Unboxing Chinese "Surplus" 7.62x51mm Ammo

[@sambaumberger6879]

My buddy purchased one of these a few years ago and found a cigarette butt inside, we got a good chuckle outta that.

[@314299]

Apparently there is no time for a smoke break if you work in a Chinese ammo plant, smoke while you work and stuff the butts in with the ammo.

[@darylbauer5184]

I have 3k rounds I bought at a gun show 1996 for $89 a thousand late one sunday before the show closed "dealer didn't want to lug it back to his truck " . Someday I'll get around to testing some of it out , or things being what they are in this country today I might get to test it sooner than I want to . Great video !!!

[@314299]

Great investment on your part. I hope you never "need" to use it...

[@shadowcastre]

Surplus ammo definitely makes for some affordable shooting. It is possible and is a simple process to convert steel surplus cases from Berdan to boxer primer. You can then get from 1 to 3 loadings from them by annealing. The conversion actually works quite well. Thanks for the video...

[@314299]

I have lots of brass case boxer primed cases in 7.62x51 for reloading so I can't see myself doing such a conversion unless just for fun. I have reloaded steel case 7.62x39, 7.62x54R and 7.62x51using Berdan primers, it works fine if you have the correct size and strength of primer, but as there is no shortage of brass in those calibers I generally stick to that.

[@shadowcastre]

@@314299 I agree... as long as there's no shortage of brass cases why bother. However.... It is good to know that the conversion can be done easily if there ever is a shortage! :-)

[@norpino7704]

I wish we got all this Chinese stuff in the states now days

[@314299]

There is not much of it up here anymore at the moment, I think the Chinese have cut back on exporting ammo and guns.

[@Jason_556]

@@314299are you in Canada?

[@nrainfidelforlife]

I've always liked the copper wash look. It feels silky to the touch.

[@314299]

It seems superior to me to the laquer coated stuff, does not leave crap behind in the chamber like the lacquer does.

[@humansvd3269]

this stuff shoots great in NDM86 .308.

[@SidneyBroadshead]

01:24 Crate: Item: 7.62x51MM (7.62mm NATO) Quantity: 1000 rounds (2 Spam Cans, 500 rounds each) Dimensions: 47cm x 34cm x 15cm Volume: 0.02397 m3 (0.846 cu. ft.) Gross Weight: 29 kg. (63.93 lbs.) 00:47 Spam Can markings *7.62x51mm / BALL* (7.62mm NATO FMJ) *20-96-71* (Lot 20, Year: 1996, Factory 71) *500 ROUNDS* (4 x 125-round paper packets)

[@314299]

Thanks.

[@regsparkes6507]

Always interesting to see these cans being opened,...not much fun though when that steel strip peels off sideways rendering that key pretty well useless. I learned all about that a couple of times while opening 7.62x39 ammo. for my good o;l'SKS-45.

[@314299]

This one cooperated pretty well. I think the worst sealed cans I have ever opened were Czech 7.62x39 with the soldered on top with the "pull straps", those were a royal pain to open.

[@regsparkes6507]

@@314299 I can well imagine that frustration!

[@ragnarragnarsson3128]

A-1 sarcasm there sir👏...nice

[@314299]

There is so much opportunity for sarcasm these days it's hard to keep it all in.

[@ScreamingReelsTV]

Beat me to the punch with the hiss joke. Ive seen a few cans of this stuff around here and there. Used to be sold with Norinco M14s. I think your estimate of wildly varying velocities and pressures is likely correct. This wasn't commercial ammo, it was meant to be dropped off in some war zone.

[@314299]

The last "C J 96" stuff I cronographed was doing 2791 fps and pressure was fine, no issues. But there was some "C J 95" around that was way over pressure, the bolt was sticky to open and velocity was averaging 2895 with a high velocity of 2940 fps. It was dangerous to shoot, I even had a case split. My buddy has been shooting ammo from the other can out of this crate and he has had no problems.

[@DeweiJiang]

@@314299 What is the standard deviation like for CJ 96? Do you think it can achieve 1-2 moa in a CZ600?

[@donwyoming1936]

Aww memories. I used to blow through a tin every other weekend. Even functioned in my M1A Super Match rifles that were notoriously finicky.

[@314299]

This particular lot was really good stuff, it shot 100% and was far more accurate than expected.

[@Rick_Steel]

I've fallen into a "surplus ammo unboxing videos" holes and I think this is the first one where the can opener actually worked.

[@314299]

Yeah the openers dont have a great track record, at least on video. They probably worked better for armies where the users had more practice with them.

[@Rick_Steel]

@@314299 I figured army guys would just run over the tin with their tanks to open it 😆

[@robdegraw1568]

Thought that was great mentioning Steve 1989

[@314299]

Steve is a point of reference for any opening of old packaged stuff.

[@DMX-PAT]

That wood crate alone is worth the price of the ammo!

[@314299]

Expensive crate.

[@starbuckroad]

I'm still waiting for a Ranger Gord impression.

[@314299]

I only do that one while I'm at work.

[@KRN762]

I'd love to know what it chronographs at.

[@314299]

Another lot of "C J 96" head stamped ammo did an average of 2791 fps out of an Israeli Kar98k rifle. I will get around to trying some of this lot over a chronograph sometime.

[@azshooter348]

Forget that silly key, it's for amateurs. Spam can ammo opens easier by just using an angle grinder to grind down the folded seam on the can lid. The lid can be lifted off, and then put back into place afterward for further ammo storage.

[@314299]

I'm not that desperate for a storage container that does not positively close back up to go to such lengths. My buddy is packing all this stuff in US type 30 or 50 cal ammo cans when I give it back to him.

[@azshooter348]

Of course you're not desperate, but my comments were intended for mere mortals watching this video. It may be information of use to THEM. Just sayin' for a friend.

[@flyingninja1234]

I'm fairly certain that the standard service round in China, is a 5.8mm round.

[@314299]

Yes the 5.8 is the newest Chinese front line round, but there are a lot of older weapons still around for the 7.62x39, I suspect that there are many times more 7.62 weapons in their stockpile than there are the newer 5.8's.

[@SidneyBroadshead]

This is export ammo for customers armed with 7.62x51mm NATO weapons.

[@hailsland]

Disappointed it wasn't sat onto a tray.

[@314299]

Need a big tray. And then someone would expect me to eat some of it ....

[@pens8766]

@@314299 that is definitely not healthy to eat.

[@biggrig6816]

Got some 1970 Chinese serplus 762.39 . Have shot 100ish rounds and all great so far ! Got 1100 rounds for 560$ Cad after taxes

[@314299]

I've not yet had any bad Chinese 7.62x39, even the old stuff is still reliable. It's too bad the price of the stuff has gone up so much.

[@SidneyBroadshead]

8:10 Headstamp 10 o'clock: C 2 o'clock: J 6 o'clock: 96 (year: 1996) Manufacturer: NORINCO Exporter (PRC): _China Jing'an Import & Export_ (Beijing, Dongcheng Province, China).

[@314299]

I think "China Sports" was just the marketing entity for many manufactures of Chinese ammo sold to foreign markets.

[@SidneyBroadshead]

@@314299 Several numbered arsenals manufactured the civilian ammo (usually remaindered lots of components and powder). China Sports was the commercial entity but _China Jing'an_ owned and operated it. (It just imports and sells sporting goods in the US nowadays.) NORINCO is the corporation that controls _China Jing'an_ .

[@General.Longstreet]

The Chinese might regret selling all this ammo if the shtf and we end up at war with them

[@314299]

Oh, I think they have a few billion rounds set aside for such occasions.

[@bennyjetsaroundtheworld9047]

And I dont think theyl be shooting rounds made in 96 if it goes down like that

[@johanh2496]

Did you ever do a followup on this video? Im curious about this ammo and what it was like

[@314299]

I did a video shooting some of it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXnMmHmdhLdoatE

[@johanh2496]

@@314299 thank you! Have you been shooting any 22lr lately?

[@314299]

@@johanh2496 A little bit here and there, but I have not been doing vids on it.

[@jimmaxwell1094]

No hiss, nice.

[@314299]

I was expecting a hiss, disappointing really.

[@levinlevinallday]

Funny I ran across this video. yesterday I was going through my ammo cans and found some chinese made 7.62x51 that was RG counterfeit ammo. looks just like yours how it's made. I've been hesitating to try it out. dont know if it's good or bad. I may run some through my saiga 308.

[@314299]

The stuff in the video has been surprisingly accurate (for what it is) and 100% reliable and also non-corrosive. If you have some of the fake RG ammo made by the Chinese it is almost certainly corrosive, and performance may not be the best from what I have heard. If I were you I would pull apart some rounds and measure the quantity of powder, if the charge weights are on the small side (40 grains or less) I would get nervous about shooting it. I would also recommend that you shoot some over a chronograph to see if it's at a normal speed. The Chinese can make good ammo, but they can make garbage as well. Best of luck.

[@2005NewBalanceSneaker]

@ Or just spray some windex down the barrel when you're done shooting

[@2005NewBalanceSneaker]

@ That's unfortunate what has happened to you up in Canada. I have a SA58 FAL that's new so I don't mind getting her a bit dirty.

[@timothytietz9194]

All the RG I shot was corrosive. All the 2 digit ammo(factory 61 in the 90's dates) was no corrosive. Fake RG was packed like this, my 61-90 was in boxes. CJ is China Jin-An, a "commercial" entity. I shot it out of a wreck of a 1912 chilean rebarrel and it shot ok, both varieties, tho I had two blown primers in the 61 stuff. And I think all 150 ish grain steel jacket-lead core.

[@werunguns]

Man that’s cool!

[@314299]

Yeah, it was nice of my buddy to let me open one can up for the video.

[@sevany6581]

That's amazing if we can get China made Nato ammo, that gonna be a biiiig relief for US ammo market. :)

[@314299]

Yeah....

[@norpino7704]

Sadly all Chinese firearms and ammunition except some shotguns are band from importation since the 90’s

[@louregietalboresvillaruz9281]

Like Canned Hereford Brazilian Corned beef

[@314299]

I doubt it tastes the same as Hereford Corned beef.

[@louregietalboresvillaruz9281]

That's Right

[@stonerman15]

Do u have any extra 7.62-39?

[@314299]

Yep, one round.

[@АндрейЦиников]

Why you didn`t check with a magnet? It is not difficult and would be clear steel or not.

[@314299]

I've done that previously to this Chinese ammo so I already know it is steel. Also I did this video outside so did not have a magnet nearby.

[@ditto1958]

No hiss? Steve would still taste it anyway.

[@314299]

I'll leave the ammo tasting to the professionals.

[@SidneyBroadshead]

0:35 *ISPM15 stamp on crate* International Plant Protection Convention (IPPC) Nation: CN (China) Wood Treatment: MB (Methyl-Bromide) by contractor Z-1

[@314299]

I am always amazed at the stuff viewers know. Thanks for that additional info.

[@Liberty2358]

Just curious, why is the Chinese make NATO standard ammo? I thought they were using 7.62 x 39 for their AKs.

[@314299]

That's a good question. The Chinese make 7.62x51mm for the same reason that they also make 5.56mm ammo - they sell it to countries who use those calibers. Therefore the ammo in the video is not surplus from the Chinese military. It might be surplus from a third party country who bought it from China, or a contract overrun or could just be a commercial lot of ammo identical to their military export stuff. As far as 7.62x39 it is no longer a front line Chinese caliber, their current front line round is the 5.8x42mm used in various domestic designed weapons.

[@juliendurand723]

I cut my hand with a spam can of 7.62x54r. Definately not opening another one without gloves.

[@314299]

Decent gloves are a good idea.

[@Je3perscre3pers]

I wish I can buy some of that ammo.

[@314299]

Supplies of this has been dried up for quite some time.

[@miketreen7403]

Christmas in July!!

[@314299]

With no annoying wrapping paper to dispose of.

[@jeffreynye3019]

Is it safe to shot in a 308 bolt action?

[@314299]

My buddy has been shooting ammo out of the other can from this crate in a Remington 700 with no issues, he says it's fairly accurate stuff considering what it is.

[@samuelharshbarger4934]

.308 is a hotter load than 7.62x51 NATO, so it's always safe to shoot either through a .308, however you don't want to shoot a .308 through a 7.62x51

[@corvoattano4777]

Wait why were the Chinese even making 762x51?

[@314299]

I expect they were making it for export, just like they make 5.56x45/.223 and 9x19mm.

[@stevet5790]

which gun Chinese use 762*51 ? that is NATO round , right ?

[@314299]

None that I'm aware of, but they do load it for other countries use and those countries do surplus it. Since it's Chinese made and surplus I feel justified in the video description. Those folks of a pedantic disposition may not agree, but it's my video, not theirs.

[@SidneyBroadshead]

0:35 Tin Lid *7.62 x 51* = 7.62x51mm NATO *20-96-71* = Lot 20, Year 1996, Factory 71 *BALL* = Full Metal Jacket lead core bullet with copper-washed steel case. *500 ROUNDS* 500 per can, 1000 per crate. Ammo bulk packed in large packets (each 125 rounds; 4 per can: 500 rounds). I think these cans are usually for machinegun belts but are repurposed for bulk sales of civilian ammo. They also sold 5.56mm NATO (55-grain Ball M193 / .223 Remington Metal Case copy) in 560-round cans (28 x 20-round cartons) / 1120 round crates. 01:15 Crate Handle (Powder Data) *CJ1 28-96-20* = CJ is the headstamp for China Sports, China's sport ammunition brand. CJ 128, year 1996, Lot 20.

[@314299]

Thanks for the info.

[@sigmaguy4741]

How many emmo have in one packet sir

[@314299]

500 rounds in the can in four bundles of 125 rounds.

[@Jerry-Parker]

Be bad it wasn't Lake City.

[@slowhand1198]

Several decades back, the Chinese actually put Korean war vintage Lake City head stamps on some .30 carbine ammo they sent here. Not sure if they really knew what it meant at the time.

[@314299]

At least it's not the horribly corrosive Czech surplus, that stuff was evil.

[@jennermadarang3995]

Hey guys! May i know the grains of cj 96 because i have a lot of it but idont know its grains.

[@314299]

The bullets are in the 147 to 148 grain range of weights.

[@monzaonza7650]

What are the downsides of chinese surplus ammo?

[@hoanghiepngo8645]

They work just fine actually, we practiced with hundred thousands of these both 7.62x39 and 7.62x54R for 1 platoon of 50 and only a few hundreds of those were duds. And they were from 78 - 80s

[@monzaonza7650]

@@hoanghiepngo8645 oh so they're perfectly safe, thanks for the insight

[@314299]

Downsides are: Most Chinese surplus is corrosive primed: Quality can be variable - some lots can be quite good for accuracy while others can be just fair. The stuff the Chinese loaded for their own use is generally good, the stuff they loaded for other countries use can be a bit more suspect.

[@oggyoliver3651]

​@@hoanghiepngo8645 m xàm l nữa

[@IndependentArmz]

3:35 in, hilarious!

[@314299]

😃

[@ratdaddy7774]

Norinco jialing or Chongqing arsenal if memory serves

[@314299]

Thanks for the info.

[@-SakuraKyoto]

5:16〜　I like the sound of paper😚💤💯

[@314299]

As they say "Whatever floats your boat".

[@alex-vk1ts]

How much did you pay for that?

[@314299]

Nothing. Like I said in the video the ammo is not mine, it belongs to a friend. I don't know what he paid but I think the stuff sold for about $450 a case back when it it was on the market.

[@caryr.7089]

Lol “Nice Hiss”.....I see what you did there.

[@314299]

:-)

[@Eli_G454]

Why were the Chinese making 7.62x51? Is this from Taiwan?

[@314299]

They don't use 7.62x51mm, but they do make it and export it to other countries who do use it.

[@armija]

@@314299 Then its not surplus, its just ammo made in China...

[@314299]

@@armija How do you know it's not surplus form the country that bought it from the Chinese?

[@MdDt-k7k]

❤❤❤❤❤

[@314299]

Thanks.

[@hamletthaus3046]

What strange diseases?? Uh all of them?

[@314299]

Ever heard of sarcasm?

[@MrOlgrumpy]

There's no way I would use chineese surplus rounds

[@314299]

If you are an American your government wont allow this to be imported into your country so it's not something that's even an option for you.

[@kamikaze253]

I think those are corrosive.

[@314299]

No they are not. I have fired them in a non-chrome lined barrel and there was no rust after letting the gun sit uncleaned for several days.

[@jacobothezoo5515]

you have the gun

[@314299]

I have what gun? One in 7.62x51? If so then yes.

[@yourdeal2408]

Chinese surplus do not have english text on it

[@314299]

It does when it's Chinese made ammo meant for export to another country.

[@yourdeal2408]

@@314299 surplus ammo is not produced for export

[@TheAsianOfChaos]

@@yourdeal2408 it is re packaged for it though....

[@Yukon12gauge00buck]

Lets see how many views! Covid free atleast LOL

[@314299]

924 so far. Views on most stuff is down, generally the way things go in summer.

[@stevenmerlock9971]

First Chinese imported ammo got banned then Russian ammo…… Next they banned all 🧐

[@314299]

I'm sure someone in Poland, Romania, Hungary, etc, will start producing steel case ammo for export to the USA.