32: Sexuality Within the Biblical Story with Richard and Christopher Hays

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@rodneywalter4856
@rodneywalter4856 Ай бұрын
22:52 The risk to reputation is in not being affirming in these circles.
@timmatteson3959
@timmatteson3959 2 ай бұрын
I intend to purchase the book to get a fuller understanding of their stance, but when I heard the elder Hays accusing Jesus of prooftexting it gave me pause. Jesus's citation and follow-up to the "eye for an eye" passage was not in order to nullify or refute it. Jesus shed light on the commandment's original intent. It was put in place to limit sentencing and quell the desire for revenge. Jesus brings that principle into vivid fulfillment by calling His followers to de-escalate potential violence and to be people of peace. I expected more from someone reputed to be a Biblical scholar.
@timmatteson3959
@timmatteson3959 2 ай бұрын
The young woman's complaint about Biola's dominant hermeneutic "Bible Bible Bible" tells me that God's revelation of Himself in Scripture is insufficient for her. She's more comfortable filtering God's Word through the filter of her own experiences. That's a dangerous path.
@SteveHeinrichs
@SteveHeinrichs Ай бұрын
I don’t believe R. Hays is saying Jesus is proof texting… Hays is saying that Jesus challenged those who used “Eye for an eye” as a proof text, and he calls them to a more demanding and merciful way of being (“turn the cheek, love your enemy”).
@chineduchidi4404
@chineduchidi4404 2 ай бұрын
Good work the Hays Disclaimer: I've not read the book just commenting on the podcast I would argue differently on some points even though the space here would not allow me much rebuttals I agree on the the need to look at the forest rather than just focus on the trees... I disagree with convinient cherry-picking and careless emphasis predominant in the christian circle today However, I have not read the book or the full development of your argument but from the responses, I would fault some of your thought process. The Jerusalem council output you cited would likely argue agaisnt you by pointing out the fact that the earliest christians still brought forward some old testament laws and expected it's application while leaving out some. I felt it would have been better to evaluate the the possible guiding principle from which such extraction was done. I believe it was on perceived FUNCTIONAL importance which potentiates God's ever inclusive move while retianing the essense enshrined in His purpose. Jesus reflected a purpose-driven morality (a narrative utilitarian of some sorth) and the disciples moved in that train. The sexuality presented by the traditinal christian narrative was designed to be functional... Jesus' response to divorce (and other issues suggests this) illustrated this. We have to think through this issue likewise I would argue that other laws that were written in closer association to homosexuality should also receive equal acceptation...this includes incest, if we blindly go this way. Paul's argument of celibacy as "better" seems very understood in it's passionate context and did not show a protracted course of argument for it (just a perceived comparative advantage) I think the biblical theology of the levetical passage has not been well done and hence the systematic theology suffered. I think the weight of the entire story of sexuality in the scriptures casts some restraint to a normalisation of LGBTQ however, it would frown at the evangelical militant approach against it. What is the framework of Chrisitan morality?? How do we derive them and how do we "enforce" them?? I think we can like Jesus did. I am not saying it will be easy... We will have this conversations again and again... I may come to same conclusions but the argument does not blur a line (which is still fair) but rather impacts on the fundamental premises on which we can build further meaningful discussions on subjects of morality. God has progressively revealed Himself, but we can at least chart a course of it... From here, we might be taking a leap in the the abyss...and we can't trace our path any longer. We are a part of a bigger narrative and we have a history...a family tree. Jesus Christ, descended from David, raised from the dead : Jesus the annointed, a man of traceable history, the launcher of the New Creation... THAT'S THE GOSPEL!
@timmatteson3959
@timmatteson3959 Ай бұрын
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