Hi, I just added the weight of the warheads, thank you for your question

[@ronerone3215]

excellent comparatif instructif

[@pamalo100]

Merci

[@alexralston22]

what is it aluminum???

[@pamalo100]

No steel

[@MsSebalonso]

Qué tipo de acero es ? Gracias

[@pamalo100]

Hola, acero de construcción XC48

[@frankmorris6007]

7,62 54 is the Russian variant of 30 06. The same speed , case capacity and power.

[@pamalo100]

Thanks for the news

[@225degrees]

Frank Morris- Not even close to the same dimensions. 30-06 measured metrically is 7.62 x 63mm, a full 10mm longer case than the 7.62x54R cartridge. The .308 win(7.62x51mm) cartridge is more closely related to the 7.62x54R. As a side note 30-06 offers almost nothing over .308win but more recoil and longer actions.

[@Slow13C6GS]

225degrees ^bullshit, 165 grain underwood .308 2840 fps 2955 ft lbs of energy, 165 grain Underwood 30-06 2960 fps 3211 ft lbs of energy, 256 ft lbs and 120 fps isn’t pretty much nothing buddy

[@rickybristersmusic3658]

225degrees that depends on what grain bullet you are shooting. If using the same grain up to about 165 the 30-06 still beats it by 150-200 FPS. If you are using anything heavier it’s even more so. So the 30-06 is definitely more gun. And if you hand load it really outshines it.

[@billyjones3430]

30.06 god's caliber

[@aribautgregory]

pour le 308 le silencieux est un hausen marche bien le tiens c quel model

[@pamalo100]

Pour le 308 c'est un frein de bouche, est sur la 7.08 c'est un RDS acier de chez Arméca

[@aribautgregory]

super choix d'après beaucoup de gens il est efficace mais je le connais uniquement en 22lr. bonne soirée ami tireur

[@juniortatar]

Super essai, très clair.

[@pamalo100]

Merci Junior

[@AbcXyz-rn2lz]

0:30 02:04

[@durandil]

Une 7.7mm british aurait été pas mal plutôt que la 357 magnum.

[@pamalo100]

Bonjour je ne connais pas le 7.7 mm British , il se chambre dans quelle type d’arme ?

[@durandil]

@@pamalo100 J"aurais dû utiliser la mesure anglaise : c'est le .303 que les anglais utilisaient dans les fusils Lee-Enfield. Vu que c'est une balle de calibre .30, ça aurait été bien de comparer avec le 7.62 OTAN, le 7.62x54R et le 7-08

[@phouayang2424]

308 is the winner

[@mkozzokm]

.308 WINS!!!!!!

[@danieljardin2600]

non il est dernier

[@Sir-Hash-A-Lot]

Lol it was a 3 way tie fool