31 - Singular Learning Theory with Daniel Murfet

What's going on with deep learning? What sorts of models get learned, and what are the learning dynamics? Singular learning theory is a theory of Bayesian statistics broad enough in scope to encompass deep neural networks that may help answer these questions. In this episode, I speak with Daniel Murfet about this research program and what it tells us.
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Topics we discuss, and timestamps:
0:00:26 - What is singular learning theory?
0:16:00 - Phase transitions
0:35:12 - Estimating the local learning coefficient
0:44:37 - Singular learning theory and generalization
1:00:39 - Singular learning theory vs other deep learning theory
1:17:06 - How singular learning theory hit AI alignment
1:33:12 - Payoffs of singular learning theory for AI alignment
1:59:36 - Does singular learning theory advance AI capabilities?
2:13:02 - Open problems in singular learning theory for AI alignment
2:20:53 - What is the singular fluctuation?
2:25:33 - How geometry relates to information
2:30:13 - Following Daniel Murfet's work
The transcript: axrp.net/episode/2024/05/07/e...
Daniel Murfet's twitter/X account: / danielmurfet
Developmental interpretability website: devinterp.com
Developmental interpretability KZbin channel: / @devinterp
Main research discussed in this episode:
- Developmental Landscape of In-Context Learning: arxiv.org/abs/2402.02364
- Estimating the Local Learning Coefficient at Scale: arxiv.org/abs/2402.03698
- Simple versus Short: Higher-order degeneracy and error-correction: www.lesswrong.com/posts/nWRj6...
Other links:
- Algebraic Geometry and Statistical Learning Theory (the grey book): www.cambridge.org/core/books/...
- Mathematical Theory of Bayesian Statistics (the green book): www.routledge.com/Mathematica...
- In-context learning and induction heads: transformer-circuits.pub/2022...
- Saddle-to-Saddle Dynamics in Deep Linear Networks: Small Initialization Training, Symmetry, and Sparsity: arxiv.org/abs/2106.15933
- A mathematical theory of semantic development in deep neural networks: www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/...
- Consideration on the Learning Efficiency Of Multiple-Layered Neural Networks with Linear Units: papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c...
- Neural Tangent Kernel: Convergence and Generalization in Neural Networks: arxiv.org/abs/1806.07572
- The Interpolating Information Criterion for Overparameterized Models: arxiv.org/abs/2307.07785
- Feature Learning in Infinite-Width Neural Networks: arxiv.org/abs/2011.14522
- A central AI alignment problem: capabilities generalization, and the sharp left turn: www.lesswrong.com/posts/GNhMP...
- Quantifying degeneracy in singular models via the learning coefficient: arxiv.org/abs/2308.12108

[@dizietz]

This one was pretty technical for those of us that haven't read some of the foundational work for SLT. I had to stop and look up some specific details later, and still don't feel like I fully grasp what makes SLT different than other predictions about degeneracy and simple functions preference in terms of making predictions about nn behavior. David's framing of fundamental structures in the data being more important across any training runs makes a lot of sense, I still don't grok how this helps with alignment. I suppose understanding stability of structure moves us closer, but both on something similar to interoperability but also on capabilities.

[@nowithinkyouknowyourewrong8675]

10ins in and I still don't get why it's interesting? like it's a math stats tool that he is still making that will enable us to do other things