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w2aew

w2aew

4 жыл бұрын

This video presents the basic definition of a vector network analyzer (VNA), a practical view of how some of the measurements are performed, and an introduction to some of the common measurements that are made. A few examples VNAs are shown. Knowledge of transmission lines, reflections, VSWR, etc. is helpful, but not required for this video. Here are several additional video links that may be helpful:
Directional Coupler videos:
• #158: Directional Coup...
• #196: How a Directiona...
Transmission lines, reflections, and standing wave videos:
• #143: Transmission Lin...
• #208: Visualizing RF S...
Smith Chart videos:
• #297: Basics of the Sm...
• #275: Smith Chart: Z, ...
Notes from this video:
www.qsl.net/w2aew/youtube/what...

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@marcozbo
@marcozbo Жыл бұрын
Your videos are excellent. I have a PhD in Physics and I'm a radioamateur. You should be awarded some kind of prize, especially for not turning everything to monetization and for the extreme clarity of your notes and explanations. Also, watching your videos makes one want to experiment, and I think this is the most important result you can get.
@billjones2271
@billjones2271 4 жыл бұрын
My wife of 33 years said if I buy a new Tek TTR506A VNA she is going to leave me. Boy, I’m going to miss her!
@rk81oman
@rk81oman 3 жыл бұрын
Collateral damage 🙃
@miketoreno4969
@miketoreno4969 3 жыл бұрын
Haha :)))))
@poetryinmotionsightsandsou9094
@poetryinmotionsightsandsou9094 3 жыл бұрын
You'll have to deal with lots of swr.
@fhbison
@fhbison 3 жыл бұрын
😂😂
@TheStoneWhisperer
@TheStoneWhisperer 2 жыл бұрын
@@poetryinmotionsightsandsou9094 Actually, I think you mean lots of "signal loss" LOL... giggle
@ernieschatz3783
@ernieschatz3783 7 ай бұрын
You break things down so well. This is the first time I've had S22 fully explained. Why can't people just say "reflection off of the output port?"
@deonmomberg3732
@deonmomberg3732 4 жыл бұрын
My wife is trying to find a w2aew rehab Centre for me. Your videos are addictive in brilliance and content. Excellently done..
@fhbison
@fhbison 3 жыл бұрын
😂
@RadioWhisperer
@RadioWhisperer 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for demystifying VNAs for me. I never knew what they really did as Google's explanation wasn't really helpful, as you pointed out. A great video as always. I know how much effort there is in turning out videos, the work you do is greatly appreciated!
@remontlive
@remontlive 4 жыл бұрын
I have no words about how seldom and useful videos like that about VNA! Thank you very much!!!
@chrisabad6666
@chrisabad6666 4 жыл бұрын
Your videos are extremely good Alan and I look forward to every one. I'm glad you are providing some introductory content on VNA's - I'm just starting to venture more into them...Perfect timing!
@rosshollinger8097
@rosshollinger8097 4 жыл бұрын
Watching your videos always tells me how much I have yet to learn. I always glean usable info even if I don't grasp all of the subject. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
@RotBaron
@RotBaron 4 жыл бұрын
Alan, I love your Videos. I have many RF courses and I always love to share your videos with my classmates and they are always thankful. Our stuff is so dry, mathematical and without examples but your videos help us so much. Please stay healthy and save!
@aco7992
@aco7992 2 ай бұрын
Best video that I have ever seen about the RF measurements. Thank you so much for your informative contents !!!
@P4nDA_pls
@P4nDA_pls Жыл бұрын
Citing this video in the lab manual I'm making. This channel is a gem.
@w2aew
@w2aew Жыл бұрын
Thank you - I hope your students find it useful.
@shieldcracker
@shieldcracker 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation, I was actually searching for vectorscopes and this came up, none the less this was time well spent.
@diggleboy
@diggleboy 4 жыл бұрын
Another great educational video on VNA's and how technology and embedded circuits have now put very accurate test and measurement equipment affordably put the into the hands of almost anyone.
@gkprivate433
@gkprivate433 3 жыл бұрын
well done sir, well done. I spent all of last year using signal generators, spectrum analyzers and Oscilloscopes running acceptance test procedures on electronic countermeasure systems. I did not have to use network analyzers but did look over the shoulder at the next test bench that was using one to troubleshoot some issues. Your video now helps me understand network analyzers enough to do my next assignment.
@laurenreid91
@laurenreid91 3 жыл бұрын
Great Summary! I spent hours reading Tektronics manuals vs a succinct 17 minutes of your video to get the same information. Appreciate this :D
@NodeEntry
@NodeEntry 4 жыл бұрын
Oh hell yeah! W2AEW talking about VNAs.
@jackjonson7509
@jackjonson7509 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. For making these videos for us! I still remember the first time I saw one and I was so happy to have some one to look to for help. You are a great friend to me.
@nomadr1349
@nomadr1349 4 жыл бұрын
Finally! Asked you for it some time ago (for I can understand your explanations best), and now it is here. Thank you sooo much!! You can't imagine how perfect the timing of this video is for me. Thank you, thank you, thank you!.
@shridharambady2069
@shridharambady2069 4 жыл бұрын
Wow you made this video just in time. I was about to buy a NanoVNA to start getting into RF and this is exactly what I needed. Love your videos, thank you so much!
@rbmwiv
@rbmwiv 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us. I am pretty new to radio only being at it for about 6 months. I just got one of these and your video and notes are an amazing resource.
@rwnelson51
@rwnelson51 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent tutorials with theory and applications on the bench! I admire your test equipment collection as it is very high grade -- Tektronix and others and notably your very clear layout of contents on graph paper which is indicative of good engineering practices and communication skills in total. We would all love to have 100K budgets for pro grade gear but it is useless without the knowledge and training to make use of such instrumentation and how lower cost but useful devices that are affordable compare to "pro grade" instruments that are now very available. Your presentations are "classroom'" grade, instructive and a real service to elevate our desire to expand our knowledge and engineering practices!!! Many thanks!!
@bfx8185
@bfx8185 4 жыл бұрын
As always excellent explanation. Even I know what VNA is and also using it frequently is really nice to see some clear explanation of the basics behind.
@PeopleAlreadyDidThis
@PeopleAlreadyDidThis 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for a VNA series. Got a bench full of aging Tek and HP equipment, never quite got my head around VNAs, but have been shopping a little; surplus lab VNAs are still awfully expensive in hobby terms. This will be most helpful!
@brucesmith9144
@brucesmith9144 4 жыл бұрын
Great to find your channel. Ironically, I was chatting with a colleague recently about network analyzers and, voilà, this video popped up. Nice presentation.
@Factory400
@Factory400 4 жыл бұрын
This is the only channel I watch at half speed to ensure I don't miss anything!
@chrisscott1547
@chrisscott1547 3 жыл бұрын
Very well done, as you typically do. It is so refreshing to see a fellow ham that is truly an RF pro - getting scarce these days. I notice that in Raleigh, NC there exists a "Smith chart amateur radio society" - a club whose members must be able to demonstrate competence with the chart! My kind of club. 73 de W4NEQ.
@OMNI_INFINITY
@OMNI_INFINITY 4 ай бұрын
Subscribed. I salute how wonderfully White this engineer and teacher is.
@grahambambrook313
@grahambambrook313 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, Alan - excellent as always. I bought a Nano VNA because I was having issues with the range of the anti-collision device in my sailplane. It allowed me to design my own antenna which has vastly improved the coverage, and given me greater time to respond to warnings. Without it, I would not have had a clue how bad the various proprietary antennae were at the frequency used, 868.3 MHz. It allowed me to get pretty close to the centre of the Smith Chart even without a matching network and it shows around -30dB reflection loss and an VSWR of less than 1.1. Can't think of anything else to use it for yet but I am a 'newbie' to the world of electronics and particularly RF.
@grahambambrook313
@grahambambrook313 4 жыл бұрын
@H Higgins Maybe at the end of the season I will do some more work on it but we have only just been allowed to start flying in the UK because of all this Covid nonsense. I just need to concentrate on the flying for now. The Nano seems to give A+jB info as well so I can maybe get things better. The matching seems incredibly sensitive to co-ax length! Furthest ground contact so far is about 2dB @ 94km and this from about 10mW output so I am pretty pleased with it.
@EngineeringVignettes
@EngineeringVignettes 4 жыл бұрын
Always invaluable info, looking forward to the next part in the VNA discussion... Cheers,
@andykunik217
@andykunik217 4 жыл бұрын
Very informative and timely. I just ordered a Nano VNA. Now waiting for more videos to show me how to use it!
@acestudioscouk-Ace-G0ACE
@acestudioscouk-Ace-G0ACE Жыл бұрын
I watched this a while back and benefited from it's teaching, so just wanted to say thank-you!
@PapasDino
@PapasDino 4 жыл бұрын
Know you're busy with work so thanks for taking the time to begin this VNA discussion. Stay safe! 73 - Dino KLØS
@eugenebrown9803
@eugenebrown9803 4 жыл бұрын
I've been waiting for you really dig into this series!! thanks for sharing your knowledge
@researchandbuild1751
@researchandbuild1751 4 жыл бұрын
I bought a NanoVNA and it is amazing. It has allowed me to accurately measure inductors that i have wound ( many were quite off supposeded calculated value) as well as tune antennas easily. It has been worth every penny for sure.
@michaelhawthorne8696
@michaelhawthorne8696 4 жыл бұрын
If you had a good osciloscope & frequency generator, you could work out your inductance with the use of a tank circuit and a known good capacitor/s... maybe cheaper than the nano.....especially if you already have this gear I mentioned.
@ziyuewu3715
@ziyuewu3715 4 жыл бұрын
Really, and the NanoVNA V2 extended the measuring range, it makes 2.4GHz antenna tunning easily.
@researchandbuild1751
@researchandbuild1751 4 жыл бұрын
@@ziyuewu3715 oh wow i may need to get a new version!
@researchandbuild1751
@researchandbuild1751 4 жыл бұрын
@@michaelhawthorne8696 i used to use that technique but my osxilloscope is an analog scope and it doesnt get bright enough to see the traces to see a tank circuit ring. Plus lots of calculator involved. Also it still requires the capacitor to be accurate with that method. The nanovna doesnt need the capacitor..and it already reads out in microhenries so its super easy to use. Also i found the inductors actually change in value over frequency ranges (what measures as 10microhenries at 5mhz may only be 6 microhenries at 10mhz) this was not expected. Thoery always states the inductance value is only based on turns, etc. But that shows the ring technique also will not be truly accurate unless you use a tank close to the frequency your circuit is going to be. If you are building a chebechev filter you have to be accurate or it wont work properly at all
@keithrainbow
@keithrainbow 4 жыл бұрын
Sadly the standard 2.8 inch NanoVNA screen is too small for my eyes to easily read the text :( But I have heard a rumor that a 4 inch screen S-A-A-V2 version may be in the pipeline. :)
@anthropomorphousdodecahedr6504
@anthropomorphousdodecahedr6504 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. And thanks for giving examples and your opinion on the existing VNAs on the market.
@deanandrewjeski2027
@deanandrewjeski2027 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video presentation on VNA's It's one of those must have tools for RF work and play. I'm really surprised how well the NANO VNA measurements are so closed to the expensive VNA's like the HP 8753 and Agilent FieldFox units. For home use such as Amateur radio it's hard to beat that low cost for this type of RF tool. Thanks again for the video and looking forward to more .
@JonathanKayne
@JonathanKayne 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that, looking forward to seeing your video on how to use a VNA! My school has some nice R&S ones but I wasn't too sure on how to use them.
@BobSolimeno
@BobSolimeno 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent introduction to how a VNA works! I purchased the NanoVNA last fall and really like all that can be done with this very inexpensive instrument for amateur radio. Thank you Alan!
@damny0utoobe
@damny0utoobe 4 жыл бұрын
You're always educating me. I needed an overview of the VNA
@stevefoudray487
@stevefoudray487 4 жыл бұрын
Everyone of your videos is clear, concise, and enjoyable. Automatic like. I love my RSA507A. Until I save up for a TTR503A, an external coupler is getting me by. My calibration set is built with help from your previous videos. They compare well enough to commercial sets. My use is greater than hobby but less than a research lab. Thanks for the excellent videos!
@w2aew
@w2aew 4 жыл бұрын
I wonder if you got the tracking generator and reflection measurement options. That turns this fine realtime spectrum and vector signal analyzer into a 2-port, 1-path scalar network analyzer.
@stevefoudray487
@stevefoudray487 4 жыл бұрын
w2aew Hi Alan, I do have the tracking gen. I don’t have the return loss option. I have considered it though, and still may get that. I use an external directional coupler with it, but don’t get the metrics provided by the option. I want to be able to do phase type measurements and use a smith chart. If the RSA can do that in the future, That would be awesome. At the moment the Rig Expert AA-1400 helps me with antennas. For now it’s filling up the penny jar for a TTR.
@w2aew
@w2aew 4 жыл бұрын
@@stevefoudray487 You can enable a 30 day trial license for the Reflection measurements, so you can try before you buy. Currently does not do phase (thus, no Smith charts), just scalar return loss, VSWR, distance to fault and cable loss.
@ruhnet
@ruhnet 4 жыл бұрын
Great overview! Looking forward to the followup video(s) with comparisons. 73s
@Arnold7221
@Arnold7221 4 жыл бұрын
Wow great info that has been needed for years. Thanks. Keep em coming,
@jspencerg
@jspencerg Жыл бұрын
Best practical introduction to vna! Great demonstration. I've not understood need for two-port measurements for most all situations. Our "nano" versions do very well.
@cwbh10
@cwbh10 4 жыл бұрын
I just had a phone interview (2020 ECE grad) about the difference between a SA and a VNA the other day and your videos, along with some credit to the signal path, allowed me to answer him with confidence! Thanks so much for your videos, they're amazing
@w2aew
@w2aew 4 жыл бұрын
Good luck with the job!
@cwbh10
@cwbh10 4 жыл бұрын
@@w2aew thanks so much! :)
@thee_onderwyser
@thee_onderwyser 6 ай бұрын
I love your explanation i didnt know how to use ut and when to, but explaining how it works now also allows me to fully understand and appreciate this awesome piece of machinery
@amciaapple1654
@amciaapple1654 4 жыл бұрын
Finally a series about VNAs ! Maybe I will finally understand what is lost in the "Return Loss"
@abdulhaquemohammed6478
@abdulhaquemohammed6478 2 жыл бұрын
Very informative video and very well explained. I highly appreciate your work. Thank you!
@seamasclerkin5301
@seamasclerkin5301 4 жыл бұрын
Great video, informative as always, looking forward to the future VNA vids!!
@nicks22
@nicks22 4 жыл бұрын
Your videos are very useful and detailed, keep up the good work!
@brothertyler
@brothertyler 4 жыл бұрын
Alan thanks for another great video. I have been used to the old scope and sig gen trick for doing time domain reflectometery. But nice to know a nano vna can do that too!
@OxTongue0
@OxTongue0 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the excellent presentation and explaining the basics
@douglasvinicius5020
@douglasvinicius5020 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing lesson! I cannot wait for the next :D
4 жыл бұрын
Great video, as always! I'll receive my nanoVNA in a few days, so I'm looking forward to learning how to use it and make measurements.
@marknahabedian1803
@marknahabedian1803 3 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of being an undergraduate and trying to use a Time Domain Reflectometer to diagnose a local area network problem. MIT Chaos Net ran over 1/2" UHF cable (sorry. I don't know any details, though I might recall correctly that it was 50 ohm). The TDR would apply an impulse on the cable and then plot the voltage over time. Any place where there was a bump in the plot indicated a problem on the line and you could calculate how far from your test point the problem was based on the time lag of the reflection. After one of two times doing this we eventually learned that the problem was always in the Building 38 basement phone closet. This network cable was stuff and fragile and had a minimum allowed bending diameter of about four feet. The cable needed to make a large turn there and whenever a workman leaned a ladder against it it would kink the cable. I think we had to fix that once, but I don't recall how.
@williamrmeara2162
@williamrmeara2162 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Alan. My NanoVNA (a Fathers'Day gift) arrives today, so your video was very timely. TRGHS. 73 Bill N2CQR
@w2aew
@w2aew 4 жыл бұрын
Cool - good luck with it Bill. Let me know if you have any questions!
4 жыл бұрын
Another item in the wishlist / cart. Thank you for the in-depth introduction.
@hazer2351
@hazer2351 3 жыл бұрын
Very good explanation. Clear and understandable. You are good instructor. Thanks..
@Radiowild
@Radiowild 4 жыл бұрын
I'm Considering buying one of these. You helped to bring me up to speed with your explanation! 73's de KC2RDU
@BGLENN-dp4tx
@BGLENN-dp4tx 4 жыл бұрын
As I have said many time, these videos are brilliant. Thank you very, very much. 'Magenta' is the color name I believe you have there. At least that's the name we use in the cockpit to refer to our navigation "magenta" line.
@TheMorpheus017
@TheMorpheus017 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, looking forward to the next videos!
@salehalsaee934
@salehalsaee934 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much, sir ... very informative and simple to understand
@kirkpennock2997
@kirkpennock2997 4 жыл бұрын
You make it easy to understand, thank you.
@SKARTHIKSELVAN
@SKARTHIKSELVAN 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting efforts in making these videos.
@zahedalsawadi7084
@zahedalsawadi7084 4 жыл бұрын
Very informative, as usual. Thanks.
@MichaelLloyd
@MichaelLloyd 4 жыл бұрын
Perfect timing. I'm looking forward to the coming videos 73 NE5U
@nikaldo7819
@nikaldo7819 4 жыл бұрын
very nice...cant wait for next videos for how to with VNAs
@mandigit
@mandigit 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Very informative. I like to hear your topics.
@hebrewhammer1000
@hebrewhammer1000 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. I can't wait for more content on the NanoVNA.
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much by very instructive video. RF is a fascinating science. I have learned many new things with your video. Although English is difficult to me, I will try attend your others videos.
@thomasw6169
@thomasw6169 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks God your healthy. Another excellent video.
@dave_dennis
@dave_dennis 4 жыл бұрын
This little VNA gives me a wealth of information about my antenna. I'd LOVE to see a video on how to interpret the data, and make use of that interpretation to know what I need to change about my antenna to optimise it.
@w2aew
@w2aew 4 жыл бұрын
The VNA can help you to measure your antenna's impedance match to the transmission line which helps you to get maximum power transfer (minimum SWR, S11 reflection coefficient). See video #314. But, it can't help you make it a more efficient radiator.
@Zion.DCunha
@Zion.DCunha 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! Keep up the quality content
@eddyane67
@eddyane67 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for your explanation. As always, it was very good and instructive Regards
@pepesworld2995
@pepesworld2995 4 жыл бұрын
oh my god this looks so amazing but i havent got the time yet to watch. fffffffffffffffffuuu. onto my watch-later list. you're a champ, w2aew.
@yanickch
@yanickch 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Damn, I like your videos. Always Very well detailed and explained.
@newmonengineering
@newmonengineering 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all your videos you are an awesome teacher. I have a question, if my oscilloscope is limited to say 200 MHZ is there a way to measure 2.4ghz with something like a signal injection with a set divider and how well would that work out?
@sm7udb
@sm7udb 4 жыл бұрын
Very good video, as always😊. Can’t almost not wait until the next one. Take care and keep up the good work! 73/Mikael
@kamurashev
@kamurashev 4 ай бұрын
Great videos, thank you!
@goofypettiger
@goofypettiger 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Well done!
@scottpastor1
@scottpastor1 2 жыл бұрын
You explain this very clearly!
@roliveira2225
@roliveira2225 10 ай бұрын
Excellent! Congratulations!
@OleF112
@OleF112 4 жыл бұрын
Well done, thank you for this vid.
@azav8raa
@azav8raa 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks again, Alan. I learn something new each visit to your channel. Can't wait to see how the Nano VNA stacks up to the Professional VNA. 73, de KB7ZUT
@richardphillips2405
@richardphillips2405 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. I would like to know more about the S parameters. Thank you.
@ElectronicsCircuitHubECH
@ElectronicsCircuitHubECH 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome Content
@nickpenacl_
@nickpenacl_ Жыл бұрын
This was just terrific
@eighty_8
@eighty_8 Жыл бұрын
Great video, thank you!
@kkusumakumari
@kkusumakumari 4 жыл бұрын
Very nice explained 👍
@bobvincent5921
@bobvincent5921 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks. So far so good and I have some catching up to do.
@funkyironman69
@funkyironman69 4 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks
@voitano73
@voitano73 4 жыл бұрын
Another interesting cartoon, thanks again :) Zdravím z České republiky
@FlyingShotsman
@FlyingShotsman 4 жыл бұрын
Cheers, Alan. This is a very useful video. When you do the future videos, could you demonstrate making some basic measurements like insertion loss and VSWR on the NanoVNA? I have one of them but I just can't seem to make sense of it, wither using it directly or through the PC software. Some pointers would be most helpful. Thanks!
@richardravich8337
@richardravich8337 4 жыл бұрын
Congrats on your mention in this month's QST. Best 73's de WD6FIE
@w2aew
@w2aew 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I haven't gotten my copy yet!
@FF7824
@FF7824 4 жыл бұрын
Very informative. Thanks.
@baccusthedrunken
@baccusthedrunken 2 жыл бұрын
Scope probe is the coolest way to point during presentation
@therfnoob7697
@therfnoob7697 4 жыл бұрын
superb, as usual!
@ElectronicsCircuitHubECH
@ElectronicsCircuitHubECH 4 жыл бұрын
I really liked it
@johahnll7388
@johahnll7388 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice video. I enjoyed it a lot. For the first time I really understand what a VNA is! I am trying to build this setup with my own stuff, but i have not found a good splitter. Which one did you use?
@w2aew
@w2aew 3 жыл бұрын
Any decent quality resistive power combiner/splitter, such as www.minicircuits.com/pdfs/ZFRSC-42+.pdf would work fine.
@kosalajayarathne7531
@kosalajayarathne7531 Жыл бұрын
Very informative 👍
@kd9kck376
@kd9kck376 4 жыл бұрын
I love my NanoVNA only cost me $36 ish off wish from someone around New York. (It works so I can't complain.) I have used it to tune up my 40m dipole I use with my SDR and also found that my dual band vertical on my house might work for some parts of the 900Mhz band.
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