#32. Leopard 50 Destroyed by Fire - The Aftermath

@Barefoot Doctors Sailing - this week we continue to work our way through the issues created by the destruction of our Leopard 50 Catamaran by fire. We start to look at the risks of fire for yachties and how to protect ourselves - essential info! We discuss the bereavement process that everyone goes through after significant losses and also what we are planning for the future.
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[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Hey Everyone, Again thank you all so much for your kind words and support thought this difficult time. We both appreciate it very much and it is a wonderful reflection that the world is filled with kind positive and helpful people keen to help others I distress. That is so much in parallel with our philosophy of spreading joy and positivity around and clearly the vast majoority of people are rising to this level too - so what a wonderful thing to find out in dark times! For those that are new to the channel and don't understand what we represent, we provide aid work globally and use our free "Positive Mindfulness Cognition" processes which are positive mindset techniques to help those with stress, anxiety and mental health issues. Part of these principles are also that if others choose to live following different standards, that is their choice but we choose not to associate with those that live in that way. So if individuals write posts that are derogatory, insulting, demeaning, negative or generally nasty, they will be deleted as we only want to deal with those people that want to deal with us and in a respectful and "decent" manner. We are aiming to create a pleasant and harmonious world and working to eliminate the negatives around us! Peace and happiness to you all.

[@ZeroDot42]

Big hugs,and all our positive support for both 🤗 ,thank you for the info on the fire suppressing systems and progress of investigation forward..... ,and you right its not just the type of ,powder,CO2 ,foam extinguisher suppressants used its the speed it is used to kill and cool the fire and prevent heat build up and secondary sources from flammable containers.

[@emberbaker7798]

Maybe Phoenix would be a good name for your next boat? You could wear it as a badge of honor. You're amazing!

[@michaelnewman3820]

Thank you for going public with your unfortunate experience. The way you had to deal with that situation was eye opening and as far as I am aware, a first on KZbin! Thank you so much for sharing it! I just also want to give you some hope and remember that your last boat was fibreglass and you had that for 18 years! Unfortunately with a boat fire any material will be a complete loss. Aluminium burns too (just look at a web site called “wrecked exotics” and see how a Ferrari or Lamborghini look after an engine fire). There is also some footage on eSystman KZbin channel of one super yacht fire where the entire superstructure was aluminium and it completely burned down to the steel hull. Steel is the only material that won’t burn, but then the entire interior is flammable because it is either wood, fibreglass or plastic also. Basalt is just another form of composite material bonded with resins also. Fire suppression systems are a great idea but at the end of the day, your best insurance is to have insurance. I think you did everything you could and my take away is this was an unforeseen accident and this is why you need insurance! Thank you for that!! My other take away is the skin cancer advice!! Thank you for your channel and sharing your experiences and journey!

[@wilsonroo16]

I am not familiar with the fireboy system but it is what larger boats all typically use. It also has a clean agent gas with no residue. They have engine room ones but also ones for areas where people would be. Every yachting person I know uses them.

[@bengtkorswing5279]

Praise the Lord! So glad that the insurance company is covering the costs. Praying for your continued recovery.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks Bengt, we gratefully accept all prayers, good wishes etc to harness the energy of the universe!!!

[@cruisecrazy7066]

Who is the insurance company? They should be recognized for their good work.

[@axlns81]

I was looking for videos made by owners of Leopard catamarans as I'm in process of making an order for my first boat and I decided it will be Leopard 45. KZbin suggested your videos and I was shocked when I saw such a beauty caught by fire. I cant even imagine what you felt and still feeling now. You are great people and you have great channel, I wish all the best and I hope you will have your new boat sooner rather than later and will continue living your dream!

[@kublacalm]

I really appreciate you sharing the lessons you are learning through this painful process. You could easily be saving lives by educating your viewers.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Cheers and thanks for your support!

[@AfricanFlightStar]

Blessings for a full recovery in every sense of the word 🤗🤗🤗⛵️🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thank you we appreciate you!

[@LifeOnTheHulls]

My brother lost a brand new Land Rover Defender in Sydney to Linseed oil oaked rags left in his car on a warm spring day in Sydney.Spontaneous combustion is real and great advice from you both.Sadly it was one if the last Defenders built and was unable to replace it.Cheers Ross

[@petermcgreevy6386]

Makes you think a bit more about flammables.........

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks Ross. Yes there are several compounds that ignite spontaneously. Sorry for your brother - my brother was also a Land Rover lover!

[@michaelmilne9914]

A boat is a floating oil can, a piece of glass left in the sun in an enclosed area can cause a fire.

[@brolohalflemming7042]

@@michaelmilne9914 I had an ex who was in the fire service tell me about that. I'd bought a lump of amethyst polished into a ball. She saw it and said 'never get a crystal ball!'. Then explained a number of fires they'd caused after being left on window ledges, shelves and catching sunlight, acting like a magnifying lens and starting a fire. Same with other glassware and ornaments. But as well as not keeping flammables onboard, I'm wondering if lithium batteries in cameras or laptops may have been the culprit.They don't like being hot, as well as risk of corrosion causing shorts due to humidity. Probably worth removing those if a boat is going to be unoccupied for extended periods, as well as reducing theft risk.

[@michaelmilne9914]

@@brolohalflemming7042 Lithium batteries are not suppose to be in checked airline baggage for the same reason. Lithium if it catches fire is impossible to put out, ask any fireman, a Tesla burning is simply let it burn out. As for theft, unless it is the whole boat, no-one steals anymore because the reward to risk is so small, A battery that maybe will get $10 for scrap compared to time in jail, panhandling is easier and more lucrative.

[@jamesturbyfill6281]

seeing your shirt reminds me of a favorite saying of mine! tuff times dont last, tuff people do. you two have got this!

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks James! We are refocusing and moving forwards and working through all the bureaucracy that also follows....

[@harrisonandrew]

One thing is for sure, there is definitely no keeping you guys down. That video was excellent and very instructive. Thank you xxx

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Glad you thought so Andrew. Lots of gaps to fill in though...

[@spacewalktraveller1]

I really pray that everything works out great for you both. I wish you lots of love and peace, take care.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks for your support and kind words! We have been amazed at how much positive and supportive people there are and it is a great reflection of the rising consciousness of humanity (we believe!) Well done on leading the way!!!

[@eugenehalliday5324]

I just stumbled upon your channel in my KZbin recommendations and so glad I chose to watch. I love your messaging, your openness, your vulnerability, and that you still remained positive throughout this nightmare. Cheers Doctors to a new subscriber!

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Good to have you on board!

[@lifesailinc-lsi1120]

I wend through a loss as well because of SM em threads and other untrue accusations I never responded. All I could do to forgive them. It took me 1½ year to even realize the depth of the exhaustion. I do understand in part what you are going through. Blessing

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Sorry you had pain also, people will be coming from a place of their own experience which is sad! Cheers for your comment, we are feeling much better about things now and are trying to keep looking forward to happier times ahead! 💗

[@jacana25]

Thank you for sharing your story. We had a fire on our boat once. An electrical fault in a fuel lift pump, (while sailing). Luckily for us, my wife was inside the cabin and noticed smoke coming from under the cabin floor. Luckily also the pump and extinguisher were easy to access so we managed to extinguish the fire quickly. The whole event took probably no more than 30 seconds and honestly I think another minute and we would have been abandoning the boat. It is scary how fast this can happen. Smoke alarms and fire extinguishers!

[@oneworldexplorers500]

A soldier always marches on and achieves his/her objective. You both are doing exactly that. 💯 fair play. Who knows by next season you are in a brand new aluminium boat enjoying the tropics or may be sooner. Love from Ireland 🇮🇪

[@jameskolbe2714]

I’m so happy the insurance company is helping and you’re worrying less! Wishing you both the very best and hope to see you on the water soon!

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks James

[@rorkesparks2598]

Geez I shed a tear in the 1st video... it just hit home for me how hopeless your situation was being so far from your home a float.....but it really is informative on how WE all can prevent such happening..... may your dream continue soon and I look forward to your journey from here lotsa love from South Africa

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks so much for you love from across the oceans. We are recovering well and excited about going forward and what new opportunities might be out there!

[@WSallai]

So glad that your insurance company has taken positive movement. Regarding suggestions for fire suppression systems (FSS) I have a couple of things for you to look at. 1) Automatic FSS installed in engine compartments and areas where batteries are located 2) Suppression medium should be Halon, which would smother a fire very quickly without affecting any systems 3) FSS should be activated by: (a) Manual Pull Station(s); (b) Fire Wire (when insulation melts it will allow two conductors to pass signal to discharge FSS medium); (c) sprinkler head activated much like Fire Wire. The Fire Wire is laid out so that it is around the engines and the rest of the compartment. Another medium to use is one of the most affective: water. Ideally, you could use fresh water spraying a low velocity fog, which both cools and smothers fires. Sea water can also be used and is the most widely used medium by Naval & Cruise Ships. Yes, it will attack and ruin your electronics, but would save you from abandoning your boat while on passage. I really like your ideas about using basalt mast to prevent lightning strike-caused fire..of course the standing rigging would still allow lightning strike to occur, but a greatly reduced probability. Aluminum hulls will allow you to go anywhere in the World with confidence and repairs can be made with welds. You don’t even need to paint it, but it would prevent corrosion.

[@peterlee2622]

Thanks for your videos, I am sure they will be a wake-up call for many other boaters. Another potential source of fires is the boat's electrical system. They invariably use storage batteries, such as lead acid or lithium, which are low voltage (e.g.12V or 24V) but capable of massive amounts of current if short circuited. Boat owners frequently make additions and modifications to systems on board, such as adding solar panels with associated controllers and other electronics. It is absolutely vital that appropriate overcurrent protection, e.g. correctly sized fuses or circuit breakers are used to protect the wiring etc if a fault happens in a piece of electrical or electronic gear (or the mast gets struck by lightning). Plenty of fire extinguishers available, ready access to liferaft and ditch bag, have escape hatches from forward berths and have a practiced escape plan - all good things to think about! Do a careful risk assessment, considering all the different ways things could go wrong, and plan what you would do about them, particularly if you are offshore.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Absolute , cheers for your support , hope you enjoy the vids to come!

[@dancrooks3740]

Thank you for sharing your experience here, this is a rare occurrence that we all can learn from and better prepare for.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks

[@darrellallen1601]

I've just recently found your cannel. sorry to hear of your loss. based on what I've seen so far you will absolutely bounce back.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks Darrell for your support! We certainly hope so and expect so too but I am still struggling to get invoices for everything on the boat as they were all on the boat... Clearly didn’t think that one through!

[@richardwallinger1683]

great upbeat video .. Prior to my sailing dingy ownership I used to go to sailing clubs to feel the vibes and gain insider knowledge and tips.. I do not think the comment that even people without boats was aimed at you good folk . I have no idea how an unattended boat could decide to self ignite . like yours seemingly / obviously did A number of years ago I was parked in a services area car park in my part aluminium and part fiberglass campervan .and a black BMW suv came and parked in an open area with smoke coming from under the bonnet . I approached the smoking car and directed my co2 fire extinguisher through the grill and into the engine compartment . On opening the bonnet the seat of the smallish fire was towards the rear of the engine and bulkhead . My fire extinguisher was empty and no one else offered to assist . However a guy had run from the petrol pump area with a large water fire extinguisher which worked really well .. dousing the hot fire which had already melted the aluminium cam cover of the engine .. Unfortunately the fire had taken hold inside the car and the whole dash area was pouring black smoke fumes making visibility impossible .. Then the fire brigade arrived and within a short time , their powerful water jet had extinguished the flames . but by then the car was a write off.. I never did get paid for my empty fire extinguisher which failed to suppress the under bonnet fire .. I believe that a well aimed bucket of good old water would have achieved an immediate knock down of the initial fire . Having a battery isolation switch like on racing / rally cars would be a sensible precaution on a valuable asset like yours .. good to see those blue eyes sparkling afresh ..

[@HB-C_U_L8R]

On the bright side, you get to start over and change anything you didn't like about the old boat.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Yes that’s right...

[@roberthandlon1877]

Glad to see smiles, and laughter from you two. I know that grieving takes time, and it will always be a part of your past. I have looked at that Garcia Cat that you mentioned, and I know the initial cost if some 40% to 50% higher, but after seeing how fast a fiberglass boat burned, it was definitely eye opening. Look forward to seeing what is in store for you guys in the future. It always gets me when I see that there have been 22.5K views and only 1.7K likes, I guess people don't understand the time, and effort that goes into telling your story. Always a thumbs up from me. Thanks

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks Robert. Good points...

[@janiswhite8461]

"eSysman Super Yachts" has just now produced a vlog about fires on board boats. He had mentioned various methods of fire suppression systems. As a ship's engineer, I am sure he has some valid suggestions that may help with your decision making.

[@tioganh]

Great Attitude Guys hang in there.

[@michaelsamuel4159]

It only takes one spark of light to illuminate darkness! Way to focus on the more important blessings.

[@georgesalmas4582]

You are wonderful, strong and beautiful. Nothing can change that. Thank you for letting us learn from your experience. The future will be bright for all of us.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Cheers for your comment George, yes we should all stick together and help each other to prevent from happening to others if we can. Thanks for your support!

[@billd.3189]

Sorry for your loss. Your message and advice is invaluable. Thank You

[@silverfoxes65]

Such good advice, thank you for your thoughts. Thankfully you weren't in the middle of the ocean. I know when we were traveling in our motorhome full-time we were extremely concerned about fire (after all it is your home), but that didn't stop our motorhome from catching fire because a switch failed and didn't turn off the hydraulic jack pump and while we were driving down the road in northern Idaho our home caught fire. We pulled over to the side of the road, and while I was unhooking the car, dragging containers from the holds, my wife was calling 911(thank God for cell phones). To our surprise, the fire truck arrived within minutes. All worked out ok, a week or so at Bud's repair shop and we were on our way with a much better-designed motorhome and also very clean to boot. It can happen to anybody, anytime, anywhere. To the critics, please don't be so quick to judge. By the way, after spending a summer in Florida in our motorhome, I can tell you that the thunderstorms are vicious and if I were to guess, that would be my first guess as to the cause.

[@hattingh01]

What a colossal tragedy ?!!! We have also been through the same thing with our house a few years ago and know exactly what you are going through. All I can say is that in the darkest of the night, daybreak is near. This too shall pass. Stay strong 💪 and soldier on !!!

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Sorry for your loss too! We hope the dawning of the new day is close! Certainly the pleasure of the nice weather after a terrible storm is always do much sweeter too!

[@hattingh01]

As aspiring and prospective new Leopard 50 owners ourselves, we really hope you guys get to the bottom of this. I think the whole sailing community can benefit from your tragedy and take home some valuable lessons. Thanks for sharing with us. Much appreciated.🙏

[@jimhand2734]

Thank you for sharing your story. I've spent several hours today watching your earlier videos. My wife and I are looking to sell our house and buy a catamaran in a few years. I can't imagine the stress and problems you two have had to go through the last few weeks. I hope you are able to get back on the water soon.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Hope our story does not put you off - we will get back into it asap

[@WillN2Go1]

I'm so happy your insurance company stepped up. I'm very sorry you have to go through this, but everything I learn from you will be part of my discussions with an insurance broker. (And yes the aluminum Garcia moved up my wish list.) And part of my boat preparations. Fire triangle: Fire needs three things, fuel, oxygen, heat. Remove any one of these and fire goes out. This is the core of all this. CO2 is good for electronics - puts out the fire without damaging or shorting the circuits. These automatic systems can be installed inside cabinets. An infrared smart phone camera attachment. Finds the hot spots. If there's some corrosion or a gap in your electrical connections at a glance with this device you should be able to see it. Something that's warm now, might get hot later. (Electrical shorts causing arcing carbonize the surface increasing resistance. Increased resistance generates heat. ) Sprinklers. I installed these in a kitchen remodel. Very inexpensive. I did it without permits. The building inspector shrugged - they weren't required, the permitting and inspection process is a huge hassle, and the worse that can happen is you flood your kitchen. (30 years later they're still ready.) Sprinklers might give you more time to get off the boat with your ditch bag and life raft. (Someone in the boat world knows more about this.) Fire extinguishers. I find that whatever the requirement is it's usually half as many as it should be. A home kitchen with two entrances and the stove in the middle. A fire can trap you on either side of the stove. If you only have one extinguisher on one side of your stove you won't be able to get to it if you are on the other side of the fire. I'd want one on the way into the boat from the helm and one in each ama so it's handy as you get out of bed. What I've learned about fire safety is that there are people who really understand this. There's also some DIY additions to this (like extra fire extinguishers and my DIY sprinkler system) that usually don't cost much, don't interfere with the current state of the art, but which can give you more options. Stove top grease fires. If you put water on them they spatter the hot burning grease - burn you and spread the fire. Best protection is a lid to smother it. Maybe figure out a way of having a lid out all the time. It can even be on the wall or counter opposite the stove top. Grab it, use it as a shield, put it over the pan. And of course electronic devices. The airlines have metal boxes on board, so if someone's phone starts getting too hot it goes in the box. I've experienced two electrical fire dangers from rain. The first was my 240vAC table saw extension cord plug. Used it for 12 years - never moved, never damaged. One drizzling day I walked out my back door and heard sizzling. I looked at the plug and just then the saw dust around it caught fire. Had I been earlier or later.... (I replaced the plugs with the connectors in an exterior electrical box.) Another time in Japan my Anker battery connected to my iPhone, in the rain (the iPhone 6s had a battery dying issue so I often had to plug it into the battery mid-day. Needed it for GPS). The charging connector going into the battery overheated and started to melt and char. I wiped it off, blew it out, got it out of the rain - still works fine. A bootleg Apple PowerBook power block overheated. (I know my Apple stuff - it looked legit until after it almost caused a fire and I opened it up.) Electronics on a boat getting wet could get one of these shorts. A damaged, faulty or wet device connected to a charger can overheat. This should be part of the Captain's talk to new arrivals. Hope this contributes. Also on the skin spot inspection and paper drawing: How about everyone begin by finding an arbitrary number of spots, say 6, on their partner to watch. Now they have to decide which freckle is bigger and makes the list, and they've establish a baseline, so if they find a new freckle that's bigger - they know it's probably new.

[@nuffsaid7952]

Fire needs 4 elements. It is no longer referred to as the fire triangle due to the 4th element which is “a chemical reaction” and is referred to as the fire tetrahedron. Without the chemical reaction fire will not occur.

[@WillN2Go1]

@@nuffsaid7952 Thank you Nuff Said. I guess my 30 year old training needs updating.

[@nuffsaid7952]

@@WillN2Go1 lol, the 4th element was added nearly 30 years ago. I remember the old days of the triangle well and then came the realisation of the 4th and most important element, the chemical reaction, which is what a fire actually is. There is some good advice in your post backed up with years of experience. Cheers

[@latitudeash]

glad its getting sorted for you both.

[@williamsoares5776]

Very good information cheered here, thank you!

[@georgesims6339]

Guys so glad you keeps your sense of humour.

[@scarletbegonias2359]

Your candor is really above & beyond, so sorry that you're having to deal with this at this time. Looking forward to watching you work the problem and rediscovering your happiness.

[@somadevo]

As doctors you have learned the benefits of your calling to correct problems. The sailing community is more highly guided than many ways of life. Congratulations for living the example of learning from disaster and experiencing the calling to bring forth advances in preventing and best handling fires. Your contributions will undoubtably benefit boaters as long as these challenges are capale of appearing. Actually this is a universal theme of awakening to improve life in all needed ways which pretty much saturate this passing paradigm. Infinite Highest Blessings and Gratitude for all you contribute to The Good Of All.

[@BrianPKelly]

Thanks for sharing. I learned a few things that will stay with me.

[@br5498]

Wow… don’t know why you came up ….but I’m glad you did !

[@regkane-Pluvis]

Hi Guys, continue to walk tall, in Ireland we have a saying " Keep her Lit " . You guys certainly fit that bill. Stay Healthy Reg.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks Reg!

[@ross8551]

Best dreams are those that come true. In 1970 my parents (Dad 52 , mom 47) left home in Canada for their sailing dreams. They ended continuous sailing 23 years later; around the world twice and a great deal of exploration. My point is you have many great sailing years ahead of you. Keep on truckin' as my generation use to say.

[@larrymatheny9081]

Hi Doctors, So glad to see an occasional smile and laugh come through. It's not uncommon to have anger after some form of personal loss, like a home robbery, theft of a new car, loss of a loved one. But most of us find a way to get through it and even when that memory pop's back up in our head, it's short lived and then the laughter soon begins. So remember that old song " When your Smiling" the sun keeps shining through.

[@Techie_ASMR]

OMG i so happy to see you guys smile again.. I m a software eng. and my partner is also a doctor. she and I, we have the same goal/hope to sail across oceans in couple of years for sure.. so when I saw the last week video, it broke my heart to pieces. i m also glad to hear that you guys are looking for new boats. and in my mind, the silver lining in this whole situation is, whatever happened, it happened when you weren't in the boat. you guys are safe and that s the most important. best wishes.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Hope your progress to getting your dream progresses well - keep going and have fun. This is a downer but that is life and the up times always seem sweeter after the dips...

[@mz2288]

Love to see your smiles come back! 🌞💫💫💫🙂🙂🙂💫💫💫🌞👏👏👏👏

[@taniac1860]

I saw the original video, and it still looks so devastating. I think what is so impactful, is the thought of what if this had happened, while you were on it and at sea (or even docked for that matter). I know it’s devastating for you, but we will be thankful that you are here to tell us the story. Good luck for your future endeavours. Edit… Think Exploration 52… all alloy 😊

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks Tania. We are looking at theGsrcia and the Windelo - pluses and minuses both ways

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Cheers Tania , getting more excited and ready for the next step in the adventure!

[@soaredfish45]

I Love how you guys are turning this bad experience around. Good on you! Can't wait to see the next boat.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks Trevor! We hope so ...

[@paolognecchiruscone9081]

You guys are awesome, and I really admire your spirit and your willingness to share your ordeal for the help of others. I do understand the feeling of loosing all ( for reasons I won't go into ) and know how painful it is when other elements come into play making things worse, I wish you the best of luck and hope to see you resume your dream as soon as possible. Please ignore the negative comments ( some people need a fruitbox to feel important ) I just wish one day we will get to cross paths ( or waves ) as hopefully soon I will be pursuing my dream of sailing around the world .......

[@ianprice9005]

So glad to hear it’s all coming together Dr 🙏🏻. And great to see those smiles are back

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks Ian

[@impgt67]

Hi Barefoot Doctors, David here from Tasmania. Just started watching your videos yesterday (Friday) and was so saddened to see your beautiful vessel destroyed. Hint on Fire Protection. I was in the Fire Protection business for most of my working life. (Wormald Fire) We used to sell and install a Halon system that consisted of a Halon cylinder (available in many sizes from 5 to 100 Kg) and about 5 to 10 metres of high pressure plastic tubing. Place the cylinder in your danger area, run the plastic tubing around your engine bay or battery bank, or whatever, set it up and it is ready to go. Halon is breathable (Trust me I have breathed in more Halon gases that I care to remember) wont damage sensitive equipment, and doesn't leave residue. ie no clean up. Plus the cylinders can be refilled. We sold hundreds of these system to the big mining companies, mainly BHP, and installed them in the engine bays of 200 tonne dump trucks and excavators etc, at Broken Hill, Newcastle etc. Even fitted one system to an AA Fuel Dragster. Halon is not necessarily good for the ozone layer, but if you have to set it off out in the ocean, you should survive, and have no cleaning up to do. I have seen the massive damage/trouble that Foam and Dry Powder extinguishers do. Co2 is good but can be very dangerous. Unfortunately being on a boat, you have just about every combustible material known to man around you. I hope everything turns out well for. You will get through all this. Stiff upper lip, and all that. Cheers, David

[@MichaelKallelisOn2Wheels]

Very informative. Thank you for sharing what you are learning about fire suppression in boats, especially FRP boats.

[@leonardtasker6732]

ty for sharing your store it good t o going forward now i wish you both well its heart rendering what i see for the footage

[@rosefarrar7698]

Sending much love, hugs and prayers

[@Diver420420]

It’s great to see you two smile. The dream will continue and I look forward to watching it.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks bob.

[@dangrady0311]

Greatful for the update on this tough time! Blessings to you both as you continue to move forward!,

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks Dan!

[@Trishpage312]

I’m so sure this is going to help so many people. Thanks for sharing!

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Cheers Trish

[@lawrencetessier2409]

Glad to see you guys are on fire with getting on looking for a new boat that's more safe. Love and light to you both. If your reading this I love you

[@cochinaable]

So glad that the insurance is paying up and things are getting better. Nice to see your sense of humor is back. Be safe!

[@jamesrhodes6462]

Besides looking fantastic You have great attitudes Thanks for keeping us updated on what’s going on.

[@richardhall7822]

Resilience is key to success and happiness and although you guys have been knocked down, you seem to be the kind of people who will simply get up and pick up from where you can so wishing you all the best and that you manage the many ups and downs until you are back on track and again living your dream😊

[@wck5914]

I subscribed because you are using this experience to really share helpful information. Thanks for sharing your research.

[@futureisscary246]

I will be looking forward to learning from your research, and it is great to see you both looking forward, looking for positives!

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks - still trying to find clear answers but there’s lots of smokescreen and self promos...

[@carlrose1333]

So sorry to learn of your boat fire. As boat owners, my wife and I fear this could happen to anyone at our marina which would cause massive amounts of damage. We feel for your loss and wish you both all the best and a speedy recovery back into boating life.

[@ActionStills]

Glad to hear you are recovering from the shock of your loss. Perhaps there is a silver lining. I am impressed with the Windelo 50/54 design featuring a basalt hull, hydrogeneration and hybrid-electric motors.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Yes it has really nice features and benefits. Different design too so changing the standards.

[@ActionStills]

@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 I am curious if they used a fire-resistant resin in their build, it would be worth checking that detail to make sure they have maximized fire prevention.

[@tredingwater144]

Hello folks. I just finished watching your last few episodes. Thanks for being so transparent with your experience during what is clearly a personal challenge. Your experience has prompted myself to have initial conversations with our insurance carrier to have a better understanding of the expected protocols in the unfortunate case that this happens to us. Sorry you had to endure this event, but you certainly seem to be handling it with a level of poise that is admirable. We are hopeful you give your dream a renewed and even more passionate purpose than you already had.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks and glad the deeper understanding was useful

[@NinjaPigRocks]

Wow guys, I just binged watched the two previous videos and this one. I could only imagine what was going through your minds during the first couple of days. So many questions, so few answers, stress levels through the roof, not helped by the distance, logistics and bloody covid & the political b/s that goes with it thrown into the mix. To be rising out of the ashes and to have shown fortitude in this situation like you both have is a credit to your positivity & belief in what you have created with TufMinds. I wish you both the very best in the future and that your shattered dreams become nothing more than a jigsaw that will be put back together bigger and better than ever.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Cheers Tex , starting to really explore options and looking forward to the adventure ahead!

[@milroypaul]

Very sorry for the loss of your nee boat. It just sucks. You seem to handle this situation quite well. Thanks for sharing the aftermath of a catastrophe, and sharing the lessons learned.

[@lexihorse2]

I am so sorry about the loss of your boat. You guys are an inspiration for how to handle such a traumatic situation. Thank you for all of the information in this video, it has certainly gotten me thinking about our fire plan. We are accepting our new Dufour 470 out of commissioning next week and enfin!! is our “dream” boat. We have all of the required extinguisher’s and fire blankets, but after watching what you have gone thru we have realized that we need more. We will be looking into an automatic system and will be watching your future video’s for info your research turns up.

[@barilro]

HI, Glad to see you highlighted the Windelo Basalt material which has been around for a while but is innovative for naval construction. We have purchased hull no 4 from Windelo 50 and will take delivery mid next year. Hull no 1 will be at the Cannes boat show next week

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Congrats Robert on your exciting purchase! Well done. Are you UK based taking delivery there?

[@barilro]

@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 We are from Montreal, Canada. Just out of interest, we owned a Leopard 47 we had built by R&C in 2005 and sailed it for three years with our three children. With the kids now out on their own, we are going back to enjoy sailing and travelling again. BTW, we are very sorry to hear about your recent tragedy. We are sure you will land back on your feet in no time. Life is just too short to feel sorry for yourself for too long….

[@markdykeman6783]

Very impressive that you guys continued to make videos in this time of real mess. Looking forward to your summary of learnings. Keep your dreams going!!

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks for the support Mark- we are working to get it back on track.

[@mikeavise9422]

Glad to see you guys are alright and no body got hurt, now about them fire jokes please share when the time is right.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Ok

[@johnslocum3251]

stay strong. you are an amazing couple! take your time and things will work out.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Cheers John .. wise words we really appreciate you taking the time to comment!

[@sailingsphynx]

Just to add to unusual things that can cause fires... my bedroom curtain caught fire due to the sunlight passing through an empty vodka bottle with a rounded shape. I'm in BC Canada, it's not crazy hot but the sun went through like a magnifying glass. I was in the room and saw it, and it left a hole in the curtain. I would never have believed it. Thanks for these videos guys, good reminder that accidents can happen when you least expect it, and great tips to be better prepared in case you become an unfortunate receiver of such an accident.

[@dereksafley]

Thank you for sharing, you have been and always will be a help to many many people... Your past, present and future contributions to humanity are legendary... Do it again! Leopard, lithium, swim deck, solar, etc...Do it all!!...Do it Better!!! Good on ya!!

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks a lot Derek - we are legendary? Lovely compliment and we are aiming to keep going it!

[@sr8377]

Hi. Have been following the devastation since your first video of this (and your channel for sometime). Deeply sorry for all the stress and difficulties. Glad to hear that it is being worked out. No doubt, if it is still your choice your dream can still move forward - even if you need to start almost from step 1. Good luck!

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks for your support and glad you’re appreciating the videos!

[@MSHopps175]

Very informative!

[@henryoppermann134]

VERY ENLIGHTENING! I am looking at a live aboard life and i was researching the steel vs fiberglass debate, and now this event, sad as it is, was very important in my evaluation. At 70, I have been tossing around whether it is feasible for my bride and I to still engage in this lifestyle…when is too old to old? I don’t feel it mentally, but physically will it be too much?…interesting and thank you for leading the way on the research….sorry for your loss, but out of clouds the sun will certainly shine again.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks for your comment Henry! I think the best way to see how well you can do it is to go for some passage sailing with friends or charter a boat for a week. The activities you end up doing are things like climbing in and out the dinghy, up onto harbour walls, into the bilges of the boat and climbing up the mast to the boom to free up the sail. Most other things can be done with winches and assistance. It also depends on where you are sailing and where you will be anchoring / mooring / marinas. Being able to get from one end of the boat to the other to put fenders somewhere if you are about to bump is occ needed too. Using marinas is harder than anchoring off but if you need help in marinas, you can radio in as you approach and they will (usually) help... If you are reasonably agile, you would be fine and you do not need to be a hero or particularly strong as there are usually ways of getting things done easily... HOPe that helps!

[@henryoppermann134]

Thank you, I’m still very agile and active, and the advice you give is awesome. Charter first is a great idea…

[@rumblechick73]

So nice to see you both smiling again! I already see a silver lining for the boating community since this brings awareness of the need to have a discussion on safety measures. Often safety gets overlooked in the excitement of all the fun and joy of starting to actively live your dreams. Much like having fun in the sun can make one forget about needing to protect your skin while doing so. Just for the sense of being able to understand the cause I hope the investigators are able to burn thru the mess and cool any anxieties so you can move on without fear of things going up in smoke ever again! LOL My money is betting on the outlandish thought that a hungry iguana got aboard and knocked something over in the wrong place...they aren't known for their grace! Ok, enough silliness! Please do keep filming as you go along, especially the boat shopping part, we all know how much other yachties love to look at new boats. BTW, I'm pretty sure I heard a giant sigh of relief all the way over in the USA when the insurance stepped up and started getting busy for you. Insurance is a really strange thing when you think about it, you're betting money in a gamble with the company that you only win if something happens bad enough to get your wager to pay off! I've been paying car insurance premiums for almost 50 years and never had a claim, but I keep telling myself it's a price to pay for peace of mind.

[@larrywright1936]

Best of luck going forward!

[@rogermace4516]

WOW I have just subscribed to your channel today.... Firstly I am so sorry to hear about your catamaran , But I love how your laughing and planning your future ............ All the very best from Qld Australia

[@RusstafaB]

So sad to hear about this. Our very best wishes from London UK

[@philipallard8026]

Please stay well and work to find a safe future.

[@johnwatson4406]

Brilliant video, informative and good to see you moving forward, dark days are past, good days to look forward to.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Bouncing back… we will rise again … …..sounds very dramatic doesn’t it ? Cheers for your support!

[@Just_the_Q]

I will tell you I watch a lot of different channels about catamaran sailing. I think yours is the most informative. Keep up the good work.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Cheers Eric we appreciate your comment and support, thanks a lot!

[@richthomas3251]

Just watched the episode in which you first set foot on your new boat - what a joy! I’m a believer that life sends us all kinds of situations from which we can learn but I’m struggling to imagine what Karma has in mind for you two by destroying such a beautiful and joyous creation as Ultra Dash and dashing your dreams in the process. I guess that’s something only time will tell. Stay safe.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Hey Rich thanks for your comment. The one karmic thing that makes sense to us is that there is a bigger plan, a different direction or other people that must cross our path. Clearly there is a better change of plan …, we just didn’t get the memo! 😁

[@richthomas3251]

Hi Guys. Yes it can be very frustrating when the Cosmos doesn't keep you in the loop!

[@ianjackson1192]

Thank you for the update it’s great to see you both are getting through your sad time please don’t take any notice of all the negative comments take strength from the positive ones.looking forward to seeing more great videos in the near future 🇬🇧😀👍🏻

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks again Ian!

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks Ian, probably more sensitive than we would usually be as the emotions were frayed a little. Feeling able to dust ourself off and turn a new chapter. Cheers for your support!

[@thomastaylor6991]

If circumstances ever cause me to go into a state of severe depression I would definitely use your Tufminds program due to the fact that you people obviously know what you are doing. It also brightens my day to see people "Practice what they Preach". Fair winds and following seas. Subscribed

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks Thomas

[@dreoneful]

Stay strong No matter what happened you guys are saved and that's what matters at the end of the day

[@kennor5227]

Wishing you the best of luck. I know you'll continue your dream, whatever you decide that is. I like the idea of the other materials for a boat.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Cheers and will be exploring options along the way !

[@elsamartins9076]

God bless you guys... I just subscribed... Catamaran is a life time dream.....

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks for your support Elsa! Yes it had been our 10 -15 year plan and gone in 15 minutes! We do keep in mind that every situation is a growing experience and we keep our eyes out for the opportunity in any catastrophe....

[@edgaito7028]

First, I'm so sorry for your loss. I lost one in a hurricane and relate to all of the emotions your feeling. In looking for a silver lining, this video might just contain it. You're starting a conversation that cruisers don't have often enough and presenting well researched information. Fire on a boat is my biggest fear. There is no time to react as you spoke about. Perhaps this is your next calling. Wishing you the best.

[@bgrmystr]

I ran across your channel within the past few days and I'm heartfelt sorry you went through the experience of losing your vessel. I know I'm coming into the conversation a month late, but I wanted to share thoughts regarding fire suppression. I worked for the US Navy at a couple of their shipyards. I used to install and test piping systems, including fire suppression, as part of my job. One item I haven't heard discussed on your vlog is FM-200 systems. They are very effective in enclosed spaces, it's not banned like Halon, its not corrosive, non-condductive and it's breathable when used properly. I highly recommend researching these systems when creating your spec sheets for your future vessel. Separate thought. When considering an aluminum vessel, do not allow the builder to use aluminum seawater piping (most wouldn't). As saltwater is corrosive to aluminum, those pipes degrade from the inside-out resulting in potential for catastrophic failure before realizing a problem exists.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Dear Henry, Thanks for that useful info! Given you say that Halon is banned, I presumed you are Australian but you say you worked with the US Navy? I am not aware of FM200 but will look it up for future boats as you suggest - thanks! We have had trouble finding someone with fire suppression expertise to discuss the broader advice for yachties on camera for the channel. Charter boats in Australia require a petrol driven water pump (that can also double as an emergency bite pump) but how many and what type of other extinguishers should we have on cruising boats, should we have automatic systems in the engines and elsewhere and what other precautions should we having place? Do you know these answers or direct me to someone who does???? Regards, John

[@bgrmystr]

@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Even though they are very effective fire suppression systems, Halon has dropped out of favor mainly because of their CFC content and I believe has an international treaty against it. In addition there have been a number of reported deaths from it because it displaces oxygen. Though I have been to WA a couple of times and loved it, I am American and live here as well. Since it appears you are based out of Queensland, I don't want to give inaccurate information. Instead, I'm going to refer you to a couple of sources better suited for your location. I was a member of the US Coast Guard Auxiliary in Florida, for many years performing vessel safety inspections. The mission of the Auxiliary is boater safety and education. The Australian Coast Guard and their Auxiliary is mirrored from their US counterparts and should be considered an excellent source for boater education. You may get lucky and find a rep from the flotilla receptive to a formal interview. If I've done my research correctly, the Auxiliary flotilla closest to your office is: QF23 Cardwell 1 Victoria Street Cardwell, Queensland 4849 Phone: [phone] Mobile: [phone] For marine regulations in your state, specifically Firefighting-equipment, may I suggest: www.msq.qld.gov.au/Safety/Firefighting-equipment I will add, with Firefighting-equipment, more is always better. Remember, the regulations only state the minimum requirements. V/r Henry Berger

[@hotttt28]

my cal 25 was stolen at the dock and i went into a depression for a good three days. I chartered a plane to look up and down the Columbia river to no avail and then out of the blue I went to the other side of the island and my sailboat “still crazy” right there. Stripped of course ,but nevertheless I got her back. It is a very emotional thing to lose something you love. I’m glad you guys have each other and I’m glad the insurance company is stepping up to the plate. Will see you on the water.

[@melee401]

Just glad again you were not out on the middle of the sea when this went down. The forensics will be interesting. I believe there is enough video to help pin point the starting starting area. I honestly believe the cause will be revealed. Given the youthful age of the vessel both Leopard and your insurance company have a very vested interest in getting the to the bottom of this.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Yes indeed. The insurance companies will be trying to pass the cost to others insurance.

[@markfarnell183]

I have heard that even the hydrocarbon propellants in spray can cleaners/degreasers can cause explosions if not ventilated properly. Lots of traps in these very complex floating entities, no matter what the building material. The adage of no such thing as a perfect boat springs to mind, but it never stops us trying. Looking forward to the results of your research as you pick yourselves up.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks Mark. Exactly

[@peterwilliamson8721]

It's good to hear your insurance company stepped up and I'm sure it's a big weight off your shoulders.You both look so much at ease now .

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks Peter.

[@dirkcornelis5708]

These people can afford a million dollar insured boat they will be okay.

[@thedon7974]

Get back out there guys…. Love your channel

[@travelingtimothy]

glad to hear insurance covers it but sad to hear of your loss. Imagine if you were at sea and think about how lucky you are no one was injured. You will find your way and move ahead I am sure with your resilience.

[@MedicFlyer]

100% Agree - there needs to be automated fire suppression on boats, or the risk is just too great. Certain design features need to be mandated to isolate known problem areas like engine rooms and battery compartments. Definitely look forward to the ongoing investigation.

[@barefootdoctorssailing8567]

Thanks stephen

[@Boody523]

Just brutal. So sorry for you guys. Exciting to see what you guys get next, will be fun to watch the journey. I am going to go buy some fire extinguishers now.

[@aprilbevis6109]

I'm so sad for you 2...glad Insurance paid...hope you find out what happen...your in my Prayers ..🙏💕