343 is NOT listening - Halo Infinite Mouse and Keyboard community is DEAD

[@Archi2g]

Negative aim assist on the M&KB hipfire sniper needs to go, it's whack. Imagine a precision weapon in a first person shooter not hitting where you aim. Absurd. I don't want the aim assist nerfed, I just want 343 to stop taking control of my mouse (the melee lunge or hammer strike can literally 180 your view with you having no control over the game inputs).

[@korevirus547]

The sniper has a bloom on each shot without ads-ing. not really a negative aa as some data from anchor9 have found

[@cocopuffz604]

Maybe I missed that in the video. Is that why I get turned around my some fwd facing melee and have to turn around again to find my enemy??? That doesn't happen to controller players??? I lose sooo many of those 1v1 that way. It always seems like they get hit and keep track of me while I'm all over the place.

[@Archi2g]

@@cocopuffz604 the lunge locks on to the spine (or is supposed to), yes though, they move your aim which exposes your hit box and allows for a backslap (instant death). I’ve got plenty of clips where I suddenly 180 and then get killed by the player I hit first. I’ve only seen this on m&kb. It’s the worst.

[@HaloDaycare]

To be clear: NO, 343 probably should not nerf aim assist. There are two sides of this story and I posted the FULL story here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eGXLloach9R5lbs ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This video is a compilation from both KBM and controller players who would like a higher skill gap. At the very least, it's not wrong to ask for things to be made fair if it can be done. This is not an easy thing to balance two inputs such as roller vs kbm and I understand that I DON'T understand. I'm not a developer. Before you think I'm anti aim assist or anti controller, please watch the link posted above. I'm trying to spread awareness on the issue as everyone who was in the kbm community has given up. Either forced to play an input they don't want to or they uninstalled the game. They will come back if things can be made FAIR 343, please do something

[@NotSoCommonSense]

Great vid. I warned people about this during the flights and nothing was ever done even still

[@HaloDaycare]

You 100% did and I appreciate your efforts to warn the community

[@ZybakTV]

1:09 who's that handsome man?

[@HaloDaycare]

Thank you for being cool about me using your clip. I didn't even ask lol

[@SpecialNeedsMuffin]

I love how they specifically made the PC version to not have red reticle range as some sort of psuedo nerf for controllers only for it to negatively effect M&KB considering controller still gets this ridiculous aim assist

[@HaloDaycare]

LOL that aa is nutty bro

[@Niknokinater]

Let's not even mention negative aim assist for kbm on snipers omegalel

[@korevirus547]

Technically that isn't correct

[@HaloDaycare]

That was my bad. Not true

[@The_Saklar]

I haven't been able to queue KB/M solo/duo since July. Sadge

[@adan507]

Is like starting to play a racing game with your wheel and realizing people playing with their mobile phone input laping 5 seconds quicker than you. You complain that maybe that is too much assist as they do unhuman performance and all the mobile phone comunity saying "nah all good bro, always has been like that. THere is still a skill gap".

[@HaloDaycare]

Not sure what you mean, elaborate please

[@adan507]

@@HaloDaycare Now make the jump from racing game to shooter game on your own and see if you find any possible game match

[@evanshipley4183]

Honestly I don't see any changes coming any time soon if ever because most of the mnk players have left already and they showed they didn't care about mnk from the start

[@HaloDaycare]

Don't give up hope though. I'm scared they are going to manage this issue poorly and go about it the wrong way and maybe over correct and nerf aim assist too much

[@evanshipley4183]

@@HaloDaycare true but I wouldn't mind even if it was a little bit to have the edge over controller just so they know how it feels but ultimately I think controller should have a little bit of an edge because mnk has a higher skill ceiling

[@anonymous7564]

I have to be blunt with you before I even watch this video. It's not that "343 is not listening". It's that 343 cannot listen because then they'll get blamed for "making Halo too competitive" (Because it doesn't benefit someone who is bad at the game who is a content creator on KZbin at Halo). Not to target a specific person, becasue most of them are very, very bad at Halo...which is why they advocate for Halo, the Xbox's Counterstrike (not freaking Mario party) to be "a party game" instead of an Arena FPS (You know, what Halo CE, 2 and 3 were...Arena FPS games with a focus on competitive matchmaking). That out of the way. What you're asking for was asked by everyone in November - January before people stopped playing: - Competitive integrity and balance to be put back into the game - Competitive matchmaking options - Competitive balance between inputs - Game Stability and server stability with region limitations so that you cannot have "high ping" on a concurrent occasion The unfortunate problem with this is simply that when someone says "competitive", that guy from KZbin who wants to make steamy 'love" with the Halo 4 Cortana glows red and gathers 4,000 bots with him to attack 343 for "making a game made for pro players", despite "competitive" being the entire purpose as to why anyone, ever, plays any FPS in the modern market...and why people even played Halo 2 or Halo 3. Those titles in particular featured a heavily balanced array of weapons that effectively set the players expectations for what is the best utility to use in the scenario -- If you had skill, the precision weapons were always the best, but without that fundamental "skill", you were left with weapons that had a higher TTK. Meanwhile, Halo Infinite has this fundamental concept of balance, but it lacks in it across the entire game. It increase controller assists per "flight test critical feedback" from die-hard creators on KZbin who "were forerunners and couldn't get a few kills" (Despite having a year and a half experience over the enemies). Moreover, the inabiilty for 343 to patch various stability issues and concurrent frame timing issues (with performance itself being in question) is a detrimental part to this equation. All of which are limited to the simple notion: If and when 343 puts "balance" back at the top of the equation, it'll create a lot of "how dare they" in the Halo Community. By consequence, tens of thousands (potentially far more) would flock back to Halo Infinite after realizing the gameplay is more difficult and the progression is rewarding (skill based like Halo 2 and 3, rather than "just play and gain armor lol" like Halo Reach and 4). All in all, 343's newest leadership shakeup pushed forward two key components to making this balance occur (Sean Baron & Pierre Hintze), however it's a bit off in timeline due to the "promises" Staten kept throwing on the table. Hopefully they decided to just say "Screw the promises" and delay useless features, like a custom server browser (arbitrary inclusion when the game has matchmaking...you know, the thing Halo pioneered to the forefront of modern gaming that the Halo Community wants Halo to not have), and to push forward meaningful content pushes with balance and performance updates and competitive maps and playlists.

[@anonymous7564]

As for balancing and "how to solve". 343 knows the solution already; It's bringing the floor of the keyboard and mouse up to the floor of the controller. They can "nerf" some aspects on controller, such as the BR assists (To where they were during the Flights), but the fundamental "nerfing" isn't remotely going to happen. Instead, and 343 knows this, they need to "elevate" the keyboard and mouse and provide some assistance to that peripheral platform to provide a level playing field at the floor. Be it with scalable bullets, or increasing magnetism on just that peripheral, it's specific that the true nature is to "up" the keyboard and mouse, not "lower" controller.

[@HaloDaycare]

Dude, Cortana is smoking bro. The disrespect

[@HaloDaycare]

@@anonymous7564 Based on everything you wrote, I have an idea of who you are

[@Nifty_Noob]

CAN I JUST TELL YOU HOW MUCH I LOVE THIS VIDEO as a MNK player who has played since day 1 and has played halo for 17 years on and off. MNK for 10. i approve this message. NERF AIM ASSIST, MAKE THE INPUTS BALANCED

[@EXPKTNO]

1:31 Holy shit I didn't know controllers had that much assist. Thats insane M/K player over here :( haha we getting left in the dust

[@HaloDaycare]

You didn't see anything. Just pretend it doesn't exist lol

[@NZgoblin]

im watching all ur vids very well done

[@minhnguyen5888]

It's not just aim assist, PC players also lack the red reticle which bring a lot of advantages to console players. An easy fix is to boost the bullet magnetism on PC and add red reticle to it so it will help with the tiny hitbox for MnK players and not nerfing controller. They simply just don't want to do it.

[@HaloDaycare]

I heard red reticle isn't a thing because of perrhaps an issue with anti cheat? Don't quote me on that

[@minhnguyen5888]

@@HaloDaycare Nah It's just their excuse, people hacked anyways when the game first came out, if they actually have a proper working anti cheat (which they straight up lied that they have one) they don't need to worry about red reticle. Moreover the population is so low that all cheaters left.

[@cocopuffz604]

I'm actually so new to Halo, I've never played it on anything other than PC... I'm like "what's a red reticle?" Didn't even know that was previously a thing. Does it help that much? I'm on MnK and definitely get frustrated with how AA with the fast strafe makes head to head with a controller player sweaty AF. I've had to adjust my style of play...rarely take on 1vs1. Still... this game is too fun to stop...

[@HaloDaycare]

Don't give up. I've got some stuff coming you way that will help you 100% and welcome by the way

[@frenchy7523]

I love you Mike. ❤️

[@HaloDaycare]

love you too, brozo

[@akaneki7234]

literally all they had to do was keep the Aim Assist the way it was in previous titles...

[@CMTechnica]

Literally all they had to do was not force cross play. Wouldn’t be in the mess otherwise

[@HaloDaycare]

I actually agree with this. However, aim assist in H3 (MCC) is really not strong at all IMHO. This is a very good thing because it increases the skill gap but I will admit KBM seems to have an upperhand in H3. This is not objective, just my opinion.

[@HaloDaycare]

True dat

[@akaneki7234]

@@HaloDaycare I don’t think H3 AA is any different from Reach which I think has the perfect aim assist, H3 just feels weaker because nothing was hitscan except the Spartan Laser and Beam rifle. Edit: Infinite BR being a hitscan weapon along with its resetting recoil is probably the worst thing about Infinite AA which feels terrible for both mnk and controller

[@akaneki7234]

@@HaloDaycare Sorry to link, but this video breaks down why aiming in infinite is so bad really well m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/lYbSgIRtpJqMn9k Really good vid if you’re interested

[@imbeast90]

Hey not to mention for console players who play m&k, we can’t use our mouse to navigate menus

[@HaloDaycare]

I noticed that too. Shout out to you if you manage to somehow deal with that input lag tho. That was a frustrating experience to even test

[@clutchhaze1036]

Great vid bro

[@HaloDaycare]

Thank you, Clutch. This just sucks though, honestly

[@itzarcade5141]

Did you buy MWII?

[@HaloDaycare]

Did you? I'm on the fence😿

[@itzarcade5141]

@@HaloDaycare i am getting it

[@NotThrilling.]

Nice vids g

[@HaloDaycare]

thank you! did you say you're getting mw2?

[@NotThrilling.]

@@HaloDaycare no

[@nagiaoe2434]

It's been dead from the start, the aim assist is just that strong Doesn't help that we have forced mouse acceleration

[@HaloDaycare]

Yo. I like your pfp! The new cortana is actually super pretty, I have no idea why everyone has been hating bro

[@MonocleMAYHEM18]

I kinda covered this on one of my recent video's something must be done by 343 and fast. It's unfair that mnk players aren't being equally supported.

[@HaloDaycare]

I checked out your mw video, thanks for the comment

[@MonocleMAYHEM18]

@@HaloDaycare Hey thanks. And no problem. I subscribed. Interested in seeing more of your content my man 👌

[@jackcolson4745]

Snip3down's take is correct.

[@HaloDaycare]

A LOT of people were mad he said that. You should've heard what he said about controller players. I almost included it but it was derogatory and I couldn't be having that. It went a little far IMHO. I love snipedown though

[@markaword1561]

I just got a suggestion to watch this now lol

[@HaloDaycare]

dont be stressed out at work mark, it changes nothing

[@markaword1561]

@@HaloDaycare hold on, let me go flip the stressed out switch off 😂

[@HaloDaycare]

@@markaword1561 grace told me to tell you ssomething

[@markaword1561]

@@HaloDaycare lol ok, whats up?

[@markaword1561]

@@HaloDaycare ??

[@youtubeaccount6872]

Mouse and key is op the movement is insane so easy to ninja people and turn on them why is there so many mouse aimers crying I mean just practice dude ?

[@HaloDaycare]

I respect that. The unfortunate reality is that there is actual data proving KBM is at a disadvantage. Nickmercs is quoted by saying "if controller was so broken, they'd all be on it." Thats exactly what happened. All my friends were forced to use a controller because they needed to stay competitive. Not one single friend of mine is still on KBM. That speaks volumes about the current state of affairs. I'm not necessarily targeting aim assist. Snipedown said it best that average and below average players need the aim assist. Nerfing AA would hurt the not so great players the most. It's just an unfortunate predicament. As far as just getting gud. I would encourage you to try and get as close to onyx rank on KBM if you can. You'll notice onyx level players hardly ever miss. It's simply not human to aim like that

[@nashwalker7]

Really dont give a damn about summit 1g's opinion on halo

[@HaloDaycare]

I understand. It's not really about Summit as much as it is about fairness. It's never wrong to try and make things fair if it can be done

[@nashwalker7]

@@HaloDaycare I hear you but halo is just a controller game, they need aim assist because all of the players who really need it would quit. There are always going to be games that prefer either input. Halo’s style of shooting is 4 to 5 steady shots with a br. Its just better with a controller. If it were a fast twitch/flick style of play like cs go or valorant then mkb would have the advantage. The reason I grow so tired of summit is that he has a mass following and blames everything on aim assist. I haven’t played on controller in warzone for almost two years. I picked it up the other day and sucked so bad. Aim assist did nothing for me. Of course I could spend more time and be right where I was but I prefer mkb. All of these mkb players said that controller players didn’t stand a chance before cross play took over. And now they have to realize that it was really just their elitism to begin with. I enjoy them both and am good at both. It’s a rant I know. Sorry.

[@HaloDaycare]

@@nashwalker7 All good. I spent nearly 2 decades on a controller so maybe it's my prior experience but I hadn't used a controller in 6 months and doubled my kills on rebirth. It did take me two games but I thought that was crazy. I believe (even still) in Cod that KBM has the upper hand though. Controller is a skill you need to learn. As far as the elitism is concerned, I made a video precisely on that. It's a few uploads prior to this video if you want to check it out. It's actually the "other side" of the story thats is in contrast to this video. You'll probably appreciate it if you havent' seen it Thanks for your comments

[@nashwalker7]

@@HaloDaycare oh awesome ya I will check it out. Ya 20 plus on controller as well but with halo. Didn’t really play cod until warzone. It doesn’t take me anytime to warm up with halo 😇 n controller. I got a perfection 17-0 in ranked doubles and I haven’t played in forever. I

[@tartarold]

Halo is made for controllers not a slab and a hockey puck

[@HaloDaycare]

LOL true

[@FelipeNiclvs.]

*mic drop*

[@HaloDaycare]

ily

[@xAUSTIN316x]

We don't need mouse and keyboard get good

[@HaloDaycare]

LOL, I respect it

[@xAUSTIN316x]

@@HaloDaycare ppl use mouse and keyboard cause they want a unfair advantage and suck

[@EvilNeonETC]

Jokes on you guys, that aim-assist makes rocket shots miss more often than not 😎

[@HaloDaycare]

?

[@amesomist]

Look, pc player have all the help (cheats) and advantages (frame rate, hrtz, etc) they need. Against average player mkb is superior in every way. Stop crying, install more cheats or get better.

[@HaloDaycare]

I dropped 30 and 10 on controller when I don't even play controller anymore. You could consider aim assist a form of cheating. Check out the game here. By the way, all the players were onyx or diamond level players. halotracker.com/halo-infinite/match/653fb55a-9d24-411f-b48d-25135a925415

[@SquishMe]

is DEAD*

[@HaloDaycare]

Will update the title, thanks